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MacBytes
Jan 27, 2004, 11:43 AM
Category: Opinion/Interviews
Link: Bill gates dares to speak about apples security (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040127124326)

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Sun Baked
Jan 27, 2004, 11:49 AM
Isn't this like saying a Ford Escort that's always in the repair shop for breakdowns is a more reliable car than a oil change only Lexus, because the Escort is better maintained than the Lexus?

jnasato
Jan 27, 2004, 12:17 PM
Yah, Gates is assuming that the other OSs potentially have the same amount of security flaws as Windows.

But it's hard to say whether the security of Mac OS X is due to the lack of hacker interest or an actually secure OS, so Gates has a fair assumption.
Maybe the true safety of Mac OS X (and Linux) hasn't been put to the test (yet?).

Lancetx
Jan 27, 2004, 12:33 PM
To assume that OS X and Linux are more secure primarily due to "lack of hacker interest" is making quite an enormous assumption I'd say. It has been well documented many times that is not the main factor in why Windows has so many security issues that do not affect their competition.

This story is just more CYA on Gates' part, usually it's the Sweaty One that is out there rambling such nonsense. The point is that they have a huge security risk problem on their hands that is going to take years (if ever) to clean up. They fully realize this, but as long as people keep paying up for Windows, they really don't have a lot to have to worry about...yet.

druggedonions
Jan 27, 2004, 12:46 PM
The british government give bill gates a knighthood.
And the next day he's on his high horse!

mainstreetmark
Jan 27, 2004, 12:52 PM
Does Windows have hackers because of more security holes or security holes because of more hackers? That's a brain noodle.

Sayhey
Jan 27, 2004, 01:09 PM
All I've to say is this sounds like just more Microsoft FUD.

Photorun
Jan 27, 2004, 01:12 PM
I didn't realize Bill Gates does stand up comedy? Wow, he actually IS talented!

Rower_CPU
Jan 27, 2004, 01:34 PM
Gates said "virtually all" Microsoft customers are now using automatic patching.

Really? Quick show of hands, who uses the automatic update feature?

I never do in our lab environment, or personally.

billyboy
Jan 27, 2004, 02:17 PM
Does everyone with a Mac online have warnings about security updates automatically appearing? Mine is set for once a week, which could be a long time in virus land. I know viruses arent a deal right now unless you run MS Office, but just for belt and braces, and also as a means for instilling good practice into us, perhaps Apple should have an over-rider for security updates. Not to force launch the update, but to display it perhaps in the menubar, until it is installed. Assuming security patches are issued because they are really important, I wouldn't take that small imposition as a Big Brother type move.

Mr.Hey
Jan 27, 2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by druggedonions
The british government give bill gates a knighthood.
And the next day he's on his high horse!


:D

dombi
Jan 27, 2004, 02:41 PM
Makes me wonder if he is getting afraid of Linux and the Mac. Why else would he try to create negative press for the other two operating systems?

He is right in a way, and in others he is completely wrong. To give Outlook the ability to communicate with the operating system the way it does was a serious flaw in their design. Can he just admit that?

CMYanko
Jan 27, 2004, 02:49 PM
What a wonderfull job of spinning your softwares biggest weakness as possibly, ultimately, its biggest strength!

People don't load patches because they often lead to even worse problems making the cure worse than the disease.

Qunchuy
Jan 27, 2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Really? Quick show of hands, who uses the automatic update feature?

I never do in our lab environment, or personally.
The thousands of Windows systems where I work are behind a very effective firewall, and most are totally locked down so the users can't do administrative tasks. Nobody could use the automatic update even if he wanted to.

Qunchuy
Jan 27, 2004, 03:06 PM
Gates also said Microsoft is looking at ways of developing e-mail protocols so that a recipient can verify the sender of the e-mail. "This is critical for security," he said, "and for getting rid of spam."
As long as we don't end up with a Microsoft proprietary protocol to replace SMTP, or an IEEE standard with Microsoft "enhancements", I'll agree with the need to have authenticated sender identity. It's already possible using public key cryptographic systems.

Rower_CPU
Jan 27, 2004, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Qunchuy
The thousands of Windows systems where I work are behind a very effective firewall, and most are totally locked down so the users can't do administrative tasks. Nobody could use the automatic update even if he wanted to.

Exactly. I'm not sure where this "virtually all" claim is coming from, other than Bill's nether region. ;)

redAPPLE
Jan 27, 2004, 03:14 PM
i always thought a man who is "wise" enough to earn that much money would be wise enough to measure his words...

actually is has been "proven" by experts and journalists :D that at least, the mac is a secure OS.

i would agree though that a windows user who has the a lot of time, effort and will, might also find a flaw in the os x system.

mainstreetmark
Jan 27, 2004, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Exactly. I'm not sure where this "virtually all" claim is coming from, other than Bill's nether region. ;)

Probably from Paul Thurrott.

zellin
Jan 27, 2004, 05:11 PM
LOL Mark!!!
Thurott and Gates are jokes.
Maybe Thurott will get knighted...

richters
Jan 27, 2004, 05:19 PM
"
As The New York Times reported back in September:

Mac OS X and Linux are much more secure than Windows XP. For example:

- Windows comes with five of its ports open; Mac OS X comes with all of them shut and locked... These ports are precisely what permitted viruses like Blaster to infiltrate millions of PCs. Microsoft says that it won't have an opportunity to close these ports until the next version of Windows, which is a couple of years away.

- When a program tries to install itself in Mac OS X... a dialog box interrupts your work and asks you permission for that installation -- in fact, requires your account password. Windows XP goes ahead and installs it, potentially without your awareness.

- Administrator accounts in Windows (and therefore viruses that exploit it) have access to all areas of the operating system. In Mac OS X, even an administrator can't touch the files that drive the operating system itself. A Mac OS X virus (if there were such a thing) could theoretically wipe out all of your files, but wouldn't be able to access anyone else's stuff -- and couldn't touch the operating system itself.

- No Macintosh e-mail program automatically runs scripts that come attached to incoming messages, as Microsoft Outlook does.

...the conclusion is clear: Linux and Mac OS X aren't just more secure because fewer people use them. They're also much harder to crack right out of the box.
"

applemacdude
Jan 27, 2004, 06:07 PM
What Billy says is like Blah

From Win to Mac
Jan 27, 2004, 10:29 PM
you see guys i live in Canada...
i don't lock my doors at night

But you can bet that the guy that lives in Philadelphia is locking all his locks, and he's "patched up" his door over and over again so that there are no holes.
Now, who's safer ?
Me or the poor bastard that lives down the border ??

I would say me.

And remember, OS X's and Linux's doors ARE locked, so for sure they're pretty damn safe !

yamabushi
Jan 28, 2004, 12:05 AM
Not a bad analogy. Perhaps a future Apple ad campaign could tell people to "move to a better neigborhood". Of course the ads would have to be careful not to show an ethnic or cultural bias.