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Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 01:58 PM
How about it then? I am sure that G5s will be coming out in Janurary... Look at it:

The 9600 design only lasted 8 months, it then became the G3 Beige design which lasted from Nov97 till Jan99.

The Blue G3 design only lasted Jan99 to Sep99 then with a re-colouring became the G4.

The G4 Original design lasted from Sep99 till Jul01.

The G4 QuickSilver released Jul01 therefore a replacment should be released about 7 months later.

1.July
2. August
3. September
4. October
5. December
6 Janurary

Almost! Possibly Apple could be ahead of schedule, possibly updated G4 or HOPEFULLY G5!

I guess this may end up in a forum war!!

Ensign Paris

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 02:15 PM
I also think that Bus speeds will be updated.

Ensign

jefhatfield
Nov 7, 2001, 02:19 PM
it sounds like we may have the G5!

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 02:21 PM
I sure has hell hope so! I wonder what would happen to the PBG4 though. Although when the original G3PB was introduced it was updated majorly with in the few months.

Hmmmmm....

Guy

[Edited by Ensign Paris on 11-07-2001 at 03:42 PM]

SPG
Nov 7, 2001, 02:38 PM
I haven't seen anything indicating that the G5 chip runs much hotter than the G4, so not putting it in a laptop would more likely be a marketing decision. Anyone heard about the possibility of a G5 laptop? Hell, I'd buy one of those in a second, especially if they made the case even cooler than the ti.
Whoa, now how about this...A G5PB with a 15" screen that has the iBook's crisper resolution, faster bus, combo drive, any takers?

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 02:42 PM
Just bought a 667PBG4 but I will take two!

Imagine it, Windows Laptops as far as I know don't go over 1ghz, a G5 Would kick its ass even more as the Powerbook G4 does and most probably the iBook500!



Guy

sparkleytone
Nov 7, 2001, 02:42 PM
from what i understand we will probably see dualG4 powerbooks before g5 powerbooks. apparently there are some issues with getting the g5 into a notebook compounded with the fact that they just redid the g4 powerbook and would not want to take away from that. i have a sneaking suspicion that motorola and apple are giving us the ninja vanish when it comes to the g5 and that it is pretty much ready for production. thats judging on a few reads and a hunch.

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 02:50 PM
I think you might be right, there has never been any meation of the G5 from Apple, and Motorola have been talking about the G5 alot. Hmmmhmnm I wonder...

Guy

akuma
Nov 7, 2001, 02:52 PM
I hope your hunch is correct. I think I would break down and buy a g5 if they were available.

Ensign Paris: Sad to say but Dell makes a 1.2 gig notebook called the M40 and the latitude c810 at 1.13 gig. They still are dell's though ;)

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 03:05 PM
A PBG4 would still kick its ass!

My PBG4667 can beat a 1.4AMDAthalon by quite abit

Guy

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 03:53 PM
I was sent this my email from a friend in Calaforna.

Not to sure how legit!!

http://www.brooklineuk.com/g5.jpg

4 Different Versions:
1 - 1000mhz
2 - 1200mhz
3 - 1400mhz
4 - 1600mhz

Maybe! I WISH!

akuma
Nov 7, 2001, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Ensign Paris
A PBG4 would still kick its ass!

My PBG4667 can beat a 1.4AMDAthalon by quite abit

Guy

No argument here :D

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 04:01 PM
The Dual800 I use is wickedly fast, when it seems like it does things before you tell it to. I LIKE IT!!

Guy

akuma
Nov 7, 2001, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Ensign Paris
The Dual800 I use is wickedly fast, when it seems like it does things before you tell it to. I LIKE IT!!

Guy

haha, I'm still stuck in the 90's with my Blue and White g3, but it seems to be rock solid. Best computer investment I've ever made.

sparkleytone
Nov 7, 2001, 04:05 PM
heh i'll go ahead and say why i have a hunch. i was talking to my local apple rep and i was like "ya hopefully motorola will get their ***** together because apple NEEDS to have a good GHz number just for PR purposes" and he just kinda jumped and gave a face. i thought he was agreeing with me but upon further prodding all he would say is "i know something you dont" thats probably the most ive ever gotten out of him so i think something bigbigbig might be coming...thats my hunch.

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 04:10 PM
AppleCentre Warrington will often tell you that something is coming and the date that it will be released but they wont tell you what!!!

Cancom UK say its BIG! One reason I started this thread.

Guy

Twilight
Nov 7, 2001, 04:21 PM
The Register posted some info about new G5 Mac developer systems:

G5 Macs from 1,2 to 1,6 GHz, 400Mhz Bus-System, HyperTransport, USB 2.0, ATA 133 IDE and DDR-Ram.

Read the whole story:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/22677.html

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 04:27 PM
I am almost certain to see G5s at SanFrancisco or maybe MacExpo London.

I hope there is a release at MacExpo because I am there! ALSO, get people buying before Christmas? Huh!

BTW What is Hyper-Transport, just fast Data Transfer across the motherboard?

Guy

[Edited by Ensign Paris on 11-07-2001 at 05:30 PM]

Obsidian
Nov 7, 2001, 04:49 PM
I believe that by Mac World SF 2002, we should see Power Mac G5's running up to 1.6GHz. At many different sites I have read information on it, and that Apple has released 1000 prototypes in ATX cases to key developers.
On two or three different sites, I have read about developers recieving G5's running at 2.0 or 2.4GHz... I wonder, after the new G5's are on the market, is it possible to buy a prototype? That would be really cool to have a mac prototype, if money was not an option.. :)

Ensign Paris
Nov 7, 2001, 05:11 PM
It would be Super-Cool to have a Mac Prototype. I have an Apple I but a real prototype would be cool.

I want Apple to beat the 2ghz barrier at London!

I really hope they do and KILL the megahertz Myth and Intel with be Cr*ping there pants.

Guy

Ensign Paris
Nov 8, 2001, 06:45 AM
Hi

Does anybody have any real evidence that the protyple is out?

What is an ATX case? Just a standerd PC case?

Guy

Megaquad
Nov 8, 2001, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Ensign Paris
Hi

Does anybody have any real evidence that the protyple is out?

What is an ATX case? Just a standerd PC case?

Guy
yes,its a standard pc case

DannyZR2
Nov 8, 2001, 07:59 AM
Yes, ATX is just the standard now for the PC beige cases out there.. there are AT cases, but most are the ATX.. they allow the software to control the power/sleep modes...

ANYWAY..

What can Apple do if they are getting Moto to make the G5's while IBM is still working on the 1ghz G3??? How can Apple's marketting strategy to be to sell 1.6Ghz G5's along side the 4 4 year old.. will be 5 year old (from '97) G3 technology??? (750FX chip) Sure, IBM has totally blown us away getting this chip that fast.. and I am sure it is as faster than the G4's in non-Altivec.. but probably even near the 867 G4 speed IF IBM is telling us the truth in that the new 750 does the "ALTIVEC-LIKE" processing.

I just can see Apple abandoning the G4... yet, cannot see them selling all three.. that is not smart. if we see the G3's selling in the iMac's at 1299 - 1799, and the G4's in the mid-product line.. starting at 1699 - 2499, that would make the G5's go for over $2000 for just the 1.0Ghz.. the 1.6 would put you around 3499.. but while that MIGHT work.. how could you justify getting the G3?? when the G5 is out!?

I don't know.. maybe it will happen.. but it sure seems like that would leave Apple's consumers with too many options, and Apple has always been without the extraneous options .. 2 notebooks, and 2 desktops.. that's it.. 3 or 4 variations of each..

any ideas? other than this post is WAY too long?

i feel like jef h.. am i getting there yet jef? : )

Megaquad
Nov 8, 2001, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Ensign Paris
It would be Super-Cool to have a Mac Prototype. I have an Apple I but a real prototype would be cool.

I want Apple to beat the 2ghz barrier at London!

I really hope they do and KILL the megahertz Myth and Intel with be Cr*ping there pants.

Guy
2ghz?!?! Apple havent even beat the 1 ghz barrier..

jefhatfield
Nov 8, 2001, 08:20 AM
...1 GHz would be fine by me

now tell me that is not fast enough for january?

sparkleytone
Nov 8, 2001, 10:06 AM
actually ATX is the size of the motherboard. an ATX case is one that is designed for an ATX mobo.

Ensign Paris
Nov 8, 2001, 04:26 PM
Apple astonish (Spelt Wrong, probably)

Thats how they work, they either totally let us down or totally blow our minds (Only half of my brain cells are still intact after the release of QuickSilver)

Apple may do, COME ON APPLE!!

Guy

jefhatfield
Nov 8, 2001, 04:36 PM
it's one step forward, one step back

why do you think their stock sits at the same real dollar value as when it went public?

when the imac went public, i saw it at a college bookstore and i thought, "This thing is going to carry Apple for the next ten years!"

...now most posters here think that this machine is outdated...wow, how times fly in this business

ensign, i mean sir,

do you think it's about time for a G5 and an LCD imac?

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-08-2001 at 05:51 PM]

i_am_a_cow
Nov 8, 2001, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by Ensign Paris
Just bought a 667PBG4 but I will take two!

Imagine it, Windows Laptops as far as I know don't go over 1ghz, a G5 Would kick its ass even more as the Powerbook G4 does and most probably the iBook500!



Guy

sounds great, i'll take your old one!

Ensign Paris
Nov 8, 2001, 05:41 PM
You can have it if somebody sends me a G5PB!

Guy

Ensign Paris
Nov 8, 2001, 05:42 PM
Originally posted by jefhatfield
it's one step forward, one step back

why do you think their stock sits at the same real dollar value as when it went public?

when the imac went public, i saw it at a college bookstore and i thought, "This thing is going to carry Apple for the next ten years!"

...now most posters here think that this machine is outdated...wow, how times fly in this business

ensign, i mean sir,

do you think it's about time for a G5 and an LCD imac?

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-08-2001 at 05:51 PM]

I think an LCD iMac, maybe possibly a ShortNeck CRT one and G5 100ghz (No Chance) ok, maybe 2ghz ish

Sir Wickenden of Macintosh

sparkleytone
Nov 8, 2001, 09:12 PM
hmmm LCD iMac seems a bit pricey. i would think we see a flatscreen iMac with maybe a DVD-burner first hopefully. More people would buy that machine. PLUS it truly would get DVD-burning into the average everyday machine, which would further accentuate Apple being head and shoulders above any sort of "competition" in hardware AND software to implement its uses. then you would also get rid of the "well i can burn cd's but i wanna be able to watch DVD's too" and just bypass the combo drive completely. please please pretty ******** please.

Ensign Paris
Nov 9, 2001, 01:53 AM
I agree, the new iMac must have DVD and CDRW.

Possibly a super-drive? Maybe not.

Guy

mnkeybsness
Nov 9, 2001, 06:24 PM
the one thing to remember about the superdrive is that processor makes a difference...

a g4 is just able process the information to burn them at 2x

a g3 would take so much time to burn it, that you would buy a g4 and burn the dvd on the g4 in the time it takes to burn on the g3
(much exaggerated, but you get the point)

sparkleytone
Nov 9, 2001, 09:12 PM
even on a g3 1GHz or better? im sorry but i dont know so its an honest question.

KingArthur
Nov 9, 2001, 10:28 PM
That last post was so utterly exagerated. In all reality, IBM has had G3s at 1+Ghz for about a year or two, but Apple never wanted to have their low-end computers with larger numbers than those of their high-end computers. A good stragegy if you can convince the public that the other billion PCs out there that are doing tons more sucessful than the macs are just hoxes. Apple cares about quality and keeping peoples minds in a set perspective (never selling old models for long so people are forced into new technology). Dell and the like are worried more about sales minipulation of buyers' minds.
Ok, I went on a huge tangent there. Anyway, did you know that the G3s actually perform better than same Mhz G4s on almost any type of process when the G3 is put on a similar system configuration (Same graphics cards, bus speeds, ram speeds, etc...) Only in vector processing do G4s actually beat the G3s (no surprise considering it is doing 4x the work per cycle). With the release of the G5, there would truely be an overall advantage of the high end system to the low-end one. The G5 would do about twice the work per-cycle Mhz for Mhz. The G4's vector processing would no longer hold much of an incentive, so the G4 would probably be booted with the G3s taking much larger leaps in speed for each update. Apple is not dumb enough, though, to do this all of the sudden. They would have way too much left-over inventory of G4 chips. I would almost expect to see some quad-processor models w/G4s for a while until they can systematically eliminate them (current generation G4s exempted b/c they can only work in sets of two b/c of an archetecture flaw). That or they may do a quad processor G3 to get rid of the slow chips they have had to store. A 4x G3 @ 500Mhz would be an ideal server, for servers do not require much processing of vectors. I still want to see someone do a 32 processor G3 system (home-made with exposed parts of course). This would be the ultimate OSX BadAss! Even better, use the previous generation G4 (the 450 and 500Mhz ones) because they ARE able to work in more than pairs and OS X is disigned to more effectively utilize the 128bit vector processing unit. OS X can support up to 32 processors simultaniously (as anyone who knows much about the insides of OS X's would already know). OSX would basically give each open program its own processor to use, unless the person is disorganized enough to have over 31 active applications.
Well, I am just sort of rambling, so I will leave you to your now bloodshot eyes and fried brains. Sorry for any unorganized use of subject changes.

Adeś. Adeś.