New Browser instead of Safari

[GetGo]

I just downloaded Mozilla Firebird for my ibook I love this browser. Is anyone else using this or are you guys staying with Safari? Mozilla Firebird has a real nice feature using tabs.

[Richter]

Originally posted by GetGo
Mozilla Firebird has a real nice feature using tabs. Tabbed browsing? Safari has it as well - you gotta enable it in the Preferences.

Unless its something different you talking about O.o

[GetGo]

Didn't know that thanks, I just turned it on.

[Richter]

makes me wonder why it's not on by default

o.O

[crees!]

Safari is a killer browser, though it lacks support for one major thing when it comes to web development.

[Wes]

Originally posted by crees!
Safari is a killer browser, though it lacks support for one major thing when it comes to web development.

You just going to leave us hanging about this one thing?

[cubist]

Due to goofy website coding, I have to have Safari, IE and Netscape on my machine. I'm not anxious to add any more.

[crees!]

Originally posted by Wes
You just going to leave us hanging about this one thing?

Yep ;) It doesn't let you read values of style sheets (ie, getComputedStyle()). Which sucks because I'm trying to build an easy standards dropdown menu and Safari is the only browser that doesn't let me do it without hardcoding in values.. which would be a no-no.

[abhishekit]

safari takes too much processor...thats teh onlt thing i dont like about it,,,

[NarKEd]

the thing thats sucks about safari is that it doesnt have the bar that tells you the url of the links you are clicking (the one at bottom) is there a way to activate it? oh and it dont supports css buttons and fields.

[crees!]

Originally posted by NarKEd
the thing thats sucks about safari is that it doesnt have the bar that tells you the url of the links you are clicking (the one at bottom) is there a way to activate it?

Command - / Check the view menu, it's there.

[NarKEd]

doh! Im must be really stupid or something. thanks man. now I like that application a little more

[SilvorX]

its not really that new anymore ;), it's been around *unnofficially* since before safari was ever made public, but finally the phoenix/firebird project was made official back in may or so

[KBFinFan]

Originally posted by crees!
Command - / Check the view menu, it's there.

Oooo thanks great tip! Now I feel like a fool... :p

[crees!]

Also if you have a mouse with a clickable scroll wheel you can use that to open links in a new tab. Quite handy I must say.

Also you can have a ton of links in a folder on the Bookmarks Bar and check the Auto-Tab checkbox.. then when you click on them they'll open all the links in that folder at once. I use it for all my rumor sites. I click "Rumor Sites" and I have 4 tabs that open up to each page automatically.

[Richter]

Originally posted by crees!
Command - / Check the view menu, it's there. HA

i didnt even know about that o.o

[abhishekit]

scroll button opens in tab....wow..cool,..thanks

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by crees!
Yep ;) It doesn't let you read values of style sheets (ie, getComputedStyle()). Which sucks because I'm trying to build an easy standards dropdown menu and Safari is the only browser that doesn't let me do it without hardcoding in values.. which would be a no-no.

I'm do web development and I've never heard of that feature, and don't really understand your explanation of its use. What browser lets you do that and how did you come across it?

[crees!]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I'm do web development and I've never heard of that feature, and don't really understand your explanation of its use. What browser lets you do that and how did you come across it?

It's part of the W3C DOM standard which Apple says it supports, but not fully. It's great for cross-browser solutions (except for in this case) getComputedStyle() (http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Style/css.html#CSS-CSSview-getComputedStyle)

[Rower_CPU]

Interesting. Thanks for the info. :)

Got any live examples of it in use?

[crees!]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Interesting. Thanks for the info. :)

Got any live examples of it in use?

I'm working on debugging it for Safari but here is the menu code.

http://tcc.reemergemedia.com/assets/js/mymenu.js

"Javascript & DHTML Cookbook" by Danny Goodman (O'Reilly) - I recommend checking it out.. I just bought it and it's a great book. It's where this example came from.

[Rower_CPU]

I'm a lot more on the HTML/CSS/PHP end of things than DHTML. I should bone up on it a little...thanks for the rec.

[Westside guy]

I do like Safari, but I still prefer Firebird. It's nice to be able to block popups on a per-site basis, rather than having it be all-or-none like it is in Safari. It's also nice to have per-site image blocking readily available via right-click, plus all the downloadable extensions people have written.

The one thing I wish Firebird did that Safari (and Camino) does is to use the keychain to store things like passwords. Perhaps someday it will...

[sethypoo]

Originally posted by NarKEd
doh! Im must be really stupid or something. thanks man. now I like that application a little more

When I first started using Safari, in the beta edition days, I had no idea how to turn on the status bar or the tabs (those came later). It was so, so much nicer once I figured them all out.

I, too, wonder why Apple doesn't have the tabs and status bar on by default. :confused:

[jvaska]

having worked with both Firebird and Safari very closely recently, i can honestly say that Firebird is a better browser...

but, i still prefer Safari for general surfing...

if Apple gets the css support solid and can speed things up some, it will be fantastic...

also. tabbed browsind does work better in safari too...v

[sleepy_kev]

Originally posted by crees!
Yep ;) It doesn't let you read values of style sheets (ie, getComputedStyle()). Which sucks because I'm trying to build an easy standards dropdown menu and Safari is the only browser that doesn't let me do it without hardcoding in values.. which would be a no-no.

I guess that is annoying. Another thing which infuriates me is that I can't get Safari to display the dimensions of an image. Most every other brower I know give you this information in some way (eg. mozilla will display it in the title bar when you view the image alone) and it saves a ton of time when you're trying to put pages together. Do I really need to open another app for that or am I being a fool and missing something?

[CmdrLaForge]

I still have problems with Safari and Internet Banking. It just don't work.

Therefore I still use IE.

When they finally release Firebird I will have a look.

[burbguy7]

it seems when I go into preferences and try to change the background color to anything but white, the change never takes, the bright white is hard on my eyes.
Also l notice, maybe due to my mouse being a wacom or something, that many times I tend to have to move the window via the grey window top a pixel or two to get the window to activate again. and on the wish list side, I'd like the scroll wheel on the mouse to allow increase/decrease of text size. Oh well if its not me, I'd assume some of my lesser safari experiences might be addressed with another fix down the road, if anyone knows what I'm doing wrong go ahead and reply. Other wise I'll put up with my mousing around etc. to enhance my surfing experience, love the off pop up feature and really have not gone back to netscape for much of anything, save a bookmark or two. :)

[SBG88]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
I still have problems with Safari and Internet Banking. It just don't work.

Therefore I still use IE.

When they finally release Firebird I will have a look.

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Firebird now is leaps and bounds better than ie. Works with your bank I'd bet too.

[crees!]

Originally posted by SBG88
Sorry, but that makes no sense. Firebird now is leaps and bounds better than ie. Works with your bank I'd bet too.

I've heard that some banks require you use IE.. but I don't see that as a smart move.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by crees!
I've heard that some banks require you use IE.. but I don't see that as a smart move.

Only the ones who hire inept designers that use browser sniffers. ;)

[crees!]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Only the ones who hire inept designers that use browser sniffers. ;)

Yes, but I remember this being an issue for some people when Safari was first released.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by crees!
Yes, but I remember this being an issue for some people when Safari was first released.

I'm sure. Yay for the debug menu. :)

[Nermal]

Originally posted by abhishekit
safari takes too much processor...thats teh onlt thing i dont like about it,,,

Really?

614 Safari 0.0% 2:31.62 17 376 471 38.5M 44.5M 46.2M 433M

[elmimmo]

Originally posted by sleepy_kev
IAnother thing which infuriates me is that I can't get Safari to display the dimensions of an image.I read somewhere in Dave Hyatt's Surfin' Safari (http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/) that he has already implemented that and it will be there in the next release.

[elmimmo]

I have not tried the last Firebird on Mac OS X. But what does it have that Camino (which uses the same rendering engine) does not? I downloaded the first version of Firebird that came out for X and UI-wise it was quite pathetic attempt, an utter crap compared to the ubber polished Camino (see it at http://www.mozilla.org.

[Phillip]

can someone post a screenie of firebird? i really want to give it a try

[performand]

Originally posted by KBFinFan
Oooo thanks great tip! Now I feel like a fool... :p

for even more shortcuts, check out this file:

file:///Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Shortcuts.html

[ionas]

Safari is easy to use and fits into mac os better than firebird for sure.

camino was a "nice try" but they didnt have enough developers - so camino is behind the other mozilla releases and crashes to often.

firebird should be very stable, got lots of security options safari doesnt have.

safari is just "the default" browser, not the best browser.

personally i would use safari if i had low ram.

if i got enough ram i would go for mozilla or mozilla firebird. (cause i guess those still eat more ram)

Mozilla.org (http://www.mozilla.org)

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by crees!
I've heard that some banks require you use IE.. but I don't see that as a smart move.

I have the Mozilla suite as well installed. But Internet Banking works only with IE so far. I still have problems with Safari. I hoped that with release 1.0 they go away but they didn't.

So far I am happy with Safari that for me has a better gui and better feeling then Mozilla. Maybe its the RAM. I only have 256MB.

[zellin]

I find Firebirds UI difficult, Safari is w/o a doubt the best browser in my book right now. OmniWeb 5 looks good though, pub. beta on Feb. 2

[wordmunger]

The fonts never look right in Firebird, but the biggest irritation is that option-up arrow doesn't work for page up on my TiBook. You have to use fn-up arrow, which takes two hands.

[ExoticFish]

i use Safari for my main browsing and Mozilla for sites that don't work right with Safari. perfect combination i say.

plus i use both for test my html code compatability.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by sethypoo
I, too, wonder why Apple doesn't have the tabs and status bar on by default. :confused:

it's because they want it to be very very simple and basic, if you want it to be... "a browser that gets out of your way" or whatever steve said.

[radhak]

Safari is nice and easy, but Firebird is better than it, by far. It provides far more control than Safari, once you download and install from the long list of available extensions.
You can make it change focus of the tabs with mouse-over, decide on the width of the tabs, whether the tabs will have the close ('x') button on individual tabs or just one for all tabs, whether the tab title be what you bookmarked it as (instead of the page's title), how it should behave when you click a link / a bookmark / type on the address-bar, and, ... i could go on. (and all that with one extension installed);

there are n-number of such extensions available and you could pick and choose whichever suits you. its easy to go thru this list and installing any extension you like is seamless.

i am happy (and surprised, really) that Safari works as well as it does, but for the power user, Firebird is the browser of choice, and it keeps improving with the juice of opensource development. anybody who has not checked it out should do so now; you will enjoy just going thru the various features (and featurettes) available.

[FattyMembrane]

Originally posted by elmimmo
I have not tried the last Firebird on Mac OS X. But what does it have that Camino (which uses the same rendering engine) does not? I downloaded the first version of Firebird that came out for X and UI-wise it was quite pathetic attempt, an utter crap compared to the ubber polished Camino (see it at http://www.mozilla.org.

i've been using camino since the .1 days (chimera back then - before it could even download!) and i must say that the latest nightly builds of firebird are better. you don't get aqua buttons/comboboxes, but the new default theme is much prettier and more osx-like than camino. you can also install all of the wonderful extensions that are available to mozilla/firebird but not camino.

however, safari is still the king. css support grows a great deal with each release (we have many css3 features already), javascripts seem to work better than mozilla, it's often faster, and "feels" more connected to the system.

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by radhak
Safari is nice and easy, but Firebird is better than it, by far. It provides far more control than Safari, once you download and install from the long list of available extensions.
You can make it change focus of the tabs with mouse-over, decide on the width of the tabs, whether the tabs will have the close ('x') button on individual tabs or just one for all tabs, whether the tab title be what you bookmarked it as (instead of the page's title), how it should behave when you click a link / a bookmark / type on the address-bar, and, ... i could go on. (and all that with one extension installed);

there are n-number of such extensions available and you could pick and choose whichever suits you. its easy to go thru this list and installing any extension you like is seamless.

i am happy (and surprised, really) that Safari works as well as it does, but for the power user, Firebird is the browser of choice, and it keeps improving with the juice of opensource development. anybody who has not checked it out should do so now; you will enjoy just going thru the various features (and featurettes) available.

If you like it and need it and have the time to exchange every single detail of an App, then Firebird just sounds right for you. I personally like Safari very much the way it is. And I don't change my Apps, I use them

Cheers

[zagato27]

Originally posted by GetGo
I just downloaded Mozilla Firebird for my ibook I love this browser. Is anyone else using this or are you guys staying with Safari? Mozilla Firebird has a real nice feature using tabs.

I'm using Mozilla for my browser and also for mail. Although I have Safari, Mail, Entourage, and IE installed Mozilla/Mail is my favorite. Works great, has tabbed browsing, lots of skins available for the browser. Just wished that iPhoto would recognize it for emailing digital pics (have to use Entourage for that). Just didn't like the look of Mail. Entourage is pretty slick and lots of features but I'm sticking with Mozilla 1.5. Cheers

[Sparky's]

I just found something that makes Safari an even better browser. There is an add on called "Sogudi" that allows you to make shortcuts to URLs so there is no need to plow through pages of web site to get to where you want to go. If you wanted to look up the deffinition of a word like ubiquitous at Dictionary.com you just type "dict ubiquitous" in the address bar and it goes directly to the deffinition. To get this go to www.atamadison.com/w/kitzkikz.php?page=Sogudi
You can use the defaults or create your own short cuts.
I like that.

[CmdrLaForge]

I like both Firefox and Safari. Firefox seems to be much faster then Safari and you get new versions even with Jaguar :D

But I like to look and feel of Safari better. And I have all my bookmarks in Safari. BTW does anyone know how to export my bookmarks in Safari and import them in Firefoxy ?

Chheerrss

[uhlawboi80]

Ive had very few problems with safari. The only thing ive noticed is that when i use web based outlook - cant help but use it because its my schools and i cant have profs or the school send to any other addy - if i hit reply, the window for reading the email just disappears and nothing happens. Also cant get it to open the recycle bin and sometimes other buttons wont work that well. Also Hotmail- my junk email account - wont let you download anything in safari and sometimes gives attachment errors.

Beyond that ive never had problems using it for my online banking - though im still running safari enhancer thats set to automatically choose the user agent...so im pretty sure it just shows online banking an IE agent. I agree banks demanding IE use is retarder...but you know that ATMs companys are starting to use Windows in there ATMs so that the ATMs can do more functions now and in the future...scarry.

[Rower_CPU]

Browser sniffing/support discussion moved to more appropriate forum. :)

continue discussion here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60557)