New Displays Tomorrow?

[MacRumors]

According to some reports... Apple may release display updates tomorrow.

No details available, but previous rumors have included a 30" display (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/10/20031008143622.shtml).

[NusuniAdmin]

a new monitor would kick!

[iriejedi]

a 30inch display - cool!

Do you think they will take cash only, or will Apple now be accepting Kidneys and other barterable organs in order to sell their products?

:-)

[Toppa G's]

Originally posted by iriejedi
Do you think they will take cash only, or will Apple now be accepting Kidneys and other barterable organs in order to sell their products?

:-)

Things will start costing an arm and a leg. :eek:

With a 23" at $2000, how much more pricey can you go without being absurd? Although it was more expensive before...

[Fuchal]

Maybe if they dropped the prices... I'd pay $2000 for 30" but not more.

[pgwalsh]

I'd say a 30" display will cost between $3500 and $4000. Anymore and forget it.. 4K is pricey.

[wymer100]

My prediction if Apple does release the displays: they'll probably sell a 30in about $2500, drop the 20in to $1000, and 22in to $1300. Apple won't sell the 30in one for more than $3k or very few people will buy them. Didn't the original 20in display cost about $2500?

[Freg3000]

Aluminum displays anyone?

Last year, new displays coincided with new Power Macs. Interesting....

[nico_rep_nico]

please god,please god.please god.please god.please god.please godv.v..v.please godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease god. i need to get rid of my 17inch crt sony hmda200.....its got a damn grey tone to the colors.........pleaseplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease god

im not really excited i just got approved for a 2000 dollar limit at compusa.....

pleaase do it i need it...my eyes are bleeding

[Doctor Q]

I need a new monitor and I'd love to have an Apple display, but I'm afraid that food and shelter still come first in the priorites (yeah, I know, it's a close call), so a new Apple display won't be in my budget just yet.

[applekid]

Interesting how the old 30" rumor thread resurfaced just today and now this announcement.

[DHagan4755]

The question is will it be just a display or could it have a dual purpose, like switching over as a TV hookup?

[numediaman]

Sorry to say this, but . . . there is absolutely zero evidence that any new displays will be announced tomorrow (or anything else for that matter). Where did this thread spring up, anyway?

[crees!]

Even if the price seems ridiculous at first remember prices will come down. Heck, remember how much a 1x DVD-R drive cost at first? It was a crazy amount of money.. now they just cost pennies.

[Steven1621]

hopefully new mice and keyboards come out as well. i don't think the white really matches with the metal G5 at all.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by numediaman
Sorry to say this, but . . . there is absolutely zero evidence that any new displays will be announced tomorrow (or anything else for that matter). Where did this thread spring up, anyway?

I agree - watch.............nothing is gonna happen

[njfuzzy]

The cheapest 30" LCD product I can find (in a quick look, I admit) is $2800, and it is a brand I have never heard of. I also see an NEC model for over $4000.

Why do people expect Apple to charge $2500, then? I suspect the Apple product will sell for no less than $3500-- and clearly, people are buying 30" displays at that price point.

Also, remember that the biggest display barely needs to sell. It is in the line for the sake of the brand image, and to lure in people who will decide they can only afford the next one down. Apple would only need to sell a relatively small number of the top of the line display.

In general, arguments that randomly pick a price point and say "Nobody will pay more than XXXXX" are really just statements that the author wouldn't pay more than XXXXX.

[snofseth]

the 23 is actualy a good deal the sony 23 is much more by atleast $300. The only one that has a little ify price is the 17, but maybe new displays also mean something else new that would be nice

[.a]

... and does a new powermac g5 come along with this display?
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[yoman]

if the current models will be kept as such

17,20,23 plus NEW 30

or

17Wide,20HD,23HD, NEW 30HD all with holographic projectors :)

[adamfilip]

The only issue i can see is if they offer a new 30" display will videocards in current Macs be able to support the higher resolution.

my guess 3200x1600

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by njfuzzy
The cheapest 30" LCD product I can find (in a quick look, I admit) is $2800, and it is a brand I have never heard of. I also see an NEC model for over $4000.

Why do people expect Apple to charge $2500, then? I suspect the Apple product will sell for no less than $3500-- and clearly, people are buying 30" displays at that price point.

Also, remember that the biggest display barely needs to sell. It is in the line for the sake of the brand image, and to lure in people who will decide they can only afford the next one down. Apple would only need to sell a relatively small number of the top of the line display.

In general, arguments that randomly pick a price point and say "Nobody will pay more than XXXXX" are really just statements that the author wouldn't pay more than XXXXX.

I 2nd that.........

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by yoman
if the current models will be kept as such

17,20,23 plus NEW 30

or

17Wide,20HD,23HD, NEW 30HD all with holographic projectors :)

Well - now that being the case - I'd pay $3-$4k for the holographic projector - but ONLY if the new G5 come with a food replicator and a sonic shower so that I get every minute I can with the new set up - you know... dollar cost down the cost per minute of use!

[pascalpp]

Originally posted by wymer100
Didn't the original 20in display cost about $2500?

The original Cinema Display that Apple released was at MacWorld San Francisco in January 1999. (i'm pretty sure, but it might have been 2000.) anyway, it was a 22inch model that cost $4000. i bought one cuz i was makin a lot of money at the time. fortunately it's still working...

[Sol]

All the high-end displays are now wide-screens. I wonder if the low-end will be changed to that as well. A wide-screen Apple display that costs the same as my 15" did when I bought it would be quite the novelty. Gamers like me could use the wide-screen display as the main display and a CRT monitor for the games.

[mxpiazza]

i love how just when things start to become affordable to the masses, apple bumps the line up to knock off the lowest end model :) oh well, i still buy the pricey stuff anyways. gotta love apple.

[Sol]

Originally posted by mxpiazza
i love how just when things start to become affordable to the masses, apple bumps the line up to knock off the lowest end model :) oh well, i still buy the pricey stuff anyways. gotta love apple.

Maybe you should wait until these displays are announced before ccriticising Apple for anything. At this point no-one knows what Apple will do.

[mxpiazza]

dude, take it easy, i'm basing this on fact, not some conspiracy theory. right when 15" LCD monitors started falling into the price range where they were affordable for ALL computer buyers, they were dropped from the lineup. If and when the current line is updated, the 17 will most likely be dropped as the 15 was last time, right when 17" LCD monitors are starting to become more affordable.

as i said in my above post (although you evidently just read and hear what you want), i buy what they release, regardless, because i feel their superior product is worth the price, but not so for EVERYONE. but i guess EVERYONE dosen't apply, because all consumer-level apple desktops come with a built in monitor. anyways, long story short, go rock some st. john's wort or something, don't bite my head off for no reason. thanks.

[supercres]

I think there are two important updates to be made at this point -- more important (heresy, i know) than a 30" display.

First, a smaller widescreen display, the size of the 17" PB display (same one as the 17" iMac, right?

Second, thinner borders. That inch around the screen really makes it look a lot smaller and more klunky than a similar Sony or NEC. Unimportant? Maybe, but it's keeping me from buying an Apple-branded display.

Just my 2 cents.

[adamfilip]

i agree i want a super thin edge.. like no more then an 1/8" from the screen.
so you can butt two screens together and almost have a seamless image

or what if they came out with borderless screens what would be sweet!

apple can innovate that would be awesome

[ffakr]

Apple's always been competitive on the high end of LCD prices.
When the 22" models were released they cost a bundle, but they were the biggest LCDs you could get...
Apple lowered prices, other vendors came out with big big LCD (including a couple 24" models that were like $1000 more).
Apple was always competitive on the high end (shocked the heck out of me).

Then, last January, Apple shocked the crap out of everyone by dropping the 22" for the 23" and selling the 23" for more than $500 less than the 22".

Apple won't release a 30" LCD if it's priced so high that no one buys it. If they do ship a 30" tomorrow (or soon), I think the 23" will come down and they'll break new ground with the 30". Too bad the 17" LCDs will still be too expensive. :-(

I'm not saying I think there is a 30" lcd around the corner though... Unless SJ changes his mind about converging TV and computers, I think that's way too big for anything but a very few, very small niche markets. You have to pick the mouse up already just to get across a 23".

but what the hell do I know.

[swissmann]

Some people will buy it because it is the biggest, best, most expensive and it comes from Apple. I have an uncle that just bought a Dual G5 and maxed it out in every way and bought the 23 inch Apple display. If the top of the line had been a single 700 MHz G4 and a 15 inch display he would have bought that. Nevermind being in the middle and buying a Dual 1.8 G5 and 20 inch display with not all the upgrades. Why? His answer. If I'm going to do it I'm going all out. He will do about an hour Final Cut Pro project on it every 3 weeks. He isn't rich either. Just so you know some people will buy the best even if it doesn't make sense. If I were rich or insensible I'd buy a couple of 30 inchers on day one. I'm neither rich nor that insensible.

I hope the 20" gets a dramatic price cut. That is something that I will be able to afford.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by swissmann
I have an uncle that just bought a Dual G5 and maxed it out in every way and bought the 23 inch Apple display.

... He isn't rich either.

Perhaps not rich, but I would say VERY well-off then! Either that or not very good with his money, no offence. I just priced out a maxed Dual 2.0 GHz G5 and the total came to the following:

• Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5
• 8GB DDR400 SDRAM (PC3200) - 8x1GB
• 2x250GB Serial ATA - 7200rpm
• ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
• Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel)
• AirPort Extreme Card
• Bluetooth Module
• 56k V.92 internal modem
• SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
• Apple Keyboard & Apple Mouse - U.S. English
• Mac OS X - U.S. English

Subtotal $10,922.00

Oh, and even though you said he maxed it out in every way, I left off the $500 Fibre Channel card, assuming he didn't get that. ;)

So, add on speakers, etc., along with Final Cut Pro (another few thousand $$$), then add on the taxes, and well, I could buy a nice used car for that amount!

What exactly does your uncle do, how does he honestly justify such a purchase, and what's your definition of rich? ;)

[aswitcher]

Originally posted by ffakr
SNIP

Apple won't release a 30" LCD if it's priced so high that no one buys it. If they do ship a 30" tomorrow (or soon), I think the 23" will come down and they'll break new ground with the 30". Too bad the 17" LCDs will still be too expensive. :-(

I'm not saying I think there is a 30" lcd around the corner though... Unless SJ changes his mind about converging TV and computers, I think that's way too big for anything but a very few, very small niche markets. You have to pick the mouse up already just to get across a 23".

but what the hell do I know.

Well I think there is a market for the 30" but I agree for the time being its very small and I think there are going to be significant issues regarding graphics cards that can properly support them. But mouse problems are likely to be the least of the deterents to Apple putting it out. ;0

I can't see them dropping the 17, except lets hope the price, unless they put out the 20 at a price close to the 17 currently. That would definetely cause many to take note and would be in the vein of Apple's original Mac, which was a computer for the masses. :D

As for form factor change, that is long overdue.

Jason

[jrv3034]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Subtotal $10,922.00
So, add on speakers, etc., along with Final Cut Pro (another few thousand $$$), then add on the taxes, and well, I could buy a nice used car for that amount!

Heck, for that price you can buy a nice NEW car!

I hope they update the form factor; aluminum would be great, and using the iMac arm/hinge thing would be brilliant.

Even if they don't changee the form factor, though, adding a 30" and dropping the other prices would be very sweet!:D

[dho]

a built in isight or mic would be cool

however unlikely that may be


too bad my cube can barely handle 1024 X 768

its a great machine anyway

[Dippo]

Sometimes these very late reports have some truth to them.

It has been a year since their update, so I guess they are due.

[Chomolungma]

I went to Best Buy today and saw a 30" Sharp TV for $2699. I think the LCD resolution is 1200 X 900, but don't quote me.

It wouldn't surprise me, if Apple includes TV functionality in this "rumor" 30" display.

Saw the 20" iMac for the first time today. I really think this is the ideal screen size for computer work. I know our secretary would like to have this instead of her 18" dell display! An awesome computer!

-Chomo

[reyesmac]

I have been waiting for new displays to finally come out for a while now. The ones currently sold are just too old to justify paying the same price as they did when they came out (except the 23, that did get a major price cut, but I have seen it in action and I will pass).

30" will be around $4k and I would not be surprised if it was more expensive than that. If Apple is the only one selling them, it will be.

What I have been waiting for is a new design and a price cut. Hope they don't pull any "works only on the G5" kind of requirement, I wouldn't put it past them.

Maybe they will do a 20th anniversary monitor with surround sound center and L/R channels built in with two satellite rear speakers...and only works on the G5.

[mxpiazza]

i believe that it was very recent that SJ said that 'when you're at your computer, you're a foot from it, and when you're at the tv, you're 20 feet away from it, that's why TVs and computers shouldn't mix' or something to that effect, so i highly doubt he'd contradict himself and just do something else to drive up the price point of an already pricey LCD. if the width of the bezel around the screen wasn't so darn much, then placing two next to eachother would be much more practical... say 1.5" on each, that's 3 inches on a 'continuous' screen... i know a 3 inch bar in the middle of my workspace, especially if i was working on a movie/photoshop, would drive me nuts. maybe that's who these new 30's are being produced for, people who need expansive screen space w/o any interruption.

i'd love to see the new LCD's with a new form factor and more attractive price point, but unless it's like a miss february-like attractive price point, one won't be gracing my desk for a while.

[jnasato]

Woo, 30"! I can't afford that or even use that, but...

Maybe Apple will amaze the market again and release some 50"+.
A $4995 Apple 30" is so predictable...

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Chomolungma
I went to Best Buy today and saw a 30" Sharp TV for $2699. I think the LCD resolution is 1200 X 900, but don't quote me.

Well, I quoted you. But, the size is more likely something along the likes of 1240 (ish) by 720 ... In line with HDTV's 720P resolution. Sony sells some rear-projection LCD sets with a slightly higher resolution (which is odd ... it still gets interpolated down for HDTV, but standard resolution TV looks a bit sharper I suppose), but most everyone else is sticking with 1240x720 (it's 12-something ... "1240" sounds right but I'm too lazy to look up the exact number :) ).

On a 30" screen, this is an awesome TV display, but incredibly poor resolution for a computer display. Granted, ten years ago people were using 640x480 on a 30" CRT at my office, but still ... you'll really see the pixels at that resolution on a 30" screen, unless you're using it from across the room.

But then, what do I know? I stick with 1600 horizontal on all my monitors (19"-21" CRTs) and still jones for a few more pixels on my desktop ...

[mxpiazza]

the 30" sharp aquos flat panet HDTV you are talking about is a cool $3,999 on the best buy web site.

the resolution is 1280x768.

[TMay]

If a 30 inch display was to appear, I would argue that it would stick with the 100 dpi resolution that it standard with the other Cinema displays. 2560 x 1600 would be my guess.

As to who will buy these?

Anybody that does video, audio, photoediting, science, engineering, architecture, finance, print, etc, has a dual monitor setup, and can scrape up the cash.

I would also argue that the sweet spot for this would be $3499.

[Ge4-ce]

I'm on the evening of buying a high end Powermac G5.. With a 23" display! The reason I was waiting was:

1) I want the new PowerMac G5 (dual 2.6 I hope)

2) If there are new displays, the 23" will probably drop in price and I then can afford it and spend the extra amount of cash I save here, to extra Ram...(or soundsystem..)

[Kenny Pollock]

Sources who work closely with my site (http://macommunity.com) said the 30" Cinema will be happening. They've been legit sources for me in the past- so I would almost be willing to bet on this.
Price drops will be occuring for the "old line" of cinema's.

[ogminlo]

When the new displays do come out (whenever that may be), there will be no 4:3 aspect screens. The 17" will be like the 17" panel from the iMac and PB, though probably a new generation with a higher max resolution. Same for the 20". The 23" may give way to a 30", but remember that OS X only supports a 4000 pixel wide desktop, so there would have to be an asterix on any display with a width greater than 2000 pixels.

[Samir 3.0]

Originally posted by kidd0

Price drops will be occuring for the "old line" of cinema's.

hope u are right...
In that case I'll buy a 23inch if it will be under the 2000 spot or maybe more realistically a 20 inch...

[Ambrose Chapel]

well the apple store hasn't gone down yet...isn't this around the time when that typically happens?

[TranceClubMusic]

Well its "tomorrow" no displays - no speed bumps - no NOTHING :rolleyes:

[CmdrLaForge]

Nothing new today !

Cheers

[Ge4-ce]

Ehm.. it's still 3 hours (now its 6am in Cupertino) till a new day breaks!

I would wait till it is 9 am in Cupertino before being depressed..

Here where I live, I have to wait until 6pm !! before it reaches 9am in Cupertino.. ;)

[TMay]

Its only 6:10 on the west coast. Apple will most likely want to post a press release. If it isn't announced by 10 am pacific time, it isn't going to happen, at least today.

[Lancetx]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Nothing new today !

Cheers

Yeah, nothing is coming today. Maybe next week...

[jrv3034]

Haven't they broken the "announcements on Tuesdays" pattern before? So they can sell out their remaining stock?

Also does anyone know if the Apple retail stores got a facelift for today, as was rumored?

[Dont Hurt Me]

Apple is on to us, no more big releases at expos,no more big releases on tuesday. guess we will see those new products when they are good and ready. or maybe the 24th.

[trilogic]

Originally posted by nico_rep_nico
please god,please god.please god.please god.please god.please godv.v..v.please godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease god. i need to get rid of my 17inch crt sony hmda200.....its got a damn grey tone to the colors.........pleaseplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease godplease god

im not really excited i just got approved for a 2000 dollar limit at compusa.....

pleaase do it i need it...my eyes are bleeding

exactly how I fell. :cool:

[sigurros]

Does anyone else just want to see a 17" (widescreen) that doesn't cost an arm and a leg??? I mean, $599 (educators) is WAY too much.

The price needs to go down a couple hundred, or sell a widescreen for $499.

[favpseudonym]

do the math people. there is a 3 inch difference between all of the displays.
17 20 23with roughly a 600$ difference
between each display
700 1300 2000

if 30 inches were a reality i would anticipate a price drop in the whole entire line...

17, 20, 23, 30(23 in. + 3in.+3in.+1in.)

650,1250,1900,3300(1900+600+600+200)

[dho]

well its 9 am and still nothing, i am not giving up however.

i am gunna keep reloading apple.com for 15 minutes. Then i will wait for the classic 10:00 10:15 cupertino update time

after that, i will be "upset" and anounce that it is coming NEXT tuesday

[Ge4-ce]

This is not fair :( Why... WHYYYYYYYY!! boehoehoe...

Stil one hour to go before it is 10 am!! Be optimistic!!

There will be new updates! Why? Because we want to!!

Or we will thread Apple.. Maybe that's a solution? "I'll buy a Dell when you do not announce new products today!!!! Do you hear me!! And I was planning to buy 2000 Powermacs!" sigh.. :(

[Ge4-ce]

By the way.. If you reload apple's Webpage at 25 times/sec.. (we use PAL, US has to refresh 29.7 times) the iPod mini gets a mixed dirty color..

:p

[Some_Big_Spoon]

yes, I'd like a 12" powerbook that isn't crippled, and a lighter Apple LCD..

Remember when apple made computers and wasn't focused completely on music?: SVP Music Bleech! (http://www.macminute.com/2004/01/20/music)

:rolleyes:

[mrsebastian]

does anyone know if using a flat screen (plasma) tv with a mac is possible? i assume that the resolution wouldn't be that good, but then all the new ones are ready for high def. has anyone tried it? i'm wondering, because if you're gonna spend 3-4 grand, why not get a 42" monitor!

[wdlove]

Originally posted by dho
well its 9 am and still nothing, i am not giving up however.

i am gunna keep reloading apple.com for 15 minutes. Then i will wait for the classic 10:00 10:15 cupertino update time

after that, i will be "upset" and anounce that it is coming NEXT tuesday

Just remember that the actual 20th Anniversay of the Mac is on Saturday the 24th. Patience is a virtue. Getting upset will only hurt you. We are in this together in great anticipation. The spectualtion should be the fun part.

[MoparShaha]

Originally posted by mrsebastian
i'm wondering, because if you're gonna spend 3-4 grand, why not get a 42" monitor! Because you'd get roughly the resolution of a 15" monitor. BTW, it does work, just plug in the DVI cable.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by mrsebastian
does anyone know if using a flat screen (plasma) tv with a mac is possible? i assume that the resolution wouldn't be that good, but then all the new ones are ready for high def. has anyone tried it? i'm wondering, because if you're gonna spend 3-4 grand, why not get a 42" monitor! i was thinking this also what better way to get rid of those LCd's then to have a all new plasma line of monitors that can do computer and tv. and they can have the new Plasma-Imac? can it be done?

[dho]

Originally posted by wdlove
Just remember that the actual 20th Anniversay of the Mac is on Saturday the 24th. Patience is a virtue. Getting upset will only hurt you. We are in this together in great anticipation. The spectualtion should be the fun part.

I agree, notice it was "upset" not upset, basically meaning if nothing appears in 15 i wont have a fit or be really disapointed. It was page2 afterall

[Ge4-ce]

Originally posted by wdlove
Just remember that the actual 20th Anniversay of the Mac is on Saturday the 24th. Patience is a virtue. Getting upset will only hurt you. We are in this together in great anticipation. The spectualtion should be the fun part.

hehe.. yeah.. patience is indeed a virtue.. I expected a Mac update at MWSF, then I expected it today.. now I expect it the 24th, and then I will expecting it feb. 2nd.. And that all in the hope that they announce both new PowerMacs AND displays! Because I'm not going to spend 300 bucks more on the 23" when there can be a new, better, cheaper display later..

I was one of those guys that bought and recieved the last generation TiBook with DVD-R. One month (and not 6 like usual) before they introduced the 17" model wich I would have loved.. I will not make the mistake again ....

[njfuzzy]

I believe that burn-in is far too much of an issue with plasma monitors to even consider using one as a computer display.

[Parikh1234]

Originally posted by mrsebastian
does anyone know if using a flat screen (plasma) tv with a mac is possible? i assume that the resolution wouldn't be that good, but then all the new ones are ready for high def. has anyone tried it? i'm wondering, because if you're gonna spend 3-4 grand, why not get a 42" monitor!

Yes at my work i used to have a old g4 power mac and now i have a new g5 powermac. We a 42 inch panasonic plasma display (pretty old (like 1.5 years)) as the second screen (plugged into the DVI port through a DVI to VGA adaptor. The resolution can be put upto anything, its just the refresh rate thats kinda annoying. But to answer your question, yes it can be done.

[0 and A ai]

Originally posted by Parikh1234
Yes at my work i used to have a old g4 power mac and now i have a new g5 powermac. We a 42 inch panasonic plasma display (pretty old (like 1.5 years)) as the second screen (plugged into the DVI port through a DVI to VGA adaptor. The resolution can be put upto anything, its just the refresh rate thats kinda annoying. But to answer your question, yes it can be done.

It can be done but plasma displays have a huge BURN IN problem like old crt monitors. I woudlnt' recommend it.

[Dont Hurt Me]

we know how apple likes those brand new expensive technologies, perhaps new flat screen crt's are heading our way. no more dead pixel problems to deal with except for those portables. And you get Tv now HDTV. could be whats coming.

[tortoise]

A 30" would be cool, but a change I would really love to see is THINNER BEZELS on the Apple displays among other things so that they are easier to use in tandem. A better stand system would be nice too.

Apple makes it so convenient to have multihead system -- they essentially encourage it -- and then provides monitors that are among the worst on the market design-wise for that purpose. I'm hoping a monitor design revision makes their monitors multihead friendly.

[Dont Hurt Me]

thoose bezels are to fat i agree 100%. in fact i would like to see those lcds with no bezel on the top and bottom. still a flat Hdtv crt plasma seems cooler and cooler. is gateway selling a model that connects with the computer?

[Parikh1234]

Originally posted by 0 and A ai
It can be done but plasma displays have a huge BURN IN problem like old crt monitors. I woudlnt' recommend it.
Thats why we have the background change every 10 seconds

[andyduncan]

Originally posted by Parikh1234
Thats why we have the background change every 10 seconds

And the menu bar too?

Even if you might be able to avoid burning any one image in to the screen, your screen is still burning out, just in a more uniform manner.

[Parikh1234]

Originally posted by andyduncan
And the menu bar too?

Even if you might be able to avoid burning any one image in to the screen, your screen is still burning out, just in a more uniform manner.

Its a secondary monitor which means theres no menu bar or dock at the bottom.

Also thats why you buy the 10 year warranty.

[beg_ne]

Tomorrow? I'll believe it when i see it, there were rumors of new displays "any day now" back when the G5's were announced. It's been over 6 months since then and still nothing.

If it does turn out to be true then i guess I can have a nice G5 styled 20" and my current 20" for a dual monitor setup. I just hope I have enough room to fit 2 on my desk :)

[andyduncan]

Originally posted by Parikh1234
Its a secondary monitor which means theres no menu bar or dock at the bottom.

Also thats why you buy the 10 year warranty.

Warranty doesn't cover the "It doesn't look as nice as it did" problem. You'd have a hard time convincing anyone to replace your display because it's not as bright as it used to be, and yet that is precisely the problem that even a consistent burn-out would cause.

Plus I'm not convinced you've managed to avoid burn IN anyway. Despite the fact that you don't have a menu bar on this secondary monitor, you'd have to be moving your windows around constantly to avoid burn in. Even if the windows weren't left in exactly the same position each time, you'd have areas that were more burned out than others. People tend to leave particular windows in more or less the same place, especially on large monitors. Also there are a ton of reasons why moving your windows around all the time is a terrible solution, the largest one being inneficiency (spatial memory is powerful).

It sounds picky, but Plasma really is "that bad" for anything but full-screen full-motion video. Even then it burns out under "normal wear and tear" far too quickly for you to take advantage of that 10 year warranty.

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by mrsebastian
does anyone know if using a flat screen (plasma) tv with a mac is possible? i assume that the resolution wouldn't be that good, but then all the new ones are ready for high def. has anyone tried it? i'm wondering, because if you're gonna spend 3-4 grand, why not get a 42" monitor!

Yes. DVI works quite well.

There is some "leeway" in the DVI spec that has led some combinations to not work optimally, but generally a DVI-capable Mac and a DVI-connectable HDTV will work well together. Mine did for the thirty minutes I had to geek out and connect them ...

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
i was thinking this also what better way to get rid of those LCd's then to have a all new plasma line of monitors that can do computer and tv. and they can have the new Plasma-Imac? can it be done?

It can be done, but there are issues:

1) Resolution. Nothing over 1280x768-ish (perhaps slightly less, perhaps slightly more, depends on the manufacturer). [Also, the refresh rate will generally be pretty low with an HDTV-oriented screen ... 29.7fps doesn't exactly force Sharp to put a 120Hz refresh rate on their TVs ...]

2) All the HDTV stuff costs you money. The de-interlacers, RF/SVideo/composite/component converters, 3/2 pulldown circuitry, etc: it all hits your pocketbook.

3) TV sets will be optimized for clarity of a moving picture, not clarity of a static picture or text. There is a huge difference.

4) Plasma burn in. Not a good thing. [Others have covered this well; Plasma has a VERY big burn-in problem, and I too am extremely hesitant to believe anyone would be able to operate their Mac without causing burn-in, even on a secondary screen ... general lifetime isn't overly bad with Plasma so an even burn-in isn't too much of an issue, but realize that the effective life is significantly less than either CRT or LCD in operating hours (and at the end of an LCD's brightness halflife you just have to replace the backlight; the entire Plasma display has to be junked when it is no longer bright enough)]

A plasma monitor connected to a hefty behometh of a computer ... reminds me of the Compaq "Luggable" glory days, basking in the orange glow of the gas plasma screen ...

[brhmac]

Using words like "tomorrow" in these Page 2 rumor headlines is really misleading. They give a false impression that the displays may actually come "tomorrow." Run it long enough -- even as a "Page 25" rumor -- and it will come true. :D

"New Displays Jan. 20?" would be far more accurate.

[rtype]

Originally posted by brhmac
Using words like "tomorrow" in these Page 2 rumor headlines is really misleading. They give a false impression that the displays may actually come "tomorrow." Run it long enough -- even as a "Page 25" rumor -- and it will come true. :D

"New Displays Jan. 20?" would be far more accurate.
It's actually not true if it always says they will come tomorrow. If they do come, then it will be that they came today and everyone would think they came early.

I thought that was the point of the joke... like the painted on sign at Joe's Crabshack "free crabs tomorrow" and tomorrow never comes.

[rog]

Wow! the new displays are awesome! I can't wait until the new PowerBooks in 2 weeks, the new G5s next week, and the new iPod next week, I mean the week after, I mean the week after that, no the week after that, no just one more week after that.......

Didn't we all play this game last year when virtually everything had a pending update that was sure to come any Tuesday from Jan 1 to late May! I'm over it.

[ethernet76]

who wants an LCD anyway? Design professionals won't and can't use them because of calibration problems. Who's left? Movie editors? Because everyone know how good 30 fps looks on an LCD, it's like watching it drunk on a CRT.

[Finiksa]

Originally posted by rog
Didn't we all play this game last year when virtually everything had a pending update that was sure to come any Tuesday from Jan 1 to late May! I'm over it.

Eh, your point being?

That's how the rumours game is played.

[bannedagain]

For the estimated price of a 30" LCD screen why not buy a good projector?

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Finiksa
Eh, your point being?

That's how the rumours game is played.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
Your so true and I concur - nothing is gonna happen at all in January which is a really SAD Anniversary.

[Photorun]

I wonder about those rumors about the new displays coming when the bumped G5s come? Hmmm. I wouldn't mind seeing both (even though it'd make my G5 a dinosaur). New monitors would be great because man, the current line up is pretty long in the tooth. Additionally the specs of them (brightness, contrast, ns, refresh) just don't cut it, there's cheaper, more advanced models out there. I wish Formac(.com) would make their monitors wide screen. I've seen them in person, not sure I like the cases but the picture quality when next to an Apple cinema, at least in terms of brightness, the Apple is weak by comparison.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Photorun
I wonder about those rumors about the new displays coming when the bumped G5s come? Hmmm. I wouldn't mind seeing both (even though it'd make my G5 a dinosaur). New monitors would be great because man, the current line up is pretty long in the tooth. Additionally the specs of them (brightness, contrast, ns, refresh) just don't cut it, there's cheaper, more advanced models out there. I wish Formac(.com) would make their monitors wide screen. I've seen them in person, not sure I like the cases but the picture quality when next to an Apple cinema, at least in terms of brightness, the Apple is weak by comparison.

I sent Formac an email - and they told me that they are working on a Wide Screen LCD!!!! :D

[iriejedi]

As kids... tomorrow was always after "one more sleep" - For example with a pending vacation the day after tomorrow... we would be going to Disneyland in just "two more sleeps" etc....

So now, in the day of Starbucks and Red Bull - I pose the question - without sleep does tomorrrow ever truly arrive?

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I sent Formac an email - and they told me that they are working on a Wide Screen LCD!!!! :D

you have a copy of this email? that would be news.

D

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I sent Formac an email - and they told me that they are working on a Wide Screen LCD!!!! :D

Is Fromac related to Frodo?

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
you have a copy of this email? that would be news.

D

Yes I have it on my Hotmail Account - I will copy and paste it for ya:D

[Photorun]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I sent Formac an email - and they told me that they are working on a Wide Screen LCD!!!! :D

BITCHIN! All the ADC goodness and the two USBs, better specs than Apple (at least currently) with a lower price tag... ya CAN'T go wrong! If you're not pulling our legs that's GREAT news! And can they hurry it up?!?! I need a new monitor ASAP!

[Packetloss]

I really don't understand the problem with all Mac **** rumors around.


I mean, if Apple will release new Powerbooks or Displays or whatever there should be "many" people around already knowing that the products is in production, right?

As Apple doesn't manufacture their hardware on their own but lay it out on third party manufactures, these people at the production line in China should already know about what is happening long before we know it.

It's not like it is 1 person involved in these things and there are always people leaking information.


What's the deal with this?

[Packetloss]

You want Alu. displays with better specs and that's already out on the market?

Well, visit Eyegonomic (http://www.eyegonomic.com/)

Really don't understand what the problem is because why wait for slowass Apple to release stuff when you already can buy better displays?

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Packetloss
You want Alu. displays with better specs and that's already out on the market?

Well, visit Eyegonomic (http://www.eyegonomic.com/)


Ah, nice, but they're not exactly easy to find. I did a search to buy one and came up short....

and their T24 has 1920x1200 res and sells for 3800 Euro - not exactly cheap. I'd rather buy a 23" Apple LCD and save a bunch.

D

[jrv3034]

Originally posted by Packetloss
You want Alu. displays with better specs and that's already out on the market?

Well, visit Eyegonomic (http://www.eyegonomic.com/)

Yeah, I had already seen those Danish aluminum displays. They look awesome. I think that's the direction Apple should head with their monitors. Aluminum bezel on the iMac arm... talk about stunning!:D

PS- that's great news about Formac widescreen displays! Do post the email response.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by bannedagain
For the estimated price of a 30" LCD screen why not buy a good projector?

Are you still going on about projectors? :p

Point us to what you have in mind for something in the 30" LCD's price range so we have something to compare to.

Like I've said before, with the issues of resolution, bulb life, etc., projectors are not really a day-to-day option.

[tunanut]

Originally posted by Packetloss

snip...It's not like it is 1 person involved in these things and there are always people leaking information. What's the deal with this?


it's called honoring a non-disclosure agreement.

[Beck446]

That eyegonomic stuff is truly awesome!

Apple should get them to make branded displays.

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by Beck446
That eyegonomic stuff is truly awesome!

Apple should get them to make branded displays.

Heck - Apple should jusy buy them and let Win/Tel people pay Apple for these!

[RichP]

interesting with the eyegonomic stuff how when you load the 3d view, it uses the mac startup image...

not that means a damn thing.

[cubist]

Hey, where's the info on the Formac widescreens???

[tunanut]

wait for the apple monitors. something tells me they're coming very soon.

[nico_rep_nico]

yea, if they do not come in the next 2 weeks, its gonna be july.

i just bought a 20inch cinema display and i am very happy with it.....as long as i dont know.....i have the best 20inch for the money.....

the f_cking thing has a dead pixel too but i still dont care...(i can only see it if i am using black, thats why i use white)
....i love my new 20inch display....

[Photorun]

Geez, can we pull this from Page 2? In fact anything about new anything, clearly we're entering a long period of snoozeville Apple news-wise. In fact, my advice, Arn, take a vacation, you deserve it!

[Photorun]

*no personal attacks, please*

[army_guy]

anything above 19 inch is no good IMO the factors such as contrast, brightness, colour, responce time, amount of dead pixles go downhill. The only good 19 inch is the latest DELL. Every panel ive looked at bigger than 19" just blurs and ghosts all over the place even the new generation panels just released be sharp are even worse. A 30" display IMO will blur and ghost so much it wouldnt be usable. Consider the 23" panels have 40-50ms responce times while the 19" have 20ms my guess would be that the 30" would be around 60-80ms!!! or more?? To eliminate ghosting one needs <10ms then and only then would I ever touch an LCD.

[BJNY]

I believe the current 23" ACD uses this panel at 25ms: http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/en/product/monitor.html?tg=view&idx=124

If Apple offers a new 23, then perhaps they'll use this panel at 16ms: http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/en/product/monitor.html?tg=view&idx=175

[army_guy]

there is no 16ms 23 inch panels, maybe 12-18 months time but not now. OK i see it but given current technology the only way to get 16ms on a panel that size is to compromise colour (as the 19 inch DELL does) manufactures say 16ms but is it? Toms hardware/xbit labs did some tests on measuring responce times they were way off manufacture specs (25-30ms instead of claimed 16ms) so the 16ms I see on the lgphillips site is IMO far from it. LG may also measure it differently for example white to grey instead of white to black, unless they can show the full risetime and fall time in thier spec then I dont believe that 16ms period.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Photorun


I do have an email from Formac - I'll find it and post it as soon as I can.

[thetman]

hmm a 30" for ~$3500 or two 20" for <$3000 tough choice for me

[~Shard~]

Is it "tomorrow" yet?

[meth31783]

i was gonna wait til mwsf to get my 20 inch cinema display but just couldnt wait and went for it. I am really happy with it, it has one stuck pixel toward the top left though, not a big deal to me cuz i hardly notice it. It'd be nice to see a new form factor and/or price drop on the lcd's. Who knows when they'll come out with the new ones, but the older ones do look dated next to the aluminum G5. I still love my 20 incher though.

[tunanut]

tomorrow might actually be next week...but after the stupor bowl?

[Photorun]

Still waiting for that Formac email Trance.

[TranceClubMusic]

Dear John,

As of today we dont have such a product. Having said that Formac is entertaining the idea of wide screen models for the future. Though we dont have specific information, we suggest for you to subscribe to our newsletter at www.formac.us to keep up to date on new product announcements.

Best regards,
Formac Sales Team

Formac Electronic Inc.
1510 6th Street
Berkeley, CA 94710
Phone 1-877-4FORMAC
Fax (510) 528-9014
e-mail: sales@formac.us
Visit our website www.formac.us
___________________________________________
On Dec 16, 2003, at 3:13 AM, John Caraballo wrote:
I just LOVE your products. I was wondering.........do you have plans in the future to make "Wide Screen" additions to your product lines like the Apple Cinema Displays?
Thanks for your time.
John

[tunanut]

hullo? personally, i think replies from people at a company when they sign a NAME is cool, but doncha hate it when 'customer service' personnel don't give you their last name or in some cases, even a first name as in, 'best regards, the team?' oh yeah, the whole team. smacks of a latent advert no? oh well, fodder for a new thread perhaps.

[Rower_CPU]

"entertaining the idea of" does not equal "working on"

Nothing to get worked up about.

[TranceClubMusic]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
"entertaining the idea of" does not equal "working on"

Nothing to get worked up about.

I respectfully disagree. In my opinion if a company is "entertaining" an idea - that is "working" on it. Maybe not physically producing one - but the idea has to be entertained before the project moves foward. I believe that if Formac wasnt going to make a wide screen - they would of had just replied with "we have no plans on such a product at this time". The thought of someone telling us that an idea is being "entertained" gives us hope that someone at Formac is looking to the furture of wide screen displays...........besides its not like I said: New Formac Displays "tomorrow" (hint hint) or New Formac Displays at MacWord, or New Formac Displays on Anniversary or maybe next Tuesday? lmfaoooooo - You get the point :p
At least I shared with everyone in the group something "real" and in writting as apposed to me dreaming up dates for a Formac Display Releases :D

I do agree with - Its nothing to get excited over - but lots of these rumors are nothing to get worked about either!!
Just dont kill the messanger - Im like everyone else here - we all want better displays and I hope Formac does make wide screens for us in the future. :)

[army_guy]

Originally posted by bannedagain
For the estimated price of a 30" LCD screen why not buy a good projector?

A projector for computer use, not really it isnt the same thing. For a projector you need a ton of room space, a dark lit room, and need to be sitting quite far.

Now if the choice was a between a 50" plasma screen costing £8000-£10000 (of which they only last 2-3 years under moderate use and then have to to replaced!!) and a projector say costing a similar amount, it would be stuidpid to get the plasma. The projector would provide a sharper, brighter, bigger (50"-300"++) and more cinematic depth, colour and contrast. Forget the plasma it doesnt even compare to a projector.

[army_guy]

Originally posted by thetman
hmm a 30" for ~$3500 or two 20" for <$3000 tough choice for me

that 30" will have inferior picture quality to the 20", remember producing larger panels requires more experience. With the 30" theres gona be more problems than there is now with the 23" Theres no point in develping larger panels if the current problems in the 19-23" panel are propagated through, they need to be solved/improved and then produce the 30"

[=pa=]

A lot of you people are arguing that a 30 inch display would be too expensive; well, the 23 in. display was around $3k when it came out, and the 30 in. will mainly cater to video production houses, who spend about a zillion times more on stuff like outboard gear, cameras, audio, etc.

Believe me, an extra grand or two is like pocket change for these guys; a 30 in. monitor certainly wouldn't be aimed at the mass consumer market.

[wdlove]

If the the 30" Cinema Display is introduced and costs around $3,500, I would be very interested. That would be awesome for watching DVD's.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
I respectfully disagree. In my opinion if a company is "entertaining" an idea - that is "working" on it. Maybe not physically producing one - but the idea has to be entertained before the project moves foward. I believe that if Formac wasnt going to make a wide screen - they would of had just replied with "we have no plans on such a product at this time". The thought of someone telling us that an idea is being "entertained" gives us hope that someone at Formac is looking to the furture of wide screen displays...........besides its not like I said: New Formac Displays "tomorrow" (hint hint) or New Formac Displays at MacWord, or New Formac Displays on Anniversary or maybe next Tuesday? lmfaoooooo - You get the point :p
At least I shared with everyone in the group something "real" and in writting as apposed to me dreaming up dates for a Formac Display Releases :D

I do agree with - Its nothing to get excited over - but lots of these rumors are nothing to get worked about either!!
Just dont kill the messanger - Im like everyone else here - we all want better displays and I hope Formac does make wide screens for us in the future. :)

I see your point, but it's a matter of interpretation, and you original claim was that you had proof they were working on wide screen displays. It's simply not that black and white.

I'm entertaining the idea of buying a G5 when the new ones come out, but that doesn't mean I have the means to do it anytime soon. ;)

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

I'm entertaining the idea of buying a G5 when the new ones come out, but that doesn't mean I have the means to do it anytime soon. ;) They're coming out with new G5's? :p

[army_guy]

Originally posted by wdlove
If the the 30" Cinema Display is introduced and costs around $3,500, I would be very interested. That would be awesome for watching DVD's.

You cant watch DVD's even on the 23" the 30" will probably have double the response time of the 23" all you will see is smearing IMO. Large LCD's are not for watching DVD's thier just too slow to keep up with the action.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by army_guy
You cant watch DVD's even on the 23" the 30" will probably have double the response time of the 23" all you will see is smearing IMO. Large LCD's are not for watching DVD's thier just too slow to keep up with the action.

24 fps equals roughly a 41ms response time.

Most LCDs do this just fine. Like I said before, it seems you're basing your opinions on having seen a bad LCD and/or bad video card driving it.

[army_guy]

No, not a bad batch. the apple 20", 23" sony 23" and the PB 17" only the 17" was good enough with DVD's. The 20" wasnt bad but looking closely there is blur/smear, iam not even gona say anything about the 23"s DVD viewing was with Monsters Inc and Matrix.

[pgwalsh]

Apples LCD's may come with high resolution, but they have a low nit and only 350/1 contrast ratio... You're not going to get deep blacks, so I'm sticking with my studio display CRT. I can't find any info on response time, but I know as you scale higher the performance is worse.

I personally don't watch any DVD's on my mac or any computer.. I'm sure some do, but no one I know personally. However if you play games on these LCD's you'll see ghosting and the colors wont be as good as some other LCD's that have 500:1 to 700:1 and a 300 nit. Can't compare the response time, but I know many LCD's in the 17 to 19 have pretty good response time.. The larger ones 20" or more don't.

[army_guy]

as you scale higher it is MUCH worse, currently even 1 or 2 inches can result in a 10ms increase like going from 19" to 20".
I cant imagine going from 23" to 30", id say the 30" would have at least 35ms assuming your using the best of the best panels ( more likely 40ms-80ms). Correct me if iam wrong?

[Photorun]

Originally posted by TranceClubMusic
Dear John,

As of today we dont have such a product. Having said that Formac is entertaining the idea of wide screen models for the future. Though we dont have specific information, we suggest for you to subscribe to our newsletter at www.formac.us to keep up to date on new product announcements.

Best regards,
Formac Sales Team

Formac Electronic Inc.
1510 6th Street
Berkeley, CA 94710
Phone 1-877-4FORMAC
Fax (510) 528-9014
e-mail: sales@formac.us
Visit our website www.formac.us
___________________________________________
On Dec 16, 2003, at 3:13 AM, John Caraballo wrote:
I just LOVE your products. I was wondering.........do you have plans in the future to make "Wide Screen" additions to your product lines like the Apple Cinema Displays?
Thanks for your time.
John

Thanks for coming through.

[Vanilla]

Well, just as an FYI I thought I would try the Formac UK offices, with the same query:
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Hi
I was just wondering if you guys have any plans to release Widescreen versions of your LCD monitors?
Kind regards
xxxxxxxx

No not at present, although not in widescreen the Gallery displays give you the same horizontal resolution as the widescreen versions but you get a larger vertical resolution giving you even more screen for your money.

Regards
Formac UK
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Vanilla