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RRutter
Oct 11, 2008, 09:44 PM
Hello! I was wondering how the quality would look if I were to convert a MKV (High Definition, 720p Movie) to MP4 (For my Apple TV.) Would the quality still be HD Quality? Thanks so much.

:apple:



Andrew Henry
Oct 11, 2008, 10:17 PM
Every movie that is on my :apple:tv is a .mkv to .mp4 and they look awesome! I use VisualHub to convert them and they look great I can barely notice a difference.

RRutter
Oct 11, 2008, 10:45 PM
Every movie that is on my :apple:tv is a .mkv to .mp4 and they look awesome! I use VisualHub to convert them and they look great I can barely notice a difference.

I, too, use VisualHub, and have MKV's that I would like to convert - I'm glad to hear that they'll be HD even when converted - thanks for the quick reponse!

:apple:

frederickfowles
Oct 12, 2008, 02:20 AM
I use Visual Hub and if I use the 5.1 Apple Tv setting the sound will not play on the Apple TV or Mac without extra components so I think the standard setting for Apple TV would be the one to use with VH and MKV files.

mavis
Oct 12, 2008, 03:35 AM
I use Visual Hub and if I use the 5.1 Apple Tv setting the sound will not play on the Apple TV or Mac without extra components so I think the standard setting for Apple TV would be the one to use with VH and MKV files.That's odd, it works fine here ... I just bought my AppleTV a couple days ago but I've already converted a couple of MKVs (one 720p and one 1080p) using VisualHub's "AppleTV 5.1" preset and it worked fine. Although only one of the movies had discreet 5.1 sound - the other was that 4.1 crap that iTMS movies use - must've been a difference in the source.

snowmaan
Oct 12, 2008, 05:21 AM
Guys, two questions:

1. What is a MKV?
2. VisualHub is no longer available - the company shut down, is there anywhere I can get it still??

I have a whole bunch of AVI's I want to convert to watch on my ATV, aghhh

ibglowin
Oct 12, 2008, 07:33 AM
Guys, two questions:

1. What is a MKV?

2. VisualHub is no longer available - the company shut down, is there anywhere I can get it still??



I have a whole bunch of AVI's I want to convert to watch on my ATV, aghhh


1) A container like AVI

2) Bitorrent is your friend...........

RRutter
Oct 12, 2008, 11:27 AM
1) A container like AVI

2) Bitorrent is your friend...........

A cotainer like AVI? No.. It's the symbol for HD. It's an HD movie.

:apple:

Alrescha
Oct 12, 2008, 11:54 AM
A cotainer like AVI? No.. It's the symbol for HD. It's an HD movie.

:apple:

MKV is certainly a container format like AVI and MOV.

A.

RRutter
Oct 12, 2008, 12:10 PM
MKV is certainly a container format like AVI and MOV.

A.

MKV is a HD version of a movie.

:apple:

RRutter
Oct 12, 2008, 12:54 PM
Here is the last logo you'll see on visualhub.app. RIP, visualhub :(

http://i37.tinypic.com/1rypa0.png

:apple:

Alrescha
Oct 12, 2008, 01:18 PM
MKV is a HD version of a movie.

:apple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska

RRutter
Oct 12, 2008, 03:44 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska

I just know that it's the format you get from ripping HD Dvds.

K? Chill buddy..

:apple:

refulgentis
Oct 12, 2008, 03:49 PM
I just know that it's the format you get from ripping HD Dvds.

K? Chill buddy..

:apple:LOL, that's not true at all.
MKV = Matroska = a CONTAINER that will hold a huge variety of video, audio, and subtitle formats. Thanks to the large variety of video codecs that are used in HD-DVD/Blu-ray (MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC, VC-1, etc.) and audio codecs, and also because its royalty free, people who rip HD-DVDs/Blu-rays will tend to use this format.

Cave Man
Oct 12, 2008, 04:09 PM
I just know that it's the format you get from ripping HD Dvds.

K? Chill buddy..

Nope. You are incorrect. MKV is simply a container. I have a few MKV standard def movies, and everyone of my high-def movies are in a container other than MKV, notably MPEG-4 and m2ts (Blu-Ray).

spencers
Oct 12, 2008, 05:25 PM
MKV is a container.

I use Visualhub to convert .mkv to .mov, using the AppleTV 5.1 2.0 setting.
Takes a little bit of time but comes out with very very very similar quality. Only thing I noticed different was the reproduction of blacks--ideally in low light situations was a little weak with the .mov compared to the .mkv. I don't care, as long as my high def movies play on my ATV!

edit: PS- Search before you post.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=334477

Thomss
Oct 12, 2008, 05:31 PM
MKV is a container, not a format.
I've converted some MKV files to .MOV in VH and they still look great.

ibglowin
Oct 13, 2008, 02:42 PM
K?

I just know that it's the format you get from ripping HD Dvds.

K? Chill buddy..

:apple:

Benicio10
Oct 13, 2008, 04:49 PM
I'm thinking of switching to VisualHub's basic AppleTV setting. When I convert to .MOV I can't do artwork through iTunes so I use MetaX, but that program has ruined so many of my files. It crashes a lot.

I want iTunes to be my all-in-one solution. So if i do that MP4's will never have 5.1 audio?

RRutter
Oct 13, 2008, 05:16 PM
I'm thinking of switching to VisualHub's basic AppleTV setting. When I convert to .MOV I can't do artwork through iTunes so I use MetaX, but that program has ruined so many of my files. It crashes a lot.

I want iTunes to be my all-in-one solution. So if i do that MP4's will never have 5.1 audio?

I use the "Apple TV" setting in VisualHub, and use MetaX to add the rating of the move (PG, PG-13, R, etc.) It has never crashed on me.. Weird.

And as for your wondering about converting to Apple TV.. I do for all movies/TV shows, and haven't noticed anything being wrong.

Benicio10
Oct 13, 2008, 05:21 PM
I use the "Apple TV" setting in VisualHub, and use MetaX to add the rating of the move (PG, PG-13, R, etc.) It has never crashed on me.. Weird.

And as for your wondering about converting to Apple TV.. I do for all movies/TV shows, and haven't noticed anything being wrong.

Do you know if I can ever get 5.1 sound without the Apple TV 5.1 preset that converts to .MOV?

Boy I wish iTunes allowed for custom artwork on .mov files. it's a boneheaded design decision.

RRutter
Oct 13, 2008, 05:24 PM
Do you know if I can ever get 5.1 sound without the Apple TV 5.1 preset that converts to .MOV?

Boy I wish iTunes allowed for custom artwork on .mov files. it's a boneheaded design decision.

Yes, it is very dumb - I'm not sure. Just try converting it to the regular Apple TV MP4, and see how she runs. That's what I do..

northy124
Oct 13, 2008, 06:09 PM
Convert MKV (Plus others) to whatever using HandBrake Snapshot Build (http://handbrake.fr/?article=snapshot).

OP MKV is just a container for audio/video in HD or not, there is also MKA the audio only container.

mohanman
Oct 13, 2008, 08:24 PM
I like the handbrakes snap shot better than visual hub, but I've been noticing for the last few movies I converted, none of the appletvs will accept them? Its weird, it keeps saying this kind of file cannnot play on this kind of appletv, even though I haven't changed any of the settings.

Any suggestions?

Edit: Nevermind, I was using the wrong frame rate. Anyway, the handbrake snap shot does much better job than visual hub (my opnion), the blacks are much, much, much better.. no pixeling!

Edit 2: Nevermind, nevermind.. I like handbrake much better, except that it crashes almost with every other conversion!!!

Sucks..

northy124
Oct 14, 2008, 08:50 AM
I like the handbrakes snap shot better than visual hub, but I've been noticing for the last few movies I converted, none of the appletvs will accept them? Its weird, it keeps saying this kind of file cannnot play on this kind of appletv, even though I haven't changed any of the settings.

Any suggestions?

Nevermind, I was using the wrong frame rate. Anyway, the handbrake snap shot does much better job than visual hub (my opnion), the blacks are much, much, much better.. no pixeling!

Nevermind, nevermind.. I like handbrake much better, except that it crashes almost with every other conversion!!!

Sucks..
My god use edit please, bumping a thread within 24 hours (Maybe more) isn't allowed if you were the last poster, correct me if I'm wrong.

It is a Snapshot which doesn't come with support I found the best way to fix it though is to redownload an reinstall it.

RRutter
Oct 14, 2008, 10:19 PM
Convert MKV (Plus others) to whatever using HandBrake Snapshot Build (http://handbrake.fr/?article=snapshot).

OP MKV is just a container for audio/video in HD or not, there is also MKA the audio only container.

I have HandBrake - VisualHub is tons better, because HandBrake took 7 hours just verifying my DVD Rip.

Cave Man
Oct 14, 2008, 10:30 PM
You have a setting off if HB is slower than VH. Unless, of course, you're using xgrid with VH on half a dozen dual-core macs...

northy124
Oct 15, 2008, 03:59 AM
I have HandBrake - VisualHub is tons better, because HandBrake took 7 hours just verifying my DVD Rip.
Your doing something wrong or have a setting on/off you shouldn't, also make sure it is the Snapshot as the Normal one doesn't support these formats yet (To my knowledge).

mohanman
Oct 15, 2008, 06:53 AM
Handbrake still is crashing on me frequently during the conversion process. Unstable software (snap shot)

NightStorm
Oct 15, 2008, 07:46 AM
Handbrake still is crashing on me frequently during the conversion process. Unstable software (snap shot)
Well, have you gone to the Handbrake site and offered an activity/crash log so the developers can look into it? It won't get fixed if it is never reported...

As for Handbrake taking more time, yes it can sometimes... but remember Handbrake is also using better/different filters/settings than VisualHub, and will almost always result in a better-quality encode. If you use IDENTICAL settings, I highly doubt there would be much a difference in speed either way.

RRutter
Oct 15, 2008, 09:21 AM
Your doing something wrong or have a setting on/off you shouldn't, also make sure it is the Snapshot as the Normal one doesn't support these formats yet (To my knowledge).

I just used the handbrake I got on the HandBrake homepage, and it was able to convert to Apple TV.

MovieCutter
Oct 15, 2008, 10:35 AM
MKV is a container.....oh, we've already covered that...<slowly backs out of the thread>

Ol!ver
Oct 15, 2008, 11:51 AM
Has anyone found a way to get DTS audio to something that will work in 5.1 on the ATV?

Cave Man
Oct 15, 2008, 07:52 PM
Has anyone found a way to get DTS audio to something that will work in 5.1 on the ATV?

Sure. Install XBMC on your ATV and it'll handle DTS files just fine.

Volante
Oct 15, 2008, 09:57 PM
What is the "real" max bitrate apple tv will stream correctly? (not counting ff)

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 10:01 PM
What is the "real" max bitrate apple tv will stream correctly? (not counting ff)

Not sure.. Great question. Anyone got an answer? :confused::confused:

Benicio10
Oct 16, 2008, 10:10 PM
i read that handbrake can do 5.1 MP4's so i tried it and it won't accept my MKV files.

says it cannot find source.

is it just not possible to go from MKV to MP4 with 5.1 audio?

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 10:11 PM
i read that handbrake can do 5.1 MP4's so i tried it and it won't accept my MKV files.

says it cannot find source.

is it just not possible to go from MKV to MP4 with 5.1 audio?

No.. I think VisualHub can do it. :D. Nothing is impossible with VisualHub.. Try it.

Benicio10
Oct 16, 2008, 10:15 PM
No.. I think VisualHub can do it. :D. Nothing is impossible with VisualHub.. Try it.

visualhub's apple tv 5.1 preset converts an MKV to a .MOV.

the standard apple tv preset converts to MP4, but has 2.0 audio.

now, when i try to add artwork to my MOV files in metax nothing happens, even after i edit tags manually ... it's a buggy piece of software and i'm trying to avoid it... but i want those movie posters! lol

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 10:19 PM
visualhub's apple tv 5.1 preset converts an MKV to a .MOV.

the standard apple tv preset converts to MP4, but has 2.0 audio.

now, when i try to add artwork to my MOV files in metax nothing happens, even after i edit tags manually ... it's a buggy piece of software and i'm trying to avoid it... but i want those movie posters! lol

Lol yeah. I feel you. I'm totally OCD when it comes to adding the rating, movie poster that iTunes has, and the exact description it has as well :eek: scary, I know.

Benicio10
Oct 16, 2008, 10:30 PM
i took the advice of a few here and tried handbrake's snapshot build...

it finally allows me to use MKV as a source! it reads AC3 audio on an MP4! wow. i might have my solution here. will update.

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 10:33 PM
i took the advice of a few here and tried handbrake's snapshot build...

it finally allows me to use MKV as a source! it reads AC3 audio on an MP4! wow. i might have my solution here. will update.

Yes, the snapshot build is supposed to be much better. But I haven't noticed it very much, because I never use HandBrake, as I believe that VisualHub is TONS better. :p

Cave Man
Oct 16, 2008, 10:36 PM
I never use HandBrake, as I believe that VisualHub is TONS better. :p

If you never use HB, how do you know VH is better?

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 10:38 PM
If you never use HB, how do you know VH is better?

I have HB, use VH now. Used to be a HB addict.

If an admin can, please close the thread? Too much insulting... It's up to the admin though. Please close if you can.

Cave Man
Oct 16, 2008, 10:50 PM
I have HB, use VH now. Used to be a HB addict. Just so you know, you insulting me on my political views is being reported straight to MacRumors admins.

Please try not to make so many statements of fact that are, in fact, not factual. Others who may read what you write may mistake your assertions as fact, and thus lead them to make bad decisions, such as buying a FW drive over an eSATA drive for its speed. OK?

NightStorm
Oct 16, 2008, 10:56 PM
I'm so confused... :confused:

You should also know, its illegal to post full seasons of a TV show on your Youtube account. If that's what you need an encoder to do, by all means use VisualHub... :rolleyes:

Benicio10
Oct 16, 2008, 11:10 PM
I enjoy this thread and RR and CaveMan, u 2 are both excellent.

it's rare to find this kind of passion. let's not take it for granted guys.

i will update on my HB snapshot progress.

RRutter
Oct 16, 2008, 11:20 PM
I'm so confused... :confused:

You should also know, its illegal to post full seasons of a TV show on your Youtube account. If that's what you need an encoder to do, by all means use VisualHub... :rolleyes:

You and this forum makes me giggle. You are both dumb. :D

northy124
Oct 17, 2008, 05:26 AM
I have HB, use VH now. Used to be a HB addict.
Have you tried the snapshot not the 0.9.2 one like I suggested?

I Just so you know, you insulting me on my political views is being reported straight to MacRumors admins.

If an admin can, please close the thread? Too much insulting... It's up to the admin though. Please close if you can.

How is he insulting your political views?

You are both dumb. :D
Now you are one insulting people, I hope ye be banned.

NightStorm
Oct 17, 2008, 07:20 AM
You and this forum makes me giggle. You are both dumb. :D
Wow, I've made a 13 year old mad at me. :eek::eek:

My feelings are truly hurt. Please, don't use Handbrake; we don't want you associated in anyway with the project.

RRutter
Oct 17, 2008, 08:16 AM
Have you tried the snapshot not the 0.9.2 one like I suggested?


How is he insulting your political views?


Now you are one insulting people, I hope ye be banned.

Yes I have tried snapshot and it still sucks.

He is telling me I'm dumb and implying I'm not 'good' at mathematics because I'm all for McCain.

ibglowin
Oct 17, 2008, 08:44 AM
H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): Up to 5 Mbps, Progressive Main Profile (CAVLC) with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps (maximum resolution: 1280 by 720 pixels at 24 fps, 960 by 540 pixels at 30 fps) in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

What is the "real" max bitrate apple tv will stream correctly? (not counting ff)

Volante
Oct 17, 2008, 09:01 AM
I've read that but was wondering if someone had done any testing and found the "sweet spot".

northy124
Oct 17, 2008, 09:01 AM
Yes I have tried snapshot and it still sucks.
OK explain what is wrong we might be able to help.

He is telling me I'm dumb and implying I'm not 'good' at mathematics because I'm all for McCain.
OK but if you elaborated more on the problems you have with HandBrake/VisualHub he might not do that in future.

Benicio10
Oct 17, 2008, 11:02 AM
ok an update! and please guys let's back on course ...

handbrake snapshot converted my MKV with AC3 5.1 audio to an M4V file with AC3 passing thru...

the picture is a kinda pixelated and blocky... and ...

i STILL can't change the artwork through itunes. now i'm baffled! do m4v's also not have the ability to have custom artwork in itunes?

i think i'm going to abandon ship and just go VisualHub standard Apple TV mp4 setting with stereo!

mohanman
Oct 17, 2008, 11:04 AM
I'm going to beat both Visual Hub and Handbrake snap shot by buying Final Cut studio with compressor.. it only costs $1200.00

Volante
Oct 17, 2008, 11:53 AM
ok an update! and please guys let's back on course ...

handbrake snapshot converted my MKV with AC3 5.1 audio to an M4V file with AC3 passing thru...

the picture is a kinda pixelated and blocky... and ...

i STILL can't change the artwork through itunes. now i'm baffled! do m4v's also not have the ability to have custom artwork in itunes?

i think i'm going to abandon ship and just go VisualHub standard Apple TV mp4 setting with stereo!

Did you use a slightly higher video bitrate than the original file?

Benicio10
Oct 17, 2008, 12:24 PM
Did you use a slightly higher video bitrate than the original file?

i used their apple tv setting and didn't touch anything. only changed audio to AC3 passthru.

was there something i needed to change?

northy124
Oct 17, 2008, 12:26 PM
i used their apple tv setting and didn't touch anything. only changed audio to AC3 passthru.

was there something i needed to change?
So what was the Bitrate? Change it to higher or equal to the file your encoding (I have found it keeps it decent without blockiness or pixilation).

Benicio10
Oct 17, 2008, 12:33 PM
So what was the Bitrate? Change it to higher or equal to the file your encoding (I have found it keeps it decent without blockiness or pixilation).

ah i see.. i'll check next time...

however, if i can't put artwork on the m4v that handbrake spits out to me, then there's no point anyway for me.

i don't get why i can't tag these files with artwork?! it's frustrating.

northy124
Oct 17, 2008, 12:50 PM
i don't get why i can't tag these files with artwork?! it's frustrating.
MetaX (http://www.kerstetter.net/page53/page54/page54.html)?

Benicio10
Oct 17, 2008, 01:06 PM
MetaX (http://www.kerstetter.net/page53/page54/page54.html)?

i tag the file in metax and it finishes writing ... i go back to itunes ... the artwork doesn't kick in.

i change a tag to see if it'll initialize (cuz metax is glitchy like that) and nothing happens.

northy124
Oct 17, 2008, 01:20 PM
i tag the file in metax and it finishes writing ... i go back to itunes ... the artwork doesn't kick in.

i change a tag to see if it'll initialize (cuz metax is glitchy like that) and nothing happens.
Because your meant to replace the file in iTunes. You have a Video > Tag it with MetaX > Add to iTunes, that is how you do it.

Jestered
Oct 17, 2008, 01:38 PM
I'm trying this new HB with a .mkv file I haven't been able to get anything to notice as a source. The good news is that the new HB does indeed see it as the source, but trying to encode it HB crashed on me. I'm trying it again now and hopefully it will make it through.

The other thing that concerns me is that during the encoding my fan speeds are at 6,000rpms and are screaming. I don't think I have ever seen my fan speeds that high. Normal?

mohanman
Oct 17, 2008, 03:26 PM
I'm trying this new HB with a .mkv file I haven't been able to get anything to notice as a source. The good news is that the new HB does indeed see it as the source, but trying to encode it HB crashed on me. I'm trying it again now and hopefully it will make it through.

The other thing that concerns me is that during the encoding my fan speeds are at 6,000rpms and are screaming. I don't think I have ever seen my fan speeds that high. Normal?

Try updating your VLC to the latest version. That helped for me, but HB still crashes now and then. Also videos playback with some stuttering in the first few seconds of the video regardless of syncing them to the appletv. I think HB snapshot has a ways to go. I'll be using both visual hub and HB. Visual hub for movies that I don't care about (because fast and easy), and HB for movies I would like the visuals be good. I'm still waiting to purchase compressor though, then I can get rid of both.

Mo

RRutter
Oct 17, 2008, 04:05 PM
OK but if you elaborated more on the problems you have with HandBrake/VisualHub he might not do that in future.

I don't have to "elaborate" on something - no one should be insulting anybody for any reason on this forum.

Jestered
Oct 17, 2008, 04:52 PM
Try updating your VLC to the latest version. That helped for me, but HB still crashes now and then. Also videos playback with some stuttering in the first few seconds of the video regardless of syncing them to the appletv. I think HB snapshot has a ways to go. I'll be using both visual hub and HB. Visual hub for movies that I don't care about (because fast and easy), and HB for movies I would like the visuals be good. I'm still waiting to purchase compressor though, then I can get rid of both.

Mo

Thanks for the info. I had the latest version of VLC already installed. The second encoding finished without any problems. I'm encoding another now and so far so good.

I did sync the first one to my ATV and watched a few minutes of it. I didn't notice any video stutter at all. I'm not sure why that is happening to you, but I didn't experience it at all.

As a side note... people should stop crying in this thread. An other wise great thread, with really good information, is being ruined by a bunch of adolescent behavior. Get over it.

RRutter
Oct 17, 2008, 04:53 PM
Thanks for the info. I had the latest version of VLC already installed. The second encoding finished without any problems. I'm encoding another now and so far so good.

I did sync the first one to my ATV and watched a few minutes of it. I didn't notice any video stutter at all. I'm not sure why that is happening to you, but I didn't experience it at all.

As a side note... people should stop crying in this thread. An other wise great thread, with really good information, is being ruined by a bunch of adolescent behavior. Get over it.

I'm not acting like an adolescent if that's what you're saying (although I am one..) but other people are.

Cave Man
Oct 17, 2008, 10:41 PM
I've read that but was wondering if someone had done any testing and found the "sweet spot".

It will handle more than 6 mbps with AC3. I have four 720p movies at this rate, but there are still some scenes with pixelation.

northy124
Oct 18, 2008, 07:19 AM
I'm not acting like an adolescent (although I am one..)
You just contradicted yourself, how would you know your not acting like one if you haven't reached adulthood? BTW you are acting/being one.

It will handle more than 6 mbps with AC3. I have four 720p movies at this rate, but there are still some scenes with pixelation.
Is that the films or the AppleTV causing the pixillation in some scenes?

Cave Man
Oct 18, 2008, 08:50 AM
Is that the films or the AppleTV causing the pixillation in some scenes?

720p at 6 mbps will have more pixelation than 480p at 6 mbps. My tinkering suggests that for 1080p, 14 mbps gives near Blu-ray quality on those files, and they are in the 10-14 gb range in file size. Of course, those won't even play on an ATV - you'd need a dedicated computer, such as a Mini.

Kilamite
Oct 18, 2008, 09:20 AM
720p at 6 mbps will have more pixelation than 480p at 6 mbps. My tinkering suggests that for 1080p, 14 mbps gives near Blu-ray quality on those files, and they are in the 10-14 gb range in file size. Of course, those won't even play on an ATV - you'd need a dedicated computer, such as a Mini.

A Mac Mini could handle a 1080p file at a bitrate of 14 mbps?

Cave Man
Oct 18, 2008, 10:03 AM
A Mac Mini could handle a 1080p file at a bitrate of 14 mbps?

Sure, as long as you use Plex. It handles my Blu-Ray rips (about 30 mbps) just fine, so long as I don't have any other app running in the background. It even passes DTS digital audio out the optical port to my Onkyo receiver.

Kilamite
Oct 18, 2008, 10:22 AM
Sure, as long as you use Plex. It handles my Blu-Ray rips (about 30 mbps) just fine, so long as I don't have any other app running in the background. It even passes DTS digital audio out the optical port to my Onkyo receiver.

Why would Plex be required? Does it use different decoders to QuickTime?

Dejavu
Oct 18, 2008, 10:25 AM
I'm going to beat both Visual Hub and Handbrake snap shot by buying Final Cut studio with compressor.. it only costs $1200.00

The great thing with Compressor is you can set up QuickClusters and utilize all 8-cores for compressing, like if you have an 8-core Mac Pro. Rips through video like butter.

marklight
Oct 18, 2008, 10:40 AM
I have just scanned over some of these posts, so I'm not exactly sure what's been going on but I'll give some advice and tips I use (which may be redundant).

I use Visualhub to convert MKV's. I first check the original MKV using "mediainfo mac." If the bitrate of the MKV is lower that 6000, (yes 6000) then I'll manually input the same bit rate into Visualhub.

If the bit rate is over 6000, then I'll manually input 6000 into visualhub. I've found 6000 is the "sweet spot." For a 720p file you don't really need to go over that bit rate. Most 1080p MKV are like 9000-10000 so when you're cutting the resolution down to 720, cutting the bit rate to 6000 keeps the file looking good.
I've found that anything less than 5500 starts getting pixelated, and the black levels suffer. All that said, I have been able to encode videos at 6600 and the Apple TV has played them... really nice, but I'm not sure there's really a huge difference bt/w 6000, and 6600... and I'd rather not push the Apple TV too much.


I read that you're having some iTunes issues after tagging. After you run the MKV file through visualhub are you getting out a .mov file (using the 2.0 +5.1 apple tv option). If so, that is probably your tagging issue. You take that .mov file and run it through metax, and then when you bring it into itunes it's blank, correct? If so, all you need to do is rename that file in iTunes, or change its genre, date, whatever, and all of your meta data should magically appear... this is a weird glitch in iTunes.

Cave Man
Oct 18, 2008, 11:03 AM
Why would Plex be required? Does it use different decoders to QuickTime?

Well, QT is really poor at video playback. It cannot even open many of the common file formats, and even if it could it is highly inefficient, with lots of dropped frames. And don't even bother with a file that has a DTS audio track - can't even handle it.

Benicio10
Oct 18, 2008, 12:41 PM
Because your meant to replace the file in iTunes. You have a Video > Tag it with MetaX > Add to iTunes, that is how you do it.

can you eleborate or anyone else chime in?

i have enable itunes plugin checked on, and send to itunes after writing on...

when i look at my itunes movie folder there's no extra file in there ...

i add that file in itunes again and nothing happens ...

not only can i not get artwork, but any metax data.

fkntotalkaos
Oct 18, 2008, 12:49 PM
Guys, two questions:

1. What is a MKV?
2. VisualHub is no longer available - the company shut down, is there anywhere I can get it still??

I have a whole bunch of AVI's I want to convert to watch on my ATV, aghhh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matroska

northy124
Oct 18, 2008, 01:01 PM
can you eleborate or anyone else chime in?

i have enable itunes plugin checked on, and send to itunes after writing on...

when i look at my itunes movie folder there's no extra file in there ...

i add that file in itunes again and nothing happens ...

not only can i not get artwork, but any metax data.

After you have tagged where does the file that you tagged end up? you get that and drag it to iTunes or you can deposit it into the TV Show folder then drag it in.

fkntotalkaos
Oct 18, 2008, 01:07 PM
Yes I have tried snapshot and it still sucks.

He is telling me I'm dumb and implying I'm not 'good' at mathematics because I'm all for McCain.

McCain is a PC:p

Well it has been 1 year for me, and this issue. I posted the same issues last year, without a fix. in comes mac mini, vlc 1tb worth of 720p Blue Ray rips but no front end for Itunes like display of movies and artwork, sigh :(. Apple Tv has been reduced to play back of youtube, and has been used 5 times. So I will be dumping my apple TV soon, and crossing my fingers for an update of XMBC/PLEX

northy124
Oct 18, 2008, 01:10 PM
McCain is a PC:p
True oh so very true, Obama for President (He's a Mac).

Benicio10
Oct 18, 2008, 02:41 PM
After you have tagged where does the file that you tagged end up? you get that and drag it to iTunes or you can deposit it into the TV Show folder then drag it in.

I tried everything. There's a thread in this forum about itunes 8.0.1 possibly taking away our ability to metax tag .mov files in itunes.

sux

northy124
Oct 18, 2008, 02:45 PM
I tried everything. There's a thread in this forum about itunes 8.0.1 possibly taking away our ability to metax tag .mov files in itunes.

sux
Your using .Mov (Wasted my time:mad:), this thread was about MKV to MP4 but if your using .Mov it won't work until Apple sort it out.

mohanman
Oct 18, 2008, 10:03 PM
Your using .Mov (Wasted my time:mad:), this thread was about MKV to MP4 but if your using .Mov it won't work until Apple sort it out.

I dont know what problems you guys are having with movs.. they work great in appletv. Just convert the mkv, then use metax. If it still doesn't show up right in itunes, try renaming the movie name in itunes.. working fine for me for the past several months.
Mo

RRutter
Oct 18, 2008, 10:50 PM
I dont know what problems you guys are having with movs.. they work great in appletv. Just convert the mkv, then use metax. If it still doesn't show up right in itunes, try renaming the movie name in itunes.. working fine for me for the past several months.
Mo

You can't add the Artwork for the movie, etc. to a .mov file, correct me if I'm wrong?

northy124
Oct 19, 2008, 05:26 AM
You can't add the Artwork for the movie, etc. to a .mov file, correct me if I'm wrong?
Yes you can, I had a couple of .Movs awhile ago and they had Artwork got rid of them now though, prefer MP4.

RRutter
Oct 19, 2008, 09:36 AM
Ah yes I thought so.. I've never really worked with .MOV's, they seem gross. :D