John McCain throws himself into the gutter

[Thomas Veil]

(How's that for an engaging thread title? ;) )

McCain Plans Fiercer Strategy Against Obama (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/03/AR2008100303738.html?hpid=topnews)
By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 4, 2008; Page A01

Sen. John McCain and his Republican allies are readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character, believing that to win in November they must shift the conversation back to questions about the Democrat's judgment, honesty and personal associations, several top Republicans said.

With just a month to go until Election Day, McCain's team has decided that its emphasis on the senator's biography as a war hero, experienced lawmaker and straight-talking maverick is insufficient to close a growing gap with Obama. The Arizonan's campaign is also eager to move the conversation away from the economy, an issue that strongly favors Obama and has helped him to a lead in many recent polls.

"We're going to get a little tougher," a senior Republican operative said, indicating that a fresh batch of television ads is coming. "We've got to question this guy's associations. Very soon. There's no question that we have to change the subject here," said the operative, who was not authorized to discuss strategy and spoke on the condition of anonymity.I've already seen evidence of this. We're a battleground state here in Ohio, of course. I've seen one commercial (admittedly in passing, so I didn't notice whether it was paid for by McCain or a 527) that is a smearfest, laden with ominous music, dark clouds, portentous narration, and a scowling photo of Obama, seeking to link Obama to Tony Rezko, William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. In fact, it prominently displays Wright's infamous "God damn America" line.

Not able to win on their record and platform, the McCain campaign is gonna try to scare the **** out of people.

I think it might net them a few voters, but not enough to win. It's too late for that, and as for the scare tactics, the Republicans have been once too often to this particular well.

[rdowns]

Strangely, we are getting these McCain ads in NY. As NY stations reach into NJ and CT, all solid blue states, it makes little sense to me. I guess the small part of PA that can get NY stations are the target, although PA aint looking too good for McCain right now.

[és:]

Questions about Obama's honesty and judgement!!!

McCain is the least honest and has the worst judgement.

[arkitect]

John McCain throws himself into the gutter
(How's that for an engaging thread title? ;) )


Oh, if only it were literally true.
:D

[Anuba]

I saw a piece on CNN where voters talked about how sick they were of the negative campaigning, they wanted to hear the candidates talk about themselves and their policies from now on. I guess McCain couldn't have picked a worse time to crank the scaremongering up to 11. Then again it's no news that gramPOW McCain is out of touch with the 21st century.

[Anuba]

Strangely, we are getting these McCain ads in NY. As NY stations reach into NJ and CT, all solid blue states, it makes little sense to me. I guess the small part of PA that can get NY stations are the target, although PA aint looking too good for McCain right now.
"Hi. I'm John McCain. My big selling point is that I'm a frugal SOB who doesn't waste money on senseless projects, and I'm demonstrating that by blowing millions of $$$ on TV ads in solid blue states where I don't stand a chance." :rolleyes:

[yg17]

Ask Hillary how well the Rev. Wright and Ayers crap worked out for her.

[TheAnswer]

Yet another McCain flip-flop in an attempt to get some votes. :rolleyes:

Just a couple of days ago he was on NPR saying he knows how to run an honorable campaign (which was a dubious claim at that point). Now he's pulling the positive ads and going even more negative?

Also indicative is this idea he wants to move the conversation away from the economy (you know, the issue that matters most in these times) because he knows he can't win on the actual issues.

[Anuba]

I gotta ask... in America, is it considered a sign of strength to appear desperate?

How does that work, like, "wow, this guy will really do anything to win, I guess that means he would do anything for America too!"...?

Not, like, "jeez, this is about as undignified as it gets. What a loser, I'm voting for the other guy"...?

[mactastic]

As if we couldn't see this coming. The next 4 weeks are going to be UGLY. McCain is about to borrow a page for the Hillary Clinton "kitchen sink" strategy, only he's going to take it up a couple more notches.

[BoyBach]

...only he's going to take it up a couple more notches.


That sounds eye-wateringly (sic) painful! :eek:

[Frisco]

Yep we are about to be reintroduced to Rev. Wright.

[rdowns]

Yep we are about to be reintroduced to Rev. Wright.

They should think long and hard before they do that lest America be introduced to Palin's witch hunting pastor.

[Peace]

They should think long and hard before they do that lest America be introduced to Palin's witch hunting pastor.

If the repugnant party wants to use Rev. Wrong then Obama needs to use the witch hunter.

[NT1440]

whats sad is that this will probably work.......

[rdowns]

If the repugnant party wants to use Rev. Wrong then Obama needs to use the witch hunter.


Not to mention that repugnant evangelical that McCain had ties to. I forget his name and can't be bothered to Google it.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Just like Bush, throw mud, make up stuff more Mud and talk about those stupid divisive issues from decades past, more spin ,lies and mud and fear and just maybe you can get 50.5% of the vote. We havent had a Code red,orange or whatever isnt time Bush has one? Shouldnt we be wrapping our houses in plastic because of Iran,Putin or Palin?

[NT1440]

Obama should start running ads of the many interviews in which mccain promised to run a clean campaign.


Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?

[TheAnswer]

Obama should start running ads of the many interviews in which mccain promised to run a clean campaign.

Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?

Agreed. I'd much rather see Obama run ads about McCain feeling the need to resort to negative ads because he can't win on the issues.

Negative ads don't work well on independents, so the fact that McCain is running them means he's (still) worried out securing turnout of the party base. It's a sign of desperation, especially considering the ghosts the old man has in his closet.

[Peace]

This all kinda reminds me of an old friend. He was a great skier. One day he got in a wreck and became a paraplegic in a wheelchair. Poor guy.

A great poker friend. We used to have poker nights every friday. 6-10 of us would sit around playing poker and drinking beer etc..
We all helped him when he asked for help getting his wheelchair around obstacles.

But ya know what else ? He was an *******. Pure and simple.

What's this got to do John McCain ?

I am sick and tired of all the platitudes given out to him because he was a POW. My friend was an ******* and many times people called him that because he was. It didn't matter that he was in a wheelchair. He was still an *******.

Same with McCain. He's was a POW. We all know that..It's time to start calling this guy an ******* in the public arena.

[SMM]

I gotta ask... in America, is it considered a sign of strength to appear desperate?

How does that work, like, "wow, this guy will really do anything to win, I guess that means he would do anything for America too!"...?

Not, like, "jeez, this is about as undignified as it gets. What a loser, I'm voting for the other guy"...?

I wish it would be like the latter. Americans as a whole, would much like to be entertained than think. Most American think what they are told to think. If they see a negative add, they often assume it is true. People who spend too much time in front of a TV, become far more susceptible to visual stimuli, than audio. Most people also respond to fear. So, combine the two; strong fearful imagery and point it at your adversary. This has been the republican strategy for many years. Unfortunately for them, this election it is not working as well. They have come close to destroying America, and people know it.

[Prof.]

I no longer only hate McCain as a politician any more. I now also hate him as a person. He has sunk to so many new lows over the past few months, that whatever honor he had, it is now gone forever.

John McCain - you are a disgrace to The United States of America and to its people.:mad:

[Thomas Veil]

Why is it that the republicans never seem to be able to run on the issues?Talk about a rhetorical question.... :D

[freeny]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/04/palin-hits-obama-for-terrorist-connection/

it has begun.

I too have lost all respect for McCain :(

[Don't panic]

coming from a man who has in his past (even if under duresse) collaborated with the enemy at a likely cost of american lifes and resources (with the difference that in this case the allegation are justified), it's rich.

[Anuba]

In what is perhaps the lowest guilt-by-association blow so far, Palin now claims that Obama pals with terrorists:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html

"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Now, are they gonna wait and hope that an Obama windsurfing video surfaces, or are they just gonna Photoshop his face into a gathering of Black Panthers?

[Thomas Veil]

This is gonna backfire.

Watch.

[TheAnswer]

The most Obama aligned 527's should do is go with the McCain-Keating-Gramm connections.

It's the economy, stupid. Not his dubious strings-pulled pilot assignment, not his "Songbird (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGtTblTR0YU)" collaboration with the Vietcong, Not his abandonment of his disabled wife.

Just the economy. McCain and his Wall Street pals. That's it.

[Peace]

In what is perhaps the lowest guilt-by-association blow so far, Palin now claims that Obama pals with terrorists:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/04/palin.obama/index.html

"We see America as the greatest force for good in this world," Palin said at a fund-raising event in Colorado, adding, "Our opponent though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Now, are they gonna wait and hope that an Obama windsurfing video surfaces, or are they just gonna Photoshop his face into a gathering of Black Panthers?

The only person "Palin around with terrorist" is Palin.

[mgguy]

I am shocked, just SHOCKED, that a politician would ever use negative ads to win an election. :rolleyes:

Seems like McCain may be taking a page out of the Clinton playbook. BTW, I believe she is a Democrat ...

[kabunaru]

I too have lost all respect for McCain :(

Screw McCain and Palin.
They really do make Republicans look bad. :(

[yg17]

I am shocked, just SHOCKED, that a politician would ever use negative ads to win an election. :rolleyes:

Seems like McCain may be taking a page out of the Clinton playbook. BTW, I believe she is a Democrat ...

And Clinton took plenty of criticism from us for her dirty campaign tricks.

[SMM]

In what is perhaps the lowest guilt-by-association blow so far, Palin now claims that Obama pals with terrorists:

[ ... ]

Now, are they gonna wait and hope that an Obama windsurfing video surfaces, or are they just gonna Photoshop his face into a gathering of Black Panthers?



Thanks for posting that.

Hey Palin, is not lying a sin? Jesus is watching. :mad:

[SMM]

This is gonna backfire.

Watch.

I think you are right Thomas Veil, especially if they cannot offer anything new and simply regurgitate the same old sheet in a new package. However, they really are limited to that strategy. Their party has screwed-up everything they have touched. I cannot think of a single positive achievement made by this administration. Can you? What a friggin' record, 0-for-8 years :eek:

Palin had also better watch her mouth. Some of the media, and most of the blogosphere, have taken aim at her. However, the Obama campaign has been relatively easy on her. If she begins a character assassination attack against Obama, she might get a counter-strike against her. It would not be pretty. She has far too many vulnerabilities. Can you imagine what a Rove-like slime master could do, with the opportunities she presents?

Update:

I just went over to TPMMuckraker to look through their "Recommended Reader Posts". Someone had a post that looks very similar. The title is "Time To Punch Palin In her Face!!! (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/time-to-punch-palin-in-her-fac.php)".

[scotthayes]

A truly sad state of affairs if they think the only way to win is to forget about their polices and go negative.

Of course saying if you are a woman and don't support another woman you are going to hell is a pretty crappy stump speech, even more so when you totally screw up the actual quote.

Palin misquotes Albright (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/palin-misquotes-albright_n_131967.html)

[Schtumple]

Wow, whatever happened to just running ads that show you are a true leader, and that your policies are right? at what point did smear festivals become the norm?

[.Andy]

I am shocked, just SHOCKED, that a politician would ever use negative ads to win an election. :rolleyes:

Seems like McCain may be taking a page out of the Clinton playbook. BTW, I believe she is a Democrat ...
Hopefully negative campaigning will be as successful for McCain as it was for Hillary.

[Peace]

Hopefully negative campaigning will be as successful for McCain as it was for Hillary.

Worked pretty good for Bush.

[Anuba]

Since the combination of fear and guilt-by-association is so popular in the McCain camp, I have an idea for the Obama camp.

Make a series of 30-second short films called "MAVERICKS". They needn't mention Palin or McCain, instead these films could be about all the famous mavericks through the ages; rebels, non-conformists and lone dissenters who made their own kind of music and didn't allow any itsy-bitsy government, status quo or consensus to stand in their way. People like, you know, Hitler, Napoleon, Hunter S. Thompson, Tim Leary, Howard Hughes, James Traficant and other weirdos who ultimately ********* everything up for themselves and/or the rest of the world. Then end the episode with a sarcastic voice reading a tagline like...

"Mavericks. Because life is a gamble."
"Mavericks. They trust nobody, trust them."
"Mavericks. When the usual cannons aren't loose enough for ya."
"Mavericks. You'll never know what they'll do next."

[freeny]

And Clinton took plenty of criticism from us for her dirty campaign tricks.

true, I was originally a Hillary supporter...
McCain makes it easier to vote Obama every day.

[Lord Blackadder]

This is gonna backfire.

Watch.

From your lips to God's ear, my friend.

I consider myself a moderate liberal, and not a straight-ticket Democrat.

But the major problem I have with the GOP is their focus on character assassination by way of exaggeration and outright falsehood. They've won the last two elections that way and I'm sick of it. The personal attacks and dishonesty have pushed me firmly into the Democratic camp. The GOP is the party of the liar, the redneck, the oligarch, and the religious zealot. I do not identify with it at all.

Obama is running a positive political campaign, focusing on the issues, while the party that claims to have a monopoly on morality is seeking to defeat him by lying to the American people and using lowbrow political tactics that should make any decent person blush.

It's all so very frightening.

[balamw]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/obama-ad-responds-to-comi_n_131982.html

McCain, erratic in a crisis.

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[rdowns]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/obama-ad-responds-to-comi_n_131982.html

McCain, erratic in a crisis.

B

Every ad they run should show him standing with Bush.

[Thomas Veil]

Worked pretty good for Bush.Yeah, but this isn't 2000 or 2004. That's in part what I meant by them going once too often to this particular well. I think more voters are wise these days to being manipulated in such an obvious way.

In point of fact, that's why I'm quite confident that McCain is going to lose. I see no strategy left for him that will work -- and it sounded like the Meet the Press gang felt the same way when I watched them this morning.

Economy? No, that plays to Obama's strengths.

Experience? Nope -- that issue got blown up when Sarah Palin came on board.

Fear? Lotsa problems with this. (1) Already tried with only limited success. (2) It's getting late in the campaign for this. Woulda worked better months and months ago when voters were less sure of who Obama is. (3) If this is the way they wanna play it, the Obama campaign could very well bring up the subject of the Keating scandal, and does McCain really want that? (4) This type of campaign is getting old. How many times have we heard people on this very forum who said they used to respect John McCain, say that they don't respect him anymore?

McCain's got limited options, none of them are good ones, and time and the number of undecided voters are rapidly running out. Again, barring some event that comes totally out of left field, Obama is going to be president.

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Strangely, we are getting these McCain ads in NY. As NY stations reach into NJ and CT, all solid blue states, it makes little sense to me. I guess the small part of PA that can get NY stations are the target, although PA aint looking too good for McCain right now.

McCain just opened a camp a block away from my school. My school is in Massachusetts...:rolleyes:

[IJ Reilly]

It's all so very frightening.

But at the same time, so incredibly normal.

[Iscariot]

I think more voters are wise these days to being manipulated in such an obvious way.

I disagree. Voter IQ didn't spontaneous go up a few points. If it doesn't work this time, it will be because the Democrats have a stronger candidate, and because the issues are very much slanted in their favour. If voter's were actually more wise to being manipulated, McCain would be polling half as well as he is now. It's not that people got smarter, it's that the stakes have changed.

[Anuba]

I disagree. Voter IQ didn't spontaneous go up a few points.
Here's a load of voter IQ for ya, from a clip about Palin supporters on CNN:

"I do relate to her more, especially because I too have five children, I’m a working mom... Being in the hockey atmosphere, we know what she goes through."

Like Bill Maher said:

"The moronic voters of Alaska, just like the moronic voters all over the country, like her. They don't vote on any criteria that matters in really running a government. That's how she got to be the governor of Alaska -- they liked her. 'I like her! I like her family! She seems like me!' Yeah, a moron."

[solvs]

Glad Obama's kinda trying to be preventative with this (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/05/obama_warns_against_mccain_sme.html?hpid=topnews), pointing out how desperate this is (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/at-the-foothill.html), but it's going to get worse from here:

RACE BAITING BY MCCAIN CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL IN VIRGINIA- UPDATED (http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2008/10/race-baiting-by.html)

[solvs]

Obama has decided to hit back. And hard. Finally:

Obama to hit McCain on Keating Five (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html)

KeatingEconomics.com

[Anuba]

Obama has decided to hit back. And hard. Finally:

Obama to hit McCain on Keating Five (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html)

KeatingEconomics.com
Very clever use of the web...

The most damning material I've seen yet, though, is here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Make-Believe Maverick

A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty.

"This is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.

In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.

In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot."

[TheAnswer]

Make-Believe Maverick

George W. Bush was a much better pilot."

The L.A. Times just ran a story of McCain's unusual propensity for recklessness with government aircraft (and, therefore, taxpayer money).

Mishaps mark John McCain's record as naval aviator (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aviator6-2008oct06,0,7633315.story).

[doctor pangloss]

Very clever use of the web...

The most damning material I've seen yet, though, is here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Mostly Tim Dickenson editorial opinion, a la Mother Jones/Rolling Stone, serious journalism. Hunter Thompson is rolling in his grave.;)

[balamw]

This is the way to fight back. Use his own words against him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/new-dnc-ad-criticizes-mcc_n_132113.html

CHYRON: "John McCain... readying a newly aggressive assault on Sen. Barack Obama's character." [Washington Post, 10/04/08]

VIDEO: Montage of McCain attack ads

CHYRON: John McCain is "looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis." [Washington Post, 10/04/08]

VIDEO: Montage of McCain attack ads

CHYRON: McCain Campaign's Ad Spending Now Nearly 100 Percent Devoted to Attack Ads [Talking Points Memo, 10/3/08]

MCAIN: "I'm John McCain and I approved this message."

MCCAIN: "Uh, I, I just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it." [The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer, 2/21/2000]

CHYRON: John McCain: We Can't Afford More of the Same

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[Anuba]

This is the way to fight back. Use his own words against him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/new-dnc-ad-criticizes-mcc_n_132113.html

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It's good, but... it's a negative attack ad attacking negative attack ads. Obama is being pulled into an infinite loop of negativity here. You can't fault him for hitting back, but he should put the money where his mouth is and stick to talking about the issues. Right now he's more busy talking about McCain's attempts to smear him and create distractions.

If this continues we'll be left with two candidates who never talk about the issues, and debates will end up looking like the South Park episode "Douche and Turd":

"You know, my opponent wouldn't even know the answer to that question. If you asked him the same question, he would not answer it. He would stand around and just babble on and on about nothing, until finally he was saved by the buzzer, and -"

*BUZZ*

BTW, if McCain feels that it's time to "turn the page on the financial crisis", he's even shallower than I thought. He's in for a world of hurt... this is where the crisis really kicks into overdrive. Today, the crisis has gone global and all markets are plummeting in anticipation of word on a European bailout plan, which is MUCH harder to push through because the EU member states are nowhere near as tight a federation as the US is. There's no way in hell that Finns and Belgians are gonna bail out Germany and the Netherlands. The economy will be making headlines every single day until election day, and long afterwards...

[balamw]

It's good, but... it's a negative attack ad attacking negative attack ads. Obama is being pulled into an infinite loop of negativity here. You can't fault him for hitting back, but he should put the money where his mouth is and stick to talking about the issues. Right now he's more busy talking about McCain's attempts to smear him and create distractions.

Does this work better for you. http://www.keatingeconomics.com/

The current economic crisis demands that we understand John McCain's attitudes about economic oversight and corporate influence in federal regulation. Nothing illustrates the danger of his approach more clearly than his central role in the savings and loan scandal of the late '80s and early '90s.

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[BoyBach]

"Terr'rist!" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXf9AUHTqM&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html)

Whilst I can't condemn Sen. McCain for the garbage that one of his supporters spurted out, I can certainly condemn the presidential candidate for what he didn't say or do in response.

A decent man would have condemned such a pathetic statement instead of producing that god awful ****-eating smirk of his.

What an odious twat McCain is turning out to be.

[mactastic]

"Terr'rist!" (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXf9AUHTqM&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html)

Whilst I can't condemn Sen. McCain for the garbage that one of his supporters spurted out, I can certainly condemn the presidential candidate for what he didn't say or do in response.

A decent man would have condemned such a pathetic statement instead of producing that god awful ****-eating smirk of his.

What an odious twat McCain is turning out to be.
It's not the first time McCain has put principle aside in this manner during this campaign. Back when Clinton was assumed to be the nominee someone in a McCain crowd asked "How do we beat the bitch?"

An honorable man would have corrected his supporter, telling them that calling Clinton a bitch was out of bounds and that she was to be treated with at least a minimum of respect.

McCain laughed instead.

Scum, my friends. That's what he's shown himself to be. So focused on doing whatever it takes to gain power that he's willing to trade his honor and soul for the presidency.

[abijnk]

It's not the first time McCain has put principle aside in this manner during this campaign. Back when Clinton was assumed to be the nominee someone in a McCain crowd asked "How do we beat the bitch?"

An honorable man would have corrected his supporter, telling them that calling Clinton a bitch was out of bounds and that she was to be treated with at least a minimum of respect.

McCain laughed instead.

Scum, my friends. That's what he's shown himself to be. So focused on doing whatever it takes to gain power that he's willing to trade his honor and soul for the presidency.

His running mate is no better. Palin was on a radio show and laughed right along with the DJs when they were calling the president of the Alaskan senate (Lyda Green) a bitch, a cancer, and making fun of her parenting. You can find the audio on youtube.

Edit: Youtube Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_23HhsKOQQ)

[Peace]

It's my personal opinion that John McCain is not mentally fit to be president.

He's mentally ill. And I feel sorry for his illness but he can't be President. Not with a gun toting Alaskan Separatist as VP.

[doctor pangloss]

It's my personal opinion that John McCain is not mentally fit to be president.

He's mentally ill. And I feel sorry for his illness but he can't be President. Not with a gun toting Alaskan Separatist as VP.


It's always a mistake to confuse emotion with fact.:D

[beatzfreak]

It's always a mistake to confuse emotion with fact.:D

I agree. It's disturbing to see McCain / Palin misstating facts to drum up fear and hatred towards Obama.

[solvs]

Mostly Tim Dickenson editorial opinion, a la Mother Jones/Rolling Stone, serious journalism. Hunter Thompson is rolling in his grave.;)
Read the article in question and find one things that's factually incorrect.

It's always a mistake to confuse emotion with fact.:D
If we did that, your candidate would lose by a much larger margin than he already is.

Or are you going to tell me that the latest smears ads the McCain campaign is putting out are factually true and have rot all to do with anything, and that they don't play on emotion (namely fear).


It's Over: Why Bill Ayers Won't Save John McCain (http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_flack/archive/2008/10/05/it-s-over.aspx)
Over Two Dozen Lies Refuted About Ayers And Obama (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/30-lies-refuted-about-aye_b_132109.html)
Embarracuda (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/embarracuda.html)
Who's Funding New Anti-Obama Wright Ad? (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/whos-funding-latest-anti_n_132369.html)
Change vs. Change the Subject (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzRjMDk4MmVhZWFmODI2ZTg4MDIyM2NhMGNmMWI1NGU=)

[Anuba]

I agree. It's disturbing to see McCain / Palin misstating facts to drum up fear and hatred towards Obama.
What's even more disturbing is to see that Cindy McCain now claims that Obama is running "the dirtiest campaign in American history". :rolleyes:

[NT1440]

What's even more disturbing is to see that Cindy McCain now claims that Obama is running "the dirtiest campaign in American history". :rolleyes:

Cindy mccain, ooh wat can we say about her......

[Thomas Veil]

What's even more disturbing is to see that Cindy McCain now claims that Obama is running "the dirtiest campaign in American history". :rolleyes:Excuse me?? :eek:

[atszyman]

What's even more disturbing is to see that Cindy McCain now claims that Obama is running "the dirtiest campaign in American history". :rolleyes:

Excuse me?? :eek:

Remember a great man once said, "It's not a lie if you believe it to be true."

So if they're only speaking the truth (in their eyes) then I could see how they might see Obama's campaign as dirty. However it does go a long way to proving that they are delusional.

[Mike Teezie]

Excuse me?? :eek:

Enjoy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-obamas-waged_n_132751.html), sir.

I don't like to link to HuffPo, but they source the quote in the article.

[NT1440]

I honestly wonder how mccain, or anyone that deals with dirty politics, can live with themselves. They are out to gain power plain and simple. If you dont have the peoples best interests at heart, then why the hell are you even running?

Ill tell you why mccain is running, power.

Its evident that being the best is all he cares about. Look at his justification for continuing the ware "bring them back with honor an victory instead of humiliation and defeat". I thought war was supposed to solve some comflict (never does) not for bragging rights.

I thought if mccain loses I would be able to respect him as a senator. I can no longer see him that way, to me he is a dirty lying power hungry pig. I have no respect for him at all anymore, veteran of not.

[solvs]

Also very disappointed with McCain lately (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14364.html). I don't know if he has changed, or really never was the way some of us thought. Obama is hitting back with a timely, and fact based, attack, and it looks like it's sticking:

Obama on Attacking Keating Attacks on McCain: ‘We Don't Throw the First Punch, But We'll Throw the Last’ (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-on-attack.html)
McCain's "Keating 5" Scandal Involvement To Be Highlighted By Obama Campaign (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/05/mccains-keating-5-scandal_n_132103.html)
Obama Claps Back With Keating Five (http://washingtonindependent.com/10521/obama-claps-back-with-keating-five)
Engaging on Keating (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Engaging_on_Keating.html)
Flashback: Lawyer Defending McCain On Keating Five: "We Lost The McCain I Knew" (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/lawyer_defending_mccain_on_kea.php)
Keating Inquiry Appears Different, 17 Years Later (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/keating_inquiry_appears_differ.html)
DeConcini says Keating Five is fair game (http://www.politicker.com/deconcini-says-keating-five-fair-game)

Fact checking McCain though:

Drilling Down on the Facts in McCain’s Speech (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/06/drilling-down-on-the-facts-in-mccains-speech/)

And:

Pinocchio Politics (http://www.pinocchiopolitics.org/long_list.htm) - Long List of Lies

It ain't pretty.

[Thomas Veil]

Enjoy (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-obamas-waged_n_132751.html), sir.

I don't like to link to HuffPo, but they source the quote in the article.Huh. Didn't think she'd get down in the gutter with her husband. She comes across well enough in TV interviews, but I'm sorry, that's really messed up.

[freeny]

I honestly wonder how mccain, or anyone that deals with dirty politics, can live with themselves. They are out to gain power plain and simple. If you dont have the peoples best interests at heart, then why the hell are you even running?

Up until Bush was elected it was widely viewed that the government runs itself with or without the president...

McCain appeals to those who still think this way?...

[freeny]

Huh. Didn't think she'd get down in the gutter with her husband. She comes across well enough in TV interviews, but I'm sorry, that's really messed up.

That woman needs to get back on the pole from which she came from...

[mactastic]

Cindy mccain, ooh wat can we say about her......
Maybe she's back on the pills? :p

[abijnk]

Maybe she's back on the pills? :p

:eek::eek::eek:
Isn't family off limits!!!!

Oh, wait... :rolleyes: