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MacRumors
Oct 1, 2008, 06:33 PM
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Earlier this week, a report (http://www.liberation.fr/terre/010133618-mac-pro-le-pepin-toxique-pour-apple) posted to a French newspaper claimed (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) that and odor being emitted by some Mac Pros could actually be toxic fumes. A scientist quoted in the article says the odor contains several toxins, including benzene. Prolonged exposure to benzene raises the risk for diseases, including cancer.An Apple spokesperson spoke to Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) and stated that they have not found any evidence to prove this claim, but states they will continue to investigate it.

A strange startup odor has been noted (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=962025&tstart=0) by some Mac Pro owners on Apple's discussion forums.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/01/apple-denies-reports-of-mac-pros-emitting-toxic-fumes/)



peepboon
Oct 1, 2008, 06:35 PM
Apple are the first to make those scented laptops ;) hehehe

miketcool
Oct 1, 2008, 06:37 PM
There was something in the cool-aid!

At least we can now explain Jobs' current health...

peepboon
Oct 1, 2008, 06:39 PM
There was something in the cool-aid!

At least we can now explain Jobs' current health...

The toxic fumes got to his head and he forgot to release the new MB/MBP ;)

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 06:40 PM
....one reporter in france.

Apple says they havent found evidence, BUT are still looking further into it.

I've looked and i really cant find any more sources for this claim, but its not like apple is just saying FU its fine.

lamadude
Oct 1, 2008, 06:42 PM
Some people seem to think that not emitting toxic fumes is "negative"

Auzburner
Oct 1, 2008, 06:43 PM
Yeah, this is strange. Hope there really is not a problem.

Now a Mac is a lot like your car!

Try smelling the air coming out of the tailpipe of your car and let me know how it smells... It just might be toxic... Maybe.

kabunaru
Oct 1, 2008, 06:44 PM
So, Macs are not as "green" as Apple wants people to believe they are?

highjumppudding
Oct 1, 2008, 06:45 PM
i smell it on my mac pro 8-core (early 2008).

KingYaba
Oct 1, 2008, 06:47 PM
Describe the smell please.

celavato
Oct 1, 2008, 06:47 PM
A strange startup odor has been noted (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=962025&tstart=0) by some Mac Pro owners on Apple's discussion forums.[/url]

That thread ended in December 2007 so I hope this issue applies only to the previous generation. We have two 2008 Mac Pros with a third en route. No smell as far as I can tell.

Transeau
Oct 1, 2008, 06:47 PM
There is always somebody trying to find something bad about some product so that they can sue.

A Mac Pro without any failed parts will not release any fumes.

Quite frankly, if some french moron is continuing to use a computer that has a toxic smell coming from it, then that person probably needs more fumes. Personally, if I smell fumes coming from a computer.... I turn it off.

MacTheSpoon
Oct 1, 2008, 06:52 PM
I think all computers release electronic-ish smells.

The only thing really making my Mac smell is the odor from this story.

TCM333
Oct 1, 2008, 06:52 PM
has anyone taken apart a mac pro, rolled it and then smoked it... The Toxic fumes are awesome... they made me much snappier

flir67
Oct 1, 2008, 06:53 PM
cheap thermal compound possibly? coming from pc modding crowd years ago, I guess its possibly today.

maybe its time for some artic silver thermal compound. not pushing any product but that stuff works....

if anyone is up to doing it yourself here's the link

http://www.arcticsilver.com/

but what ever you do, if it smells bad coming from a computer that can't be good, get some fresh air going into that room

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 06:54 PM
So, Macs are not as "green" as Apple wants people to believe they are?

you and i both know that apple promised to go more green by the END of this year. There hasnt been any change in the macpro as far as im aware of.

CarlHeanerd
Oct 1, 2008, 06:54 PM
Anyone ever thought it is just burning dust? That smells like burning crayons... What does the supposed toxin smell like? Smelly?

kabunaru
Oct 1, 2008, 06:55 PM
There hasnt been any change in the macpro as far as im aware of.

So, then the Mac Pro should be updated before the end of this year then if Apple fulfils their promise of "environmental green products".
The Mac Pro can be a lot "greener".

Brianstorm91
Oct 1, 2008, 06:56 PM
Get ready for the Wikipedia Scientists to arrive any time now..

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 06:57 PM
So, then the Mac Pro should be updated before the end of this year then if Apple fulfils their promise of "environmental green products".
The Mac Pro can be a lot "greener".

id actually expect it just a little late, say macworld?

AnthonyG
Oct 1, 2008, 06:58 PM
i dont smell it at all on my 8 core...

Wayne s
Oct 1, 2008, 07:00 PM
We in the Western world are big on recycling, you know the stuff, paper,wood, glass and PLASTIC...much of the plastic is contaminated with things such as paint and oil, ie paint tubs and oil bottles. The list of plastic "receptacles" is endless.

Much of this plastic waste is shipped from all over the world into Asia, where it is then recycled. What's it recycled into?

Toys, for your kids.
PC's
iMac's
Anything and everything, who cares its cheap.

I remember about 25 years ago and toys where die-cast, metal, they would last for years.

Then came plastic toys, if they broke you could by this wonder glue, or super glue and fix them. You try using super glue on some of the cheap plastic toys you get now days and they melt.

dzhiurgis
Oct 1, 2008, 07:01 PM
That's called marijuana people! Where do you think these fractals are coming from? Apple goes greeen.

"Yes it blends. iSmoke. Don't breathe this."

cosmokanga2
Oct 1, 2008, 07:03 PM
Describe the smell please.
Well doc, it smells like heated apples. It smells awesome!

(I just couldn't help it):D

lamina
Oct 1, 2008, 07:03 PM
This has nothing to do with the computer being more or less 'green'. It's a computer. It has electronics inside of it, which have a smell. Go to FutureShop and stick your face inside a newer display PC, and you will smell *gasp* electronics!

kabunaru
Oct 1, 2008, 07:04 PM
Well doc, it smells like heated apples. It smells awesome!


Do not smell it. That smell is bad for you. Replace the Mac Pro as soon as possible.

dvince2
Oct 1, 2008, 07:09 PM
Toxic Fumes? That can only warrant a "positive" vote...

Nah... but really? lets hope it's not true because I'm looking into getting me a Mac Pro soon :p

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 07:11 PM
Do not smell it. That smell is bad for you. Replace the Mac Pro as soon as possible.

.....why do you always beleive everything you read man????

there has been ONE source of this and it was tested by ONE (arguably biased) lab.

kabunaru
Oct 1, 2008, 07:12 PM
.....why do you always beleive everything you read man????

My attempt at humour.

elppa
Oct 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
Get ready for the Wikipedia Scientists to arrive any time now..


:D

Brilliant. I'll be nicking that phrase.

Sadly the xenophobic comments appear to have arrived even earlier.

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 07:14 PM
My attempt at humour.

my bad. You should know that humor doesnt translate well here.

joueboy
Oct 1, 2008, 07:16 PM
That scientist what he didn't realized that his mouth is closer to his nose than the laptop his holding. So he has to investigate first where that smell really came from, maybe from his mouth. You know those scientist they never took care of themselves like basic stuff: brushing, showering, changing clothes that's why they always look weird.

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 07:17 PM
That scientist what he didn't realized that his mouth is closer to his nose than the laptop his holding. So he has to investigate first where that smell really came from, maybe from his mouth. You know those scientist they never took care of themselves like basic stuff: brushing, showering, changing clothes that's why they always look weird.

http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/05/mythbuster-kari.jpg

what was that?


(ok shes not a scientist, but who doesnt love kari byron!?)

ryanwarsaw
Oct 1, 2008, 07:20 PM
Optimistically speaking this is page 2

Silicon Jedi
Oct 1, 2008, 07:22 PM
Mac Pro smoke... don't breathe this...

moutian
Oct 1, 2008, 07:24 PM
Well, I smoke. So I should not care, as I am always poisoning myself, according to some non-smokers.

dasein
Oct 1, 2008, 07:24 PM
Is it that new car smell??
I think I saw Jesus' face in the reflection of my laptop...anyone else seen it??

SimonTheSoundMa
Oct 1, 2008, 07:24 PM
Had a few white Intel iMacs, we had to move them elsewhere as they had a very weird smell that made people feel sick.

The front of your nose smelt it, made some cough.

nagromme
Oct 1, 2008, 07:26 PM
I thought it was just the new accessible multi-sensory startup chime.

plokoonpma
Oct 1, 2008, 07:26 PM
Massive hysteria anyone?

Its funny to see this happening hehehe. I have 3 Mac Pro's and give service to several dozens and never found any strange odor another than a dirty office or anything apart from the machine itself.

SBik2
Oct 1, 2008, 07:27 PM
Mac Pro smoke... don't breathe this...

haha i bet if blentech made a blender big enough, we would be able to ask the question.. Will it blend?:cool::)

Eidorian
Oct 1, 2008, 07:27 PM
I don't know about you but smoke is what makes a computer work. That is why whenever you do something to let the smoke out, your computer stops working. :D

synth3tik
Oct 1, 2008, 07:29 PM
ah, the smell of ozone, maybe it was not a good idea to over clock the MP.:D

joueboy
Oct 1, 2008, 07:29 PM
http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/05/mythbuster-kari.jpg

what was that?


(ok shes not a scientist, but who doesnt love kari byron!?)

SHE'S NOT A SCIENTIST SHE'S AN ARTIST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Byron

mkrishnan
Oct 1, 2008, 07:31 PM
This has nothing to do with the computer being more or less 'green'. It's a computer. It has electronics inside of it, which have a smell. Go to FutureShop and stick your face inside a newer display PC, and you will smell *gasp* electronics!

Possibly, but there are also other things that happen as a result of manufacturing failures -- plastics will emit an unusual / unacceptable amount of hydrocarbon materials if they were not cured properly. It's also not uncommon to read occasionally about limited batches of consumer products having unusual residual amounts of cleaning agents typically used to clean various parts of the manufacturing apparatus.

Most of the causes for an unusually high amount of heavy molecule emission from a product like this (when it isn't actually on fire or overheating at the moment) are along those lines -- manufacturing failures that are not indicative of design flaw and which can come and go.

So I wouldn't write it off immediately. If the evidence can be validated with a sniffer, then Apple will be able to date code it and identify the affected computers, and its wholly appropriate for them to be recalled.

angemon89
Oct 1, 2008, 07:34 PM
I wonder if its that new electronic smell that some devices tend to emit(VCR's are one example I can think of). That smell is deadly.

joueboy
Oct 1, 2008, 07:35 PM
Apple Should Have Put Some Weeds Inside Their Mac Pros. Smell It Baby That's Why You Pay Premium On Those PROS. New Sticker Will Be Attached Not Intel Inside it should be "Weeds Inside". Lol!

amac4me
Oct 1, 2008, 07:51 PM
It will be interesting what comes of this story. I'm sure others will begin to investigate. Who knows, this may open the door to an analysis of all Macs and perhaps all computers on the market.

brad.c
Oct 1, 2008, 07:57 PM
Who else is surprised the French would complain about odour? :D

<ducks, runs for cover, je m'excuse, j'ai un mal à la tête.>

daddywags214
Oct 1, 2008, 07:57 PM
Hey, maybe my Mac Pro will make me high!!

localoid
Oct 1, 2008, 08:00 PM
A lot of people are going to look silly when Apple releases the firmware update that enables the iSmellAVision feature in the Mac Pros.

BlackMR2
Oct 1, 2008, 08:09 PM
I can't comment on the Mac Pro BUT I can add that I believe the accessories that come with the ipods/iphone etc (like the earphones, usb cable etc) are stinky as hell! They smell VERY toxic! when i opened my iphone 3G the smell off anything in there with the white plastic was terrible.

I also find that blank DVDs (or at least the ones i'm using at the moment) give off nasty fumes all the time and it's noticeable at close range. If i put one near my face my eyes will even sting....

very strange

Fast Shadow
Oct 1, 2008, 08:18 PM
I noticed a pretty strong "new electronics smell" when I unboxed my MP, but it wasn't nauseating or didn't smell any different than any other piece of electronic gear packed in styrofoam and plastic that I've ever unboxed. This sounds like whatever is affecting people is different. Of course it could also be entirely mental, like the weirdos who claim that wi-fi networks and microwave ovens make them sick. :rolleyes:

richard.mac
Oct 1, 2008, 08:26 PM
HAHA this is such sensationalist crap. Digg - Newspaper says Macs cause cancer (http://digg.com/apple/Newspaper_says_Macs_cause_cancer) LMAO! and check out the comments about Mac users. i dont know if i want to laugh… or laugh :p.

and of course Apple are going to deny it. which public company wouldnt?

NT1440
Oct 1, 2008, 08:28 PM
HAHA this is such sensationalist crap. Digg - Newspaper says Macs cause cancer (http://digg.com/apple/Newspaper_says_Macs_cause_cancer) LMAO! and check out the comments about Mac users. i dont know if i want to laugh… or laugh :p.

and of course Apple are going to deny it. which public company wouldnt?
one that doesnt want to get their asses sued so hard they dont know wats wat......


either way, i can guarentee that apple is deffinatly looking into it. Seeing as only one source says this is a problem........


meh

gifford
Oct 1, 2008, 08:34 PM
has anyone taken apart a mac pro, rolled it and then smoked it... The Toxic fumes are awesome... they made me much snappier


heheh :)

macshill
Oct 1, 2008, 08:41 PM
I think all computers release electronic-ish smells.

The only thing really making my Mac smell is the odor from this story.

I love, love, looooooooooove the smell of new electronics. That and gasoline.

In the imortal words of PeeWee Herman: "He who smelt it, dealt it." ;):p:D:apple:

Dasmo
Oct 1, 2008, 08:44 PM
If I remember correctly, benzene is heavier than air, so unless you're below your mac pro, or it's on your desk, there's not really a risk from benzene coming out of your mac pro. Not to say that it's great to have any source of benzene around, but it's not as dangerous as it sounds.

donga
Oct 1, 2008, 08:48 PM
what? can anyone with a mac pro tell us what it smells like?

colonels1020
Oct 1, 2008, 09:01 PM
what? can anyone with a mac pro tell us what it smells like?

Supposedly it smells like an old soggy moldy rug that's been sitting in the hot summer sun for several days. :confused:

Lesser Evets
Oct 1, 2008, 09:07 PM
I sometimes smell methane when using my Mac...

Can I sue, too??

Glideslope
Oct 1, 2008, 09:17 PM
what? can anyone with a mac pro tell us what it smells like?

To be honest opening the box the first time is where it's at. The release of all the plastic and styrofoam outgassing is the ultimate high. I'll usually take the box in the basement to open it slowly. I'll slit the top lengthwise and insert a plastic tube to inhale for several minutes.

After that to be honest its all down hill. You will get some nice outgassing for a day or two as all the components cycle a few times.

The only thing I look forward to these days is when I due some serious video and she really cranks up the fans. But unfortunately its only a 5-10min period of inhalation

On a brighter note, I'm receiving a new set up from the IT guys at work next week. Although I may not notice any toxic fumes as I will be using Vista 64 in a parallel universe.

Man I love the French. Nothing but a back door lie to bash iTunes and Apple.
:apple:

Trainwreck707
Oct 1, 2008, 09:36 PM
My 2008 Mac Pro definitely has a funny smell to it. It smells like some sweet funky chemical that I don't recognize. I've had it since February so there shouldn't be any off-gassing. I called my local Apple service shop recently and they said they had never heard of such a thing.

On mornings when the windows have been closed all night it stinks up the entire room its in. I have bitched to my wife about it and even complained of feeling queezy while using it so I am not surprised at all to see this article. I guess its time to either call Apple again or just bring it in to the local shop. Hopefully its not as toxic as this article claims.

danbirchall
Oct 1, 2008, 09:36 PM
I thought it was just the new accessible multi-sensory startup chime.

I always thought they called it the "startup bong."

Hmmm... that would explain the smell.

richard.mac
Oct 1, 2008, 09:41 PM
this page has funnies :D literal LOL.

kabunaru
Oct 1, 2008, 09:45 PM
Apple,
The Mac Pro needs to be de-toxified urgently. :eek:

calisurfboy
Oct 1, 2008, 10:00 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Earlier this week, a report (http://www.liberation.fr/terre/010133618-mac-pro-le-pepin-toxique-pour-apple) posted to a french newspaper claimed (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) that some Mac Pros emitting an odor could be actually be toxic fumes. An Apple spokesperson spoke to Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) and stated that they have not found any evidence to prove this claim, but states they will continue to investigate it.

A strange startup odor has been noted (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=962025&tstart=0) by some Mac Pro owners on Apple's discussion forums.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/01/apple-denies-reports-of-mac-pros-emitting-toxic-fumes/)

Great! First they tell me that macs are made of toxic chemicals so I cannot lick the components anymore and now I am unable to smell it! With all my options blocked, how can I truly show my appreciation and physical love for my mac? =( I'll just sit here instead and admire the sexy curves of my mac mini from a distance. Look but do not touch.... just like marriage with my former wife. *sigh*

In all seriousness though can someone translate the article into english? I am wondering what scientific and hard evidence they have that says the fumes are toxic? It is sensational journalism and raising red flags before they need be nowadays that cause a lot of problems and I hope this is not another instance of that issue.

MowingDevil
Oct 1, 2008, 10:02 PM
There is always somebody trying to find something bad about some product so that they can sue.

A Mac Pro without any failed parts will not release any fumes.

Quite frankly, if some french moron is continuing to use a computer that has a toxic smell coming from it, then that person probably needs more fumes. Personally, if I smell fumes coming from a computer.... I turn it off.

That was quite the ignorant post - well done! :rolleyes:

Njordgreen
Oct 1, 2008, 10:06 PM
i cant believe it i was reading http://tinyurl.com/4xmeuj and i just can't believe it i wonder how long it will take to prove this.

MowingDevil
Oct 1, 2008, 10:11 PM
Well doc, it smells like heated apples. It smells awesome!

(I just couldn't help it):D

Like homemade apple pie....mmm :cool:

MacGohil
Oct 1, 2008, 10:19 PM
Get ready for the Wikipedia Scientists to arrive any time now..

LOL! :D

Bugs78
Oct 1, 2008, 10:32 PM
Apple are the first to make those scented laptops ;) hehehe

Apple 'wreaks of awesomeness'

kaiwai
Oct 1, 2008, 10:36 PM
my bad. You should know that humor doesnt translate well here.

How about something even more obvious - it isn't even funny!

spatlese44
Oct 1, 2008, 10:55 PM
Umm, how much benzene? Thing is that all sorts of things emit benzene. It's not like they just thought, "hey, let's add some benzene!" Benzene formation or inclusion would be far less surprising than some of the more bizarre organic compounds you might not expect to find and worry about. Question isn't if, it's how much and why. Sources of benzene are all around us. If you can't quantify and compare to relevant standards, then you are a hack, not a scientist.

This said, I did purchase a pair of shoes once that had a horrible off gassing smell. Who knows what they put into the "rubber" in these. Actual rubber production is sometimes more alchemy than science. That's what you get when products are made in countries with low environmental standards and low ethic to profit ratios. Wasn't there just that milk thing????

Tosser
Oct 1, 2008, 11:03 PM
There is always somebody trying to find something bad about some product so that they can sue.

A Mac Pro without any failed parts will not release any fumes.

Quite frankly, if some french moron is continuing to use a computer that has a toxic smell coming from it, then that person probably needs more fumes. Personally, if I smell fumes coming from a computer.... I turn it off.

You'll be amazed how many people on these forums have been talking about "the new mac smell" and how much they liked it.
Possibly, but there are also other things that happen as a result of manufacturing failures -- plastics will emit an unusual / unacceptable amount of hydrocarbon materials if they were not cured properly. It's also not uncommon to read occasionally about limited batches of consumer products having unusual residual amounts of cleaning agents typically used to clean various parts of the manufacturing apparatus.

Most of the causes for an unusually high amount of heavy molecule emission from a product like this (when it isn't actually on fire or overheating at the moment) are along those lines -- manufacturing failures that are not indicative of design flaw and which can come and go.

So I wouldn't write it off immediately. If the evidence can be validated with a sniffer, then Apple will be able to date code it and identify the affected computers, and its wholly appropriate for them to be recalled.

Yup, and most computers are made in Chinese factories.

If I remember correctly, benzene is heavier than air, so unless you're below your mac pro, or it's on your desk, there's not really a risk from benzene coming out of your mac pro. Not to say that it's great to have any source of benzene around, but it's not as dangerous as it sounds.

Hmm. A breeze in the room, or, surprisingly enough, a fan – usually within your computer – takes care of that theory.

junker
Oct 1, 2008, 11:08 PM
I posted this in 2006:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=219863&highlight=dual+processor+smells+funny

...about my new (at the time) Dual Processor 2.3 G5 and my concerns about IT'S odd smells...I described it as "Ozone" smell. As it was discussed more in the forum, it seemed to be less ozone and something else more indescribable...but clearly a different smell than I was used to. It concerns me still to this day, but I have to become use it and unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) I rarely notice it.

Curious to see how this evolves.

fleshman03
Oct 1, 2008, 11:11 PM
Now that is a headline you don't see everyday!

twoodcc
Oct 1, 2008, 11:39 PM
let's just hope that if this is true, apple will find it and fix it

Velin
Oct 1, 2008, 11:39 PM
Bought a new Mac Pro for home several months ago. No fumes. We liked them to such a degree that we bought a bunch for the office. No fumes. No smoking. Nothing.

Had an old hard drive go bad in my home Mac Pro. Fumes? No. Just swapped out the bad drive, stuck in a new one, took like 5 minutes to fix. No smoking.

Machines are running flawlessly, haven't rebooted my home machine in weeks. We use these Mac Pros lots -- not uncommon for them to be left on for many days at a time. Each sports three hard drives, 16 G RAM, and we are pounding on them constantly for work. No problems, no smoke.

Story is total and complete BS.

Tosser
Oct 1, 2008, 11:46 PM
Bought a new Mac Pro for home several months ago. No fumes. We liked them to such a degree that we bought a bunch for the office. No fumes. No smoking. Nothing.

Had an old hard drive go bad in my home Mac Pro. Fumes? No. Just swapped out the bad drive, stuck in a new one, took like 5 minutes to fix. No smoking.

Machines are running flawlessly, haven't rebooted my home machine in weeks. We use these Mac Pros lots -- not uncommon for them to be left on for many days at a time. Each sports three hard drives, 16 G RAM, and we are pounding on them constantly for work. No problems, no smoke.

Story is total and complete BS.

Ah, yes, because your miniscule sample precludes any and all batches and models from having manufacturers defects :rolleyes:

Velin
Oct 1, 2008, 11:51 PM
Ah, yes, because your miniscule sample precludes any and all batches and models from having manufacturers defects

Yes.

SandynJosh
Oct 1, 2008, 11:51 PM
Badges! I don't need your steenking badges!

robotica
Oct 2, 2008, 12:01 AM
To be honest opening the box the first time is where it's at. The release of all the plastic and styrofoam outgassing is the ultimate high. I'll usually take the box in the basement to open it slowly. I'll slit the top lengthwise and insert a plastic tube to inhale for several minutes.


This is the most genuinely disturbing thing I have ever heard

LanPhantom
Oct 2, 2008, 12:04 AM
Someone dropped ass while the laptop was sitting in their lap and the fumes from their butt got sucked up in the fan and blown out the back. They noticed it and had some hack scientist come in and claim it contained cancer causing chemicals.

You know those French.....:eek:

What a joke!

LanPhantom

Tosser
Oct 2, 2008, 12:05 AM
Yes.

LOL, some people … :p

robotica
Oct 2, 2008, 12:06 AM
Bought a new Mac Pro for home several months ago. No fumes. We liked them to such a degree that we bought a bunch for the office. No fumes. No smoking. Nothing.

Had an old hard drive go bad in my home Mac Pro. Fumes? No. Just swapped out the bad drive, stuck in a new one, took like 5 minutes to fix. No smoking.

Machines are running flawlessly, haven't rebooted my home machine in weeks. We use these Mac Pros lots -- not uncommon for them to be left on for many days at a time. Each sports three hard drives, 16 G RAM, and we are pounding on them constantly for work. No problems, no smoke.

Story is total and complete BS.

lol you wrote all that just to brag about your mac set up didnt you ;)

daze
Oct 2, 2008, 12:06 AM
Hey, maybe my Mac Pro will make me high!!

Good one!

emiliog
Oct 2, 2008, 12:09 AM
Maybe this 1 reporter farted while starting up his mac, so decide to go on and blame it !!:p

Trainwreck707
Oct 2, 2008, 12:29 AM
Bought a new Mac Pro for home several months ago. No fumes. We liked them to such a degree that we bought a bunch for the office. No fumes. No smoking. Nothing.

Had an old hard drive go bad in my home Mac Pro. Fumes? No. Just swapped out the bad drive, stuck in a new one, took like 5 minutes to fix. No smoking.

Machines are running flawlessly, haven't rebooted my home machine in weeks. We use these Mac Pros lots -- not uncommon for them to be left on for many days at a time. Each sports three hard drives, 16 G RAM, and we are pounding on them constantly for work. No problems, no smoke.

Story is total and complete BS.

Well, my Mac Pro stinks. I can't say for sure its Benzine, but I can say that you are an idiot.

MowingDevil
Oct 2, 2008, 12:38 AM
I'm not even French yet all this bashing is rather disturbing. No one likes their culture constantly insulted...of course, everyone's own society is perfect isn't it. :rolleyes:

The article I read seemed fair (except for that graphic they chose), apparently Apple has had the report since February. I don't see how someone can sit there & bash the report without being there to experience the computer & see the results? Perhaps it is just a bad batch? ...or if its more than that wouldn't you want to see Apple fix it? I bet you Apple would want to know about it & fix it.

And for anyone focusing on just benzene perhaps you should read a little closer, it described a "toxic combination of gasses including Benzene."

http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/News/October-2008/French-researcher-claims-the-Mac-Pro-emits-toxic-g.aspx

To the poster who says benzen is heavier than air so its ok that this stuff is floating around near your feet....because most people don't put Pro on their desktop....give your head a shake. Very comforting.
I'd like to believe the article its an overreaction but I'd rather that than if it was a serious problem that was just swept under the rug. Be thankful that someone's looking into it.

ibejohn818
Oct 2, 2008, 12:54 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Earlier this week, a report (http://www.liberation.fr/terre/010133618-mac-pro-le-pepin-toxique-pour-apple) posted to a French newspaper claimed (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) that and odor being emitted by some Mac Pros could actually be toxic fumes.

These are most likely the specially designed mac pro's just for the French.

The are designed in america....:apple: (http://www.smoothharold.com/uploaded_images/designedbyappleincalifornia.jpg)

everettmarshall
Oct 2, 2008, 01:04 AM
There is always somebody trying to find something bad about some product so that they can sue.

A Mac Pro without any failed parts will not release any fumes.

Quite frankly, if some french moron is continuing to use a computer that has a toxic smell coming from it, then that person probably needs more fumes. Personally, if I smell fumes coming from a computer.... I turn it off.

1. I'm not trying to sue anyone, or Apple.
2. My Mac Pro must have had a catastrophic failure of many parts because it is pretty freakin' fumey. (Oddly, it still runs great with all those failed parts.)
3. I am not French.

My 2.66 MP has a "skunky" smell. It has subsided a bit since I bought it in Jan 08 but it is still there. I'm not too worried about the fumes since there has been no smoke or any other adverse effects. However, my son (who is four) has been sleeping in the corner of my office since about mid-March. At least he hasn't been fighting with his sister.

pimentoLoaf
Oct 2, 2008, 01:07 AM
You know, there is a strange odor in new cars that goes away after a few months of use ... :p

I personally have no experience with my computers getting smelly during operation; then again, I don't recall sniffing my machines.

LanPhantom
Oct 2, 2008, 01:13 AM
1. I'm not trying to sue anyone, or Apple.
2. My Mac Pro must have had a catastrophic failure of many parts because it is pretty freakin' fumey. (Oddly, it still runs great with all those failed parts.)
3. I am not French.

My 2.66 MP has a "skunky" smell. It has subsided a bit since I bought it in Jan 08 but it is still there. I'm not too worried about the fumes since there has been no smoke or any other adverse effects. However, my son (who is four) has been sleeping in the corner of my office since about mid-March. At least he hasn't been fighting with his sister.

This post made me laugh so hard. Thanks I needed it.

Posted on a fumey iPhone 3G, must be my burned out 3g chipset. Still works like a champ.

Patriiick
Oct 2, 2008, 01:32 AM
I am french and seeing that the article is from "liberation" paper.. i would not pay ANY attention to it.
Their typical editorial line is very weak, lots of FUD on many topics, and definitely have ZERO expertise on IT subjects.
There are never in-depth articles.... should this come from "le Monde", or "Le figaro" this would be another story.
This paper is known for catchy titles and provovative articles, but never go in-depth..ever..

There were busted last year for claiming about knowing about the french president sending love text messages to his ex wife and stuff.
They were debunked and had to withdraw. This shows how "Serious" this newspaper is.

It has as much credibility as Sarah Palin talking about the Macbook Pro refresh..

kockgunner
Oct 2, 2008, 01:32 AM
The toxic fumes got to his head and he forgot to release the new MB/MBP ;)

hahaha nice one

daverso
Oct 2, 2008, 01:41 AM
man these articles are getting more and more boring... Hurry up and dig up some info about these new laptops :p

Shagrat
Oct 2, 2008, 02:03 AM
man these articles are getting more and more boring... Hurry up and dig up some info about these new laptops :p

'nuff said!:)

macjiro
Oct 2, 2008, 02:39 AM
has anyone taken apart a mac pro, rolled it and then smoked it... The Toxic fumes are awesome... they made me much snappier

heh....i don't know anything about those fumes but i like the smell of matches after they are striked...so don't ask me. ;P

mgsarch
Oct 2, 2008, 03:35 AM
ozone smell here for a year and I barely notice it anymore either .. uh ohhhh
:apple::cool::apple:

phalewhale
Oct 2, 2008, 04:16 AM
I'm trying to progress to page 5 of this thread and I'm sure I've been reading a LOAD of double posts! Maybe it's the fumes of of this old DELL I'm having to use at the moment... nay.

Anyway, if it were ozone, you'd probably be coughing quite a bit. And for the record, I absolutely adore the new smell my previous MBP's/MB's and iMac's have emitted. I had quite a few as well due to returns at the time. I miss that odour. Maybe buy a new keyboard to capture it once more

Velin
Oct 2, 2008, 04:19 AM
Well, my Mac Pro stinks. I can't say for sure its Benzine, but I can say that you are an idiot.

Keep checking email. I'll let you know when I care about what you "can say."

satcomer
Oct 2, 2008, 04:39 AM
I sometimes smell methane when using my Mac...

Can I sue, too??

I think you need to stop going to that fake Mexican chain. :p

jmadlena
Oct 2, 2008, 04:49 AM
This post made me laugh so hard. Thanks I needed it.

Posted on a fumey iPhone 3G, must be my burned out 3g chipset. Still works like a champ.

I don't see the Mac Pros emitting toxic fumes as likely, but I am glad that Apple is looking into the possibility. Better safe than sorry.

I only quoted your post to say I'm from Puyallup, too! W00t! Weird... to encounter someone on one of the many interwebs from my same medium sized hometown.

peterdevries
Oct 2, 2008, 05:00 AM
New electronics can emit some fumes in the beginning due to heating of some of the components.

Many plastics contain traces of benzene and it can be that these traces are cooking off. Anyway, the concentration is probably so low that it would be more dangerous to open your car window on the highway. Exhaust fumes from cars still contain a lot of benzene.

I know how they measure these fumes coming of electronics or other stuff and it's usually done with a gas chromatographer. These things are so sensitive that they would probably detect benzene in the breath of a fresh born baby.

This is most likely a lot of fuss about nothing. There is definitely not enough benzene in the mac pro to cause cancer.. Unless you are sitting in a broomcloset with 20 new ones firing up for the first time...

I bet they would detect the same fumes coming from Dell's, Toshiba's, HP's etc..

Schizoid
Oct 2, 2008, 05:10 AM
Only the French can smell it, mainly due to the fact that it's probably cigarette smoke going in the front end, reacting with something exotic inside, and being emitted as benzene out the back!

clu10
Oct 2, 2008, 06:11 AM
There was something in the cool-aid!

At least we can now explain Jobs' current health...

dont you mean KOOL-AID

Fezzasus
Oct 2, 2008, 06:13 AM
i smell it on my mac pro 8-core (early 2008).

The fact is that in order to smell the solvents such as benzene, they must be volatile so you simply will not still be able to smell such solvents on a computer that old. Prior to being discovered to be carcinogenic, benzene was used to wash down desks because it evaporated so quickly.

Fezzasus
Oct 2, 2008, 06:16 AM
Exhaust fumes from cars still contain a lot of benzene.

Not true. Not only is benzene added to petrol in very small quantities, but any car with a catalytic converter (either the newer three stage or older two stage) is designed to convert unburnt hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water.

Fezzasus
Oct 2, 2008, 06:19 AM
ozone smell here for a year and I barely notice it anymore either .. uh ohhhh
:apple::cool::apple:

unless your Mac has a serious wiring problem causing a 1000 volt arc inside, it is not producing ozone.

Fezzasus
Oct 2, 2008, 06:34 AM
Umm, how much benzene? Thing is that all sorts of things emit benzene. It's not like they just thought, "hey, let's add some benzene!" Benzene formation or inclusion would be far less surprising than some of the more bizarre organic compounds you might not expect to find and worry about. Question isn't if, it's how much and why. Sources of benzene are all around us. If you can't quantify and compare to relevant standards, then you are a hack, not a scientist.

This said, I did purchase a pair of shoes once that had a horrible off gassing smell. Who knows what they put into the "rubber" in these. Actual rubber production is sometimes more alchemy than science. That's what you get when products are made in countries with low environmental standards and low ethic to profit ratios. Wasn't there just that milk thing????

It's rich to call someone a hack when you can't even produce a diagram of benzene. Your diagram suggests that there are two triple bonds, two double bonds and two radicals (which are highly unstable and would instantly form a 3rd double bond if this were the case). This is not only impossible, but if by some bastardisation of chemistry was produced, would be far too strained to exist for any measurable time period. Add to that your laughable view that the formation of benzene would be unsurprising within a mac pro and i'm starting to question how you are able to distinguish between hacks and scientists.

BTW. Vulcanisation (not rubber production as rubber in it's natural form is an unusable tar-like substance) is very well known science as it has existed since the 19th Century.

kornyboy
Oct 2, 2008, 06:45 AM
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F136 Safari/525.20)

I haven't heard about this. I wonder what percentage of mac pros it actually affects if any.

fat phil
Oct 2, 2008, 06:48 AM
I'm inhaling formaldehyde, cyanide, benzene and sucking on a fiberglass filter, and I feel great.

Pass the baby milk.

peterdevries
Oct 2, 2008, 06:54 AM
Not true. Not only is benzene added to petrol in very small quantities, but any car with a catalytic converter (either the newer three stage or older two stage) is designed to convert unburnt hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water.

I know, but there are still many cars around without catalytic converters.. The chance of encountering benzene molecules is higher when sticking your head out of your car, than sticking it in a Mac Pro.

peterdevries
Oct 2, 2008, 06:56 AM
This said, I did purchase a pair of shoes once that had a horrible off gassing smell. Who knows what they put into the "rubber" in these.

It's survival of the fittest. People who wear Crocks have a lower life-expectancy than people wearing leather shoes. In addition, people with leather shoes are less bound to have belly-button piercings, PC computers and tattoos.. :D

PinkyMacGodess
Oct 2, 2008, 07:20 AM
We got in 6 HP workstations for a client (higher end desktops) and 2 of them smelled to high heaven.

The smell was almost like burning hair.

We did our thing to the systems and delivered them. They are in a very well ventilated shop and you can't detect any odor.

Yes, some smell is normal but those that did smell really smelled, bad. The kind of smell that stuck in your clothes and hair. YECCHHH!

One point is that American import laws are a lot less stringent than those of most foreign companies. For an example, you can import plywood and particle board into this country that you can't legally use in public housing in New York due to the amount of off gassed toxic fumes. Canada exports to the US stuff that they can't import because of the toxic smells.

And NOTHING smells as bad as a new Tempurpedic mattress... My god but that thing STUNK! I would get sore a sore throat and headache from that damn thing. I had to turn the heat up and keep the windows opened! It took nearly four months to get rid of it yet the company said that's 'normal' and 'tough it out'. Their 'guarantee' is worthless. There was no return possibility. I learned about the import laws after researching the smells from that mattress. 'Give us your tired huddled masses and all the toxic off gassing products you can make. Think Katrina trailers and the toxic plywood...

But anyway, we have had power supplies burn out here from time to time and yikes =:-O the smells are incredibly bad...

Sesshi
Oct 2, 2008, 07:38 AM
Perhaps it doesn't flush it out as quick as many other machines due to the reduced airflow, and the boot sequence simply acts to serve up another waft.

So Nice
Oct 2, 2008, 07:43 AM
I am french and seeing that the article is from "liberation" paper.. i would not pay ANY attention to it.
Their typical editorial line is very weak, lots of FUD on many topics, and definitely have ZERO expertise on IT subjects.
There are never in-depth articles.... should this come from "le Monde", or "Le figaro" this would be another story.
This paper is known for catchy titles and provovative articles, but never go in-depth..ever..

There were busted last year for claiming about knowing about the french president sending love text messages to his ex wife and stuff.
They were debunked and had to withdraw. This shows how "Serious" this newspaper is.

It has as much credibility as Sarah Palin talking about the Macbook Pro refresh..

Hem.. the "false" (?) news you're talking about was published by the "Nouvel Observateur" not by Liberation, so please keep your unappropriate comments for yourself.

Moreover, the MacPro problems was first published by the very well known and honorable Macbidouille website (www.macbidouille.com) one year ago :
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2007-08-20/#14816

Then again recently :
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2008-09-26/#17122
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2008-09-28/

You could read many comments in the forum telling that the described case is not the only one. I guess there are only a few, but thanks to them, the problem is now under investigation by Apple. Thermal paste is suspected.

Tosser
Oct 2, 2008, 07:49 AM
Hem.. the "false" (?) news you're talking about was published by the "Nouvel Observateur" not by Liberation, so please keep your unappropriate comments for yourself.

Moreover, the MacPro problems was first published by the very well known and honorable Macbidouille website (www.macbidouille.com) one year ago :
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2007-08-20/#14816

Then again recently :
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2008-09-26/#17122
http://www.macbidouille.com/news/2008-09-28/

You could read many comments in the forum telling that the described case is not the only one. I guess there are only a few, but thanks to them, the problem is now under investigation by Apple. Thermal paste is suspected.

Thank you. It was needed.

brad.c
Oct 2, 2008, 07:50 AM
I wonder, is there any likelihood that the smell would be picked up in transit?
Trace the effected lots to a single shipment of Mac Pro's and some other offending package.

...Thermal paste is suspected.

Oh, never mind.

It has as much credibility as Sarah Palin talking about the Macbook Pro refresh..

This is my favourite quote of the day. Thank you Patriick! :D

Zeos
Oct 2, 2008, 08:05 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Earlier this week, a report (http://www.liberation.fr/terre/010133618-mac-pro-le-pepin-toxique-pour-apple) posted to a French newspaper claimed (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) that and odor being emitted by some Mac Pros could actually be toxic fumes. An Apple spokesperson spoke to Macworld (http://www.macworld.com/article/135835/2008/10/macpro_benzene.html?lsrc=rss_main) and stated that they have not found any evidence to prove this claim, but states they will continue to investigate it.

A strange startup odor has been noted (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=962025&tstart=0) by some Mac Pro owners on Apple's discussion forums.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/01/apple-denies-reports-of-mac-pros-emitting-toxic-fumes/)


Crazy stuff. I'm sure you breathe in a lot more benzene fumes filling up your car at a gas station one time than you would from a lifetime of exposure from a Mac Pro starting up. In fact, the formaldehyde vapors from your carpet will kill you before your Mac Pro will. Let's keep things in perspective, people. :rolleyes:

highjumppudding
Oct 2, 2008, 08:08 AM
does this mean a recall may be in the works? if so, that would be sweet if the upcoming mac pros are non-toxic and everyone with previous models get to swap machines. just a thought. i used to work at the apple store and a genius said that the aluminum that the mac pros are made of came from an haunted ancient indian burial ground. it is making more sense now.

tabsaid
Oct 2, 2008, 08:45 AM
My MacPro 1.1 had a real potent new electronics smell for the first couple weeks. Whole apartment smelled. I loved it though, smell should be bottled and sold. Hope it's just toxic enough to get us all new systems but no real heath effects. Cancer does not sound too good, doubt it's that bad though.

edenwaith
Oct 2, 2008, 08:46 AM
What if I emit toxic fumes when I start up in the morning?

dstrauss
Oct 2, 2008, 08:47 AM
Anyone ever investigate if they were running Vista in boot camp at the time? :rolleyes:

polaris20
Oct 2, 2008, 08:48 AM
It's survival of the fittest. People who wear Crocks have a lower life-expectancy than people wearing leather shoes. In addition, people with leather shoes are less bound to have belly-button piercings, PC computers and tattoos.. :D

What if I wear Crocks occasionally at home while doing garden work, but where leather Sketchers at work, do not have a belly button ring, do have a couple tattoos, do have a PC but also a PB G4 and plan on getting a new MB? :D

This is all true by the way.

PinkyMacGodess
Oct 2, 2008, 08:51 AM
What if I emit toxic fumes when I start up in the morning?

Have someone smell your breath...

The 'you are what you eat' cliche took on new meaning when a co-worker years ago had breath that literally smelled like ****. He had a stomach virus and a bad ulcer. He ate some of the strangest stuff... We all thought his stomach was going to revolt, and it did.

PinkyMacGodess
Oct 2, 2008, 08:55 AM
What if I wear Crocks occasionally at home while doing garden work, but where leather Sketchers at work, do not have a belly button ring, do have a couple tattoos, do have a PC but also a PB G4 and plan on getting a new MB? :D

This is all true by the way.

The problem with stereotypes is that they rarely fit the group of people that they are applied to hence using them is rather lame.

I know some of the most conservative people that have macs.

viktore
Oct 2, 2008, 09:00 AM
Yes, ok.

But I thought we already knew about it. They warned us back in January.
Don't you remember:

"There's something in the air"

fat phil
Oct 2, 2008, 09:04 AM
Yes, ok.

But I thought we already knew about it. They warned us back in January.
Don't you remember:

"There's something in the air"

Is that the sound of breaking glass or screaming babies I hear?

looking4anotebo
Oct 2, 2008, 09:28 AM
When it's made in China, anything is possible!

Unspeaked
Oct 2, 2008, 09:33 AM
This is most likely a lot of fuss about nothing. There is definitely not enough benzene in the mac pro to cause cancer.. Unless you are sitting in a broomcloset with 20 new ones firing up for the first time...

Uh oh...

Beric
Oct 2, 2008, 09:34 AM
The mere idea that there might be toxic fumes emitted is enough to rate this article a negative.

I don't like the idea of this one bit.

peterdevries
Oct 2, 2008, 09:49 AM
Uh oh...

Well, 20 is probably an understatement. You would need lots and lots more to get enough trace amounts of benzene together to cause cancer...

Di9it8
Oct 2, 2008, 09:54 AM
The word user has been omitted in the translation of the headline:D

Cheffy Dave
Oct 2, 2008, 09:57 AM
I thought this was spreading to the other products Apple makes,:eek: and it really scared me, Here I am using my BMB and I got this really toxic smell, as I was about to call Apple on my i phone 3 G, I smelled it again, alarmed, OMG ,my phone ,it smells the same as my BMB. Thankfully I got through to Apple and they diagnosed it as the refried bean Taco I had for dinner last night.
Applecare is really worth the money!!:cool::D:D:D
Toxic smells my a**! Give me a break:p

brad.c
Oct 2, 2008, 10:03 AM
Does your computing environment stink? Open Windows!

MowingDevil
Oct 2, 2008, 10:13 AM
Hem.. the "false" (?) news you're talking about was published by the "Nouvel Observateur" not by Liberation, so please keep your unappropriate comments for yourself.

There seems to be something "inappropriate" about that comment...almost ironic in a sense. :p

Dunepilot
Oct 2, 2008, 10:22 AM
Having fixed a load of these machines, all I can suggest is that it might have been a refurb or undergone a repair. A re-engineered circuit board might have been cleaned with a solvent that's used at the repair depot which smells like a mixture of acetone and oranges. I bet that's what they're smelling.

rafdesign
Oct 2, 2008, 10:35 AM
Next...someone is going to say it's good to inhale the fume as he believe he will become a superhero maybe...

I don't know if any of you guys have actually read the french article. The newspaper 'Liberation' is something serious like NYtimes. The researcher was working at the CNRS, which is quite a serious institution...
I am using mac products for many years... but I really don't want to get ill because of the computer sitting next to me. So if Apple or any other company has computer that are dangerous for our health, then we need to know.

thogs_cave
Oct 2, 2008, 10:37 AM
After extensive testing of both my 8-core Pros (work and home), I've determined that I emit more toxic fumes when starting up than they do. :eek:

brad.c
Oct 2, 2008, 10:39 AM
I am using mac products for many years... but I really don't want to get ill because of the computer sitting next to me. So if Apple or any other company has computer that are dangerous for our health, then we need to know.

Slowly, quietly push your desk away from the laser printer. Don't bend over too close to the industrial carpeting if it was cleaned recently. Wait, you're too close to the unfiltered HVAC ducts. :(

bbplayer5
Oct 2, 2008, 10:44 AM
It might sound funny, but this was one of the main reasons I got rid of my mac pro. It smelled like a bastard! If that thing was toxic, ill join that lawsuit!

ale500
Oct 2, 2008, 10:54 AM
Benzene and acetone do not at all smell alike, if someone tells you they do... well probably coffee and almonds do also for him/her.

Unless they do some headspce/GC analysis... benzene cannot be identified with certainty... just claiming it is not enough.

Btw, most probably was toluene or ethyl acetate (used in glues), both known carcinogens (together with benzene).

Otoh, hot asphalt is much more dangerous due to a higher content in poly-aromatic compounds and available in larger amounts on almost every street compared to the probably insignificant amount found on a computer, why not sue the state ?

eyecool
Oct 2, 2008, 11:02 AM
Holy crap! I wonder if Steve's cancer is due to heavy Mac Pro use. I wonder if the same crap comes out of the servers .mac/.me servers. Lack of healthy engineers might explain why the service really sucks.

On a serious note, I use a mac pro at home. I had just brought a pack and play to put next to my desk (right in front of my mac pro) when my wife forwarded me the news. We have a 6 month old daughter. This news is concerning!

Bubba Satori
Oct 2, 2008, 11:04 AM
Does Apple still make computers ?

mitm
Oct 2, 2008, 11:06 AM
Great! Now I can stop toad licking to get me going. Thanks Apple.

MBPro
Oct 2, 2008, 11:06 AM
On occasions my 17" MacBook Pro emits a noxious smell. And another thing, I can't use it as a laptop unless I want 3rd degree burns on my lap. Way too hot!

PinkyMacGodess
Oct 2, 2008, 11:24 AM
Does Apple still make computers ?

Good point. They could actually me 'made' at many different plants in China.

I had problems with an HP printer so I called HP and got the strangest answer to my questions. HP doesn't make the printer, they didn't program the firmware, they don't even provide the support for it. Yet I paid for their name on it.

PinkyMacGodess
Oct 2, 2008, 11:30 AM
On occasions my 17" MacBook Pro emits a noxious smell. And another thing, I can't use it as a laptop unless I want 3rd degree burns on my lap. Way too hot!

Yes! After that SMC program screwed up my MBP, the damn thing is running so hot that it feels almost worse than it ever did before I tried that program. Although I can hear the fans running, I feel that they are not running anywhere near what they should be.

That SMC program now spontaneously deletes itself. I gave up. I'm now looking for Nomex chaps or boxer shorts...

137489
Oct 2, 2008, 11:35 AM
Well doc, it smells like heated apples. It smells awesome!

(I just couldn't help it):D

hmmm. its fall... Cool outside and the apples are ripe. man, now you got me wanting some hot apple pie.....

137489
Oct 2, 2008, 11:41 AM
Maybe this is what Seinfeld meant in those PC commercials when he asked if MS working on something moist and chewy? :D

Again, Ballmer got it wrong and was reading a pie recipe, instead of the latest computer specs: "cooked apples". :D

Guys, it is supposed to be a cake, you do not actually cook the computer

http://coolest-birthday-cakes.shippony.com/images/theme/electronics/computers/computer-cake-02.jpg


Ok, sorry - people are posting jokes and I thought these were funny....

eyecool
Oct 2, 2008, 11:41 AM
On a serious note, I use a mac pro at home. I had just brought a pack and play to put next to my desk (right in front of my mac pro) when my wife forwarded me the news. We have a 6 month old daughter. This news is concerning!

I'm becoming more and more anti 'things made in china'. I've been anti-walmart for years and go out of my way to buy made in anywhere but china. I have a 7 year old too and so much of the crap he gets is made in china.

Really, for the $3k + we spend on our Mac Pros, you'd think they'd carry a hefty enough margin they could manufacturer them in the USA. Even if some parts are China made, you'd think Apple would have more control over the process. When I ordered mine in January, I knew it was made in China but in the Apple vs China battle, Apple won.

When I see $399 windows laptops advertised at Fry's, I think "made in China". When I spend 10x that much money on a Mac, I don't. Maybe I should!

milo2020
Oct 2, 2008, 11:43 AM
Rename this site macTumors.com !!!!!:D:D:D:D

137489
Oct 2, 2008, 11:48 AM
ok, I never had a computer smell unless a part burned up or it overheated.

Interesting, what about all those laser printers where the dust and fumes let out is worse than smoking a cigarette (several articles on that). Yet we still have thousands of laser printers in homes and offices.

they ban smoking in hospitals, offices, resturants - yet they have a laser printer in patient rooms. ok 100 people lighting up in a room is worse than 4 or 5 laser printers, but then again I don't sit there or near someone puffing a cigarate, but I spend 8 or 10 hrs next to 1 or 2 laser printers at my desk.

I don't see a big frenzy over that? Again - someone trying to blame apple for something non-concreate.

137489
Oct 2, 2008, 11:55 AM
The fact is that in order to smell the solvents such as benzene, they must be volatile so you simply will not still be able to smell such solvents on a computer that old. Prior to being discovered to be carcinogenic, benzene was used to wash down desks because it evaporated so quickly.

Benzene was and still is in a lot of products (almost just about everything made).

2Crued
Oct 2, 2008, 11:56 AM
Opened my machine up, turned out the smell was a cheese eating surrender monkey. ;)

nsbio
Oct 2, 2008, 12:05 PM
Really, for the $3k + we spend on our Mac Pros, you'd think they'd carry a hefty enough margin they could manufacturer them in the USA.

Then those things would be somewhat more than just $3k-ish. American labor is too expensive, plus you need to provide health benefits etc.

thecartoonguy
Oct 2, 2008, 12:07 PM
Describe the smell please.

Think a a giant troll farting directly on your head. Yea that should do it.

Bubba Satori
Oct 2, 2008, 12:07 PM
Then those things would be somewhat more than just $3k-ish. American labor is too expensive, plus you need to provide health benefits etc.


If the UAW built them they'd cost around $10K.

137489
Oct 2, 2008, 12:15 PM
Not true. Not only is benzene added to petrol in very small quantities, but any car with a catalytic converter (either the newer three stage or older two stage) is designed to convert unburnt hydrocarbons into carbon dioxide and water.


There are still a lot of old cars on the road and in North Carolina, any car older than 1996 does not need emission testing as the newer testing probes to not fit the older exhaust. Here in the south, we have a lot of old cars on the road as the body does not rot quickly (unlike up north where there is a lot of road salt use).

Actually is was not until 2 years ago that emission testing went statewide (if you lived in a rural county, you were exempt). Farm equipment still does not need to go by any emission standard.

NSNick
Oct 2, 2008, 12:18 PM
I would be much more concerned about those imacs made of plastic.

o9ski
Oct 2, 2008, 12:50 PM
Apple should be more concerned about this before it becomes one of those "cancer-causing-microwaveable popcorn-fume" stuff. :eek:

happydude
Oct 2, 2008, 01:13 PM
has anyone taken apart a mac pro, rolled it and then smoked it... The Toxic fumes are awesome... they made me much snappier

hahahaha, so funny :D

SpinThis!
Oct 2, 2008, 01:41 PM
Apparently the french writer has no idea that the manufacturing process isn't perfect or what a "warranty" means. If the author actually read Apple's discussion forums or did some investigative work, it's likely Apple would have replaced his computer like it did with the majority of the people on the discussion forum who had "smelly" Mac Pros.

The problem with the Internet is you get a false sense of reality, especially on a forum where most people go to vent. People who frequent forums think everyone is affected by the problem—and calls for a class action—where it's actually only a few dozen people with an isolated defect.

winterspan
Oct 2, 2008, 01:49 PM
Did the original french report actually mention a smell, or just some sort of chemical vapor being measured coming off the case?

morespce54
Oct 2, 2008, 01:50 PM
...The front of your nose smelt it, made some cough.

Well, what about the back of your nose? ;) Sorry, couldn't help it...

morespce54
Oct 2, 2008, 01:58 PM
I love, love, looooooooooove the smell of new electronics. That and gasoline.


See, that's the thing. Some people love gasoline (sniff) and other just dislike the smell (sniff)...
:eek::rolleyes::cool:Human is a strange place, dude...:cool::rolleyes::eek:


;)

Nano-tube
Oct 2, 2008, 02:27 PM
Get ready for the Wikipedia Scientists to arrive any time now..

"Wikipedia Scientists" - this is brilliant stuff man :D
I'm gonna remember it.

I heard another good one: "Typo Gestapo" - those people who flame and bash posts with typos... he he

griz
Oct 2, 2008, 02:47 PM
There's nothing like the smell of Mac Pro in the morning.

madmax_2069
Oct 2, 2008, 03:03 PM
Think a a giant troll farting directly on your head. Yea that should do it.

LOL

Bubba Satori
Oct 2, 2008, 03:40 PM
What if I wear Crocks

Why are you wearing kitchenware ? :D

rgibbons
Oct 2, 2008, 04:57 PM
Wow, I am glad I found this thread. I recently became sick from the fumes my G5 is spitting out. I had a severe allergic reaction to the fumes that I am still be treated for.

Maybe I should call Apple

avkills
Oct 2, 2008, 05:12 PM
The only thing my MacPro is smokin' are the AfterEffects comps I'm spitting out. ;)

Sounds like a case of computer maintenance and neglect to me; maybe I should not have let my ant farm crawl around inside the case.... :rolleyes:

-mark

lostngone
Oct 2, 2008, 05:42 PM
Don't worry its just Reality Distortion Dust.

xbjllb
Oct 2, 2008, 07:13 PM
First it's stuffed toys at Wal-Mart that say "I hate you" to your kids... then it's melamine in pet food and baby formula... now it's stinky Mac Pros that cause cancer.

Anyone else see a pattern here that goes beyond incompetence and bad quality control?

If only Apple's beyond-premium cost was because they were made in the USA...

:apple:

xbjllb
Oct 2, 2008, 07:15 PM
Does Apple still make computers ?

Good one... NOW we know why all the emphasis on iCrap... it will be quickly discarded to the trash heap of history before anyone can sue...

:apple:

mashny
Oct 2, 2008, 07:50 PM
I have a February 2008 eight-core machine (I ordered it as soon as they announced it) and have not noticed any smell emanating from it.

chickenninja
Oct 3, 2008, 12:41 AM
im gladd to see people houding electronics manufacturers about the fumes their products emit, but apple is a funny company to pick on because apple has led the way in reducing the toxic **** used in electronics. even though apple takes these measures i believe the french guy and say theres still more work to be done. NO MORE LAPTOP CANCER FARTS

Tosser
Oct 3, 2008, 08:11 AM
ok, I never had a computer smell unless a part burned up or it overheated.

Interesting, what about all those laser printers where the dust and fumes let out is worse than smoking a cigarette (several articles on that). Yet we still have thousands of laser printers in homes and offices.

In this country (Denmark), for one, you're not allowed to have a laser printer in the same room as the room you work in. In many places the "printer room" is even ventilated by a fan to the outside.
My private laser printer isn't even close to constant "on", but is turned on when I need to print, otherwise it's shut off. It's in a closed cabinet in a room where neither of us (we're two) stay for long. So, yes, what about them?

im gladd to see people houding electronics manufacturers about the fumes their products emit, but apple is a funny company to pick on because apple has led the way in reducing the toxic **** used in electronics. even though apple takes these measures i believe the french guy and say theres still more work to be done. NO MORE LAPTOP CANCER FARTS

Apple hasn't lead in anything relating to "reducing toxics" or being "green". What gave you that idea?

eastcoastsurfer
Oct 3, 2008, 08:23 AM
This story is no surprise. Of course Apple denies it. They'll continue to deny it, and then will release a fix to a problem they say doesn't exist. The fix won't actually fix it though. This scenario is starting to sound familiar...like the missing key press on the MBPs...

MowingDevil
Oct 3, 2008, 08:58 AM
This scenario is starting to sound familiar...like the missing key press on the MBPs...

What missing key press?

andy721
Oct 3, 2008, 12:52 PM
It will smell if you burn the mercury idiots.

pax2
Oct 3, 2008, 06:53 PM
Despite some of the humorous posts, I gotta tell you that I just stopped cold when I read this (and felt compelled to register/reply). Three weeks ago, while driving home with my brand new MP, I could hardly breath, and in fact, thought something had either spilled in the car, or I had left some wet gym clothes that soured badly.

Unpacking, the intense odor hit me so hard, I contemplated calling the store to see if they had had any serious water, or fire/chemical damage. I first thought the box had absorbed something while in storage or transit.

By the next day, the odor had permeated the house to the point of discomfort. I removed the box which seemed to help, and then it gradually went away.

I suppose if this was a typical electronic emission that would be one thing, but for someone else to write about this on the other side of the globe, kind of freaks me out right now.

pax