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MacBytes
Oct 1, 2008, 07:51 AM
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Link: Apple executives get millions in bonuses as stock tumbles (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20081001085103)
Description:: Not even Apple can escape the fallout from the global economic crisis, with it's shares tumbling this week. That hasn't stopped Apple's executive team reaping in more than 120 million dollars in bonuses though...

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edesignuk
Oct 1, 2008, 07:52 AM
Still, they've had a killer year (until now with the stock tumble, which even then isn't their "fault"), and they have billions in the bank. Not surprising that execs will still be seeing nice fat bonuses.

rdowns
Oct 1, 2008, 07:56 AM
Tying these options (which have probably been on the planning stages for weeks) to the recent market fall is irresponsible journalism at best. Apple has been firing on all cylinders and breaking all kinds of sales records the past few quarters. Nothing wrong with the board trying to keep their talent at Apple.

MacTraveller
Oct 1, 2008, 08:00 AM
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Link: Apple executives get millions in bonuses as stock tumbles (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20081001085103)
Description:: Not even Apple can escape the fallout from the global economic crisis, with it's shares tumbling this week. That hasn't stopped Apple's executive team reaping in more than 120 million dollars in bonuses though...

Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)
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The implications of this article is moronic. Moronic.

Apple executives did their job. They performed well. Despite the harsh brutal economy, Apple executives made sure that Apple had a very profitable year. They made sure that Apple Inc. delivered good products, and made good revenue and was profitable. They made sure that Apple Inc was a successful company this year, rather than a BANKRUPT CRAPTASTIC company like Washington Mutual or Wachovia.

The fact that Apple's stocks tumbled.... HAS FRIKKIN' NOTHING TO DO with the competence or performance of Apple executives or the products. AAPL stocks often tumble due to sheer market speculation, or due to short-selling manipulation. Period. It has little to do with the company's performance, and thus little correlation with the performance of the company's managers and execs.

Fafafoooey
Oct 1, 2008, 08:39 AM
Apple actually shows a brand power and success which is obvious in that MOST students purchase Macs, MOST people buy IPods for their music players, and MOST people who used smartphones have Iphones now. It is hard to deny they deserve it when so many people use their products.

wordmunger
Oct 1, 2008, 08:43 AM
The stock went down ten percent. Wachovia went from $57 to less than $1. That's the difference between a strong company in a bad economy and a bankrupt company. The sad news is that many Wachovia execs are probably still going to come out of this quite well.

zombitronic
Oct 1, 2008, 09:25 AM
I know Mac Rumors tries to be unbiased in the news articles they post, but honestly, I wish they were a bit more biased. There have been so many illegitimate anti-Apple articles lately and re-posting them here only fuels that evil fire. At least we have smart members to see through the smoke.

mainstreetmark
Oct 1, 2008, 09:33 AM
I fully expected a bunch of complainers in this thread, but I think you guys got it spot on.

The media is actively fear-mongering this whole thing, significantly contributing to it's continuation. The average joe would have a hard time even noticing "severe economic conditions", beyond fluctuation in retirement money. It's appalling that the media is whipping everyone into thinking we're about to enter a depression, when in fact, the signs of entering a recession haven't even happened. We still have economic growth every quarter (this current one isn't over, so i'm not counting it). The media, as a whole, is terrible. Aren't we still at War? Where's your daily US death toll now? This is all such big news, that even Bush's exaggerated terribleness isn't newsworthy. MSNBC's headline says "Economy in Turmoil". (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/?ack)

Turmoil? People can still shop at wal-mart. All the ATM's have cash in them. Big Macs are freely available (not for free). There are no bread lines. Unemployment is a fifth of what it was in the depression, and shows few signs of significant change.

The banks that went under did so because they made huge misjudgments, and in the end were bought by other private banks who did not.

Wallstreet took a crap because all the investors (including those who manage your 401k) were waiting to see if $700B got interjected into the system, and when it didn't they pulled out, and when everyone noticed that a crash wasn't happening, they put 75% back in causing one of the larger one-day wall street gains we've had in a long time. The "wait" for $700B is what's freezing the credit market, since no one wants to lend their own money, when all this free govt money could be coming next week. It sucks balls.

Apple? They lost stock, just like *every* company, but this moron and his journalistic integrity was targeting Apple for some bad press, and researching the relative loss of a hot commodity like Apple without considering other hot stocks would cause me, as a boss, to send him down to the mail room. Every company took a hit.

The author would have the Apple execs stripped of their bonus because Wachovia loaned some burger flipper a quarter million for a house, several thousand times.

MacTraveller
Oct 1, 2008, 10:04 AM
I fully expected a bunch of complainers in this thread, but I think you guys got it spot on.


Nope. We're not complaining (about the pay raises of Apple execs). :)


Most of us here are (hopefully) smart enough to realize a few things.

#1. Apple is currently a successful company. Very successful.

#2. WaMu, Wachovia and their ilk are failures, bankrupted mismanaged companies that crippled the livelihoods and shattered the investments of millions of people.

#3. Successful companies and their execs SHOULD be rewarded, and do deserve generous raises.

#4. Failure companies and incompetent execs NEED to be fired, they need to be punished, and certainly they must be stripped of any bonuses, benes, or raises. Failure needs to be punished.


Therefore, the author of this article is guilty of irresponsible journalism, he is trying to compare and lump in Apple execs with the same criminal bunch as those greedy overpaid execs that mismanaged, bankrupted and ruined many Wall Street related companies. Simply lousy journalism.

aristobrat
Oct 1, 2008, 10:18 AM
The implications of this article is moronic. Moronic.
IMO, you're being generous by calling it an 'article'. IMO, it's a blog post, and a poorly written one at that. I stopped reading at the sentence that ended "must have the luck of the Irish what with the current economic climates being as it is." :eek:

Happily used their 'user rating' button at the top to rate the post 1 out of 5.

sushi
Oct 1, 2008, 10:23 AM
I still cannot believe that I read that drivel (the so called article).

Moronic is putting it nicely.

IJ Reilly
Oct 1, 2008, 10:28 AM
APPLE EXECS CART HOME MILLIONS WHILE COMPANY FAILS TO PERFORM

Oh, wait.

elppa
Oct 1, 2008, 10:50 AM
I wish they were a bit more biased. There have been so many illegitimate anti-Apple articles lately and re-posting them here only fuels that evil fire.

I agree. Mindless Mac bashing with little or no evidence to support your arguments is every bit as dull as mindless Mac advocacy with little or no evidence to support your arguments.

waffle911
Oct 1, 2008, 04:25 PM
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NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 04:32 PM
While I dont think ANYONE deserves millions and millions as a bonus when they are already incredibly wealthy, Apple has deffinatly been doing spectacularly recently, and if thats what it takes to keep them there an not spreading apples ideas around, so be it.

iAthena
Oct 1, 2008, 04:34 PM
As a shareholder, I think that there's no company I've been happier with than Apple. I think that with the release of the new notebooks that people will be surprised at how resilient Apple is even in this economy.

happydude
Oct 1, 2008, 04:58 PM
i think most everyone here is spot on. tying APPL to the recent stock market dive without any facts on the company's overall performance is incompetent and worse than that negligent if the story picks up any steam and contributes to speculation of APPL and a downward trend.

banks trading toxic loans for short term gains caused the financial crisis, not successful companies like apple who have been weathering a currently likely recession beautifully. tech stocks have always been volatile so yeah, they'll take a disproportionate dive, but so did Amazon, Google and Ebay, all companies with a positive long term outlook.

akm3
Oct 1, 2008, 05:10 PM
And compared to revenues, $120,000,000 is seriously a drop in the bucket.

It was like 10% of Apple revenue I could see the shareholders being upset.

This is a journalist trying to make a story out of a non-story.

Rocketman
Oct 2, 2008, 05:21 PM
It is the absolute optimum time to issue stock options!

Rocketman

hob
Oct 2, 2008, 06:36 PM
AAPL is at 100! :O

Sun Baked
Oct 2, 2008, 06:53 PM
Would have been even more cool if their stock awards were keyed to the stock price on the day of issue, yielding an even bigger windfall for them.

But looks as though it was a shares issued instead, making it a better deal anyway when it comes to reporting to the IRS.