Best Mouse for games [Archive]

slinky1

Oct 3, 2008, 04:21 PM

JackAxe

Oct 3, 2008, 04:54 PM

I've noticed that all of the gaming mice, with their stylized designs, always feel REALLY CHEAP when in my hand.

I would stick with Logitech personally, or Microsoft's normal higher end mice, if they are more comfortable, because a good mouse is a good mouse regardless. Focus on how the mouse feels in your hand and its weight -- which some gaming mice will allow you to adjust.

I've had my MX1000 for 5 years now -- I think, maybe longer -- and it still works great. Very precise and fast.

Driver support for Logitech is better than the Microsoft mice on the Mac side., so that's also something to consider -- as an example, MS's mouse control panel under OS X, does not allow something as simple as assigning the thumb-button to a middle mouse-click, but it can do son under Windows.

Avoid Bluetooh and stick with RF, if you go wireless. Bluetooh is much slower and drains batteries faster.

I'm not sure any other mouse has a scroll ball? As far as I know, this is unique to Apple's EVIL destroyer of ergonomics, the Might Mouse. :o

Something I deem as very important for any mouse is a comfortable thumb-button. I used it for all middle-button activity, weather It's in my 3D applications, or in a game like WarCraft 3. It works great for panning the screen around.

This gaming mouse doesn't feel cheap, if you must have a mouse with the gaming title; :)
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/187&cl=us,en

It's based on the old MX 500 design, I had a MX 700, but I don't like its feel as much as my MX 1000.

Anyways, don't be swooned by the gaming title. Focus on any mouse that fits your hand and has the buttons you want.

Eric5h5

Oct 3, 2008, 05:06 PM

Driver support for Logitech is better than the Microsoft mice on the Mac side., so that's also something to consider -- as an example, MS's mouse control panel under OS X, does not allow something as simple as assigning the thumb-button to a middle mouse-click, but it can do son under Windows.

Driver support is actually pretty irrelevant, as you can use a 3rd-party utility like Steermouse. (I have that; works nicely...I do the same thing with the thumb button.) Razer is pretty well known and people seem to like them, though I have a Logitech MX518, which I'm pretty happy with, even if it could be a tad smaller.

--Eric

JackAxe

Oct 3, 2008, 07:12 PM

I wouldn't call it irrelevant, when 3rd party solutions cost extra $$$.

You're also relying on a 3rd party individual to keep their software up to date, where as Logitech as an example supports all of their mice and offers yearly updates at no additional cost.

But if you know of a free app that will allow me assign the middle click to my thumb-button on my one Microsoft mouse, I'd be interested? My VX400, which I used on the go, isn't the best for gaming and my MX 1000 stays here, since it requires a base receiver.

godspeed

Oct 3, 2008, 07:50 PM

Logitech G7

Beric

Oct 3, 2008, 09:35 PM

Logitech v470.

No USB port wasted, 6-month battery life, fast tracking for Bluetooth, Mac support, $40 on Amazon.

imassents

Oct 3, 2008, 09:59 PM

Razer is pretty well known and people seem to like them
Razer Pro|Click 1.6 (same specs as a Diamondback)
http://www.razerpro.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=45

Razer Deathadder (I don't own one)
http://www.razerzone.com/p-124-razer-deathadder-mac-edition-gaming-mouse.aspx

I game a fair bit (mostly RTS & FPS) and have been using Razer mice for the last few years. They are great (I have 2 x Diamondback's, a Pro|Click 1.6 and a Copperhead across my computers). Their drivers are quite impressive and their support is really good. I dislike Logitech/Microsoft due to their lack of non-ambidextrous shapes.

It'd take a fairly impressive mouse from Logitech/Microsoft to persuade me back to them.

g4cubed

Oct 3, 2008, 10:04 PM

+1 on the DeathAdder

Got mine from Apple (http://store.apple.com/us/product/TR781LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MzQwNDQy)

BrianKonarsMac

Oct 3, 2008, 11:24 PM

mx revolution

siorai

Oct 4, 2008, 01:25 AM

Logitech G9. Ugly as hell, but easily the most comfortable mouse I have ever owned. That reminds me, I should really go buy another one or two so that when and if this one dies, I have a backup. :D

marclapierre13

Oct 4, 2008, 01:58 AM

MIGHTY MOUSE!!!!

lol not really, it does the trick, but I find that the range is not that great (2 feet, and youll start to feel mouse lag).

Dagless

Oct 4, 2008, 06:28 AM

I'm liking my Microsoft/Razer Habu. It's great when it works. Great feel to it. Just make sure to turn off the 'l33t' blue glow. Urgh!

mckyvlle

Oct 4, 2008, 11:08 AM

+1 for the Logitech MX-518

Very solidly built, adjustable DPI/sensitivity, 5 buttons and a wheel. All buttons, except the 2 for adjusting DPI, can be assigned to Mac OS X without 3rd-party drivers.

palebluedot

Oct 4, 2008, 12:34 PM

Logitech G9 is THE gaming mouse. There is no question.

Talk to any "pro" gamer and they will stand by it. The sensitivity controls and profile management on this baby are awesome. I do have to use SteerMouse on the Mac side but it works perfectly. You can even adjust the processor DPI use on it, and it has changeable hand grips to fit your hand.

MichalM.Mac

Oct 4, 2008, 04:03 PM

DeathAdder is great! And now there is Mac support.

You can buy Mac Deathadder. Or You can buy PC Deathadder -> update it's firmware to 1.27 and use it like mac deathadder.

Best mouse i've ever had.

Dagless

Oct 5, 2008, 06:17 AM

The Deathadder looks remarkably similar to a Habu, looks as equally comfy. If my Habu craps out I'll probably get one of those.

ddi

Oct 7, 2008, 02:35 AM

the deathadder is ridiculously good. i highly recommend it to anyone. does not feel cheap, very well built, responsive. an all around joy to use.

Huntn

Oct 7, 2008, 10:10 AM

I've always preferred trackballs, because you don't have to move your hand/arm to control them, but they are harder to find these days. The best gaming trackball was the Microsoft Trackball Explorer which has been discontinued. I've got three of them so I'll get at least a couple of years of enjoyment from them before they croak. My second choice would be the Logitech Cordless Optical Trackman (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=logitch+cordless+optical+trackman&btnG=Search&show=dd&cid=3535943155240326025#ps-sellers).

slinky1

Oct 8, 2008, 08:22 AM

Have Found the Razer Deathadder Mac Edition but it seems unavailable from anywhere.Only apple supply at the moment but not outside the USA.
I'm in England.The only option is to buy a PC version,download the Firmware to the mouse.This has to be done on a PC,then download the drivers on to my Mac.
Does anybody know where i can purchase one.Mac Edition?
I've tried Razer direct,but they've only released it on the USA site.:confused:

ddi

Oct 9, 2008, 01:10 AM

have you tried amazon?

HydroMan

Oct 9, 2008, 10:01 AM

Is this (http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=609635) what you're looking for, they also do them on eBay.

slinky1

Oct 9, 2008, 12:04 PM

Great feed back on this thread.Thanks to everyone for there input.Have tracked down A Razer Deathadder Mac Edition,so going to give it a go.I'll just have to try it and see!!!:D

danembraceddc

Oct 9, 2008, 01:50 PM

i acctually use a wireless mighty mouse. i love the weight of it, and it works really well for me in FPS games

Beric

Oct 9, 2008, 04:51 PM

i acctually use a wireless mighty mouse. i love the weight of it, and it works really well for me in FPS games

Are you kidding?!

That thing doesn't even have distinct left and right buttons! The scroll ball gets constantly screwed up, ect.

The MM is one of the worst-designed products Apple currently produces.

Dagless

Oct 9, 2008, 06:35 PM

Depends on what games he plays? Granted I could never use a MM, I play HL2:DM and TF2, speedy games that don't work well but I can see it being useable for slower pace games.

It's just too uncomfy and the whole left/right button problem puts me off.

Stridder44

Oct 9, 2008, 06:40 PM

Looking at a new mouse for my Mac.Spotted on the Razer site,the Death Adder.Forget the name,but it seems this is a 5 programmble mouse with USB connection but i have never come accross this company before. I need a mouse that has more than 2 clicks and a scroll ball as i already have a Mighty Mouse.Does anybody know this company?I'm based in the UK,but it seems that if i'm in Europe, i carn't purchase direct.
This would be for gaming,because i have had a lot of trouble with my mighty mouse with RTS and RPG games especially.

Any other makes would be helpful.Found the Razer death adder reviewed on the "Inside MacGames"Site.

The best mice (for gaming and general usage) are Logitech mice. The contour Logitech mice have = sex. My buddy got an MX400 and loves it. You'll typically want to go with a mouse that has a high dpi range (especially if you're playing FPS's). Higher dpi = more precision. Link: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/191&cl=us,en

ddi

Oct 9, 2008, 06:48 PM

Great feed back on this thread.Thanks to everyone for there input.Have tracked down A Razer Deathadder Mac Edition,so going to give it a go.I'll just have to try it and see!!!:D

let us know what you think - i love mine!

RE: the wireless mighty mouse - how did you get this to work for fps? seriously, i couldnt use it to aim (hold right click) and fire (left click) at all, so im curious. the only good thing about that mouse is that it got me to go out and buy a deathadder, ha.

ddi

Oct 9, 2008, 06:54 PM

The best mice (for gaming and general usage) are Logitech mice. The contour Logitech mice have = sex. My buddy got an MX400 and loves it. You'll typically want to go with a mouse that has a high dpi range (especially if you're playing FPS's). Higher dpi = more precision. Link: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/191&cl=us,en

gonna sound like the biggest fanboy, but the Razer lachesis has 4000dpi

calintz

Oct 9, 2008, 06:57 PM

+1 for logitech love

I have the VX Revolution and it's met all my expectations

eXan

Oct 9, 2008, 08:52 PM

I recommend Razer mice. Depending on how you hold you mouse:

Claw grip - Copperhead or Diamondback.
Palm grip - Deathadder or Lachesis
Finger grip - Lachesis.

For more info on these grips, go here (http://www2.razerzone.com/MouseGuide/html/palmgrip.php). A really nice read if you want to find the best fitting mouse.

But people can't really recommend mice for you. You should go to a local shop and test mice for yourself.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 15, 2009, 01:01 PM

what do you guys think about razer's black mamba that just came out?

http://www.razerzone.com/p-198-razer-mamba-wireless-laser-gaming-mouse.aspx

should i plan on getting this if i use bootcamp and want to use it on my mac and pc side interchangeably, will it be compatible with that setup??

barr08

Jan 15, 2009, 01:23 PM

I use the Logitech MX-518. I have used it for like 4 years now, and am still on the same one. It is a great moue that honestly feels perfect in my hand. I use that on my central rig used mostly for gaming. I consider this the perfect mouse, and even more appealing, you can find it for around $30.

On my media center, I use the Logitech G7. It's very accurate and has a long range. It also works perfectly on my G4 media center with no supporting software.

At work, I use the Logitech MX Revolution. This mouse is incredibly comfortable, and many consider it the best mouse currently on the market. I find the scroll wheel is perfect for use at work, because I can scroll through thousands of lines of code with little effort.

I would reccomend the 518 for a cheap but very solid entry level gaming mouse. I plan on using this mouse until it dies, and then buying new ones until I die :eek:

KingYaba

Jan 15, 2009, 01:33 PM

$10 mouse from Microsoft. Newegg link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826105026)

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 15, 2009, 01:35 PM

but what about switching between os x and bootcamp on the fly, do those mouses handle that or do u need to reinstall drivers each time??

also what about the BLACK MAMBA !!!! LOL:D

pice isn't an issue, i just want a great mouse and i wanna be able to use it 4EVAAAAAAAAA

barr08

Jan 15, 2009, 01:41 PM

but what about switching between os x and bootcamp on the fly, do those mouses handle that or do u need to reinstall drivers each time??

Logitech mice support plug and play for both Windows and OS X. You won't have a problem going back and forth.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 15, 2009, 01:48 PM

that's cool, that's a good backup plan...

but what about the mamba ?

would my mac run that, maybe with 3rd party software?

barr08

Jan 15, 2009, 02:03 PM

that's cool, that's a good backup plan...

but what about the mamba ?

would my mac run that, maybe with 3rd party software?

I don't have first hand experience, but I can safely say that OS X will recognize just about any USB mouse, you just might not be able to use all the bells and whistles out of the box. There are programs that exist for that, though, such as USB Overdrive (if people still use that - I've been on a PC for quite a while now).

Dagless

Jan 15, 2009, 02:12 PM

Well I realised I was a palm gamer but I bought a Diamondback regardless :o

Protip: don't use any mouse outside of your type. For the first week with my Diamondback I destroyed my hand.

JackAxe

Jan 15, 2009, 04:58 PM

For me Razor mice are a step above Apple's mice when it comes to comfort, but that's not giving them much credit. :)

I've been using my Logitech G9 for a month now -- the only reason I bought something I'd consider cheese, is because it's a high quality corded mouse and there are currently two active 2.4 Ghz mice running and a 3rd one in my notebook case.

It's not as comfortable as my MX 1000, but it's still a really nice mouse to hold. The button feedback on it is excellent. I normally like a tapered end on mice, but with the G9 it's not there, which makes sense now that I've used it. It makes the mouse easier to move quickly, especially back towards me, since I can move it using my thumb and the finger next to my pinky and not worry about it hitting my palm.

Dagless

Jan 15, 2009, 05:04 PM

For me Razor mice are a step above Apple's mice when it comes to comfort, but that's not giving them much credit. :)

The Habu was actually very comfy. And one of the reasons I went for a non-palm right-hand only Razer is because that's all the shop had in. I was that desperate :o

I love the tech in Razers and their vulcanised rubbery-feel. Hate the super tacky lights though. The Habu had an off button for them and I'm really missing that right about now.

JackAxe

Jan 15, 2009, 06:32 PM

Off button, for a corded mouse, or was it wireless?

The G9 has 3 massive slip pad thingies. It also has a button that lets me switch the wheel between click mode and super spin mode. I like the weight system it offers and maxed it out.

You should sell your EVIL Razor and buy a Logitech. ;)

Theophany

Jan 15, 2009, 06:43 PM

Logitech G9 is THE gaming mouse. There is no question.

Talk to any "pro" gamer and they will stand by it.

Uh, that's like asking a pro footballer what boots he uses. They're provided by the firm, so he's bound to say that brand as product placement. Besides which, what an individual prefers to use is far more important than what some dork who wasted his/her childhood playing games too seriously has to say.

Many people in the FPS community still swear by Microsoft's Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, you'll be hard-pushed to find a decent one these days though. Personally, the Razer Diamondback is the best mouse I have ever used for gaming. It has all the dpi you could need as a low-sensitivity (and by extension high-sensitvity, as it requires less dpi) player (like me) and it's teflon pads underneath have yet to wear away on mine. I've been using it for 3+ years now and never considered changing it.

Combine that with a Fatal1ty FatPad mouse mat (bought it because it's freaking huge, not because that twit puts his moniker on it) and you've got yourself a silky-smooth mousing set up. If only you could tweak the USB ports on your Mac to operate at 500Mhz instead of 125Mhz, you'd be well-and-truly SORTED :D

EDIT: I stand corrected, Microsoft's IME3.0: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Microsoft-IntelliMouse-Explorer-3-0-Top-Quality_W0QQitemZ320332370763QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice?hash=i tem320332370763&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

eXan

Jan 15, 2009, 08:50 PM

Most Starcraft progamers use Logitech Mini Optical mouse and Samsung DT-35 keyboard.

The set up of once best Zerg player sAviOr:

http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/UploadFiles_9710/200812/20081205163136450.jpg

JackAxe

Jan 15, 2009, 08:57 PM

Many people in the FPS community still swear by Microsoft's Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

We know different people. :) I've seen quite a few Micrsofot Intellimouse. I even have one here. I replaced it with a G9 on my PC, but personally I've seen the G5 the the most when going to LAN parties.

digitard

Jan 15, 2009, 09:20 PM

+1 for the MX518

I've had mine for over 2.5yrs now, and it's been nothing but good to me. I use it for various things (gaming, editing, etc) and I've had 0 problems with it, and it feels right when I use it. I highly recommend it.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 15, 2009, 09:38 PM

well i'm a little worried because the black mamba from razer is somehow wireless, dunno if it's bluetooth.... i think it connects usb to it's base and the base transmits to the mouse, would this work with mac via steermouse and is there another good mouse program for mac?

Theophany

Jan 16, 2009, 04:02 AM

We know different people. :) I've seen quite a few Micrsofot Intellimouse. I even have one here. I replaced it with a G9 on my PC, but personally I've seen the G5 the the most when going to LAN parties.

This is true :) Out of curiosity, which FPS games do you play?

Prekesh

Jan 16, 2009, 06:44 AM

don't play many games but when i do i use my mighty mouse, the right/left click thing is annoying though. still a good mouse, i can get a lot of range.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 09:09 AM

it's just that the mouse i'm looking at is wireless and it's usb and i'm wondering if it will work on the mac and pc sides of my mac with steermouse on my mac side and the normal software on the pc side, i want to be able to use all the extra buttons etc...

i'm worried because the mouse base/charger seems to plug in via usb and then transmit in some way tot he mouse itself, but the mouse can also be used with a cord?

yeah it's confusing, maybe i can get some advice on whether anyone thinks it would work for me

you can see it here

http://www.razerzone.com/p-198-razer-mamba-wireless-laser-gaming-mouse.aspx

i do want this one specifically because it's the fastest mouse ever made and it's the first wireless gaming mouse for pros because it transmits superhighspeed

anyway please tell me if you think i'd be able to use it

slinky1

Jan 16, 2009, 09:49 AM

After i started this thread,i whent out and got a Razzer Death Adder (Mac Edition)I also got a Razzer XSpeed Mat.Running:apple: iMac 2.5 G .Very smooth,Comfortable and super responsive.Haven't looked back so far!!!

The new Wireless Mamba looks the business though.......:)

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 09:53 AM

lol r u teasing me?

i know it looks good !

do you think it will work with mac and bootcamp windows xp setup as well as the mac side ??

slinky1

Jan 16, 2009, 10:17 AM

Yes.I'm only jealous.If this was out when i was looking for a new mouse,i'd have gone for it....All you have to do is download the drivers from razzer.All the info comes with the mouse.:)

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 10:21 AM

Yes.I'm only jealous.If this was out when i was looking for a new mouse,i'd have gone for it....All you have to do is download the drivers from razzer.All the info comes with the mouse.:)

right but will it work on the os x side?

like with a special program or something you think?

i want to be able to use it on both os x and windows interchageably

slinky1

Jan 16, 2009, 10:32 AM

It will work on the OSX side,no worries but to inter-change with windows XP,I'm not sure.I've e-mailed Razzer on a couple of tech issues myself and they've been very helpful.Replied very quickly.Just see what they say.
Good luck.All the best:)

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 10:46 AM

thanks will do !

and i'll let you guys know what they tell me

slinky1

Jan 16, 2009, 11:09 AM

I'll be very interested.Go for it.....

CJM

Jan 16, 2009, 11:11 AM

Logitech G9 :D Brill mouse. For more comfort, grab the Revolution.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 03:42 PM

Hello Alex,

The Mamba will plug and play on both a Mac and a PC, thus you would be able to make
use of both the wired and non wired features. However, at this time the only
drivers that will be available will be for PCs. Without the drivers you would not
be able to map buttons and assign macros, but the basic functions of the mouse will
work just fine.

Thanks for your interest in Razer.

i'm guessing that the normal programs should get it working with hotkeys etc.. on the mac side? if this is the case?

what do you think:p

mattcube64

Jan 16, 2009, 04:01 PM

Just throwing out a recommendation for the G9. I've gone through about six or seven different mice in the last few years, looking for something that is great with games, but has a nice feel for light web browsing and a quality build.

I've tried a couple Razers, the MS Habu, an Intellimouse, a G5, an MX518, the Might Mouse (BARF), and finally came across the G9 last year. It's a phenomenal mouse, and I HIGHLY recommend it for serious gamers.

callsignAPOLLO

Jan 16, 2009, 04:12 PM

yeah i'm a big fan of apple, but the mightymouse leaves ALOT to be desired

here's why,

the little scrollball is easily clogged

the mouse is entirely un-ergonomic

the mouse only has 800dpi

it is too slippery

the scrollball is just too small

the right and left click sometimes accidentally sense one another ! meaning it's easy to hit the wrong click

8ms response time blows

is that enough cons ?!?!

pros....

it's ambidextrous, can scroll side to side and up and down with the ball

conclusion 2/5 stars as a mouse and 1/5 stars as a gaming mouse

i'd rather use a 10$ pc mouse from dell !

anyway the razer mamba looks like it will work on mac completely with some software right?

i don't much care for logitech mice because of the shape of most of their high end mice, it just bothers me, plus i boycotted logitech after i bought a webcam from them... lol anyway...

i think the g9 is great, roomate has it, but the mamba has much better specs and looks UNBELIEVABLE, but can i use it on mac (the macros etc...?) ?

sinser

Apr 10, 2009, 04:02 AM

I have been on the mouse quest.

I have the MM which I love, but it's crap for gaming. It made me lost several WC3 games

I had this fixation with BT and bought a Logitech V470 but I just don't like it. It seems like I never can get the sensitivity I like with it.

Now I bought a Deathadder Mac edition, nice gaming mouse, but a bit too large for my current mousepad

slinky1

Apr 11, 2009, 07:25 PM

Have been using my Razer Deathadder with a Razer exactMat Xspeed.
They work really well together.:cool:

aznguyen316

Apr 11, 2009, 11:17 PM

Hey OP, glad you got a DeathAdder. After trial and error, testing Fatal1ty's mouse, and a couple other mouse, the Deathadder was my favorite.

It has Mac Drivers and Windows drivers works wonders on both, feels great in my hand and I'm a claw user as well and even though they say it's more for palmers, works great for me. Love it and can't recommend it enough.

Signal-11

Apr 12, 2009, 12:28 AM

I don't believe that there is one mouse that is best for everyone. Some people swear by the Razer Deathadder. I bought the white Mac edition and really tried to like it, but ended up giving it away because its not built for my favored grip. That guide on Razer about different grips seems goofy and overanalysis at first but someone's put some thought into it. Because of the shape of the Deathadder and the way I grip, my fingertips have no purchase on the right side. Right now, I use the Razer Lachesis for gaming but its not quite the perfect gaming mouse for me.

As for general purpose mice, the VX and MX Revolution mice cannot be beat. Excellent hand feel, particularly the MX. Only problem with the MX is its kinda big. There's a Bluetooth version of the MX as well, but you can only get it as a part of the Revolution keyboard/mouse set. VX is great too. Got it working with the VX Nano's supersmall receiver and I just more or less forget that its plugged into my MBP.

To the guy who asked if the MM was the only one with a scrollball. No, there's also the various Kensington Slimblades. To me, feels better than the MM and has the added benefit of discrete left/right buttons for none of this touchpad sensor nonsense. Really, Apple takes their institutional pathological distate for buttons too far sometimes.

aznguyen316

Apr 12, 2009, 12:36 AM

yeah I followed the guide as a claw gripper and went with the Diamondback 3G, found it too big and not comfortable for me. The deathadder listed as top palm grip mouse works very well. Happy with it. matte black glow owns too!

aznguyen316

Apr 12, 2009, 12:39 AM

http://www2.razerzone.com/MouseGuide/configurator/

I just did this for fun, Lachesis was my top pick, then samosa? and finally copperhead haha, cool. Still love my Deathadder

JackAxe

Apr 12, 2009, 04:35 AM

Now that you picked a mouse that suits your taste, you need a GAMING PAD!!! :)

I have this one (http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-n52te-Gaming-Keypad-UK/dp/B0010YL6ZS/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1239525079&sr=8-5). It's from Belkin and Razer. It's very comfortable to use -- I can't say the same for their mice though. :o

sinser

Apr 12, 2009, 04:46 AM

JackAxe

Apr 12, 2009, 01:57 PM

I have a Razer Goliathus en route

LOL, that's not a gaming pad. That's just a glorified mouse pad! :D

This is a gaming pad my friend, well, they're usually called speed pads, but there are more choices now, so I used gaming:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pYw4BGYTL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

sinser

Apr 12, 2009, 02:00 PM

LOL, that's not a gaming pad. That's just a glorified mouse pad! :D

This is a gaming pad my friend, well, they're usually called speed pads, but there are more now, so I used gaming:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pYw4BGYTL._SL500_AA280_.jpg

Yeah, I know....I wanted to quote slinky1, who wrote about the exactmat, but I made a mistake :o

Signal-11

Apr 12, 2009, 05:34 PM

Yeah, I've been thinking about that Belkin Nostromo b/c I don't want to abuse the keyboard on my MBP too much.

I'm trying to decide between that and the Wolfking Warrior and the Logitech G13. On looks alone, the Belkin would win (wish it had white LEDs...) but seems Logitech provides much more functionality for the same price.

Signal-11

Apr 12, 2009, 05:42 PM

Oh yeah, in terms of "gaming surfaces," I have a Xtracpad Ripper XXL. I will not go back to puny mouse pads after this.

I wanted to have a 'speed' surface and got a similar sized writing pad at OfficeMax for $25. Works just as well as the high dollar hard surfaces that SteelSeries, Razer, et al sell.

I know the owner of the local Korean gaming cafe (what is it with those guys and internet cafés?) and we passed this off as an extremely expensive prototype and almost all the guys at the cafe said they'd pay for it. :)

JackAxe

Apr 13, 2009, 01:13 AM

I see sinser. :)

I would have probably bought a G13 if they were out when I picked up my n52te last year, as I'm a Logitech fan...boy... But having put my hand on the demo down at Frys, it's not remotely as comfortable to use and its thumb-stick is in an awkward position that sits behind where my thumb rests -- maybe it's adjustable.

But I do lik the extra buttons -- they would come in handy for DOTA -- and it would match my G9... :o

The blue LEDs match my case's obnoxious blue LEDs and I even made my G9's LEDs the same color. :o They can be turned off btw.

Funny, you're thinking of the Logitech gaming pad for your Razer mouse, and I'm using the Razer gaming pad with my Logitech mouse. :)

Delu

Apr 13, 2009, 08:03 PM

aznguyen316

Apr 13, 2009, 09:54 PM

The most important thing when buying a mouse is to actually use the mouse before buying. If its a gaming mouse, your hand will be on that thing for hours and comfort ranks above dpi.

For me, I use the mac edition Deathadder. A buddy of mine uses the mac version as well on his PC. It fits my hand perfectly and the rubbery texture feels great. I use this flimsy travel mousepad that I got for under ten bucks at Fry's, I'd like a larger mat for my desk but what I got works for me.

I agree. I bought 2-3 mice unfortunately before settling on my deathadder. Luckily I was able to return the previous mice. I got the PC deathadder in black =) but yeah drivers work the same. I love the feel of it too, and it fits nicely in my hand, even with my smaller hands, the side buttons are easy accessible.

Signal-11

Apr 13, 2009, 10:50 PM

Any tried or for that matter, have actually seen or used IRL the Razer Mamba?

I think I'm at the point where I've just about had it with wired mice. I was thinking about getting the Mamba but was a little disappointed that the basic layout was more like the Deathadder than the Lachesis. The I saw some pictures and read today that my biggest issue with the Deathadder, the lack of a ledge for my pinky to grip, has been addressed.

ezekielrage_99

Apr 14, 2009, 12:26 AM

Without a doubt I wouldn't pass on a Razor Diamondback 3G.

I bought one a few years ago with one the the Razor mouse pads and I would use anything else now, they look great and feel great.

JGorset

Apr 14, 2009, 03:57 AM

Reaver

Apr 14, 2009, 06:12 AM

have used logitech's 510, 518 and I am currently using a MX revolution.

JackAxe

Apr 14, 2009, 02:35 PM

I used a G5 for years and loved it. I replaced it with a G9 a few months back.

It's... different. I really didn't expect a grip like this from a mouse in the G-series. It feels like another collection... hell, another brand. Even after 4 months I'm not sure what to think of it.

The scroll wheel is amazing, though. I doubt I'll ever go back to a mouse without one.

How are you holding it? I ask, because with my old MX-700(G5 molding) and the MX-1000 I replaced that with and still use on my Mac today, I rest the palm of my hand on the back of the mouse. Now with my G9, I rest the palm of my hand on the mouse pad. This makes it easy to do quick small movements, like pulling the mouse back, more so than my MX-1000, or any other similar designed mouse. If I rest my palm on the G9, not only does it feel weird, but it hinders its movement. I use my thumb and ring finger for most moments, on both mice, but the G9's lack of tapered end makes it easier to do so, as it provides more room for movement.

I honestly wasn't sure I would like the G9 at first, mainly because I was trying to rest my hand on it, but now I love it and I can see why they didn't go with the tapered design. I use my MX-1000 most of the time, but have no issues going to the G9 late at night to play a game with some friends.

aznguyen316

Apr 14, 2009, 05:57 PM

just ordered a Razer Goliathus speed mat, small, for my deathadder =) let's see how that works since I've been using coffee table and dining table as my mat haha

JackAxe

Apr 14, 2009, 06:10 PM

So, how many of you guys spent more on your mouse pad than your mouse... :D

SimD

Apr 17, 2009, 01:21 PM

Love the Razer Diamondback 3G but am tempted to try the new Razer Salmosa. Small, quick and minimal buttons (never use more than 2 buttons on a mouse). Price isn't bad either.

mahashel

Apr 17, 2009, 02:07 PM

+1 Razer Deathadder.
I just upgraded from my old Logitec optical Wheelmouse from like 2002.
Granted it's on my gaming PC rather than my Mac, but the Razer is a far superior mouse. Very responsive. Very accurate.

Incidentally, I also bought a Razer Lycosa to replace an old IBM PS/2 keyboard. Very pretty lights, but the key weight & travel are more like a laptop keyboard rather than a fancy gamer 'board.

Signal-11

Apr 17, 2009, 07:17 PM

Incidentally, I also bought a Razer Lycosa to replace an old IBM PS/2 keyboard. Very pretty lights, but the key weight & travel are more like a laptop keyboard rather than a fancy gamer 'board.

Well, a lot of the fancy gamer boards these days ARE moving to low profile keys because that's what a lot of gamers prefer. Right or wrong lot of gamers have this notion that excess key travel time matters.

aznguyen316

Apr 18, 2009, 11:02 AM

So, how many of you guys spent more on your mouse pad than your mouse... :D

spent $40 on my DeathAdder and $15 on the Goliathus mousepad, no tax free shipping, thanks amazon! haha

QCassidy352

Apr 18, 2009, 11:19 AM

+1 for the Logitech MX-518

Very solidly built, adjustable DPI/sensitivity, 5 buttons and a wheel. All buttons, except the 2 for adjusting DPI, can be assigned to Mac OS X without 3rd-party drivers.

another vote for the MX518. Had it a couple of years and it's great. It has 8 total buttons, all of which can be assigned to do whatever you want with steermouse. And even without steermouse you can use them for expose and such.

Beric

Apr 18, 2009, 01:40 PM

Just ordered a Logitech G5. Hoping it'll work well with OS X, based on reviews, though I intend on eventually using it on a Windows gaming machine.

aznguyen316

Apr 18, 2009, 03:28 PM

another vote for the MX518. Had it a couple of years and it's great. It has 8 total buttons, all of which can be assigned to do whatever you want with steermouse. And even without steermouse you can use them for expose and such.

I didn't like using steermouse or USBoverdrive, ran into small issues w/ games when I used a logitech, fatal1ty's mouse, etc. I prefer the deathadder thanks to native mac drivers. I dislike OSX acceleration and I couldn't get that going right in USB overdrive.. w/o accel I would have to turn speed way up and then my trackpad would be fast.. the DA has been perfect for both windows/OSX

eXan

Apr 18, 2009, 09:24 PM

I didn't like using steermouse or USBoverdrive, ran into small issues w/ games when I used a logitech, fatal1ty's mouse, etc. I prefer the deathadder thanks to native mac drivers. I dislike OSX acceleration and I couldn't get that going right in USB overdrive.. w/o accel I would have to turn speed way up and then my trackpad would be fast.. the DA has been perfect for both windows/OSX

I use Razer Copperhead mouse and the default acceleration for razer mice in OS X is very weird, its probably a bug. But I used USB Overdrive to correct it and assign Spaces and Expose to buttons and its been working very well since.

I still can't use it for Starcraft (I play semi-competitively and use my old MX500 for that), but for other games and general computer usage its good.

Signal-11

Apr 18, 2009, 10:20 PM

I didn't like using steermouse or USBoverdrive, ran into small issues w/ games when I used a logitech, fatal1ty's mouse, etc. I prefer the deathadder thanks to native mac drivers. I dislike OSX acceleration and I couldn't get that going right in USB overdrive.. w/o accel I would have to turn speed way up and then my trackpad would be fast.. the DA has been perfect for both windows/OSX

I use SteerMouse for my Logitech mice and I vastly prefer it over either Apple or Logitech's driver offerings. With my Razer Lachesis, I configure it in Windows, store the profiles in the mouse and use the mouse hardware config instead.

I'm waiting to get my hands on a Razer Mamba. The Lachesis is my last wired mouse. I've just about had it with wires.

apfhex

Apr 18, 2009, 10:34 PM

I'm waiting to get my hands on a Razer Mamba. The Lachesis is my last wired mouse. I've just about had it with wires.
Let us know how it works out with the Mamba. I've been eying Razer's mice, but absolutely refuse to go back to wired mice. My MX Rev is a great all around mouse but it's been having some hiccups lately and the tracking isn't too fantastic in more frantic shooters. I need to have at least a basic 5-button mouse in OS X. If the Mamba can be programmed VIA the Windows software and used in OS X, then that would be just fine.

aznguyen316

Apr 18, 2009, 11:43 PM

I use SteerMouse for my Logitech mice and I vastly prefer it over either Apple or Logitech's driver offerings. With my Razer Lachesis, I configure it in Windows, store the profiles in the mouse and use the mouse hardware config instead.

I'm waiting to get my hands on a Razer Mamba. The Lachesis is my last wired mouse. I've just about had it with wires.

Yeah that's nice about the onboard memory. I would love a wireless mouse, but it's not a big issue atm really. I just need to shorten the wires actually, so I got a turtle thing =) I'll check out the mamba.. hope its something similar to the DA..

*edit* holy **** dude, I just checked the mamba, that thing looks sikk, and just what I was hoping for, it looks like the Deathadder!! aaaah, now to cough up the cash.. damn gonna have to look around for some deals and see what I can get w/ my old DA.

JackAxe

Apr 19, 2009, 12:21 AM

I'm waiting to get my hands on a Razer Mamba. The Lachesis is my last wired mouse. I've just about had it with wires.

Wired is good when you already have 2 other wireless mice in use and a 3rd in a notebook bag. :)

Signal-11

Apr 19, 2009, 01:24 AM

Wired is good when you already have 2 other wireless mice in use and a 3rd in a notebook bag. :)

I don't understand. Wired is good for what? It's not interference is a problem with multiple RF mice.

I'm currently using the VX Revo and the MX Revo in addition to the Lachesis. That Lachesis is on it's way out.

I had a setup with a G7, but I dunno what happened to it. Good mouse, but I like the way Razers feel in the hand batter.

JackAxe

Apr 19, 2009, 05:08 PM

Interference is exactly the problem. More than two wireless mice running at a time, and sometimes just 2, tends to knock one out, or cause tracking issues.

I've been using primarily wireless mice since the MX-7000. If I count that one, that's 4 over the past 7 years I've owned. The above problem occurs more often when two wireless mice are sharing the same mouse-pad, which is how I handle my PC and Mac, so getting a wired mouse was a must in my case, as no interference and a cord is a much better solution than having a mouse go batty when the other tries to connect to its base station.

The G7 is based on my old MX 700, which wasn't a bad mouse, but no where as comfortable as my "old" IBM Navigator (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sourceid=qIpmQd3SPqUEAmMVXrV4&siteid=0040047966&CMP=AFC-AFFIL&sku=I71-1696&afsrc=1) -- to this date it's still the most comfortable mouse for my hand, or my replacement MX1000. As for Razers, the Mamba looks like it might be comfortable, but the Razer mice I've tried have all been death to my hands and wrist. But one man's comfort is another man's pain I guess.

Signal-11

Apr 19, 2009, 06:49 PM

Interference is exactly the problem. More than two wireless mice running at a time, and sometimes just 2, tends to knock one out, or cause tracking issues.

As I just mentioned, I don't believe interference is an issue with properly configured modern RF mice. I run two myself and I used to rent office space with a couple gamers and between the three of us, there were at least 4-5 wireless mice and I never noticed any interference issues. And believe me, with three guys playing CSS, faulty mouse controls would have been noticed right away.

JackAxe

Apr 19, 2009, 08:06 PM

Signal-11

Apr 19, 2009, 09:39 PM

Properly configured, it's automatic with Logitech's mice. Plug it in and hopefully it doesn't lock onto another channel, or the other's base-station. This problem is amplified when two or more wireless mice are with in a few yards of each other, because sometimes the new one will lock onto the strongest source, even if it's not its own.

My Cordless Logitech mouse and my VX400 have been pretty good when running along side my MX1000, much better than my old MX700, but it's never problem free. Sometimes just the second mouse will cause my mouse's tracking to freak out, until I reconnect one of them.

Even wifi routers and phones can cause problems with these mice. Moving to a Aiport Extreme helped out my situation some, but I had to get rid of my 2.4 Ghz phones, as they would lock onto the strongest source. There are only so many channels available. It would have been nice if these mice and my old phones had allowed me to pick their channel, that would have eliminated some of the problems I've encountered over the years.

Even with Logitech's newer Revolution, it's still prone to the same problems, so unless you're talking about the most recent mice, like the Mamba -- which you mentioned you don't have -- which has some new method of finding a clear channel, there has not been a wireless mouse that hasn't been prone to interference, and even the Mamba is up in the air, as it's still new.

If my primary PC were in another room, I might have bought a wireless mouse for it, but since I'll sometimes bring it to LAN parties and more importantly it's sharing the same desk as my MacBook Pro. Choosing a wired mouse for my PC was one less headache for me to deal with. I'll keep the wireless one on my Mac, as that's what I use a majority of the time.

I guess I have had particularly good experiences in the recent past with respect to the ability wireless devices in general, once properly configured, not to mess with one another. I was wondering why yours was so negative, because your scenario doesn't sound any more challenging than mine. Anyway, here's what I discovered:

http://www.logitechy.com/search/label/Device%20range

Are you sure that that the devices you believe were causing interference with each other were the real culprits?

Some phones are notorious for messing with connections with constant frequency hopping, sure, but pair of modern wireless device should be able to find an uninhabited channel, not interfere with any of the other channels, and stay there unless it has a good reason to move. This is actually more true as we expect these devices to handle more and more data. RF tech is getting better all the time, despite people's misunderstandings and strange beliefs about how radio frequencies work.

Anyway, check those freqs on those devices you believed interfered with each other and try checking for other culprits.

Besides, with the Mamba, a mouse which at $130 I definitely intend to try before I buy, can be plugged in. ;)

aznguyen316

Apr 19, 2009, 11:09 PM

just saw mamba is on sale at best buy for $116.99.. might go check one out

fblack

Apr 20, 2009, 12:22 AM

Long time back I used to use Kensington turbo mouse. I love that trackball, even use to play RTS games with it. Unfortunately, Kensington's trackballs have been lousy for several years. Made me go back to using a mice.

On my mac I use a Logitech MX1000, its very stylish and has lasted me a long time. It tracks really well. The only issue is that its a tad wide and weighs like a brick. In extended sessions it kills my hand. I'm not a big fan of logitech software on the pc or mac, but they are getting a bit better, if slowly. On my PC most MS mice bite, but the one that works for me comfort wise and with adequate sized buttons is the good old MS Intellimouse Explorer. The negative is that they tend to die fast. Next time I may consider a razer...

spaceballl

Apr 20, 2009, 03:09 AM

just don't get a bluetooth mouse!

vaderhater245

Apr 23, 2009, 03:11 AM

G9 ftw!!!!!!

Beric

Apr 23, 2009, 04:05 AM

My Logitech G5 just arrived yesterday. I really like it, and I haven't even had time to do gaming yet. I really need a new mouse pad for it, though. Thinking about a Razer.

Signal-11

Apr 23, 2009, 04:44 AM

My Logitech G5 just arrived yesterday. I really like it, and I haven't even had time to do gaming yet. I really need a new mouse pad for it, though. Thinking about a Razer.

If you prefer a soft surface regular surface mousepad, may I suggest the XTracPads RipperXXL? Once you use it, anything smaller feels like a compromise.

sinser

Apr 24, 2009, 11:09 AM

Now I have the Razer Deathadder + Razer Goliathus mouse pad. Really pleased. The only thing that sucks is that after installing the Razer software, every time I reboot my mac with my Mighty Mouse (Razer is just for gaming), I see that in system preferences the sensivity has been lowered and I need to turn it up again. Is someone else experiencing this ? Is there a fix ?

Illicit

Apr 24, 2009, 11:21 AM

I use this one. It feels good in the hand, has easy access to all the buttons. Smooth on the bottom and buttons never get stuck or sticky. Also helps find small items in the dark.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=008#

aznguyen316

Apr 24, 2009, 12:00 PM

FRKT

Apr 27, 2009, 12:09 PM

How are you holding it? I ask, because with my old MX-700(G5 molding) and the MX-1000 I replaced that with and still use on my Mac today, I rest the palm of my hand on the back of the mouse. Now with my G9, I rest the palm of my hand on the mouse pad. This makes it easy to do quick small movements, like pulling the mouse back, more so than my MX-1000, or any other similar designed mouse. If I rest my palm on the G9, not only does it feel weird, but it hinders its movement. I use my thumb and ring finger for most moments, on both mice, but the G9's lack of tapered end makes it easier to do so, as it provides more room for movement.

I honestly wasn't sure I would like the G9 at first, mainly because I was trying to rest my hand on it, but now I love it and I can see why they didn't go with the tapered design. I use my MX-1000 most of the time, but have no issues going to the G9 late at night to play a game with some friends.

I hold my G9 like you do. The point you present is mighty good - I think you're right, I'm able to respond faster due to resting my palm on the mousepad rather than on the mouse itself. That said, the G5 might be a more comfortable mouse for the same reason. It's hard to say.