Heroes Season 3 CAUTION SPOILERS

[jpmittins]

NOTE: In case you did not get it from the title of the thread, THERE ARE SPOILERS HERE! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!

So, the third season of Heroes comes out in a little over a week, here's a link to view the trailer if anyone is interested (I know I am!). I think this season looks even better than the first one, I just hope it will draw me in as much as the first one did. So, voice your opinions of how it looks, or any speculations as to what will happen. Personally, I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think a lot of cool powers will be revealed and since Sylar got his powers back, we'll see him kick some more ass again (he's one of my favorite villains, not just for Heroes, but in general).

P.S. As always, 10 awesome points will be rewarded to the first person who tells me who said this and where.

"I'm sorry. This is the fun-vee. The hum-drum-vee is back there."

[swiftaw]

"I'm sorry. This is the fun-vee. The hum-drum-vee is back there."

Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr) in Iron Man

[iwuzbord]

im super excited!!!

i think that theyre going to spotlight the company and the other villains of the series. that includes the people a part of it, and the people wanting to bring it down. i think that not only will skylar be a huge part of it, but also maya, and adam,bob, and i think they might go into more about the origins of the shanti virus

[jpmittins]

Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr) in Iron Man

10 awesome points for you, good sir or ma'am.

im super excited!!!

i think that theyre going to spotlight the company and the other villains of the series. that includes the people a part of it, and the people wanting to bring it down. i think that not only will skylar be a huge part of it, but also maya, and adam,bob, and i think they might go into more about the origins of the shanti virus

Not to be nitpicky, but it's Sylar not Skylar. I really hope Maya is not big this season, I didn't really like her. I much preferred her brother, only he's dead now. It would be cool to learn the backstory on some of the concepts in the show, like the Shanti virus, along with the characters, like the original members of the Company (and what they could do/did! Gah, I want to know what their powers are so badly!)

[luckygyrl83]

I hope Heroes does really well this Monday. It seems that the Emmys and stupid Dancing with the Stars. I am so excited!!!!!

[Motley]

I'm considering not even watching after the crap that was last season.

[Raid]

Oh yeah Heroes is starting again! ... the writers strike kind of made the second season a little too brief and they might have lost viewers over that. Unfortunately I think Heroes (and Lost for that matter) will have to prove themselves all over again to many viewers, both these shows have had timing issues between episodes/seasons that have eroded the fan base. Too bad because they both hold so much potential.

[jpmittins]

I'm considering not even watching after the crap that was last season.

It wasn't crap; see below post.

Oh yeah Heroes is starting again! ... the writers strike kind of made the second season a little too brief and they might have lost viewers over that. Unfortunately I think Heroes (and Lost for that matter) will have to prove themselves all over again to many viewers, both these shows have had timing issues between episodes/seasons that have eroded the fan base. Too bad because they both hold so much potential.

I really agree. I know the second season was nowhere near as good as the first one and that was due to the writer's strike. Hopefully, now that there are writers and stuff, we'll see the best drama/serial/superhero show ever made.

[jpmittins]

Season Three starts Monday, everyone...I just don't know, does it start at 8:00 PM Eastern on NBC or 9:00 PM Eastern on NBC? I know there's a weird schedule for Monday's episode, given the fact that it's the season premier.

[timerollson]

The season has gotten off to a great start.

I'm kind of annoyed they brought back Nikki. Hopefully, her annoying little son and that New Orleans storyline is finished. It was awful.

[Randman]

I loved S1. hated S2 and stopped watching the before it was over so I watched last night with a little trepidation but I enjoyed the heck out of it. Looks like the writers went out of the way to make up for S2. Not sure about BrundleMohinder but overall, I was quite happy. Welcome back.

[bbbensen]

I havent read the thread in fear of spoilers, but its amazing.

The first episode is almost over. Cant wait for the rest of the season! :p

EDIT: Finished it. Oh My God. It was fantastic.

Best show ever.

[angelneo]

Do I have to go through S2 to understand the new season? I watched season 1 but not really looking forward to viewing season 2.

[Chundles]

So what happened? Anyone want to do a lightning summary?

[pilotError]

Nathan Pitrelli's speech causes a backlash against the "Special" folks
Peter goes back in time to stop it from happening by killing Nathan.
We find out later that it's not really Peter but someone else in his body

Claire is visited by Sylar and he takes her powers. He also tells her that she is special and can never die. We finally find out that he looks at their brains to get the powers. Pretty funny scene where she asks if he's going to eat it and he replies "That's disgusting"...

Maya asks Mohindar to help her. He has a Eureka moment and figures out that the pituitary gland generates the enzyme that causes the Heroes to be special. He is able to extract it from Maya and ultimately injects himself. He now has super strength, but its obvious that it's not right by the second episode.

Nikki is back with a new personality and is discovered by a reporter digging up the dirt. She freezes him (that's new) and he dies. She's an assistant / sleeping with the governor of NY and looking to recruit Nathan to the Senate? Not really sure if she knows who she really is or not. Hint's of her old personality seemed to creep in there when she killed the reporter.

Sorry this is so disjointed, but I'm in the speed round here ;)

Nathan gets shot and dies on the table, but is brought back by the Bad? Peter (Not really clear that he did bring him back). Nathan claims to have found God and is now supposedly doing his bidding.

Matt was at the press conference when Nathan was shot. He later finds the gun that Bad Peter stashed away and confronts him (not knowing it was bad Peter) and gets sent to the African Desert. Ultimately another person finds him before he perishes in the desert and it turns out this guy paints things too.

Sylar goes to Level 5 in the old paper factory to grab up all the powers of the most powerful villains they have locked in there. He kills Elle's Dad and run's into Elle down in level 5. He tries to get her powers and she unleashes a lightning bolt on his butt...

The surge knocks out power and all the bad guys escape (including good Peter who is stuck in someone else's body).

The big surprise comes when Nathan's mother tells Sylar (now captured) that she is his mother.

Hiro was given half of a formula left to him by his father. He tells him to never open the safe that it is stored in, but curiosity gets the best of him and he opens it to see what's inside. A young woman with super speed snatches it and is impervious to his time stopping abilities. They chase her to get the formula back (Hiro and Ando). At one point Hiro goes into the future to see if the missing Formula has any affect and sees Ando killing him (Hiro) in the future.

I think that about covers it. :D

[7on]

They actually did two episodes last night. "Heroes: to be continued.." And then "NOW" faded onto the screen. Epic.

Anyway, Spoilers! but since the thread title has it, I'm sure none would mind.

Peter from the future comes back and shoots Nathan. Nathan is revived by the Ghost of Linderman? I don't know if he's a ghost, but Nathan is the only one who can see him. Future Peter hides Current Peter in the body of a criminal(villain) being kept in the "Company".

Sylar steals Claire's ability, We see how he takes power - basically just runs his hands over the brain using his "clockmaker's" ability and figures out how it works and is able to just replicate the power. However, after getting Claire's ability he tells her she's special and can ever die.

Sylar kills Bob, try's to kill Bob's daughter but she "explodes" sending out a electric energy burst. Good for her, but bad in general because she accidentally frees all the criminals in the "Company" including Current Peter trapped in another's body (he doesn't have access to his own powers like this).

Future Peter gets all confused that this wasn't suppose to happen (he only went back in time to stop Nathan from revealing their powers and to keep them from being experimented on in the future, now his future is worse). Peter's mom is now the head of the "Company" with Bob's death. And she keeps telling Future Peter to go back where he came from (her power, we discover, is dreaming the future - as was Peter's first power in the 1st season - duhduhduuuuun!)

Niki is now Tracy somebody and has a freezing ability...?

Mohinder discovers that the trait is present in adrenaline and injects himself with the "crying" girl's isolate adenaline and gets super strength... but is becoming Jeff Goldbum from "The Fly"

Oh and Hiro gets this "secret" formula stolen from this girl who can move real fast. And he sees the future where everyone has powers and Ando "energy blasts him for the formula". SOoooo he treats Ando as someone who potentially kills him in the future.

Leave anything out?

[Raid]

I saw last night's episode and I think they were trying to do a "hard boot" after the truncated 2nd season. I will watch more, but I found all the references to the time gap between season 2 and the new season a bit annoying.

Did anyone else recognize the reporter that was hounding Nikki? The actors name is William Katt; I (and maybe some of you) might remember a show he did in the 80's "The Greatest American Hero" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081871/) having him on the show made me smile. :)

[Tilpots]

Niki is now Tracy somebody and has a freezing ability...?



I'm not so sure that Niki is Tracy. Especially given the freezing ability. Maybe Tracy is Jessica in real life, not trapped inside Niki? We definitely need more info on this.

[7on]

I'm not so sure that Niki is Tracy. Especially given the freezing ability. Maybe Tracy is Jessica in real life, not trapped inside Niki? We definitely need more info on this.

I think she just has multiple personality disorder and with each personality she gets a new power.

[Tilpots]

I think she just has multiple personality disorder and with each personality she gets a new power.

Certainly, you could be right. I did a little digging and here's some relevant info:

What the hell is Niki's power, anyway?
This had the execs a little touchy, but TV Guide got tons o' questions on the subject, so here goes: "We thought this was very clear on the air," Loeb says. "Niki's power is the same as her alternate personality Jessica's: unbelievable strength. They're the same person. Niki discovered her special ability through her split personality, but it was always her ability."

This was from an interview (http://www.tvguide.com/news/heroes-tim-kring/071107-01) with Tim Kring and Jeph Loeb in a November 7 issue of TV guide.


Jessica is the name of Niki Sanders's first alter to manifest; Jessica is also Niki's sister who died in 1987, possibly at the hands of their father.

This is from the Heroes Wiki (http://heroeswiki.com/Jessica).

Maybe they're adding a new element to her personality disorder, or maybe Tracy really is somebody else. We also saw the actress Ali Larter in Mrs. Patrelli's dream as one of the bad guys. Was this Niki, Jessica or Tracy? Or all they all the same?

[7on]

True. She did just lose her husband. And didn't something happen to her son? I forget.

Of a more interesting note, is Mohinder turning into the Uru?

[tinfai]

I really hope Maya is not big this season, I didn't really like her. I much preferred her brother, only he's dead now.


Agreed. Maya was one of the weaker and less interesting characters, IMO. I'm glad NBC is back on iTunes. Since the current season is not broadcast here in Asia, I can purchase the season pass of Heroes and watch each episode as they're released each week.

[luckygyrl83]

LOVED IT. LOVED IT. LOVED IT. I wanna go home right now, and look for everything I missed. It was worth staying up for.

Cant wait to see how Claire ended up at the dark side. I want Peter back on the good side. And Sylar, hmmmm, I think I like him better bad. LOL

[bradl]

Leave anything out?

How dare you leave out Kaito Nakamura's tape from his will, and Parkman and the turtle?!? Those two incidents alone were better than the slop they tried to pass off as 'jokes' from the Emmys! (and I didn't watch the Emmys, either!)

BL.

[timerollson]

I'm probably in the minority with this one, but I think Hiro is annoying as well as the introduction of quirky speedy girl.

I'd much rather the darker overtones of the other characters. Everytime they pan to the aforementioned, I'm just like UGH!

[7on]

I'm probably in the minority with this one, but I think Hiro is annoying as well as the introduction of quirky speedy girl.

I'd much rather the darker overtones of the other characters. Everytime they pan to the aforementioned, I'm just like UGH!

Yeah, doesn't seem up to season 1 quality. Oh well... hopefully it won't turn into The 4400

[iwuzbord]

Yeah, doesn't seem up to season 1 quality. Oh well... hopefully it won't turn into The 4400
I REMEMBER THAT SHOW!

it started so well, then it spiraled into insanity and stupidity.

as for the heroes premier, evertything was shocking.
i personally think that they changed mohinder's character very much. and the "crying girl" is maya. and they had a very odd experience, especially with that wierd stuff on his back afterwards.

and the fact that matt parkman is in africa with the guy who knew his name was really odd.

if you read the "interactive novels" that they have on the nbc heroes site, you learn alot of the backstory of some of the characters and less defined scenes.

and the fact that present peter is trapped in the body of one of the previous level 5 detainees is something that cant be overlooked. and the fact that mrs. Petrelli is the new leader to the company is going to make this season very interesting....

(excuse my grammatical errors and inconsistent train of thought)

[pilotError]

How dare you leave out Kaito Nakamura's tape from his will, and Parkman and the turtle?!? Those two incidents alone were better than the slop they tried to pass off as 'jokes' from the Emmys! (and I didn't watch the Emmys, either!)

BL.

Yeah I was in a hurry, I left a few things out, but hit the highlights...

That was great when Matt thought the Turtle was talking to him. :)

A little comic relief.

Isn't Micah still living with the Grandmother / Cousin (Monica) in New Orleans? It's odd they introduced Monica and Nana Dawson (don't be impressed I looked it up on Wikipedia ;) ), but didn't develop the characters any further?

With two members of the Original Star Trek series, how could you go wrong? LOL

I forgot this tidbit, but Niki was still in the building when it blew up. You never saw if she lived or not. Now this character appears this season.

[Dagless]

So far so good!

Liked the turtle and brain jokes, very well played :)

[furcalchick]

i watched the first two shows and i'm glad heroes is back. i was happy and a bit concerned about the first episode. but first, i'll get to your comments.

I really agree. I know the second season was nowhere near as good as the first one and that was due to the writer's strike. Hopefully, now that there are writers and stuff, we'll see the best drama/serial/superhero show ever made.

i think season 2 wasn't doing well, even without the strike. i think it was better off that it got cut short. hopefully this season is longer.

Claire is visited by Sylar and he takes her powers. He also tells her that she is special and can never die. We finally find out that he looks at their brains to get the powers. Pretty funny scene where she asks if he's going to eat it and he replies "That's disgusting"...

few things i want to note on that. first, how did sylar take away claire's ability to feel pain? is it some plot to have her as part of her gang? second, claire is too whimpy for someone that can't die. i hope she toughens up this season and fights instead of being emo and running away. third, why did sylar remove all the brains from the other people?

Maya asks Mohindar to help her. He has a Eureka moment and figures out that the pituitary gland generates the enzyme that causes the Heroes to be special. He is able to extract it from Maya and ultimately injects himself. He now has super strength, but its obvious that it's not right by the second episode.

i'm leaning towards more of a lizard bit (the spiderman villain).

Nikki is back with a new personality and is discovered by a reporter digging up the dirt. She freezes him (that's new) and he dies. She's an assistant / sleeping with the governor of NY and looking to recruit Nathan to the Senate? Not really sure if she knows who she really is or not. Hint's of her old personality seemed to creep in there when she killed the reporter.

i heard someone suggest that she's the real jessica that was supposedly killed. other than that, no clue.

The big surprise comes when Nathan's mother tells Sylar (now captured) that she is his mother.

i was a bit surprised, but wasn't completely caught off guard; i heard theories that this was possible.

Hiro was given half of a formula left to him by his father. He tells him to never open the safe that it is stored in, but curiosity gets the best of him and he opens it to see what's inside. A young woman with super speed snatches it and is impervious to his time stopping abilities. They chase her to get the formula back (Hiro and Ando). At one point Hiro goes into the future to see if the missing Formula has any affect and sees Ando killing him (Hiro) in the future.

i think this will be important later on, but kaito did mention that only the light can fix the world in chaos. i think that will be claire. and talking about that, i think claire may develop some more symptoms of sylar, like eventually not talking.

Isn't Micah still living with the Grandmother / Cousin (Monica) in New Orleans? It's odd they introduced Monica and Nana Dawson (don't be impressed I looked it up on Wikipedia ;) ), but didn't develop the characters any further?

i would like to know what happened to them as well...

another thing is that i think warrants debate...why is the evil guys fire blue, while claire's mom has a red one? i think it could be claire's mom has some issues she needs to deal with, and the bad guy is calm inside.

but here are my thoughts on the episode. i thought the storytelling was good, but i'm concerned about the increased level of graphic violence compared to the first two seasons. usually, that indicates that the writers are either low on ideas or a cry for ratings boost. i sure hope this isn't a sign that the show is going to the toilet.

[7on]

another thing is that i think warrants debate...why is the evil guys fire blue, while claire's mom has a red one? i think it could be claire's mom has some issues she needs to deal with, and the bad guy is calm inside.


Maybe the villian burns hotter than claire's mom?

[furcalchick]

Maybe the villian burns hotter than claire's mom?

i think so as well, but the idea of why it was blue is from another show i was watching (avatar), where azula, daughter of the main antagonist and herself being somewhat of a nut, produced blue flames unlike all of the other firebenders on the show that was always red-orange flames. azula was a firebending prodigy, always calm and wasn't wrestling with herself like her brother was, which i think is the reason her fire burns blue.

i'm thinking the same or similar concept applies here. i'm thinking that merdith has some issues inside of her she needs to deal with, and our new villain (flint) does not.

and one more thing, i want to see an actual fight this season.

[bradl]

i think so as well, but the idea of why it was blue is from another show i was watching (avatar), where azula, daughter of the main antagonist and herself being somewhat of a nut, produced blue flames unlike all of the other firebenders on the show that was always red-orange flames. azula was a firebending prodigy, always calm and wasn't wrestling with herself like her brother was, which i think is the reason her fire burns blue.

i'm thinking the same or similar concept applies here. i'm thinking that merdith has some issues inside of her she needs to deal with, and our new villain (flint) does not.

and one more thing, i want to see an actual fight this season.

How about just using plain old proven science? Like with Bunsen burners, blue fire is hotter than yellow/red fire because of a much more complete burning of fuel and using oxygen.. As far as what the 'fuel' is, your guess is as good as mine..

DISCLAIMER: I'm going off a 20 year old memory here. Science was one of my worst subjects.

BL.

[Dagless]

One thing though - I didn't like Suresh getting powers. He was the most stable character on the show and seems too important, what with his narration role too. He's the story teller in a way. He's the catalyst for other folks events. Not Superman.

Also, I asked this during the first series but do we know what Noah's power is yet? I think it's clear he's going to be given one or has had one from the start (like that alchemy/glasses guy).

[bradl]

One thing though - I didn't like Suresh getting powers. He was the most stable character on the show and seems too important, what with his narration role too. He's the story teller in a way. He's the catalyst for other folks events. Not Superman.

Also, I asked this during the first series but do we know what Noah's power is yet? I think it's clear he's going to be given one or has had one from the start (like that alchemy/glasses guy).

Noah inherently has Claire's powers, as after Mohinder shot him in the eye (ouch!), he gave Noah a transfusion of Claire's blood.

BL.

[Dagless]

Ah of course, silly me for forgetting :o
After seeing that bout of ninja action he gave his 'boss' in that photocopy shop I always figured his powers were combat and/or superstrength.

[furcalchick]

Ah of course, silly me for forgetting :o
After seeing that bout of ninja action he gave his 'boss' in that photocopy shop I always figured his powers were combat and/or superstrength.

i always figured that he had no powers and is the show's batman in a way, just well skilled and trained and smart.

[jpmittins]

I'm kind of pissed Mohinder has a power now too, I really liked that all he ever had was his science and a gun. However, I really hope that Noah doesn't get a power and that he remains "normal"; like someone said, he's the shows Batman; his only powers are how skilled he is at normal person things, like fighting. I can't wait to see what happens later on in the season though, especially with the escaped villains and the invisible Linderman. What's up with that, anyway? He must be alive, seeing as he healed Nathan, but why can't anyone see him? When I saw it, I was thinking (CAUTION: SPOILER FOR VARIOUS MOVIES) "Wow, that's just like in the Sixth Sense when you find out Bruce Willis is a ghost, or when in Fight Club you find out Tyler is not real (or when you find out John Nash's roommate in A Beautiful Mind is a figment of his imagination). Super cool.

[bradl]

I'm kind of pissed Mohinder has a power now too, I really liked that all he ever had was his science and a gun. However, I really hope that Noah doesn't get a power and that he remains "normal"; like someone said, he's the shows Batman; his only powers are how skilled he is at normal person things, like fighting. I can't wait to see what happens later on in the season though, especially with the escaped villains and the invisible Linderman. What's up with that, anyway? He must be alive, seeing as he healed Nathan,


This is kinda what I don't know, and is up for major speculation. Did Linderman heal Nathan, or did Nathan heal himself? He had done it once before in the 2nd season, and I want to say Claire's blood was involved then too..

BL.

[jpmittins]

This is kinda what I don't know, and is up for major speculation. Did Linderman heal Nathan, or did Nathan heal himself? He had done it once before in the 2nd season, and I want to say Claire's blood was involved then too..

BL.

Well, no, that's not what happened. It was Adam Monroe's blood that healed Nathan and I always thought that was just a one time thing. I could be wrong though. Who knows.

[pilotError]

why did sylar remove all the brains from the other people?

I don't think he took their brains, just removed the top of the skull.

One thing though - I didn't like Suresh getting powers. He was the most stable character on the show and seems too important, what with his narration role too.

During Suresh's little narrative, he mentions a beast with the body of a lion headed toward Bethlehem??? (Jerusalem???). At the end, we see him pulling his skin off, which would seem more lizard like, but maybe this is some sort of transformation in an X-Men sort of way.

Is this headed toward a biblical ending where they are scattered, starting with Matt in Africa, heading toward the birthplace of Christianity?

[7on]

I don't think he took their brains, just removed the top of the skull.



During Suresh's little narrative, he mentions a beast with the body of a lion headed toward Bethlehem??? (Jerusalem???). At the end, we see him pulling his skin off, which would seem more lizard like, but maybe this is some sort of transformation in an X-Men sort of way.

Is this headed toward a biblical ending where they are scattered, starting with Matt in Africa, heading toward the birthplace of Christianity?

The brains were removed, but he might have done that so noone else would get the power. But since the power resides in the adrenal glands... then Claire's body would still have adrenaline in it to prevent her from dying (enough to grow her brain back after removal). I liked how Sylar's stealing powers relates to his first ability (though I don't know why he's still telekinetic and lost the other powers, he should only have his clockmaker's power).

This season did intro some plot holes I admit, but it is getting interesting. And I do hate that the cast is so big and spread out over the USA/World.

http://io9.com/5053450/heroes-why-dont-we-do-it-in-the-lab

[TheAnswer]

I don't think he took their brains, just removed the top of the skull.

The brains were removed, but he might have done that so noone else would get the power.

I think he's just getting better at using his power. Imagine how many clocks must get ********* up when an apprentice is learning to fix them.

[maccompaq]

I thought season 1 was great, season 2 was awful, and I stopped watching it midway. I will not watch it again!

[Dagless]

I thought season 1 was great, season 2 was awful, and I stopped watching it midway. I will not watch it again!

Congrats! All you're doing is missing out on a show on par with series 1 (so far).

[thunderclap]

I found season three is starting off better than season 2 but way below season 1. The thing I don't like is how they are changing EVERY CHARACTER and they are doing things that are illogical. I'll give it a few more episodes but I think I'm done with Heroes.

[iwuzbord]

Well, no, that's not what happened. It was Adam Monroe's blood that healed Nathan and I always thought that was just a one time thing. I could be wrong though. Who knows.

well, im no expert, but i dont think linderman was the one who cured nathan. linderman was just a figment of nathan's imagination. linderman is dead at this point. i actually think that future peter may have healed nathan. he might have absorbed future claires power.
im not exactly sure either though.

i do want to know what you guys think about nikki, i mean, tracy strauss?
is it another manifested alter ego of nikki or what?

[archi17]

That Jesse guy that is "really dangerous" can produce destructive sound waves. You can see that when you pause the video when Noah and claire are going through the escapees on the computer.

I wonder if Noah has a power? because only people with powers seem to work for the company.

Also What is up with Claire? I believe that she will get extra powers, because she asks Peter to help her to use her powers to protect her. And when Sylar is going through her brain he tells her that she is unlike anybody else and there is so much about herself that she doesn't understand.

And what is the go with the dream that Angela has when Claire gets her head cut off and all that... Because Sylar comes up behind her and puts his hand on her shoulder, but not a "I'm going to kill you" kind of shoulder grab, but a kind of "I'm here to help" Shoulder grab (lol that sounds ridiculous). But Her and Sylar are standing opposite the other bad people, kinda like us V's them, so maybe Sylar turns kinda good after finding out that Angela is his mom?

Ah I love heroes if you couldn't tell!

[furcalchick]

I wonder if Noah has a power? because only people with powers seem to work for the company.

we talked about noah's status a few posts ago. and you don't have to have powers to work for the company, watch company man from season one. a flashback in that episode states that they team up normal people with powered people in 'bag and tag' missions, among other shady things.

Also What is up with Claire? I believe that she will get extra powers, because she asks Peter to help her to use her powers to protect her. And when Sylar is going through her brain he tells her that she is unlike anybody else and there is so much about herself that she doesn't understand.

i think claire needs to stop being emo and actually start fighting with weapons and doing dangerous stunts to help people. she can't die, why do you need protection? it's time she helped herself. and anyway, i don't expect her to get any extra powers, that goes against the show's philosophy of 'one power'. what i think it means is that she is going to end up saving the world again as that light to stop the formula.

And what is the go with the dream that Angela has when Claire gets her head cut off and all that... Because Sylar comes up behind her and puts his hand on her shoulder, but not a "I'm going to kill you" kind of shoulder grab, but a kind of "I'm here to help" Shoulder grab (lol that sounds ridiculous). But Her and Sylar are standing opposite the other bad people, kinda like us V's them, so maybe Sylar turns kinda good after finding out that Angela is his mom?

good luck on that (sylar turning good). i think angela is very shady, along with most people in that company of hers. and sylar's a nut, of course he's going to have crazy looks. i think there are going to be two factions of bad guys here, the company and everyone else.

[jpmittins]

Well, I just saw the episode from tonight. Damn, but that was good. I can't wait for next week; the promo where is was showing a "new part of Sylar" and he hugged Peter was hilarious. "If I had known you were coming, I would have made extra!" Only thing; Hiro and Ando in Level 5? So annoying, shouldn't the company know who they are? I mean, Kaito was part of the company for years.

[alphaod]

Mohinder's scales are weird.

[Khryz]

I'm sure they're keeping Hiro in Level 5 because possibly Ms. Petrelli wanted the formula from Kaito for herself, and thinks Hiro might spoil her plans.

[comictimes]

I've got to say, as much of a douche as Sylar has been for killing people and all... he's pretty awesome. I'm liking him more and more as the series goes on, and not just this season...

[luckygyrl83]

I thought season 1 was great, season 2 was awful, and I stopped watching it midway. I will not watch it again!

Haha you are missing out!!!!

[TheAnswer]

I watched the first part of the season premiere and fell asleep during the second. I just caught up on hulu and I think I'm hooked again, at least for a while.

[Tilpots]

Finally got more info about Tracy. Seems she's not Niki after all. Now we just gotta figure out who this Dr. Zimmerman is and why/how he "created" her.

This also leaves open the possiblity that there's more of these girls out there, we already know of three: Niki, Jessica and now Tracy, so who's to say there's not more?

[furcalchick]

Finally got more info about Tracy. Seems she's not Niki after all. Now we just gotta figure out who this Dr. Zimmerman is and why/how he "created" her.

This also leaves open the possiblity that there's more of these girls out there, we already know of three: Niki, Jessica and now Tracy, so who's to say there's not more?

probably a mad scientist that made replicas. likely linked to the formula in some way giving these girls a power.

and the writers are getting sloppy, how did claire's mom not suffocate while claire did with the fire? and i want a good fight by the end of the season please.

[mouchoir]

and the writers are getting sloppy, how did claire's mom not suffocate while claire did with the fire? and i want a good fight by the end of the season please.

Two possible explanations:
She is telling Claire about water boarding, and that your brain thinks you are suffocating but you really aren't i.e. it is only in Claire's head.

Or, part of Claire's mother's power is that she doesn't need as much oxygen! Which would be handy if your power is making fire...

[jpmittins]

Two possible explanations:
She is telling Claire about water boarding, and that your brain thinks you are suffocating but you really aren't i.e. it is only in Claire's head.

Or, part of Claire's mother's power is that she doesn't need as much oxygen! Which would be handy if your power is making fire...

I have to agree; if Claire's mom doesn't get burned from her fire, it would make sense for her to not need oxygen either. Kind of like how some of the other character's powers don't affect them (like how the Haitian blocks everyone's powers except his own).

[furcalchick]

Two possible explanations:
She is telling Claire about water boarding, and that your brain thinks you are suffocating but you really aren't i.e. it is only in Claire's head.

Or, part of Claire's mother's power is that she doesn't need as much oxygen! Which would be handy if your power is making fire...

I have to agree; if Claire's mom doesn't get burned from her fire, it would make sense for her to not need oxygen either. Kind of like how some of the other character's powers don't affect them (like how the Haitian blocks everyone's powers except his own).

i'm hoping it's just in claire's head and not the latter explanation, because it sounds like a copout. i've seen other people with fire powers on other shows, and they all needed normal amounts of oxygen to breathe and make fire, otherwise they couldn't make fire and/or suffocate.

[Dagless]

I have to agree; if Claire's mom doesn't get burned from her fire, it would make sense for her to not need oxygen either. Kind of like how some of the other character's powers don't affect them (like how the Haitian blocks everyone's powers except his own).

Surely if she makes fire then she'd need more oxygen than a normal person?

Anyroad. Good ep. Bit of a let down with Peter - was looking forward to seeing a glimpse into the Hero's future :o . Didn't like that guys paintings though. Yea that first psychic artist worked, but a geezer in Africa painting comic book style? No. Surely the images would be more tribal based using ocra based colours and such?
But his voice. Damn that's soothing.

I can imagine this Zimmerman story being something like Eevee (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Eeveelutions).

[jpmittins]

Finally got more info about Tracy. Seems she's not Niki after all. Now we just gotta figure out who this Dr. Zimmerman is and why/how he "created" her.

This also leaves open the possiblity that there's more of these girls out there, we already know of three: Niki, Jessica and now Tracy, so who's to say there's not more?

Well, Jessica was Niki's sister, not her. However, there might be a bunch more of them running around out there; I doubt that though, it seems too implausible.

[iwuzbord]

I've got to say, as much of a douche as Sylar has been for killing people and all... he's pretty awesome. I'm liking him more and more as the series goes on, and not just this season...

i agree. i'm definately starting to love skylar as a character. he's really interesting and has many more elements to his personality than i first thought.

when it comes to nikki however, i miss her as a character. i dont think tracy strauss can fill the void that nikki left in the cast.:(

but dr. zimmerman is going to be an interesting character. i bet he has a cloning ability or what not. and the fact that tracy and nikki have different abilities astounds me.

[jpmittins]

i agree. i'm definately starting to love skylar as a character. he's really interesting and has many more elements to his personality than i first thought.

when it comes to nikki however, i miss her as a character. i dont think tracy strauss can fill the void that nikki left in the cast.:(

but dr. zimmerman is going to be an interesting character. i bet he has a cloning ability or what not. and the fact that tracy and nikki have different abilities astounds me.

Well, Mohinder did say that every individual's blood chemistry is unique and that abilities could manifest in an infinite number of ways. For instance, my identical twin and I have our own unique qualities and are not perfectly identical.

Yeah, I really love Sylar and if he wasn't a deranged serial killer, he would be the best agent for the Company (if the Company itself was good) possible, except for maybe Peter.

Yeah, I think Dr. Zimmerman will be really cool. Can't wait for more information about him. Plus, I like his accent.

[furcalchick]

finally, a half decent fight on the show!!! but there was something in the episode that felt very off...could be another red flag that the show may be going down the toilet. i think it was because peter had sylar's ability, i didn't like that move very much, and seemed very cheesy.

and looks like claire will grow up to become a nut. she reminded me of a terminator almost. but i'm wondering about noah (sylar's son), is he the same noah that adopted claire?

what worries me more is what could be around the corner for next week's show, as it sounds like the company is fooling around with everyone's genes to give abilities out instead of them being somewhat naturally occurring. i really don't want this show to go x-files on me.

[7on]

How did Zimmerman know about her having powers if they took away his memory? Take away the specifics and not the fact he created super-beings? Noah's wife seemed to need to lose more.

And why do they need to bring back Adam? If Heroes lasts a 4th season it almost needs a reboot... Season 1: See the future, stop the world from blowing up. Season 2: See the future, stop a virus. Season 3: See the future, stop the world from blowing up.

And why do we need so many people that see the future? Sylar and Peter have Issac's ability - Do we need Mrs. Peterilli, the African, and Parkman now too? And if seeing the future is such a common power, why don't more people in the '4 years future' have it? Surely the world blowing up would be BIG news and psychics would be easier to believe than people flying (Less skeptics in the future, ie: world disaster more believable)

Maybe they're going Terminator 3 on us and tell us no matter what we do the world will be destroyed. It is inevitable.

[atszyman]

Definitely getting good again, looks like they're really trying to keep things flipping to the point where we'll have no clue who the real bad guy(s) is(are).

I had already called Tracy as Nikki's/Jessica's other sister (after speculating that she was Jessica), and I knew Linderman was in Nathan's head long before it was revealed. I really didn't find it all that shocking since Linderman only spoke with/to Nathan and had no interactions with anyone else. I also noticed that the girl Parkman was holding in the paintings looked a lot like the Daphne. Of course now that we know all this you'll have to take my word for it, but honest, I saw it all coming!:)

Am I the only one disappointed that the big cliffhanger with Jesse being so dangerous and then only seemed to be able to shout really loud?

[Tilpots]

Too many plot lines and not enough direction... I remember this happening with Season 1 and 2 so I'll be patient and wait for everything to come together. I just don't like all these separate story lines. I like my characters together and for the plot to make sense easily. Don't get me wrong, I love surprises and twists, but to have one character as two people in two different times is starting to get a little too difficult to follow as a casual viewer. I don't want to have to take notes and draw out time and story lines to enjoy my Monday evening show.

[jpmittins]

finally, a half decent fight on the show!!! but there was something in the episode that felt very off...could be another red flag that the show may be going down the toilet. i think it was because peter had sylar's ability, i didn't like that move very much, and seemed very cheesy.

and looks like claire will grow up to become a nut. she reminded me of a terminator almost. but i'm wondering about noah (sylar's son), is he the same noah that adopted claire?

what worries me more is what could be around the corner for next week's show, as it sounds like the company is fooling around with everyone's genes to give abilities out instead of them being somewhat naturally occurring. i really don't want this show to go x-files on me.

How exactly could Sylar's son be Claire's adoptive father? (Little) Noah looked to be about 4 years old (funny! That's how far in the future they were!) and in the present, Claire's adoptive father is probably 40 something. Unless Bennet got the ability to age in reverse very quickly, that just doesn't make any sense. However, I do think (little) Noah was named for Bennet. And may I say that future-Sylar (though by then he's called Gabriel again) is really cool! He's nice and he controlled his power so that he wasn't a psychopathic killer anymore.

What I want to know is what happened to (present) Nathan's family. He had a wife and kids, his kids even appeared early in Season 2, what happened to them?

Finally, I can't wait to see what happens to Mohinder. At the end when he pulled the guy into his apartment and the camera zooms out to just the door shutting, I couldn't help but think of the scene in Men in Black where the bug eats Tommy Lee Jones. Especially since Mohinder seems to be turning into a bug of some sort. Perhaps a strange cockroach? After all, he said in the first episode of the series that the cockroach was at the pinnacle of evolution. A clue, perhaps?

[furcalchick]

How exactly could Sylar's son be Claire's adoptive father? (Little) Noah looked to be about 4 years old (funny! That's how far in the future they were!) and in the present, Claire's adoptive father is probably 40 something. Unless Bennet got the ability to age in reverse very quickly, that just doesn't make any sense. However, I do think (little) Noah was named for Bennet. And may I say that future-Sylar (though by then he's called Gabriel again) is really cool! He's nice and he controlled his power so that he wasn't a psychopathic killer anymore.

i was thinking little noah could be a john connor complex (noah sent back in time to the 60's, lives there and becomes older than his father).

i think sylar at that point was more of a 'recovering druggie', always reminding himself where he has come from and keeping his addictions in check for his son.

What I want to know is what happened to (present) Nathan's family. He had a wife and kids, his kids even appeared early in Season 2, what happened to them?

the wife divorced him and he's not allowed to see them.

but here are some more questions: if nikki, tracey and barbara are triplets, why did nikki think about jessica all of the time? another company experiment that made her develop the duel personality disorder and delusional thoughts about people that never existed?

here are my complaints about the show from the last few weeks though. first off, as someone else said, too many prophecy based powers on the show, i wouldn't mind one or two, but we currently have four on the show that fit this profile. it's getting repetitive and most of the plot is drawing to similar to season one. get some new powers out there and a few new personalities (as in a couple of brawlers that are neutral, a repentant killer, etc.) instead of what is a mostly passive cast scared to use their powers (i'm talking about good guys mostly though).

second, i'm not liking the overall sloppy writing for this season or the direction i think it's taking to where all of the people with abilities were essentially experimented on early in life by the company. it sounds too cheesy and smells of x-files.

thirdly, the plot is getting repetitive of the world getting destroyed and the prophets finding out about it so fast. it's okay for now, but i don't want the same ending as season one with a lame fight at the end.

fourth, i do think we need a reboot for season four of some sort, with more fights and no prophecies of what will happen, but spending more time to figure that out.

just something to chew on.

[Tilpots]

if nikki, tracey and barbara are triplets, why did nikki think about jessica all of the time? another company experiment that made her develop the duel personality disorder and delusional thoughts about people that never existed?



I about fell on the floor when ol' Doc said Barbara and not Jessica!:eek:

They got some 'splainin' to do.

[jpmittins]

Definitely getting good again, looks like they're really trying to keep things flipping to the point where we'll have no clue who the real bad guy(s) is(are).

I had already called Tracy as Nikki's/Jessica's other sister (after speculating that she was Jessica), and I knew Linderman was in Nathan's head long before it was revealed. I really didn't find it all that shocking since Linderman only spoke with/to Nathan and had no interactions with anyone else. I also noticed that the girl Parkman was holding in the paintings looked a lot like the Daphne. Of course now that we know all this you'll have to take my word for it, but honest, I saw it all coming!:)

Am I the only one disappointed that the big cliffhanger with Jesse being so dangerous and then only seemed to be able to shout really loud?

No. When Bennet said that "You don't even want to know" to Claire, I though "sonic manipulation" on the computer screen could be a little cooler.

i was thinking little noah could be a john connor complex (noah sent back in time to the 60's, lives there and becomes older than his father).

i think sylar at that point was more of a 'recovering druggie', always reminding himself where he has come from and keeping his addictions in check for his son.



the wife divorced him and he's not allowed to see them.

but here are some more questions: if nikki, tracey and barbara are triplets, why did nikki think about jessica all of the time? another company experiment that made her develop the duel personality disorder and delusional thoughts about people that never existed?

here are my complaints about the show from the last few weeks though. first off, as someone else said, too many prophecy based powers on the show, i wouldn't mind one or two, but we currently have four on the show that fit this profile. it's getting repetitive and most of the plot is drawing to similar to season one. get some new powers out there and a few new personalities (as in a couple of brawlers that are neutral, a repentant killer, etc.) instead of what is a mostly passive cast scared to use their powers (i'm talking about good guys mostly though).

second, i'm not liking the overall sloppy writing for this season or the direction i think it's taking to where all of the people with abilities were essentially experimented on early in life by the company. it sounds too cheesy and smells of x-files.

thirdly, the plot is getting repetitive of the world getting destroyed and the prophets finding out about it so fast. it's okay for now, but i don't want the same ending as season one with a lame fight at the end.

fourth, i do think we need a reboot for season four of some sort, with more fights and no prophecies of what will happen, but spending more time to figure that out.

just something to chew on.

I agree with all the prophecy stuff, though admittedly Matt only used it once (or are we not mentioning him?). I like the whole Sylar thing, thought I don't agree with the "John Conner" theory. Seems weird; Bennet would act differently, wouldn't he, if he knew the future would be like that? I want to know who (little) Noah's mom is. Wouldn't it be just scandalous if it was Claire? Though I highly doubt that. Anyway, I really do want a real fight, the one in the last episode was cool, but I super fight with a lot of people and with multiple powers (especially if Peter would use more of his powers) would be awesome.

[bradl]

I also noticed that the girl Parkman was holding in the paintings looked a lot like the Daphne.


That's because it was Daphne. That scene where they were in the future after Claire shot Peter.. she was the one that went home to ask Molly to find Peter. When Gabriel went supernova and blew up Costa Verde, she came back and said "I wasn't fast enough." Putting one and one together....


I agree with all the prophecy stuff, though admittedly Matt only used it once (or are we not mentioning him?). I like the whole Sylar thing, thought I don't agree with the "John Conner" theory. Seems weird; Bennet would act differently, wouldn't he, if he knew the future would be like that? I want to know who (little) Noah's mom is. Wouldn't it be just scandalous if it was Claire? Though I highly doubt that. Anyway, I really do want a real fight, the one in the last episode was cool, but I super fight with a lot of people and with multiple powers (especially if Peter would use more of his powers) would be awesome.

Scandalous would be an understatement since she would have to have slept with her uncle.

What is weird is how Peter ended up getting Gabriel's power.. by fixing a watch?!? WTF?

Since we know that this 'future' is going to change, we really can't take anything of it into account unless they fail to stop the person putting the formula together.

I am seeing some delicious ironies in this season so far. Noah having to work with the guy who was out to kill his adoptive daughter; Peter meeting his brother and fighting alongside with, who he tried to kill 2 seasons ago. Hiro and Adam having to work together again.

Hmm.. could Zimmerman be one of the people in the photo that Adam was supposed to kill, like he did Hiro's father?

Also.. anybody notice how when Peter shouts, his mouth gets all messed up like Sylvester Stallone in Rocky? :D
BL.

[Dagless]

What Jimmi loved about Heroes series 1 - it's one track plot direction.
What Jimmi loved about Lost - that the story goes everywhere, gets lost and then has to find its way back again.

And never the 2 should meet. I don't like the way they're going now. I liked Heroes because it was direct. Also don't like how they're dawdling again. Series 2 had much more speed to it (obviously) and I'm missing that.
I dunno :(

[atszyman]

but here are some more questions: if nikki, tracey and barbara are triplets, why did nikki think about jessica all of the time? another company experiment that made her develop the duel personality disorder and delusional thoughts about people that never existed?

I got the impression that Tracey had been separated from the others at birth and that Nikki witnessed the abuse that led to the death of Jessica, hence the split personallity.

That's because it was Daphne. That scene where they were in the future after Claire shot Peter.. she was the one that went home to ask Molly to find Peter. When Gabriel went supernova and blew up Costa Verde, she came back and said "I wasn't fast enough." Putting one and one together....

I know that, I was bragging about my prognosticatory (holy crap! the spell checker actually liked that word) skills. I saw the painting last week and thought it looked like Daphne, before it was revealed this week. But you only have my word to go by on that.

[Tilpots]

I got the impression that Tracey had been separated from the others at birth and that Nikki witnessed the abuse that led to the death of Jessica, hence the split personallity.

The doc never mentioned a Jessica. I think Nikki must have had her as a split personality the whole time. Still more questions than answers here.

[atszyman]

The doc never mentioned a Jessica. I think Nikki must have had her as a split personality the whole time. Still more questions than answers here.

Either that or, Jessica was a sister in her adopted family that was abused and she created the alternate personality after witnessing the abuse/death.

Did they ever say that Jessica was a twin sister?

I don't recall, when Nikki met her dad, did he know who Jessica was? or did he claim that he had no clue who Jessica was? Jessica may have just been the personality to switch over to during the abuse to keep it from really affecting her normal life.

[sangosimo]

this show has gone down the toilet. not even worth watching but dexter...

[soberbrain]

What is weird is how Peter ended up getting Gabriel's power.. by fixing a watch?!? WTF?


Sylar's power was in understand how things work by manipulating pieces physically, whether it's watches or brains.

Peter learns superpowers by absorbing them from those around him. With the watch, Sylar merely gave Peter an easy example to learn how to use the newly absorbed ability.

I'm hoping for multiple giant fight scenes with all this possibility of many more people gaining superpowers.

[furcalchick]

The doc never mentioned a Jessica. I think Nikki must have had her as a split personality the whole time. Still more questions than answers here.

i think the split personality was a side effect of whatever wacky experiments the doctor did to nikki and her sisters. jessica never existed and is in her head and was suppressed when she is on drugs. and nikki's father is probably talking more metaphorically about killing jessica by making her go away in therapy when she was younger.

Either that or, Jessica was a sister in her adopted family that was abused and she created the alternate personality after witnessing the abuse/death.

Did they ever say that Jessica was a twin sister?

I don't recall, when Nikki met her dad, did he know who Jessica was? or did he claim that he had no clue who Jessica was? Jessica may have just been the personality to switch over to during the abuse to keep it from really affecting her normal life.

yes, they said she was a twin sister. for the rest, see above.

I'm hoping for multiple giant fight scenes with all this possibility of many more people gaining superpowers.

same here. i'm tired of all of the good guys having somewhat passive powers like mind reading, prophetic visions (dreams, painting, etc), powers you can't really fight with, while the bad guys do. good guys don't just use their powers to talk and for the most part useless in a fight, they have powers on the offensive.

[atszyman]

yes, they said she was a twin sister. for the rest, see above.


Actually after a bit of googling I found the Heroes wiki (http://heroeswiki.com/Talk:Niki_Sanders) which says

We are assuming they are twins... there has been no canonical reference to them being twin sisters. All we know for sure is that they are sisters and Jessica died at age 11. It is quite reasonable that Jessica was the older sister who has somehow been absorbed by the younger after her death. - User:Johngon

The debate continues as to which was older and what the power actually is but I'm leaning towards the following with no clear resolution on who the older sister was.

It's entirely probable that Jessica was an adoptive sister and Nikki's power of super strength manifested with the split personality much like other's powers have shown up when under stress. Nikki's super strength is her own but early on the Jessica personality was the only one that could access it.

or so my theory goes.

[Tilpots]

Pretty slow ep tonight until the end revelation of Parkman's Dad playing mind tricks on everyone. Nice trick. And what is Mr. Patrelli's power? Must be pretty strong.

I think Hiro must have put a blood pack in Ando.:eek:

Anyone else sick of Claire's Mom?

[furcalchick]

The debate continues as to which was older and what the power actually is but I'm leaning towards the following with no clear resolution on who the older sister was.

It's entirely probable that Jessica was an adoptive sister and Nikki's power of super strength manifested with the split personality much like other's powers have shown up when under stress. Nikki's super strength is her own but early on the Jessica personality was the only one that could access it.

or so my theory goes.

actually, it's confirmed that jessica was the younger (probably adoptive) sister of nikki, since jessica was born in 1976 and nikki was born in 1974.

but last night's episode was mostly a stinker, expect the part where ando died and we saw parkman's daddy and mr. petrelli running the show at the end. the whole claire drama sounded stupid and seemed to just waste time, and i didn't like the idea of the experimenting with children to give them powers, sounded slightly cheesy. and not enough action.

[7on]

Or the fact that Jessica didn't exist at all and Nikki is just crazy.

[soberbrain]

but last night's episode was mostly a stinker, expect the part where ando died and we saw parkman's daddy and mr. petrelli running the show at the end. the whole claire drama sounded stupid and seemed to just waste time, and i didn't like the idea of the experimenting with children to give them powers, sounded slightly cheesy. and not enough action.

I think it was a good episode and I agree the senior Parkman/Patrelli reveal was great.

I still can't accept that Ando is dead. I get that Hiro was concerned after seeing himself be killed by Ando and that he's trying to save the world, but to kill his best friend without much internal conflict is a bit hard to understand.

Claire's portion of the show was a bit slow for me. But it has potential with the emotional issues between her, her dad and Sylar.

The experimenting makes sense since there was always a scientific aspect to the show with the companies involved and Suresh's work. It definitely adds to Nathan's story since he became a man of God. Also, it sets up another faction. There's heroes vs. villans and synthetics vs. the companies.

All in all I'm looking forward to the next show.

[jpmittins]

I loved the whole Parkman/Petrelli thing at the end too. That was great. Plus, the "Puppet Master" as NBC called him in next weeks promo is super creepy. Personally, this episode was not as good as some of the earlier ones this season. Expect for when Steven killed himself (I liked Steven, but that was great how that happened) and when Hiro killed Ando. I can't believe that happened; I just can't. I hope people start to see Sylar as the good guy inside and he becomes what future Sylar is (will be?). But the promo for next week's episode looks really good. I can't wait to see what happens.

[bigandy]

This show is getting seriously dumb IMO.

Not sure I'm going to continue watching it.

[Annndy!]

This show is getting seriously dumb IMO.

Not sure I'm going to continue watching it.

What don't you like about it? So far, this season is much better than the last.

[jpmittins]

Oh yeah, can we please get some definite info on Mohinder? What's wrong with him and what exactly is he doing with those people. Are they dead? That would make me alternatively happy and sad; I both like and hate Maya. In reality, I like Alejandro much better, too bad Sylar had to kill him.

[pilotError]

I don't really like the line that they are taking with Claire. I suspect they are bringing you along her transformation from ditzy blonde to tough brunette and why she made the transformation.

I'm a little surprised by Hiro killing Ando. I suspect that may be the reason for the revenge in the future. It can't be the end of that relationship, I fully expect to see him go back and save Ando. If they don't, then it's a really stupid way to kill his character off. Perhaps this is the start of the serious bad ass Hiro that we saw come back from the future and talk to Peter on the subway in season 1.

Which way do you think Nathan will take the news that he's not a messenger from God but enhanced in a lab? Now that we know Matt's father is doing the mind trick thing, who really saved Nathan? Or does he have a hidden power he doesn't know about...

I'm a little dissapointed in the direction they took Suresh. He was the grounding force for the show and now he's a complete freak. Maya seems to be getting hotter though ;)

I like the new twists with Nathan and Parkmans dad.

Now that we know there's a Barbara out there, should we expect her this season or next season. I suppose Nathan will end up with one of them from the flash forward, but did they name the first lady?

The show id still fun to watch, but was it me or did they use some subtle LOST music in last nights episode? Especially when Linderman kept dissapearing.

[7on]

Ando is still alive. Heroes never kills off any character :rolleyes:

I say it's the Bill & Ted paradigm. Plan that you're going to travel back in time and do something to affect the now. Hiro is probably going to plant a fake blood thing in Ando's Shirt and tell him to not tell his present self.

[7on]

Which way do you think Nathan will take the news that he's not a messenger from God but enhanced in a lab? Now that we know Matt's father is doing the mind trick thing, who really saved Nathan? Or does he have a hidden power he doesn't know about...

Present Peter could have saved him with his blood, the company could have saved him with extra claire blood or something.

[timerollson]

Ando is still alive. Heroes never kills off any character :rolleyes:

This is my problem with Heroes. It's okay to kill some characters off. Stop introducing new ones when we don't have answers for certain ones.

It would've been just as great to kill of Ali Larter's character but bringing her back as Tracy is stupid. What's next? Are they bringing back West too? LOL.

[7on]

This is my problem with Heroes. It's okay to kill some characters off. Stop introducing new ones when we don't have answers for certain ones.

It would've been just as great to kill of Ali Larter's character but bringing her back as Tracy is stupid. What's next? Are they bringing back West too? LOL.

I called it.

When Season 2 was just starting up I said if they brought Nathan back it would ruin it for me. That said, I even watched The 4400 until the end of Season 3 so I suppose I should stick this one out as well.

[jpmittins]

Ando is still alive. Heroes never kills off any character :rolleyes:

I say it's the Bill & Ted paradigm. Plan that you're going to travel back in time and do something to affect the now. Hiro is probably going to plant a fake blood thing in Ando's Shirt and tell him to not tell his present self.

Uhh, what about Issac?

But that's really funny. The Bill and Ted paradigm. I could actually see that happening, though it's a little far-fetched.

[Dagless]

Wasn't keen on that episode. Parkmans dad? Forgot about him so much I didn't even recognise or care about his character when I found out who it was. :o

It's all getting a bit new Jonny Quest.

[7on]

Uhh, what about Issac?

I guess I should have said "popular characters."

Catering to the masses is what gets a show stale. Especially a show as 'geeky' as Heroes is.

So far, Ali Larter (and whoever everyone is) should be dead, Nathan Petrilli, Sylar.

And the characters they do get rid of aren't ever mentioned again by anyone. Peter's had two "love" interests and nothings mentioned. Nathan has a wife and kids and you never hear about him doing visits or wanting to see them. Claire has West and he disappeared. Hiro's sister?

[question fear]

Or the fact that Jessica didn't exist at all and Nikki is just crazy.

Except wasn't there a first season scene where DL and Niki were visiting Jessica's grave? That would imply there was a real jessica...

[furcalchick]

I guess I should have said "popular characters."

Catering to the masses is what gets a show stale. Especially a show as 'geeky' as Heroes is.

So far, Ali Larter (and whoever everyone is) should be dead, Nathan Petrilli, Sylar.

And the characters they do get rid of aren't ever mentioned again by anyone. Peter's had two "love" interests and nothings mentioned. Nathan has a wife and kids and you never hear about him doing visits or wanting to see them. Claire has West and he disappeared. Hiro's sister?

on the dead people, remember the first rule of comics, believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. supposedly dead characters come back unlike the rest of tv dramas. i say never count them dead until you see a body.

on the disappearing people, first off, peter's girlfriends, one is dead and the other one i'm guessing does not exist anymore since she is still in a future that does not exist (blame the strike). nathan is forbidden to see the wife and kids, and frankly has other things on his mind right now. west, i think will show up again, but i'm not sure. hiro's sister is probably just a one time apperance. but i think most of them will eventually come back.

[jpmittins]

Well, I'll be the first to say it:

What a twist!

EDIT: Woo! 100th post! And I started the thread, too!

[Tilpots]

So Peter loses his abilities right after the African Precog tells Hiro that using his head and not his abilites will help him more. Can you say "foreshadowing?"

All things considered, pretty good ep. The girl squad story line is pretty useless right now.

I do like Parkman's turtle. I wonder if it has powers?:)

[soberbrain]

So Peter loses his abilities right after the African Precog tells Hiro that using his head and not his abilites will help him more. Can you say "foreshadowing?"

All things considered, pretty good ep. The girl squad story line is pretty useless right now.

I do like Parkman's turtle. I wonder if it has powers?:)

Maybe the synthetic superpowers is a result of coming in contact with some sort of "radioactive ooze". If this "ooze" was accidentally spilled on the turtle it might give it some sort of "mutant ninja" powers. That would be sweet!

Oh and maybe a side effect could be an insatiable appetite for pizza.

BTW, I agree Clair's story line is tired and good call on the forshadowing. Also, with Mr. Patrelli being able to drain the life out of Adam, there's a threat to Clair since she seems to be a key player in a crucial point in the story. Hopefully it will add momentum to Clair's storyline.

Also it's interesting that he, (and his naturally special sons) Peter and Sylar all have the ability of "gaining" other powers though in slightly different manners.

[7on]

Maybe the synthetic superpowers is a result of coming in contact with some sort of "radioactive ooze". If this "ooze" was accidentally spilled on the turtle it might give it some sort of "mutant ninja" powers. That would be sweet!

Oh and maybe a side effect could be an insatiable appetite for pizza.

BTW, I agree Clair's story line is tired and good call on the forshadowing. Also, with Mr. Patrelli being able to drain the life out of Adam, there's a threat to Clair since she seems to be a key player in a crucial point in the story. Hopefully it will add momentum to Clair's storyline.

Also it's interesting that he, (and his naturally special sons) Peter and Sylar all have the ability of "gaining" other powers though in slightly different manners.

I don't think Claire will die like Adam did, I think he just aged 400 years when Patrelli took his power.

Now the question is, does Mr. Patrelli now have "The Hunger?"

[soberbrain]

I don't think Claire will die like Adam did, I think he just aged 400 years when Patrelli took his power.

Ahhh, that makes sense.

[Tilpots]

Now the question is, does Mr. Patrelli now have "The Hunger?"

Even if he does, he's probably strong enough to control it, even better than future Sylar. Also, I believe Peter is now cured of "the Hunger," at least for now.

[furcalchick]

BTW, I agree Clair's story line is tired and good call on the forshadowing. Also, with Mr. Patrelli being able to drain the life out of Adam, there's a threat to Clair since she seems to be a key player in a crucial point in the story. Hopefully it will add momentum to Clair's storyline.

Also it's interesting that he, (and his naturally special sons) Peter and Sylar all have the ability of "gaining" other powers though in slightly different manners.

i'm getting tired of claire's storyline. it's becoming a disease of the week storyline, i want something new to this and for it to go somewhere.

and about mr. petrelli's powers, it's another problem, too many repeating powers that are similar in tone.

I don't think Claire will die like Adam did, I think he just aged 400 years when Patrelli took his power.

Now the question is, does Mr. Patrelli now have "The Hunger?"

i thought at first his power was to absorb the life force of others into his own, similar to some other villains i've seen before. at the end, i realized that he just took other people's powers and gave it to himself. i wonder if he can do this in reverse, i.e., he gave his crew their powers to begin with to carry out his plan.

Even if he does, he's probably strong enough to control it, even better than future Sylar. Also, I believe Peter is now cured of "the Hunger," at least for now.

i think of sylar as more of a recovering drug addict that found a way to control his addiction for powers somehow and reformed himself.

and btw, what did mohinder do to nathan and tracy in the first place? where is that plot going?

did anyone like the hiro comedy bit with him getting hit of the shovel? i did.

[7on]

did anyone like the hiro comedy bit with him getting hit of the shovel? i did.

I did:p

Hiro needs more moments like that. I feel he's the comedy relief (though he was the one to save them all in Season 1 + 2, just appearing randomly at the end and dispatching the villains)

[jpmittins]

i'm getting tired of claire's storyline. it's becoming a disease of the week storyline, i want something new to this and for it to go somewhere.

and about mr. petrelli's powers, it's another problem, too many repeating powers that are similar in tone.



i thought at first his power was to absorb the life force of others into his own, similar to some other villains i've seen before. at the end, i realized that he just took other people's powers and gave it to himself. i wonder if he can do this in reverse, i.e., he gave his crew their powers to begin with to carry out his plan.



i think of sylar as more of a recovering drug addict that found a way to control his addiction for powers somehow and reformed himself.

and btw, what did mohinder do to nathan and tracy in the first place? where is that plot going?

did anyone like the hiro comedy bit with him getting hit of the shovel? i did.

That would be cool, but probably won't happen, since they all have power anyway. What I want to know is why Big Daddy Petrelli wanted Matt since his power is exactly that of his father, who already works for him. I don't get it. I think Big Petrelli's true power is that he steals and collects the powers of others, unlike Rouge, who (correct me if I'm wrong) could only use them if she was touching said person.

I really want to know what the deal with Mohinder is too! What the hell is wrong with him and when are we going to find out what's happening to him?

I like the Hiro story line as well. The bit with the shovel was funny.

[7on]

That would be cool, but probably won't happen, since they all have power anyway. What I want to know is why Big Daddy Petrelli wanted Matt since his power is exactly that of his father, who already works for him. I don't get it. I think Big Petrelli's true power is that he steals and collects the powers of others, unlike Rouge, who (correct me if I'm wrong) could only use them if she was touching said person.

I really want to know what the deal with Mohinder is too! What the hell is wrong with him and when are we going to find out what's happening to him?

I like the Hiro story line as well. The bit with the shovel was funny.

From the Wikipedia
Rogue possesses the mutant ability to absorb psyches and abilities of individuals or several beings at once, though the experience can be confusing and disorienting for her. Rogue can absorb the memories, knowledge, talents, personality, and physical abilities (whether superhuman or not) of another human being (or members of some sentient alien races) through physical contact of her skin with the skin of that person (some times she also duplicates in herself gross physical characteristics of her victim). The victim's abilities and memories are absorbed for a one second to 60 second ratio of contact. The victim loses those abilities and memories for exactly the amount of time that Rogue possesses them. In the case of super-powered individuals, she also absorbs any extra abilities they might possess. This absorption usually leaves its victim weakened, and sometimes unconscious. Their powers may also be temporarily weakened or removed. Rogue cannot touch another human being without absorbing their memories, abilities, and superhuman powers (if any) and rendering them unconscious. However, evidence suggests that Rogue's inability to control her powers is psychological in nature. During the times when the Ms. Marvel personality would overtake her psyche, she was able to touch people without any absorption occurring. This fact has not been reconciled since.[15]
This transfer is usually temporary, lasting for a period of time relative to how long contact is maintained, but if Rogue holds on to her victim for too long, the transfer may become permanent, leaving the victim dead. Most often this process happens instantly when Rogue touches someone, but certain extraordinarily powerful beings have proven resistant to Rogue's power, and she may only share part of their memories and power.
As Rogue is absorbing the total psyche of a person, there is a risk of a personality overwhelming her and taking control of her body. It has also been shown that even though Rogue forgets the memories she has absorbed when a psyche returns to its body, remnants, or 'echoes', of the personalities of victims whose memories she has absorbed remain buried in her subconscious indefinitely.
Better than anything I could read, seems Mr. Petrelli just takes powers (and chooses to, because Mrs. Petrelli still has her power).

Mohinder might be a key. He wants to get rid of this affliction and Mr. Petrelli has the ability to remove abilities from another. Quite possibly Petrelli will take Mohinder's ability and save Mohinder by accident and transform himself in the process.

[jpmittins]

From the Wikipedia

Better than anything I could read, seems Mr. Petrelli just takes powers (and chooses to, because Mrs. Petrelli still has her power).

Mohinder might be a key. He wants to get rid of this affliction and Mr. Petrelli has the ability to remove abilities from another. Quite possibly Petrelli will take Mohinder's ability and save Mohinder by accident and transform himself in the process.

Like I said, unlike Rouge. I don't think The Big P took Angela's power, I think he just put her in a coma somehow. Besides, I always thought that when Angela actually saw her husband, it was in one of her dream jawns. Now that you mention it, Petrelli could take Mohinder's "power" ridding him of his self inflicted curse. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I have to say it; I love this show so much more now than last year. This one hour (with commercials, no less!) often makes up for the crap that happened during the day. I don't know what I'm going to do when it goes on break.

[Dagless]

i thought at first his power was to absorb the life force of others into his own, similar to some other villains i've seen before. at the end, i realized that he just took other people's powers and gave it to himself. i wonder if he can do this in reverse, i.e., he gave his crew their powers to begin with to carry out his plan.

I doubt it, since Nathan had to be given his powers by that Doctor bloke.
I'm a little interested to see how Peter/Nathans dad ended up in that bed, paralysed.

[Tilpots]

I'm a little interested to see how Peter/Nathans dad ended up in that bed, paralysed.

Just speculation, but probably the crew of old Hero's that we know of, Hiro's Dad, Mrs. Patrelli, Linderman, and Adam plus probably everyone associated with "The Company" put him there. We know Adam was terrified as soon as he saw him because the fear4strength guy got strong. Parkman's Dad was with that team at one time (remember the photgraph), but must have been turned to Mr. Paterlli's side somehow. Just a guess... Tune in for the next 15 weeks to find out!:D

[jpmittins]

I doubt it, since Nathan had to be given his powers by that Doctor bloke.
I'm a little interested to see how Peter/Nathans dad ended up in that bed, paralysed.

Well, he probably was needed for something at Pinehearst (is that how you spell it?) and in an attempt to fake his death, something went horribly wrong... duh duh DUH! So anyways, we'll probably find out soon.

[jpmittins]

Just speculation, but probably the crew of old Hero's that we know of, Hiro's Dad, Mrs. Patrelli, Linderman, and Adam plus probably everyone associated with "The Company" put him there. We know Adam was terrified as soon as he saw him because the fear4strength guy got strong. Parkman's Dad was with that team at one time (remember the photgraph), but must have been turned to Mr. Paterlli's side somehow. Just a guess... Tune in for the next 15 weeks to find out!:D

I know you're trying to be silly, but I think Tim Kring has protected against something like that; this volume is only like 12 or 13 episodes, while the forth volume will comprise the rest of the season. So we should (hopefully) find out in less time than that.

[bbbensen]

Hiro needs more moments like that. I feel he's the comedy relief (though he was the one to save them all in Season 1 + 2, just appearing randomly at the end and dispatching the villains)


I love the Hiro plot line. It has all of the witty jokes. :p

Introducing Daphne into the plot line was a great choice. She adds a bit of flair to Hiro's usual "save the world" actions. I thought that they would fall in love if Matt Parkman didnt have that vision. :)

[Stepper]

Is it me or is Daphne WAY to young for Parkman, I thought she was young...early 20's or something, anyone know how old she is? :confused:

[Dagless]

I know you're trying to be silly, but I think Tim Kring has protected against something like that; this volume is only like 12 or 13 episodes, while the forth volume will comprise the rest of the season. So we should (hopefully) find out in less time than that.

That's good to know. Don't think I'd carry on watching if they dragged out this story arc for another 15 episodes. Maybe I'm just being British but I like the quicker paced plots... give me resolution dammit :D

[soberbrain]

I love the Hiro plot line. It has all of the witty jokes. :p

Introducing Daphne into the plot line was a great choice. She adds a bit of flair to Hiro's usual "save the world" actions. I thought that they would fall in love if Matt Parkman didnt have that vision. :)

I crack up everytime he says "Hello, nemesis" :)

The shovel gag was hilarious!

[Cynicalone]

Wirelessly posted (Newton: MessagePad 2100 (StrongARM; SA-110 162 MHz; CPU Newton OS 2_1 like Mac OS 9; en-us) Nethopper/101.01

I love the show and Season 3 is good, not great. They set the bar so high with season 1, it may be hard for them to get back to that level.

[7on]

The show just keeps getting better for me. Though I will say it needs a "reboot" of sorts next season (e.g. get rid of half the cast).

Aaaaand I got a HDTV yesterday so now I will get to watch Heroes in HD monday! :D

[jpmittins]

The show just keeps getting better for me. Though I will say it needs a "reboot" of sorts next season (e.g. get rid of half the cast).

Aaaaand I got a HDTV yesterday so now I will get to watch Heroes in HD monday! :D

Ooh, Heroes in HD is great. Which brings me to my next point; nobody tell me what happens tonight, I'm going to be busy watching the World Series (GO PHILLIES!). Hopefully, The Pirate Bay will have it within two hours of it coming on. Who am I kidding, of course it will be. And if anyone yells at me for pirating, just shut up. It's a television show, the only other way to watch it is on NBC, which still doesn't cost anything and no one is suffering if I pirate it.

By the way, I do know that to not find out what happens all I have to do is not check this thread until I watch the episode. I'm just being faceous (which I have no idea how to spell). I'm just a little giddy about the World Series tonight, is all.

[Dagless]

Is it just me or is the writing getting worse?

[7on]

Is it just me or is the writing getting worse?

Sounds like it. Mohinder hasn't been given a reason to want powers other than "omfg powers!" An easy way out of that would have been for him to mention that ever since his father died he has dreamed of a way to fight sylar on his own grounds. I guess they alluded to that, but did he even know Sylar was still alive until this point?

I'm glad they're killing off supers (Parkman's dad) but now that Mr. Petrilli has Peter's powers, couldn't he just kill his subordinates? Does he not need them anymore? Especially the dotty speedster. I mean he killed Mr. Parkman with no sweat when he mouthed off at him - now that Mr. Petrilli can do everything, why does he need everyone else?

And why hasn't he gotten "The Hunger?" And why is Sylar so special? Is it because he modified his powers? His powers isn't the ability to take other powers - but to know how things work (intuition). He might be needed to explain how powers work... and Mr. Petrilli doesn't want to lose the ability by taking it from Sylar (remember Peter had to be taught how to use it). Well, that might explain how the "Hunger" hasn't manifested in Mr. Petrilli... and why he doesn't need Sylar's power. He might just need to see him use his "clockmaker's" ability and be able to learn how to use it...

[furcalchick]

Is it just me or is the writing getting worse?

it's not just you, i said this the past few weeks about sloppy writing. in fact, my brother said that he didn't understand the mind games being played by parkman and son (sylar's dream with angela and matt seemingly dead). he thinks the writers are just intentionally confusing viewers now.

Sounds like it. Mohinder hasn't been given a reason to want powers other than "omfg powers!" An easy way out of that would have been for him to mention that ever since his father died he has dreamed of a way to fight sylar on his own grounds. I guess they alluded to that, but did he even know Sylar was still alive until this point?

I'm glad they're killing off supers (Parkman's dad) but now that Mr. Petrilli has Peter's powers, couldn't he just kill his subordinates? Does he not need them anymore? Especially the dotty speedster. I mean he killed Mr. Parkman with no sweat when he mouthed off at him - now that Mr. Petrilli can do everything, why does he need everyone else?

And why hasn't he gotten "The Hunger?" And why is Sylar so special? Is it because he modified his powers? His powers isn't the ability to take other powers - but to know how things work (intuition). He might be needed to explain how powers work... and Mr. Petrilli doesn't want to lose the ability by taking it from Sylar (remember Peter had to be taught how to use it). Well, that might explain how the "Hunger" hasn't manifested in Mr. Petrilli... and why he doesn't need Sylar's power. He might just need to see him use his "clockmaker's" ability and be able to learn how to use it...

i like the fact that they are killing off some, but i don't want all of them to be killed off and turn into a giant mess of confusion tv.

no show next week though.

[timerollson]

Heroes needs to hurry up and tie up some of its many loose ends. I'm getting a bit frustrated that with every passing week, there's something "new" being introduced to the story line without any wrap-up of the show's previous problems.

I fear Heroes is going the way of Lost....few answers, too many questions. There are too many arcs...Mohinder, Claire, Nathan & Nikki, Peter, Ando & Hiro, Parkman/Daphne, Sylar, HRG/Claire's real mom, Angela Petrelli, Mr. Petrelli and subordinates....
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BTW, I hope that was the last of Maya. She can go wherever Micah, Wes, Irish love interest of Peter from Season 2 and random New Orleans chick are....and stay there.

[joepunk]

It's unpredictability has become predictable.

I'm getting tired of the who's a villain and vice versa. At first I was like, the mother is a bad person. No wait it's Mohinder. Now it's the father. But wait, I bet that the father will turn out good in the end.

And the supposed/fake killing of Parkman and pushing Peter out the window was not at all shocking. We know they still live so why even make itty bitty commercial cliffhangers like those. It's all predictable.

Oh, and I am sort of tired of Hiro and his "I have to save the world" speeches. JUST DO IT.

rant over.

[jpmittins]

I don't know, I still like Heroes. I agree, it's gotten a little strange in the last few episodes, but I think the next episode will start to bring it all together and make it all good again.

[Dagless]

I don't know, I still like Heroes. I agree, it's gotten a little strange in the last few episodes, but I think the next episode will start to bring it all together and make it all good again.

I don't doubt they will. I just find the middle sections of Heroes to be quite dull, it's as if they have a good start - like who will be there, what their stance on X, Y, Z is. And a good ending. It's just getting to the end that is their problem.

And writers strikes never helped much!

[jpmittins]

I don't doubt they will. I just find the middle sections of Heroes to be quite dull, it's as if they have a good start - like who will be there, what their stance on X, Y, Z is. And a good ending. It's just getting to the end that is their problem.

And writers strikes never helped much!

Well, of course the writer's strike was no good, but the first season was excellent the whole way through. Also, sometimes I look back on the second season and I realize at about halfway through, it actually got quite good. Now, we're just experiencing a few dull episodes. Personally, I like the whole Peter Sylar interactions. For instance, Sylar rescuing Peter, Peter rescuing Sylar, etc. Also, Peter without powers is kind of cool, in my opinion.

[Dagless]

Well I was hoping for some continuation of the story, since they've only got 3 episodes left in this mini series (right?). Suppose it was nice having a Lost style flashback to everything though but I can't help shake the feeling this episode was made just for the writers to show off their intertangly story bits.
And a crying bloody shame that the shaman chap was killed.

Also looks like heroes will be able to get their powers back after daddy Petrelli has taken them... A future, time travelling Hiro is agiven thanks to series 1.

[jpmittins]

Well I was hoping for some continuation of the story, since they've only got 3 episodes left in this mini series (right?). Suppose it was nice having a Lost style flashback to everything though but I can't help shake the feeling this episode was made just for the writers to show off their intertangly story bits.
And a crying bloody shame that the shaman chap was killed.

Also looks like heroes will be able to get their powers back after daddy Petrelli has taken them... A future, time travelling Hiro is agiven thanks to series 1.

Yeah, but we all know the future isn't set, it keeps changing. I do feel bad that Usutu died. I really like the backstory on Sylar though, even though I really hated the kid Elle made him kill. Plus, when Thompson released Meredeth and you see Claire running into the fire, I was amazed that Thompson had a heart and that the whole scene was done so well. Good job.

[Dagless]

I'm curious to why the writers didn't show Sylar getting one of his more commonly used powers. What did that chap do? Blast air out of his finger? I was thinking that would be where Sylar got his head slicing power but it turned out he could already do that?

And yea... Maybe I'm too used to Doctor Who :D where time is more or less fixed. Ah well! Roll on next week. I can't wait to see how this ends, what with that exciting cliff hanger (btw, wonder how daddy Petrelli knew about Hiro and his trance?).

[furcalchick]

I'm curious to why the writers didn't show Sylar getting one of his more commonly used powers. What did that chap do? Blast air out of his finger? I was thinking that would be where Sylar got his head slicing power but it turned out he could already do that?

i think the head sawing thing is established as part of telekinesis, making an invisible blade, or moving the skin and underlayers in the head to cut it open, which is kinda gross when you think about it. i thought the part where elle has to choose between sylar and the company was a bit interesting, but she gave into the pressure instead of helping sylar, and ironically, bennet made the monster.

i liked the part with meredith saying that flint got a big sister instead of a brain. i liked that story a little bit.

the episode was interesting, but didn't have that punch i was looking for. it felt like the obligatory flashback episode instead. there is still not alot of direction here, but i think we'll get that next week (i hope).

[soberbrain]

I'm curious to why the writers didn't show Sylar getting one of his more commonly used powers. What did that chap do? Blast air out of his finger?

I agree that was a strange choice. I still don't understand that person's power.

Overall, I enjoyed the flashback episode because it gave more depth to the story and the characters.

Hiro always brought a funny and light-hearted aspect to the show and introducing Mr. Petrelli that way is still a shocking change. I can't wait to see what happens next.

[Tilpots]

Oh no. They're changing everything. They've needed to backtrack a year for the new story lines to make any sense. That's not good and I don't think it bodes well for the future of the show.

Now we're suddenly supposed to like Sylar, Angela Patrelli, and Elle? It's too much. One, person becoming good, maybe I'll buy that. But this realignment of good and evil characters has only left me scratching my head. They didn't need to do this to make the stories interesting.

Oh well... Battlestar G's getting closer and closer...

[jpmittins]

I'm curious to why the writers didn't show Sylar getting one of his more commonly used powers. What did that chap do? Blast air out of his finger? I was thinking that would be where Sylar got his head slicing power but it turned out he could already do that?

And yea... Maybe I'm too used to Doctor Who :D where time is more or less fixed. Ah well! Roll on next week. I can't wait to see how this ends, what with that exciting cliff hanger (btw, wonder how daddy Petrelli knew about Hiro and his trance?).

I don't understand what that guy did either; in all honesty, it was kind of a stupid power (it didn't help that I hated how that kid looked, he was such a poser). I wanted them to show the person he got his freezing power from, that would have been much better. Also, I agree with what someone else said, the head slicing thing is just a manifestation of his telekinesis.

[Dagless]

Did someone in the episode say that Slylars power is basically the ability to transfer power? If so I can imagine everything being easily resolved by having Sylar "transfer" back everyones power from daddy Petrelli.

[MasterNile]

(btw, wonder how daddy Petrelli knew about Hiro and his trance?).

Well he can read minds, he sent Hiro to get Usutu and probably just went to go check what was taking so long and read Usutu's mind. Either that or he used Peter's precog ability to see it. How is it that both precogs have died so easily though, that's kind of messed up when Hiro couldn't capture Usutu until he wanted to be caught.

[soberbrain]

Did someone in the episode say that Slylars power is basically the ability to transfer power? If so I can imagine everything being easily resolved by having Sylar "transfer" back everyones power from daddy Petrelli.

I think Claire's father said it. Since Mr. Petrelli is the Big Bad that has to be defeated, Sylar may be tempted not to give back the powers since he'll be the most powerful with Peter and Mr. Petrelli out.

Well he can read minds, he sent Hiro to get Usutu and probably just went to go check what was taking so long and read Usutu's mind. Either that or he used Peter's precog ability to see it. How is it that both precogs have died so easily though, that's kind of messed up when Hiro couldn't capture Usutu until he wanted to be caught.

The precogs seem to accept that they can only follow what's going to happen and not change it. He wasn't avoiding Hiro, just following the story he painted. He may have painted his own death. I don't recall if there has been a painted future that hasn't happened.

[Dagless]

Does Angella Petrelli count as a pre-cog?

[joepunk]

Well he can read minds, he sent Hiro to get Usutu and probably just went to go check what was taking so long and read Usutu's mind. Either that or he used Peter's precog ability to see it. How is it that both precogs have died so easily though, that's kind of messed up when Hiro couldn't capture Usutu until he wanted to be caught.

We are going to find out that daddy Petrelli is not really in the desert sucking Hiro's mind. Hiro is still in a trance/dream state and he will wake-up. This is my episode cliff-hanger theory.

[timerollson]

I'm starting to really dislike this show....

[jpmittins]

I'm starting to really dislike this show....

Why? I still find it quite engaging and fun to watch.

[leekohler]

I really liked it this week. As a matter of fact, I've liked this whole third season so far. It's so much better than season 2 was.

[MasterNile]

I really liked it this week. As a matter of fact, I've liked this whole third season so far. It's so much better than season 2 was.

I think anything would have been better than season two, but I think that's mostly to blame on the writer's strike, they were building up to a climax but had to cut it short and lost the climax which made the whole season just feel like you were waiting for something to happen and it never did.

[Dagless]

I really liked it this week. As a matter of fact, I've liked this whole third season so far. It's so much better than season 2 was.

Same. I'm unhappy with some of the writers decisions in series 3 but overall it's much more enjoyable than 2. 1 was incredible and still the Heroes standard they need to match.
IMO of course :)

[timerollson]

Tonight's episode was redeeming!

This is the forward direction that the show's creators need to move in. I was getting tired of new questions arising every single week. Next week's ep looks even better!

[7on]

Dunno how I feel about Sylar at this point. I mean wasn't his power just about understanding how things work? How are they going to explain how he got Elle's power without opening her up to see how she's put together?

And what's with the eclipse? Linderman, Angela, etc all had powers before the eclipse. I think that the eclipse and their powers is kinda weak (even though I felt that should have been the original explanation, not the whole genetics thing)

[pilotError]

I mean wasn't his power just about understanding how things work? How are they going to explain how he got Elle's power without opening her up to see how she's put together?

Mr. Pitrelli told Sylar that he has had the ability all along, he just needed to use the Empathetic part of his brain. Seems like Elle was his training partner.

I found it interesting that Sylar took her power, but she still retained it as well. She also felt better after he took it? Swapped a little empathy for her powers??? Who knows...

I thought it was interesting that Hiro was brought back to a 10 year old. Mr. Pitrelli didn't finish taking his powers, which means Hiro had them prior to being 10 years old... Was born with them?

The painter died last season (Isaac), who is still publishing the Comic Book series?

I also don't buy that Claire has the catalyst to complete the power transformation. I would have thought that Hiro or possibly Ando was the Catalyst. It would give Ando's character a real meaning in the context of the show. He seemed to be too major a character to just be Hiro's friend.

[Dagless]

I also don't buy that Claire has the catalyst to complete the power transformation. I would have thought that Hiro or possibly Ando was the Catalyst. It would give Ando's character a real meaning in the context of the show. He seemed to be too major a character to just be Hiro's friend.

I can see that (Ando being a catalyst), but I'm not sure about Claire being one too. Just seems like another + to her character and she's becoming a bit of a Mary Sue.

Wasn't too keen on this episode. It just all seems too higgelty piggelty, why are they after Claire, why has ice woman befriended daddy Petrelli, who was that chap Mohinder was experimenting on, why is the earth going to split, when did speedy woman fall in love with Parkman, how are Hiro's comics still being produced, why are they breaking Sylar... And what did happen to Peter's Irish bit-on-the-side?

[bradl]

Mr. Pitrelli told Sylar that he has had the ability all along, he just needed to use the Empathetic part of his brain. Seems like Elle was his training partner.

I found it interesting that Sylar took her power, but she still retained it as well. She also felt better after he took it? Swapped a little empathy for her powers??? Who knows...


Recall that Elle's power had gone rogue from when Claire's brother had thrown water on her when she tried to shock Claire at the Bennett's house about 5 episodes ago. That was when she started to complain about the 'pain' of it and trying to keep it under control. Sylar took that 'pain' and the rogue part of her power away, leaving her normal power intact.

I do have to admit, Sylar really rubbed me the wrong way the first two seasons, but now I'm really getting to like that character.


I thought it was interesting that Hiro was brought back to a 10 year old. Mr. Pitrelli didn't finish taking his powers, which means Hiro had them prior to being 10 years old... Was born with them?


Would appear so. So apparently, only Tracy, Jessica, Nikki, and Nathan were the 'lab babies' (that we know of).


The painter died last season (Isaac), who is still publishing the Comic Book series?


Good question. Perhaps a loophole they need to (quickly) fill, or they already have that planned out (perhaps the comic book company is run by Primatech.. ironically enough, a paper/publishing company?)..


I also don't buy that Claire has the catalyst to complete the power transformation. I would have thought that Hiro or possibly Ando was the Catalyst. It would give Ando's character a real meaning in the context of the show. He seemed to be too major a character to just be Hiro's friend.

Ando's story has yet to totally develop, so that will come down the road and will be really interesting. Right now, he's just the bro-friend.

What has me wondering, is what Kaito's role in the 'catalyst' is. Arthur just figured out that 'something else' is needed, Angela knows that a catalyst is needed for the formula, but somehow, Kaito is supposed to know what it is? How is Arthur going to get that out of him, unless he can talk to the dead? And if he can, why not just call in Allison DuBois? Medium/Heroes crossover, like they did with Crossing Jordan/Las Vegas? ;)

BL.

[fireshot91]

WITHOUT looking at ANY posts in this thread (I didn't watch Season 3 yet, only 1 & 2). Which season comes out tonight?

[bradl]

WITHOUT looking at ANY posts in this thread (I didn't watch Season 3 yet, only 1 & 2). Which season comes out tonight?

Not knowing where you are geographically, it's hard to say. If you're in the US, we're at least 8 - 9 episodes into season 3.

BL.

[fireshot91]

I'm in Virginia. aaaaaand I saw on T.V that theres a Season Premiere today at 10ish..maybe 9? I saw this commercial yesterday btw.

[bradl]

I'm in Virginia. aaaaaand I saw on T.V that theres a Season Premiere today at 10ish..maybe 9? I saw this commercial yesterday btw.

That's interesting.. Season 3 started either on September 22nd or September 29th (I'm pretty sure it was 9/22). Did you see the Heroes Online commercial? Was this also on NBC? If not, you're looking at another channel that's trying to replay episodes from this season, like G4 or something..

BL.

[fireshot91]

I watched it on Channel 4..NBC. so Its prob not that. but No I didn't check NBC.com or heroes.com or any website. but oh well, I'll catch Seas. 3 on DVD.

[7on]

Good question. Perhaps a loophole they need to (quickly) fill, or they already have that planned out (perhaps the comic book company is run by Primatech.. ironically enough, a paper/publishing company?)..

Issac gave a bunch of unfinished comics to a fan/messenger from the publisher near the end of season 1. Possibly finished them and got them published?

I don't like that explanation about Sylar. If he had the power all along then how is Peter absorbing his powers make any sense whatsoever? The writers all hate their jobs and are trying to get fired IMO.

Also Mr. Petrilli wasn't taking Hiro's power, he was altering his memory and the painting distracted him and then Ando interrupted him before he could finish. This resulted in 10yr old Hiro. He can easily be fixed by Claire's blood or Parkman (maybe the Haiti?)

[bradl]

Issac gave a bunch of unfinished comics to a fan/messenger from the publisher near the end of season 1. Possibly finished them and got them published?

I don't like that explanation about Sylar. If he had the power all along then how is Peter absorbing his powers make any sense whatsoever? The writers all hate their jobs and are trying to get fired IMO.


Big difference between having the power and knowing how to use it. You can't control what you don't know how to control. Somewhere along the way, Sylar had to learn how to control it, as he had when Peter visited him in the future. Peter hadn't learned how to control it, as his was taken away before Sylar learned how to control it.


Also Mr. Petrilli wasn't taking Hiro's power, he was altering his memory and the painting distracted him and then Ando interrupted him before he could finish. This resulted in 10yr old Hiro. He can easily be fixed by Claire's blood or Parkman (maybe the Haiti?)

If the Haitian came in, yes, that would fix it temporarily. But when he leaves, the problem would return. Also keep in mind that the Haitian also has the power to wipe minds clean, so he could do more harm than good.

Claire would heal the body, not the mind. There isn't anything physically wrong with Hiro.

Parkman... That's a chance.. but Angela has a better chance.

BL.

[soberbrain]

Claire would heal the body, not the mind. There isn't anything physically wrong with Hiro.

Linderman fixed Angela's mind/brain with his healing powers and mentioned her brain was scarred every time Mr. Petrelli messed with her memories.

Perhaps, Claire's healing blood will have a restorative effect in removing the scars and returning Hiro's memories.

[Stepper]

Linderman fixed Angela's mind/brain with his healing powers and mentioned her brain was scarred every time Mr. Petrelli messed with her memories.

Perhaps, Claire's healing blood will have a restorative effect in removing the scars and returning Hiro's memories.

Surely Parkman or Angela would of been a better guess, they got the mental strenghts...Claires got the physical strenght...unless she can suddenly heal minds with her blood now aswell, which wouldn't be a surprise as her charecter isn't really going anywhere

[7on]

If the Haitian came in, yes, that would fix it temporarily. But when he leaves, the problem would return. Also keep in mind that the Haitian also has the power to wipe minds clean, so he could do more harm than good.

Claire would heal the body, not the mind. There isn't anything physically wrong with Hiro.

Parkman... That's a chance.. but Angela has a better chance.

BL.

Forgot in season 2 when Peter healed his Haitian memory loss? He was told how to do by Adam Monroe - who has the same powers as Claire - whose blood heals. So I can see it being able to heal the memory.

And I'm assuming the Haitian can restore memories that were taken (hence the question mark)

Angela can only see the future in dreams - she can't go inside someone's head and fix things. Parkman has done this.

[MasterNile]

Recall that Elle's power had gone rogue from when Claire's brother had thrown water on her when she tried to shock Claire at the Bennett's house about 5 episodes ago. That was when she started to complain about the 'pain' of it and trying to keep it under control. Sylar took that 'pain' and the rogue part of her power away, leaving her normal power intact.

Actually Elle's powers started malfunctioning after the people escaped from level 5, she went to Claire's house to find out if Noah knew anything about how to help her.

[Dagless]

How odd that (IMO, of course) the show should get better when they lose their powers.

So we've had quite a few eclipses over the years but its only now they realise that they bring and take powers?

Also will there be a double episode next week?

[bradl]

How odd that (IMO, of course) the show should get better when they lose their powers.


Have to admit.. the last two week's episodes were great. Also, you start to feel the tension between close people, that wasn't really there the first two seasons. It will be interesting to see how that plays out..

Oh.. I'll have to check it tonight (Tivo'd it), but it looks like Maya may be returning.. Wasn't Mohinder looking at her bio?


So we've had quite a few eclipses over the years but its only now they realise that they bring and take powers?


Good point.. Plus retrospectively, you would think that it would have happened before, especially with Hiro. Didn't he use his powers during an eclipse with Kensei/Adam?


Also will there be a double episode next week?

Don't know.. And I don't know about you, but nothing says Eclipses, corn throwing, holding your wee, and "this is totally awesome!" comics than Seth Green. :D

BL.

[Dagless]

Hah! So that was Seth Green? Bit of a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment there, I half blinked and half missed it!

[bradl]

Hah! So that was Seth Green? Bit of a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment there, I half blinked and half missed it!

Oh yeah, that was him. He had a line or two in it as well, and it definitely was his voice. But you knew they'd have to have some sort of response to his spoofing Heroes on Robot Chicken. :)

BL.

[Iscariot]

Okay, so wait a second. The explanation for the powers is just a rehashing of the X-Men, right? They're just "evolved". So why the hell would an eclipse take their powers away…?

[7on]

I don't care what anyone says, Hiro's Slyar Elle moment was the best scene of the season.

[leekohler]

Bye bye Elle. It was nice knowing you!

[Tilpots]

What a violent episode! I had to look away when he pulled out the box cutter...

[GFLPraxis]

Ten year old Hiro owned everyone. That was beautiful.

Notice that Hiro without his memories and Peter without his powers actually seem SMARTER?

[Dagless]

Now we're getting somewhere! Still it's a shame that they got their powers back so soon, I really liked them without powers.

Urgh for the neck cutting scene though. Spooks had a similar scene last night but showed a whole lot more. Needless to say I'll be wearing a scarf from now on :D

[pilotError]

Why didn't Elle fight back? She fended off Sylar once before, but she didn't even try this time.

I thought the Comic shop was great. Dude your freakin me out!

At least we know that Isaac did the last of the comics (he's been dead a long time). Now they need to go find the bike messanger.

Interesting that Hiro and Claire were in the same place. Did anyone catch who her real father was? Was that Mr. Petrelli who handed the baby over?

[leekohler]

Why didn't Elle fight back? She fended off Sylar once before, but she didn't even try this time.

I thought the Comic shop was great. Dude your freakin me out!

At least we know that Isaac did the last of the comics (he's been dead a long time). Now they need to go find the bike messanger.

Interesting that Hiro and Claire were in the same place. Did anyone catch who her real father was? Was that Mr. Petrelli who handed the baby over?

I think Elle was at the end of her rope. It seemed like she depended on Sylar for some kind of redemption, and when she didn't get it, she just gave up.

And It was Hiro's Dad who handed over baby Claire.

[Dagless]

Now they need to go find the bike messanger.
I've already found him.
http://pics.livejournal.com/dcspanner/pic/0000101a/s320x240
You lucky lucky people.
Mega props to whoever gets that reference

[GFLPraxis]

Interesting that Hiro and Claire were in the same place. Did anyone catch who her real father was? Was that Mr. Petrelli who handed the baby over?

That was Kaito Nakamura and Noah Bennett. They handled this scene in the first season before already. She's the child of Nathan Petrelli and Merideth- nobody knew about Nathan, and when Noah was on a bag-and-tag mission to capture Merideth, the house caught on fire during the battle, Merideth appeared to have been killed/disappeared in the fire, and Noah rescued the baby and took it back to the company. At which point, Kaito told him to adopt it (hence that rooftop scene).

[furcalchick]

is it just me, or is it a shame that everything is starting to get going right when things are ending? the writers really need to learn how to get things picked up a bit faster.

loved the comic book store and the geeks, they nailed down that stereotype good, especially the nerd reading the books.

i think powers are driven by the power of the sun in some way, thus losing their powers on the day of black sun. i think the eclipse lasted long enough, showed how they were without their powers and saw another side to them.

one more thing: does anyone think sylar has a variation of the shanti virus in him (i.e. the sylar virus) that causes his victims to have power fluctuations?

[angelneo]

I've already found him.
http://pics.livejournal.com/dcspanner/pic/0000101a/s320x240
You lucky lucky people.
Could I borrow 20 quid?

[Dagless]

Could I borrow 20 quid?
You still owe me 20 quid from last time.


i think powers are driven by the power of the sun in some way, thus losing their powers on the day of black sun. i think the eclipse lasted long enough, showed how they were without their powers and saw another side to them.

If it was then why do powers remain at night? Still wondering why they didn't noticed their powers going during previous eclipses.

[Dagless]

Excellent. Very predictable. But excellent. But now who is is Sylars dad? And are Peter and Nathan his too? Wish they hadn't opened that can of worms as the series is coming to an end :(

So there's only 1 episode left? Nooo :( Hope it's a double length effort.

[Stepper]

Wait, 1 episode left of the season? So we have to wait untill when for the next season to start????

[timerollson]

No, only one more episode left of this chapter.

The next chapter, "Fugitives", premieres in February.

[Dagless]

That's better then.
And Lost kicks back up in late Jan. Awesomes :)

[pilotError]

That was Kaito Nakamura and Noah Bennett. They handled this scene in the first season before already. She's the child of Nathan Petrelli and Merideth- nobody knew about Nathan, and when Noah was on a bag-and-tag mission to capture Merideth, the house caught on fire during the battle, Merideth appeared to have been killed/disappeared in the fire, and Noah rescued the baby and took it back to the company. At which point, Kaito told him to adopt it (hence that rooftop scene).

OK, I'm an idiot...

I knew that but then I didn't... Getting old sucks! LOL

What happened in the last Minute of the last episode? My DVR stopped recording!

[Stepper]

No, only one more episode left of this chapter.

The next chapter, "Fugitives", premieres in February.


phew...I got scared for a sec there lol:D

[7on]

Febuary 2nd!!!! :D


Really good last episode. Ando's power is pretty kickass, as was there way of saving Hiro.

Looking forward to fugitives. And glad for Sylar's death - a new villian is needed anyway.

[furcalchick]

Really good last episode. Ando's power is pretty kickass, as was there way of saving Hiro.

Looking forward to fugitives. And glad for Sylar's death - a new villian is needed anyway.

a bunch of people speculated that ando would have an ability that would enhance others for some time, and i didn't really like the fact that he got a power, but then again, hiro doesn't have his anymore.

talking about abilities, ever notice that super strength and flight seem to be the ones that always come up as the ones the big heroes have (not just on heroes, but in general). i'm wondering if they have the good guys have active abilities (as in ones that can be used in battle) instead of just bad guys having them. it makes the good guys look like losers.

i don't think sylar is dead, but he won't be a major threat for a while i think. sylar doing the opening monologue was a nice touch as well; had the hint of eeriness that mohinder cannot deliver in the message.

i'm starting to think peter is a nut (as in mentally insane) and will probably be the guy in the show that is always teetering on the border of sanity, and set a dividing line between good and bad guys on the show.

quick rant though, i felt the show sometimes tries to be a horror movie, and has been nagging me since the start of the series. i think that element is a hit or miss depending on the viewer, but i think they are doing it more often now (example, severed arm). i'm not a fan of the horror elements, makes the show creep into another genre that it's not, but whatever.

fugitives looks to be a bit x-men ish, but i'll see how things go when it starts. expect lots of promotion during the super bowl, since it airs the day before the new episodes start.

[Dagless]

Why are Claires lines getting cheaper? "baby needs a spanking", what?! Just no!

It all seemed a little too Saw-ish, what with Sylar keeping them locked up whilst he toyed with their sins. Shame we never got to know who his parents were. My guess is Noah but that's more random guessing than anything (as well as future Sylar looking after a kid of the same name, possibly naming after his grandfather).
Guess it also shows that Ando didn't kill Hiro in the future, that he was just 'powering him up'. But I don't like giving Ando powers. Mohinder was better without them too.

Don't know what to make of that episode. Wasn't as good as the build up over the last few episodes though, IMO at least.

[leekohler]

Febuary 2nd!!!! :D


Really good last episode. Ando's power is pretty kickass, as was there way of saving Hiro.

Looking forward to fugitives. And glad for Sylar's death - a new villian is needed anyway.

I liked it too, but we have to wait til February? Oh no!

[2nyRiggz]

I'm so lost this season....I'm actually watching every episode but it seems so scattered that it doesn't hold my attention. I guess I'll have to wait until it comes out on Blu-Ray.



Bless

[timerollson]

So, Heroes returned tonight, well yesterday....

Overall, thought the episode was good. I like the consolidated storyline. I'm glad Sylar is back.


Anyone else see it? Thoughts?

[bradl]

So, Heroes returned tonight, well yesterday....

Overall, thought the episode was good. I like the consolidated storyline. I'm glad Sylar is back.


Anyone else see it? Thoughts?


I liked it. You can definitely see where the lines have been drawn with the cast of the main characters. I like that there is more conflict between them instead of all of them just going after Sylar. What we didn't see was the person who ended up being blown out of the airplane. This episode does set itself up for their own miniature version of Lost, but overall, very consistent.

As far as humour.. I liked the commercial during the Super Bowl. That was bloody brilliant. I'm waiting for Elway to make an appearance now.. However.. I wonder which ST cast member will make an appearance this season!

BL.

[timerollson]

I liked it. You can definitely see where the lines have been drawn with the cast of the main characters. I like that there is more conflict between them instead of all of them just going after Sylar. What we didn't see was the person who ended up being blown out of the airplane. This episode does set itself up for their own miniature version of Lost, but overall, very consistent.

I completely forgot that someone was blown out of the plane. I wonder which character. If I'm not mistaken, that person's goggles/mask was still on, correct?

So, it couldn't have been Hiro or Mohinder. I don't remember if Niki (or whatever her name is) had her mask off. Could it have been Parkman?

[Dagless]

Every face that was shown had kept their mask off, my guess is that it was just a "nobody". Given all the people with powers out there it would be surprising if they all already knew each other when on the plane.

I liked that. But in the first few scenes with Claire I couldn't help but look away from her Ronald MacDonald lips :D

Not happy about Sylar coming back for the squillionth time or them making Noah into a bad guy but liked the action and pacing of the episode.

[furcalchick]

for some reason, this season has failed to spike my interest. i'm thinking it's just first show jitters, but it feels flat. i do like that all of the plotlines were streamlined into 2 (sylar and everyone else) instead of jumping all over the place. i think the show is losing it.

[atszyman]

I completely forgot that someone was blown out of the plane. I wonder which character. If I'm not mistaken, that person's goggles/mask was still on, correct?

So, it couldn't have been Hiro or Mohinder. I don't remember if Niki (or whatever her name is) had her mask off. Could it have been Parkman?

Parkman, and the Nikki/Jessica/whatever this one's name is all had their masks off, so the flyboy was a "nobody" as far as we're concerned. Of course since the government ambushed Sylar at his biological dad's home, and his biological dad probably has powers it could have been him? Anyone else think Sylar's dad's power might be animating inanimate objects? Hence the taxidermy career? Plenty of defenders if someone tries to come by.

And it looks as though Peter is now limited to one power at a time that has to come from whomever he last touched. His old power only required proximity to someone with powers and now relies on touch as well...

[Lava Lamp Freak]

Is anyone else disappointed with this chapter of Heroes? I'm not even sure I'm going to continue watching it. It is like the just make this stuff up as they go with no planning. The only character I even care about anymore is Sylar. I loved his line to Luke in this week's episode. "I didn't kill you, and that's kind of big deal for me."

[Cynicalone]

This show is dying a slow death. It is dead last in the ratings. This is probably the last season. It is kinda sad since at one time it was a good show. I can't see NBC keeping this on the air much longer since they are now competing with the CW for last place on Monday night.

Here is a link to the monday ratings (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings020909,0,1598091.story).

[Dagless]

I don't know what to make of it. I like Sylar being partnered up with a kid, reminds me of X-Men in a way with Magneto gathering his cronies.

IMO it should have just been 1 series. The first was so brilliant. I think they took it too far in giving/taking powers.

[atszyman]

How many times can they milk the "someone's after the Heroes, both sides have Heroes working for them, let's keep it somewhat ambiguous as to who the good and bad guys are" plot lines?

[furcalchick]

Is anyone else disappointed with this chapter of Heroes? I'm not even sure I'm going to continue watching it. It is like the just make this stuff up as they go with no planning. The only character I even care about anymore is Sylar. I loved his line to Luke in this week's episode. "I didn't kill you, and that's kind of big deal for me."

i'm feeling the same way. it's very flat and uninteresting. it's like the same plots rehashed over again from current events, previous seasons and comic books. i've been taping heroes the past two weeks while watching 24 with the family and if next week's show stinks, let's say i won't be upset if the tape recorder breaks.:rolleyes:

This show is dying a slow death. It is dead last in the ratings. This is probably the last season. It is kinda sad since at one time it was a good show. I can't see NBC keeping this on the air much longer since they are now competing with the CW for last place on Monday night.

Here is a link to the monday ratings (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings020909,0,1598091.story).

i would give heroes one more season (partly because we saw how good it could be), but start the season in january on sunday nights following football to help the ratings and give the writers a few more months to really plan this out. if it's still flat and dull and ratings drop even further, cut it loose.

I don't know what to make of it. I like Sylar being partnered up with a kid, reminds me of X-Men in a way with Magneto gathering his cronies.

IMO it should have just been 1 series. The first was so brilliant. I think they took it too far in giving/taking powers.

one of the original plans of the series was to feature a different set of people each year instead of the same folks all of the time, but since the stars got so big, they were kept on for more stories with that set. and when the show reached the point of no return i think was when it became the claire and family show in the last arc.

How many times can they milk the "someone's after the Heroes, both sides have Heroes working for them, let's keep it somewhat ambiguous as to who the good and bad guys are" plot lines?

let me add to that list: prophet that paints the future, world in peril, new york is the center, claire doesn't trust her dad. there's little growth since season 1. this show is full of problems, and i think short of a reset starting at the end of season 1, there's not alot of hope of plugging them all up.

one of the main problems is i think is the cast is too large, leading to 40 different stories to follow, which is overload (anything more than 2-3 storylines per show can be considered overload). i personally think a few more people should have been killed/written off after season 1. i'll post something a bit later of what i think are the major problems in the show and when i thought the show was doomed.

[Dagless]

How many times can they milk the "someone's after the Heroes, both sides have Heroes working for them, let's keep it somewhat ambiguous as to who the good and bad guys are" plot lines?

How many times is Claire going to be the focus and save the day?

[barr08]

How many times is Claire going to be the focus and save the day?

Probably many more times - she has the biggest appeal in the show by far, some might call her the main character.

I really like this show. I enjoyed the 3rd chapter very much - I have probably watched the episode where Peter goes into the future with future Peter and sees Sylar the dad like 10 times. That episode blew me away.

However, I seem to be the only one of my friends still interested in the show. When you have options on Monday like 24, it's hard for someone who isn't a really dedicated heroes fan to tune in. I think the combination of unlucky timing opposite one of America's most popular shows, along with tired story lines, is going to brun this show to the ground.

It's a damn shame, too. The first season was so amazing, and I have really enjoyed seeing all the cool things everyone can do.

I will stick it out one more season, then we'll reevaluate.

Edit: one thing that is killing it for me is the time traveling. I love it when they go into the future, I really like seeing what everyone is up to and how they have changed, but there have been so many different visions of the future in the series, it's hard to take any of them seriously.

[atszyman]

Does anyone know what happened to Micah, his cousin with the ability to mimic anything she saw, and Molly?

[furcalchick]

Does anyone know what happened to Micah, his cousin with the ability to mimic anything she saw, and Molly?

written out.

anyways, i thought the 'is noah good or bad' storyline has been played out too long, they should have either made him stay good after season 1 or kept his loyalty ambiguous to keep us off track. claire and her dad's relationship has not been any good at all and hasn't grown any.

btw, anyone think the sylar storyline is mostly a way to keep him on the show essentially forever? a villain like him gets tiring after a while after he's caught.

the nathan/tracey storyline was pretty good, and probably the best parts of the show.

the show is doomed.

[atszyman]

written out.


Micah, and the cousin, I can live without... Molly was an odd disappearance since she used to be in the care of Parkman and Suresh, then all of a sudden they were both out doing hero things and she was gone...

They just need to get Peter his powers back and have the rest of the season be a knock down drag out fight between the heroes and villains. The only reason Peter needs his powers back is that he'd be the only one capable of going head to head with Sylar and having a shot.

Question, since Peter can only hold onto the power of the last person he touched would he have all of Sylar's powers if the two made contact?

[Dagless]

Question, since Peter can only hold onto the power of the last person he touched would he have all of Sylar's powers if the two made contact?

I'd imagine so, since when Sylar takes powers he seems to keep them forever.

This is really going down hill. I'm still going to watch it mind.

[chuckcalo]

Who do you guys think Rebel is? My guess is someone with the ability to locate people with special abilities.

And what ever happened to the Flash girl ? She died and Parkman just forgot about her? Didn't Suresh lost his abilities? What's he doing as a hostage?

And we saw what Nathan did using Tracy as a bait so Peter can run.

I think The Hunter has abilities.

[macjram]

Who do you guys think Rebel is? My guess is someone with the ability to locate people with special abilities.

And what ever happened to the Flash girl ? She died and Parkman just forgot about her? Didn't Suresh lost his abilities? What's he doing as a hostage?

And we saw what Nathan did using Tracy as a bait so Peter can run.

I think The Hunter has abilities.

Rebel? Molly, the little girl, can locate people.

Flash girl is dead, what can he do?

Suresh still has super strength.

Is The Hunter Claire's dad? If so, I think so too.

[chuckcalo]

Rebel? Molly, the little girl, can locate people.

Flash girl is dead, what can he do?

Suresh still has super strength.

Is The Hunter Claire's dad? If so, I think so too.

No, The Hunter is that bald guy who works with Nathan and can't stand him. As for Molly I thought she was dead.

[furcalchick]

No, The Hunter is that bald guy who works with Nathan and can't stand him. As for Molly I thought she was dead.

molly got sent away to india or something.

[atszyman]

No, The Hunter is that bald guy who works with Nathan and can't stand him. As for Molly I thought she was dead.

Not dead as far as I know, abandoned maybe, but I don't recall her dying.

[TBi]

Is it just me or does Heroes seem to be written by 5 year olds this series? The dialog is so bad that the actors look pained when saying it. It was even more painful watching it.

I have to check how many of the writers from the older seasons are still there.

At least battlestar galactica is there to keep me entertained and lost is there to... well... keep me lost :D

[timerollson]

I think this half of the season is infinitely better than last half. I appreciate the consolidated story line. The writing is already starting to get better. Last week's episode was more character driven as will be the episode that premieres on Monday. Seriously, Claire was considerably less annoying last week. HRG is always great. Nathan is playing his role perfectly. If they can sustain a good character development balanced out with action, they might just keep up interest for another season.

My gripes are still with this Ali Larter character(s) still existing as well as the relationship between Hiro and Ando. I've gotten over the hokey laugh bits after the 1st season. Now, that Hiro doesn't have a power, he's becoming this self-obsessed caricature of his former self. Write him out or give him a power so he and Ando can become the superheroes he so desperately wants them to be.

As far as Tracy or whatever her name is this time, it upsets me to know she's not getting written out. I wish they would stop milking her multiple personality crazy lady clone disorder. Supposedly, she's getting a more significant role next season.

And if REBEL is who I think it is, that's going to suck. *cough* MICAH *cough*

[Dagless]

And if REBEL is who I think it is, that's going to suck. *cough* MICAH *cough*

I think it was when Claire was getting the first few txts, I was thinking that Claire took the usual amount of time to reply but the replies were instant. I don't know if that was just TV shows being lame or yea, that could be Micah doing his magic higgeryjiggery with electronics.

[atszyman]

As far as Tracy or whatever her name is this time, it upsets me to know she's not getting written out. I wish they would stop milking her multiple personality crazy lady clone disorder. Supposedly, she's getting a more significant role next season.


To be fair, I'm pretty certain that the Nikki/Jessica character is dead, so no more multiple personalities/super strength woman. Tracy is the second of triplets that we know of. I've seen a lot of people who think that Nikki and Jessica were the other two, but from what I've seen, Jessica was a sister via adoption, so we still have one more Ali Larter character power that we need to find.

Rebel is going to be 2 characters, Micah for the tech access, Molly for the location of the target.

[barr08]

Rebel is going to be 2 characters, Micah for the tech access, Molly for the location of the target.

The third generation of heroes starting to work together like the first and second generations did. I can dig that

[chuckcalo]

Yeah I never thought about Micah. But I'm not sure because he never 'got to meet' the heroes. We just have to wait and see, hopefully it won't be disappointing.

[pilotError]

Yeah I never thought about Micah. But I'm not sure because he never 'got to meet' the heroes. We just have to wait and see, hopefully it won't be disappointing.

Maybe Micah is the Rebel. His expertise was manipulating electronics. He can probably see their plans on the computer and texts Claire :rolleyes:

The show really did take a left turn this year... I can't see this lasting much longer. Sylar is about the only interesting character left anymore. I wish he'd off his little brother there... He's really annoying.

[Oneness]

After watching last weeks show (2-16-09) and the Keystone Cops routinue that was the plane crash I now dub Heroes the new A-Team!!
Congrats to whoever is responsible for making a show that had such potential into just another piece of Hollywood dribble. :mad:

[barr08]

I was thinking about this last night - do ya'll remember one of the seasons (I forget which one) where, in the future, HRG was helping people with abilities make new lives for themselves? There was some sort of test that used paper - if the paper turned a certain color, you have abilities. I think that this future is going to apply to what is going on right now. Eventually, they will develop the paper testing technique, then it will come to surface that Nathan is a "hero", and he will be ostracized. HRG will start a movement (in primatech) to help all the people he has wronged.

[furcalchick]

heroes just jumped the shark. a picture of a major city exploding/on fire/in peril painted on the floor of issac's apartment as prophecy. hmm...where have we seen that one before? let's add in the other pictures of the future and matt turning into a nutcase to that due to those pictures.

most of the rest of the show was forgettable, it had too much of an 'it's been done' feel all show and i didn't really get into it.

I was thinking about this last night - do ya'll remember one of the seasons (I forget which one) where, in the future, HRG was helping people with abilities make new lives for themselves? There was some sort of test that used paper - if the paper turned a certain color, you have abilities. I think that this future is going to apply to what is going on right now. Eventually, they will develop the paper testing technique, then it will come to surface that Nathan is a "hero", and he will be ostracized. HRG will start a movement (in primatech) to help all the people he has wronged.

that was an alternate future in season 1's 'five years gone' that never came to pass.

[Dagless]

Floor painting of a different city going up in smoke? Yawn.

And what did them flashbacks show that we didn't already know? Other than acting as some kind of dull filler whilst the only interesting thing this series (Sylar and his pops) isn't mentioned at all.

[barr08]

I was losing faith, but I found this week's ep to be pretty compelling. Some good story advancement, a few awesome uses of powers (specifically sweet mind-reading), and the awesome Sylar story...Some pretty cool stuff

[fireshot91]

What was the number of this weeks episode?
(In season 3 please).
I've been watching it on Netflix, and and am up to Episode...19 I think.

[Wiska]

Floor painting of a different city going up in smoke? Yawn.
The show lost the plot, has gone downhill since the first season.

I've officially stopped watching Heroes.

[Dagless]

I was losing faith, but I found this week's ep to be pretty compelling. Some good story advancement, a few awesome uses of powers (specifically sweet mind-reading), and the awesome Sylar story...Some pretty cool stuff

It did pick up a bit, they weren't just fannying around moping about their current predicament. It's still as dull as trees though.

If this was Lost I'd be wondering about Claire+fishboy getting caught in some time loop and becoming her adopting parents (thingy and Noah).

[timerollson]

The little kid with Sylar needs to jump off of a tall edifice and land in a cactus field.

[furcalchick]

this week's show was better than the last few...but the show still isn't too interesting. i'll watch the rest of the season, but i'm not sure if to keep watching the show afterwards. i'm going towards no.

i think the best way to save the show is to move it to sunday nights and start the new season in january.

[Dagless]

Guh. That scene in the comic book shop was painstakingly poor, "what sort of hero are you?". Meeting with Sylars dad was also much too predictable. Nothing out of the ordinary. Claire cannot carry the show, I don't know why they keep making her the main good guy when all she can muster is 95% angry scowl and 5% relieved smile.

But the ending redeemed it for me. For the first time in months I'm interested in the plot again. And I mean the ending with Nathan, not the Hiro/Ando bit which I really don't care much about right now (babies, really?).

[obeygiant]

They should introduce this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kibNqrSyNwM) as a new hero to "spice up" the show. :)

[Surely]

Claire cannot carry the show, I don't know why they keep making her the main good guy when all she can muster is 95% angry scowl and 5% relieved smile.


:D Couldn't have said it any better myself. What range! She annoys me.

I stopped watching a few weeks ago when the painting of Washington on fire was on the floor of Issac's apartment. Who's paying the rent for that place anyway?

I don't even know why I watched that episode- it was hard to sit through.

Too bad, that show had potential- it was so good. The writers totally screwed that show. This season started out like Con Air and became the new Prison Break.

[pilotError]

Guh. That scene in the comic book shop was painstakingly poor, "what sort of hero are you?".

Grrrr, they should have brought in Kevin Smith as a guest writer or at least someone who understands comics. The whole scene was pathetic. They could've gone on the internet and picked up better dialog off a comic forum than that.

Looks like they are phoning in the dialog these days.

At least Sylar is still a bright spot on the show. Looks like he is just evil is inherited from dear old dad. The whole "I just didn't need you" thing was a cop out.

[chuckcalo]

Nathan is Rebel, he is the only one who has access to the government files and he does know where every hero is. Remember when Rebel texted Claire saying her free pass was off? He was there outside her window.

[barr08]

Nathan is Rebel, he is the only one who has access to the government files and he does know where every hero is. Remember when Rebel texted Claire saying her free pass was off? He was there outside her window.

I think that's what they want you to guess. This has been said a few times in this thread, but I am going to reiterate that I think rebel is Micah. Notice that all of the messages are on electronic devices, which fits really well with his powers, since he can control electronics! Since everything today is run through technology, Micah has access to just about all the information he would ever want. I think he may be working with Molly as the new generation of heroes - Molly finds them and Micah contacts them.

[nateDEEZY]

Molly + Micah would be pretty interesting if they turned out to be REBEL. Maybe the show has some hope?

Anyways I'm starting to dislike Hero's more and more this season =/ How is it they made that many mistakes with the show.

[chuckcalo]

I used to think the same but I've came to a conclusion that it really doesn't make sense that is played by Mikah + Molly. Molly is somewhere in India and Mikah we don't know about him, he doesn't even know the Heroes are "being captured" as the mission is secretly being held by Nathan. They gave us a hint when we found out it was Nathan who showed Tracy that message on the screen saying "There's hope". Also I'm following one of the director's twitter and someone pointed out that Nathan was rebel and he replied "That's a very good observation" also someone asked about Molly and he went like "You'll have to wait and see".

All roads lead to Rome.

[tecknical]

i dont see this show surviving much longer if they dont get some better writing and tie up some loose ends. there are so many characters that just disappeared never to be heard from again (like molly and micah). the story is getting way too convoluted for my taste.

[barr08]

I used to think the same but I've came to a conclusion that it really doesn't make sense that is played by Mikah + Molly. Molly is somewhere in India and Mikah we don't know about him, he doesn't even know the Heroes are "being captured" as the mission is secretly being held by Nathan. They gave us a hint when we found out it was Nathan who showed Tracy that message on the screen saying "There's hope". Also I'm following one of the director's twitter and someone pointed out that Nathan was rebel and he replied "That's a very good observation" also someone asked about Molly and he went like "You'll have to wait and see".

All roads lead to Rome.

Perhaps when Nathan realized it was getting out of hand, he contacted Micah. Maybe he didn't include Micah in the original hit list of heroes as an insurance policy if things went sour. Molly may not be involved, but Nathan could serve the same exact purpose, as he has the exact same info the evil intiative does.

[Dagless]

I suspected Micah a while back when Claire got instant replies to her text messages, but that hacker breach a couple of episodes ago with Parkman/Peter in the building? Definitely Micah without any doubt. They are likely using the pinnacle of security. Nathan couldn't have done that (not a technical person).

Micah is involved somewhere. Nathan likely knows about Rebel. Molly though? I'm not sure, people have speculated her because of her finding skills but if Micah busted into their network he would know where they all are.

[TBi]

I remember something about txt's from way back when Matt Parkman met the exploding man (don't remember his name but he was nuclear). Remember the girl who took the chip out of his neck? Or showed it to them?

[chuckcalo]

We won't know until the next episode. I must say, Heroes is getting interesting again.

Here are the links for one of the Director's tweeter and Grunny's tweeter (Matt Parkman):

http://twitter.com/olivergrigsby

http://twitter.com/greggrunberg

[furcalchick]

last night's show was the best in a while. finally, the writers not afraid to kill main characters, but i find daphne's to be kinda strange. did the infections get her or was it the gunshot wound (if it was, she should have been dead a long time ago).

micah being rebel wasn't a shock, but i wonder if he's working with someone else...no way he's doing this alone.

[nateDEEZY]

last night's show was the best in a while. finally, the writers not afraid to kill main characters, but i find daphne's to be kinda strange. did the infections get her or was it the gunshot wound (if it was, she should have been dead a long time ago).

micah being rebel wasn't a shock, but i wonder if he's working with someone else...no way he's doing this alone.

Don't be so sure... I don't know if you noticed nikki (or whatever) winked as she was melting into the drain... So who knows?

[timerollson]

Ali Larter has not been killed off. It's been confirmed she'll have a major role in volume 4. That's the fakeout death of the season. Daphne's death was a little sad though but I'm glad Fuller came back and tied up some loose ends, rather than create new ones.

The actor who plays Parkman confirmed another major death at the end of the season, and my guesses are either Nathan, Sylar or Angela Petrelli.

[Dany M]

God this show.....:(

:(

It is realy pushing me away, iv been with the show since it's start but it has been getting really pointless and bad

[pilotError]

Well I called Micah, it wasn't a big stretch...

Sorry to see Daphne go, she was kind of cute and bubbly.

We still haven't met the third sister (of ali larter's characters), so I suspect she is who shows up next season.

Matt Parkman's baby? I did forget about that (they did tell us that didn't they).
Baby Touch and Go???

I'm glad to see Hero get some of his powers back. His character was dying a very dull death. Glad to see Ando has better powers now, instead of supercharging other peoples powers.

Maybe the show is turning a corner, but my level of interest is getting harder to keep up.

[Dany M]

Maybe the show is turning a corner, but my level of interest is getting harder to keep up.

I feel exactly the same

[chuckcalo]

Well some spoilers:

- We won't be seeing more Time-traveling from Hiro.
- Ando's supercharger ability still have some things that we may find interesting.
- Peter affirmed that his character is going to die because of his other schedules with movies, etc. Proof (http://mrtheodi.iimmgg.com/image/9903b203d0ec5f107af899b9fe5b726d)
- Claude is coming back (Invisible Man).

And, people keep saying that Danko have abilities too.

Here is the link where I got the spoilers from:

http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/

Discuss.

[furcalchick]

Well some spoilers:
http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/

Discuss.

please at least hide the spoilers for those that actually don't want to read it and actually enjoy the show.