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iphonehead
Oct 17, 2008, 07:48 PM
I have a corporate iPhone 3g. Can my employer track what web sites I visit? Can they read my text messages?



Big-TDI-Guy
Oct 17, 2008, 07:51 PM
Yes - and likely even legally! Avoid all that tempting donkey-human interaction media. At least, until you're at home on your own computer with your own interweb connection. :)

PoitNarf
Oct 17, 2008, 08:02 PM
Text messages? Only if they have physical access to the device.

Websites? Yes, but only if you go through your employers network or are VPN'd into work on the iPhone. When you're on a network not managed by your employer they can't monitor what sites you're going to.

Good practice is to always leave the personal stuff off of your work phone or computer.

iphonehead
Oct 17, 2008, 08:10 PM
Text messages? Only if they have physical access to the device.

Websites? Yes, but only if you go through your employers network or are VPN'd into work on the iPhone. When you're on a network not managed by your employer they can't monitor what sites you're going to.

Good practice is to always leave the personal stuff off of your work phone or computer.

I don't work in an office. All my browsing is done on 3g network or my home network. I'm not sure what VPN is. I don't put personal things on the device. However I'm concerned about my privacy while browsing.

iMetalG5
Oct 17, 2008, 08:39 PM
V=Virtual
P=Private
N=Network

meaning you are connected to your company's network. The company I work for has an IT security dept. but they have better things to do than play big bro. Can they do it, of course, will they? nah. there is red tape to get permission to "spy" on an employee, you'd have to be doing some really bad things. It goes through Concerned Manager -----> HR -----> Internal Investigations -----> IT Security -----> Internal Investigations ----> HR

so to play it safe NEVER use your companies network for personal things. sure surf the web at work, do some banking, check stocks, emails but the thing is don't do anything you don't mind letting the world to see/know.

PoitNarf
Oct 17, 2008, 08:55 PM
I don't work in an office. All my browsing is done on 3g network or my home network. I'm not sure what VPN is. I don't put personal things on the device. However I'm concerned about my privacy while browsing.

You should be fine, they have no way of remotely reading data that is only stored on your iPhone.

Small White Car
Oct 17, 2008, 09:51 PM
You should be fine, they have no way of remotely reading data that is only stored on your iPhone.

Yes, but since it's their device they have every right to show up tomorrow and say "give me the phone" and "what's the passcode?"

I mean, is it likely? I dunno. But they have the right to do it.

Opie
Oct 17, 2008, 10:37 PM
Just delete them right after clean up.

veeco3110
Oct 17, 2008, 11:05 PM
too much p*rnhub ayyyy haha

PoitNarf
Oct 17, 2008, 11:08 PM
Yes, but since it's their device they have every right to show up tomorrow and say "give me the phone" and "what's the passcode?"

I mean, is it likely? I dunno. But they have the right to do it.

Absolutely. It all goes back to this though, don't use a company owned phone or computer with any data that anyone has potential privacy concerns about.

wackymacky
Oct 17, 2008, 11:21 PM
What is your concen? What are you doing? Looking for a new job or something.

Jokes aside.

Within the wireless network they know exactly what you're looking at.

Outside that your cellular data goes though the cell providers APN server.

Given your boss is paying, I'm sure the telco will provide it for them if they wanted. But why would they.

calvy
Oct 18, 2008, 01:30 AM
V=Virtual
P=Private
N=Network

meaning you are connected to your company's network. The company I work for has an IT security dept. but they have better things to do than play big bro. Can they do it, of course, will they? nah. there is red tape to get permission to "spy" on an employee, you'd have to be doing some really bad things. It goes through Concerned Manager -----> HR -----> Internal Investigations -----> IT Security -----> Internal Investigations ----> HR

so to play it safe NEVER use your companies network for personal things. sure surf the web at work, do some banking, check stocks, emails but the thing is don't do anything you don't mind letting the world to see/know.

I disagree with this. There's no red tape involved where I work. If you are using a company owned asset on company property on company time, you have no right to privacy. Then again, I do work at AT&T.

And to the OP, the bottom line is that your iPhone is a company owned asset that is provided to you for your job functions. Legally, they have every right to monitor it and watch what you are doing on it. However, technically, you'd have to be going through their network for them to monitor it. If you are going over 3g or your wifi connection at home, don't worry about. However, don't go through a VPN or otherwise company owned network to your favorite porn site unless you want the IT department and president(s) all knowing about it. And if they have phsyical access to it, just make sure you delete any texts or safari history you don't want them to see.

firewood
Oct 18, 2008, 03:14 AM
I have a corporate iPhone 3g. Can my employer track what web sites I visit? Can they read my text messages?

Depends on whether you use the companies network, how bad they want the information, and/or whether any serious criminal activity is suspected.

If you use the companies wifi or VPN, everything is probably already logged on their servers.

If they want it bad enough, they can have computer forensics experts take apart your (actually their) iPhone, remove the flash chip(s) from the circuit board, and suck out contents of all the files, even partially erased browser cache files, internal logs, and the like.

If you use the cell phone network, it might be possible to have the phone company tap SMS and cell data, given a court subpoena, depending on the country in which you're located.

And if you have a jailbroken iPhone, they could have installed a back door app relaying information back to them.

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iphonehead
Oct 18, 2008, 06:17 AM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

Compile 'em all
Oct 18, 2008, 06:23 AM
If you are on 3G or your personal network you should be fine. unless they physically have access to the device.

LDB
Oct 18, 2008, 06:57 AM
Don't do anything you know you shouldn't and you'll be fine. If you even wonder about doing it for a second then you know you shouldn't be doing it.

wackymacky
Oct 19, 2008, 02:43 AM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

At least you're honest.

Don't look at these sites connected to your companies wireless connection.
If the data is coming in via a proxy it likely knows the URL's you're going to. There is likely NO WAY you can justify your self to your boss.

They might not say anything now, but it may just slip into your HR file for latter use.


If your really can't help yourself maybe use a program like teleport to connect to your home computer, then let your home computers browser do the dirty work. Make sure you create a VPN bewteen your iPhone and home computer to tunnel your data.

This should be safe as the URLs/Cookies etc will on your home computer.

(I guess this presumes there is no one at home that you don't want to know what you're upto.)

Remember most companies consider using there nextwork for looking at this kind of stuff serious misconduct.

skubish
Oct 19, 2008, 07:40 AM
Text messages? Only if they have physical access to the device.

Websites? Yes, but only if you go through your employers network or are VPN'd into work on the iPhone. When you're on a network not managed by your employer they can't monitor what sites you're going to.

Good practice is to always leave the personal stuff off of your work phone or computer.

Wrong on the text messages. They can get access to them thru your cellular carrier. Just ask Kwame Kilpatrick (ex-mayor of Detroit)

gnasher729
Oct 19, 2008, 08:03 AM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

That is something I would not do on a work phone. Ask yourself: What is the worst that can happen? I'd say worst case is out of a job without a reference.

Inukami
Oct 19, 2008, 10:24 AM
websites you visit gets pinged as IPs on w/e machine they use to check that stuff. So yeah all they have to do is type in w/e you visited xD

markgamber
Oct 19, 2008, 10:43 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't go visiting any pr0n sites on a company phone BUT, on the other hand, I would think that if you were going thru a vpn or something where they could directly monitor you, you probably wouldn't be able to access said pr0n site in the first place. I've heard of people getting busted for watching pr0n using company equipment but I never heard of companies running stings to catch employees. Unless, of course, that company is the gub'ment. Anyway, keep the pr0n off the phone and you won't have any problems. How great could it possibly be on that tiny screen, anyway?

barkomatic
Oct 19, 2008, 11:25 AM
Some IT people *do* monitor what web sites you visit. I had a job about 10 years ago where the guy approached me about the websites I was on. Luckily, no porn but some dating sites and non-work related stuff. :) He was kind of a jerk and no one really liked him. I visited the sites on my lunch break mostly but since then my personal practice is to never used any work owned device for personal reasons. I never got in trouble or anything but people *do* monitor stuff like that--I think mostly for their own fun. I have separate phones and computers. I don't even use my personal devices on my organizations wireless network.

I know it sounds nutty, but if I were you I'd get a separate phone for yourself. I've had more than a few friends called into offices to explain a record of personal calls. The whole idea of "corporate phones" and whatnot just encourages a blur between personal and work life which I don't like at all.

PowerFullMac
Oct 19, 2008, 11:40 AM
My advice would be to only watch pr0n when connected to a WiFi hotspot.

bredell
Oct 19, 2008, 03:57 PM
This entire discussion is of course highly dependent on where you are, different countries have different laws. Here in Sweden, and I think most of Europe, the employer is not allowed to do any monitoring of an employee's personal information unless the employer has explicitly said that he will do such monitoring. The employer also must have a very good reason for doing this. Doing this kind of monitoring of employees is very uncommon and regulated by very strict laws. There have been a few incidents published by media where an employer had had to pay damages to an employee for reading that person's private email or checking web logs. This is true even if the email in question was sent to the person's work account using equipment owner by the employer.

milani
Oct 19, 2008, 04:01 PM
I have a corporate iPhone 3g. Can my employer track what web sites I visit? Can they read my text messages?

Yes and if your employer gave you the phone (and you live in North America) chances are they already are. But that shouldn't be surprising to you. You're computer usage is already monitored, I'm sure, so there is no reason your smart phone would be any different.

PowerFullMac
Oct 19, 2008, 04:06 PM
Yes and if your employer gave you the phone (and you live in North America) chances are they already are. But that shouldn't be surprising to you. You're computer usage is already monitored, I'm sure, so there is no reason your smart phone would be any different.

America reminds me of China sometimes...

CocoaPuffs
Oct 20, 2008, 03:16 AM
America reminds me of China sometimes...
How? You are oblivious if you think Big Brother isn't watching.

CocoaPuffs
Oct 20, 2008, 03:19 AM
This entire discussion is of course highly dependent on where you are, different countries have different laws. Here in Sweden, and I think most of Europe, the employer is not allowed to do any monitoring of an employee's personal information unless the employer has explicitly said that he will do such monitoring. The employer also must have a very good reason for doing this. Doing this kind of monitoring of employees is very uncommon and regulated by very strict laws. There have been a few incidents published by media where an employer had had to pay damages to an employee for reading that person's private email or checking web logs. This is true even if the email in question was sent to the person's work account using equipment owner by the employer.
These kind of laws make little sense...If you can't understand the difference between business and personal, then you probably shouldn't be working.

theevilone
Oct 20, 2008, 04:52 AM
the iphone saves everthing pictures, text, all the company has to do is go to O'Reillymedia.com and buy the iphone forensics software, same as the police use to check ipods and iphones.

SnowLeopard2008
Oct 20, 2008, 05:04 AM
Makes me wonder what kind of stuff hes looking at and how worried he is about his employer finding out. :D:D:D

PowerFullMac
Oct 20, 2008, 06:01 AM
How? You are oblivious if you think Big Brother isn't watching.

Because you expect to be monitored!

Plus, all your phone calls are monitored!

In a country which claims to be the home of free speech! :eek:

CocoaPuffs
Oct 20, 2008, 12:14 PM
Because you expect to be monitored!

Plus, all your phone calls are monitored!

In a country which claims to be the home of free speech! :eek:
You, my friend, is utterly confused. We're talking about business equipment here, not personal.

PowerFullMac
Oct 20, 2008, 12:16 PM
You, my friend, is utterly confused. We're talking about business equipment here, not personal.

I'm talking about stuff in general, read my posts in this page.

Big-TDI-Guy
Oct 20, 2008, 11:17 PM
Trust me - this is NOT paranoid thinking, this is fact: Everything is or can be recorded / intercepted. Be it land-line, cellular, email, text message, secure web session, IM or even snail mail. Everything.

I had to go through training and this was pounded into my head before being granted my clearance.

iPhone3GHunt
Oct 20, 2008, 11:32 PM
So my parents can see what sites I go I ? I go on. Sites thru a wireless router.

backwithblack
Oct 21, 2008, 12:33 AM
Wrong on the text messages. They can get access to them thru your cellular carrier. Just ask Kwame Kilpatrick (ex-mayor of Detroit)

I think Kilpatrick was using a different type of device that was designed to store the messages on a separate server because he was a public servant.

milani
Oct 21, 2008, 12:50 AM
America reminds me of China sometimes...

We're talking about businesses monitoring their staff while on the company clock, using company issued devices. That's hardly comparable to China, where you aren't even allowed to access an unrestricted Google (at home or at work), and are probably subject to the most stringent monitoring systems in the world.

rockymtdevil
Aug 1, 2010, 08:13 PM
I have a personal Iphone that I connect to my work's email via exchange and sink to the iphone, can my employer view what sites I visit on the Iphone via a 3g network?

kernkraft
Aug 1, 2010, 08:17 PM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

That is a very good reason to sack anybody. Do not visit adult sites at work! In fact, I wouldn't even use anything else that is likely to be unrelated to work. Forget Facebook, YouTube, forget personal emails. That's what your 3G connection, your smart phone and your breaks are for.

rockymtdevil
Aug 1, 2010, 08:21 PM
If I have a personal Iphone that I get my work email on, can my employer know what sites I visit via a 3G network?

Bill Gates
Aug 1, 2010, 09:01 PM
If I have a personal Iphone that I get my work email on, can my employer know what sites I visit via a 3G network?
No.

apprunner
Aug 1, 2010, 09:02 PM
If I have a personal Iphone that I get my work email on, can my employer know what sites I visit via a 3G network?

No. If you aren't connected through a VPN, they can't see you.

rockymtdevil
Aug 1, 2010, 09:24 PM
What is a VPN?

Bill Gates
Aug 1, 2010, 09:27 PM
What is a VPN?
Virtual Private Network. If you have to ask, you're probably not using one.

Syk
Aug 1, 2010, 09:31 PM
That is a very good reason to sack anybody. Do not visit adult sites at work! In fact, I wouldn't even use anything else that is likely to be unrelated to work. Forget Facebook, YouTube, forget personal emails. That's what your 3G connection, your smart phone and your breaks are for.

I think he's using the company's phone, not sure he has his own but for the most part I agree with this. I'm the IT guy so I control the firewall at work:D and we're pretty laid back for the most part, I can view Corp firewall logs and they can view mine but like I said we're pretty laid back. That being said I tend to use my 3G connection and mywi for tethering when I'm at work and want to check things. I rather keep my personal info off the companies network if possible. We use Verizon and I can get a company phone and get a Droid X or Incredible if I so choose. I turned it down and just get my company mail on my iPhone. The main reason I turned it down is HR keeps up with the phones and I know at one time HR was talking to the Verizon rep about tracking the phones of the sales guys. No thanks I'll pass on being kept up with

To be honest I won't even use open wifi hotspots at hotels. I tether and use my 3G connection. If my not so techie cousin can use tools off the internet to snoop on people when he's at hotels using wifi, then as far as I'm concerned anyone can.

illutionz
Aug 1, 2010, 10:02 PM
Because you expect to be monitored!

Plus, all your phone calls are monitored!

In a country which claims to be the home of free speech! :eek:

Free Speech is one thing but using company property for non work related stuff is another....

rockymtdevil
Aug 1, 2010, 10:36 PM
My iPhone says VPN not configured. I take it I am safe?

cocky jeremy
Aug 1, 2010, 10:36 PM
Moral of the story: Don't take a company phone. lol. Buy an iPhone yourself and look at whatever you want.

bunnicula
Aug 1, 2010, 10:55 PM
Moral of the story: Don't take a company phone. lol. Buy an iPhone yourself and look at whatever you want.

This.

illutionz
Aug 1, 2010, 10:57 PM
Moral of the story: Don't take a company phone. lol. Buy an iPhone yourself and look at whatever you want.

Or 2 phones? :p

Tulsa
Aug 1, 2010, 11:10 PM
It's your companies phone, be a professional and wait until you get home to venture into the seedier side of life. Then you only have your wife, significant other, or whatever to worry about.

Learjet035
Aug 1, 2010, 11:35 PM
Some of you aren't getting it.

I'm dealing with the same thing.

I have my own iPhone, but just found out that I'll be getting a company iPhone here very shortly. I will not be carrying around 2 phones and I have no choice in the matter of carrying the company phone.

So, my text to my GF after work, or on the weekends are now legally allowed to be monitored?

I get that when at work I can't surf porn on company computers.
I get that when I am working, and using the company phone I should be using it for work, but phones are by nature very personal so I think we should have privacy when it comes to company phones to some degree.

Phi4sius
Aug 1, 2010, 11:36 PM
Anyone who visits XXX sites on work computers anyway deserves to be fired and their stupidity handed to them on a silver platter.

Learjet035
Aug 2, 2010, 04:56 AM
Anyone who visits XXX sites on work computers anyway deserves to be fired and their stupidity handed to them on a silver platter.

Once again... Missing the op's point completely.
Thanks for the great input

John T
Aug 2, 2010, 05:40 AM
Surely a "Company" iPhone is provided to employees to be used for Company business - just like a Company car.

However, the majority of companies have no objection to their cars being used out of working hours for "Reasonable private usage", I should imagine the same premise would be applied to Company 'phones.

Understandably, there are always some people who try to abuse the system!

scaredpoet
Aug 2, 2010, 07:35 AM
So, my text to my GF after work, or on the weekends are now legally allowed to be monitored?

From a legal context: it depends. For now.

There was a recent Supreme Court decision (early June of 2010, in fact) (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15321616?source=most_emailed&nclick_check=1) that said if you are a public servant using a device owned by your employer, then yes, your text messages and traffic CAN be monitored and retrieved by that public agency that owns the equipment you're using, even after hours, IF the search "was motivated by a legitimate work-related purpose" and "not excessive in scope." A reasonable suspicion by the public employer that you might be surfing for porn, or running up the phone bill by texting your significant other more than you text co-workers and business contacts, counts as a legit motivation.

However, that ruling applies to public, government and quasi-government agencies. The question has not been specifically answered yet when it comes to the private sector.

BUT... if I were to have to place my bets on where such a case would go, I would play it safe and assume that if the Supreme Court had to answer the question some day (and it very well might), it would say the same thing about private companies.



I get that when at work I can't surf porn on company computers.
I get that when I am working, and using the company phone I should be using it for work, but phones are by nature very personal


They are very personal when you are paying for your phone and service. They are not so much when your employer is paying for it. The presumed expectation is that your employer isn't just paying for your phone out of the goodness of its heart, and that it expects you're using that phone for work purposes. The common reasoning that employers give for such monitoring is that they want to be certain you're not using resources they pay for to conduct activities that don't benefit them (or may even be detrimental to them).

I have my own iPhone, but just found out that I'll be getting a company iPhone here very shortly. I will not be carrying around 2 phones and I have no choice in the matter of carrying the company phone.

It's unfortunate that they aren't giving you the choice to not carry their iPhone. However, if you don't want there to be ANY question about whether your boss can read your texts to your gf, then you're going to need to keep carrying your personal iPhone, and use ONLY it for your personal communications.

Learjet035
Aug 2, 2010, 07:42 AM
Thanks for that link.

Seems like such a grey area.

To throw another wrench into the mix, I've heard that we may now be responsible for paying for half of the phone bill.
Strange I know, but then if I'm paying half for it, then who's phone is it?

Better to play it safe I know, but no one is perfect, and I don't want to have to worry every time I open or send an email on the company phone.

John T
Aug 2, 2010, 08:30 AM
I've heard that we may now be responsible for paying for half of the phone bill.


That's obviously to go towards your personal use :)

cello2456
Aug 2, 2010, 08:35 AM
Making you pay for half of a phone bill that you did not ask to have does not seem right. After all, you already have a cell phone and a cell phone contract. My husband has a work cell phone, and he just has to carry two phones during working hours. Something else to look into is the cost of texting your girlfriend. My husbands company (and it's a big one) does not get any of the package type deals as the phones are on corporate accounts. That means that they pay per minute and per text for phone usage.

GoCubsGo
Aug 2, 2010, 08:38 AM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

Your company likely issued the phone that is also attached to a company IT policy. You should reacquaint yourself with that and understand your rights. In the US I guarantee you that they have every right to take that phone at any point. Whether they can figure out that your rubbing one out while watching porn on their phone is another story. I doubt they'd be able to find out if you cleared your history and cache. They could dig around but companies don't usually have the manpower to truly dig into a phone like that unless there is cause.

If you're old enough to be issued a phone by your company then you're old enough to know that you should be using the phone for work and not for whacking off.

olhipy
Oct 19, 2010, 09:10 PM
I have another permutation of this, and would appreciate feedback.

My employer, a state agency, does not have a WiFi network. I've always been cautious on web use, and have a clean record, so to speak. Recently I was in a long meeting held in a conference room there where the moderator had permission to use a WiFi router during the meeting. I had my personal iPhone and actually used it on the WiFi to research some creative mobile web designs, purpose of the meeting.

By mid afternoon I was zoning out, and started looking at other web sites. I did not realize that I had not disconnected from the WiFi, thinking I was on my own 3G. You can see where this is going.

Actually, I did not go to any XXX sites, the worst was Backpage where, off and on, I became somewhat fascinated by the adult ads, prowling around the various ads for dominatrixes, escorts, and massage parlors.

All of a sudden, I realized the WiFi symbol was showing, and now I'm worried I'm in trouble. My bad, I know. But, nevertheless, may I ask:

- I think they use some software that checks against bad sites; is Backpage likely to be one that's flagged?
- I think they may use IP address from the filter s/w and enter it to go look at the accessed page(s); would that still return a specific page viewed on Backpage some days or weeks after the fact!
- Can they tell it was an iPhone?
- Can they tell it was MY personal iPhone?

Finally, what would YOU do under the circumstances? Go to the IT security guy and throw yourself on his mercy?

Thanks!

GoCubsGo
Oct 19, 2010, 09:29 PM
^ Update that resume of yours pronto.

PhelpsiPhan
Oct 19, 2010, 09:38 PM
If you need to ask yourself that question, maybe you shouldnt be looking at what you are looking at.....lol

Rodimus Prime
Oct 19, 2010, 10:04 PM
I disagree with this. There's no red tape involved where I work. If you are using a company owned asset on company property on company time, you have no right to privacy. Then again, I do work at AT&T.

And to the OP, the bottom line is that your iPhone is a company owned asset that is provided to you for your job functions. Legally, they have every right to monitor it and watch what you are doing on it. However, technically, you'd have to be going through their network for them to monitor it. If you are going over 3g or your wifi connection at home, don't worry about. However, don't go through a VPN or otherwise company owned network to your favorite porn site unless you want the IT department and president(s) all knowing about it. And if they have phsyical access to it, just make sure you delete any texts or safari history you don't want them to see.


I think he is talking about internal red tape. No legal red tape.

Can they spy yes. Now is IT security going to do it. More than likely not because it is more trouble than it is worth to go threw the internal red tape to get permission to do it.

It not something they really like to do to often because when it is done it really pissed employees off.
I know at work I had some personal emails that were sent to me and ones I sent out. Nothing that I would really care if the company saw.

Examples of personal emails was bill pay reminders, bible study group emails, email to and from my parents asking them for something I need or want to know. But anything I really would not want someone else reading that sure has hell went threw my personal account.

Pretty much everything just needs to be with in reason and they are not going to care.

Rodimus Prime
Oct 19, 2010, 10:50 PM
I have another permutation of this, and would appreciate feedback.

My employer, a state agency, does not have a WiFi network. I've always been cautious on web use, and have a clean record, so to speak. Recently I was in a long meeting held in a conference room there where the moderator had permission to use a WiFi router during the meeting. I had my personal iPhone and actually used it on the WiFi to research some creative mobile web designs, purpose of the meeting.

By mid afternoon I was zoning out, and started looking at other web sites. I did not realize that I had not disconnected from the WiFi, thinking I was on my own 3G. You can see where this is going.

Actually, I did not go to any XXX sites, the worst was Backpage where, off and on, I became somewhat fascinated by the adult ads, prowling around the various ads for dominatrixes, escorts, and massage parlors.

All of a sudden, I realized the WiFi symbol was showing, and now I'm worried I'm in trouble. My bad, I know. But, nevertheless, may I ask:

- I think they use some software that checks against bad sites; is Backpage likely to be one that's flagged?
- I think they may use IP address from the filter s/w and enter it to go look at the accessed page(s); would that still return a specific page viewed on Backpage some days or weeks after the fact!
- Can they tell it was an iPhone?
- Can they tell it was MY personal iPhone?

Finally, what would YOU do under the circumstances? Go to the IT security guy and throw yourself on his mercy?

Thanks!

If I was you I would say nothing and assume they never find out.

Chances are really good that they are not monitor web usage that heavy. It is a hell of a lot more trouble than it is worth. The only time it really is done is if somebody is doing something bad and it raises other red flags.

Remember they have more important things to do with their time than to find someone surfing around on the net including looking at porn.
Also they can not trace it back any farther than the wifi router as they did not control that router.

Geckotek
Oct 19, 2010, 11:27 PM
Text messages? Only if they have physical access to the device.

Websites? Yes, but only if you go through your employers network or are VPN'd into work on the iPhone. When you're on a network not managed by your employer they can't monitor what sites you're going to.

Good practice is to always leave the personal stuff off of your work phone or computer.

Not true, if the phone is on their corporate account, they can call the carrier and get a report of all the texts.

V=Virtual
P=Private
N=Network

meaning you are connected to your company's network. The company I work for has an IT security dept. but they have better things to do than play big bro. Can they do it, of course, will they? nah. there is red tape to get permission to "spy" on an employee, you'd have to be doing some really bad things. It goes through Concerned Manager -----> HR -----> Internal Investigations -----> IT Security -----> Internal Investigations ----> HR

so to play it safe NEVER use your companies network for personal things. sure surf the web at work, do some banking, check stocks, emails but the thing is don't do anything you don't mind letting the world to see/know.

You make a lot of assumptions and it's typically not this bad. I've been in some companies where there's no red tape, I'm currently in a large company where there was no red tape, but being the messaging admin, I'm adding 1 level of red tape (HR must provide permission). Before I req'd this, anybody could ask and get access to whatever they wanted.

Absolutely. It all goes back to this though, don't use a company owned phone or computer with any data that anyone has potential privacy concerns about.

EXACTLY!

I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

Seriously?! Keep it in your pants till you get home and have your home computer to whack off to. WOW.

SydneyJunkie
Oct 20, 2010, 12:35 AM
I'm not doing anything illegal or criminal. I just occasionally check out a xxx site.

a 3.5 inch screen? I cant fap to this

huskers015
Mar 16, 2011, 06:07 PM
So I have been reading these replies and I don't know that I have a definitive answer yet.

My company iPhone is my work iPhone...not by choice (yes, I know I could go get another phone).

I never ever connect through Wifi or VPN, only through the 3G network.

My question is, is my work somehow able to see what applications I have on my phone or what kind of content is sent either over these applications or through general text messaging?

Ccrew
Mar 16, 2011, 06:57 PM
So I have been reading these replies and I don't know that I have a definitive answer yet.

My company iPhone is my work iPhone...not by choice (yes, I know I could go get another phone).

I never ever connect through Wifi or VPN, only through the 3G network.

My question is, is my work somehow able to see what applications I have on my phone or what kind of content is sent either over these applications or through general text messaging?


The correct answer is... maybe. I could if I chose to.

So, since everyone's here speculating about what IT may or may not, or can do I'l tell you since I'm lead IT engineer for a company you would all recognize.
You have a company issued phone:
I have a copy of every email sent and received from your device in perpetuity. Your company mailbox too..
If you use a company network I can track your every click. I can get your data usage from our provider for 3G
I can get your text records at will.
I maintain database logs of all call's you've made and their duration
I have a full inventory of what's on your phone, and can lock it or brick it at will.
I can GPS track your location if I need to.
That's just for starters.

Now that said, I have no qualms with doing any of it if asked by HR or Security, and I get those requests on occasion. It's OUR phone, you're just using it, therefore any data that moves across it is ours to do with what we please. Do I peruse that data randomly? Heck no. I could give a rats behind what you do with it unless I'm asked by a higher authority to supply the info at which time I do. And there's nothing illegal about it in the US.

Interstella5555
Mar 16, 2011, 07:50 PM
I disagree with this. There's no red tape involved where I work. If you are using a company owned asset on company property on company time, you have no right to privacy. Then again, I do work at AT&T.

And to the OP, the bottom line is that your iPhone is a company owned asset that is provided to you for your job functions. Legally, they have every right to monitor it and watch what you are doing on it. However, technically, you'd have to be going through their network for them to monitor it. If you are going over 3g or your wifi connection at home, don't worry about. However, don't go through a VPN or otherwise company owned network to your favorite porn site unless you want the IT department and president(s) all knowing about it. And if they have phsyical access to it, just make sure you delete any texts or safari history you don't want them to see.

This. If you want to screw around on company time, at least do it on your own phone.

Interstella5555
Mar 16, 2011, 07:56 PM
Your company likely issued the phone that is also attached to a company IT policy. You should reacquaint yourself with that and understand your rights. In the US I guarantee you that they have every right to take that phone at any point. Whether they can figure out that your rubbing one out while watching porn on their phone is another story. I doubt they'd be able to find out if you cleared your history and cache. They could dig around but companies don't usually have the manpower to truly dig into a phone like that unless there is cause.

If you're old enough to be issued a phone by your company then you're old enough to know that you should be using the phone for work and not for whacking off.

Seriously. I'm not going to be pretend I've never gotten my rocks off at work, but I use this thing we had when I was a kid called "imagination." Try it out sometime, no one but you can track it and you don't have to worry about getting fired for doing something stupid with company assets. Would you look at porn on your work computer? The phone is just an extension of that.

huskers015
Mar 17, 2011, 01:15 PM
Thanks for the reply CCrew. I do not ever use the companies network for anything. I am always connected through my carrier, At&T, on the 3G. Is what you are saying STILL the case?


The correct answer is... maybe. I could if I chose to.

So, since everyone's here speculating about what IT may or may not, or can do I'l tell you since I'm lead IT engineer for a company you would all recognize.
You have a company issued phone:
I have a copy of every email sent and received from your device in perpetuity. Your company mailbox too..
If you use a company network I can track your every click. I can get your data usage from our provider for 3G
I can get your text records at will.
I maintain database logs of all call's you've made and their duration
I have a full inventory of what's on your phone, and can lock it or brick it at will.
I can GPS track your location if I need to.
That's just for starters.

Now that said, I have no qualms with doing any of it if asked by HR or Security, and I get those requests on occasion. It's OUR phone, you're just using it, therefore any data that moves across it is ours to do with what we please. Do I peruse that data randomly? Heck no. I could give a rats behind what you do with it unless I'm asked by a higher authority to supply the info at which time I do. And there's nothing illegal about it in the US.

heisenberg123
Mar 17, 2011, 01:27 PM
i watch porn daily including on my iphone but like others say its not worth it on work property

err404
Mar 17, 2011, 01:44 PM
Finally, what would YOU do under the circumstances? Go to the IT security guy and throw yourself on his mercy?

Thanks!

I've worked for some large corps in the past. In general if IT catches you it's a slap on the wrist, but if there is an HR complaint, you're out. I assume that you didn't get caught ;).

BTW - if a device is managed via the Enterprise Deployment Tool, IT could have much more visibility into what your doing.

Ccrew
Mar 17, 2011, 03:01 PM
Thanks for the reply CCrew. I do not ever use the companies network for anything. I am always connected through my carrier, At&T, on the 3G. Is what you are saying STILL the case?


It's still the case if I need to take it to that level, yes. Keep in mind here, I have like 900 company phones in the field. If I call (Sprint in our case) and tell them I need all traffic data for a particular phone, I can get it.

But like err404 said. I'm not looking for it. But if there's a complaint of any kind you can bet that data is available. So - if HR gets a complaint, if there's any sort of official investigation, if you boss get's a hard on and is looking for an excuse to fire you then that data is out there.

Like the others have said really, it's a company phone, so treat it like you would a company car or a company credit card. Use it for what it's meant for. No one's going to bust you for looking at a dating site last Thursday, but a lot of things cross the line into workplace issues anymore so just don't be stupid about it. Ask yourself is it that important to risk your job?

b166er
Mar 17, 2011, 03:19 PM
where I work, we have a big brother system that can see everything you do on the computers, fax machines, cell phones, etc. It's one of those things where you know they are not always watching, but you know they could be at any moment. They can also take control of a device for tech support purposes.

Fear will keep the local systems in line.

err404
Mar 17, 2011, 03:46 PM
where I work, we have a big brother system that can see everything you do on the computers, fax machines, cell phones, etc. It's one of those things where you know they are not always watching, but you know they could be at any moment. They can also take control of a device for tech support purposes.

Fear will keep the local systems in line.

That's precisely why I asked whether his phone was provision via the Enterprise Deployment Tool.

vincenz
Mar 17, 2011, 03:50 PM
Looking at naughty things during company time? :cool:

Sedrick
Mar 17, 2011, 03:53 PM
Depends how much time your IT department has on it's hands. If they've got a guy just sitting around, they might have him running reports on all internet activity (it happens).

lsvtecjohn3
Mar 17, 2011, 05:08 PM
just delete them right after clean up.

lmao!!!!!!

mantan
Mar 17, 2011, 07:51 PM
Just to explain the company side of things. I've handled these investigations in the course of my job with a major corporation.

The concern from a company standpoint almost always stems around legal exposure. If you are using a company device to do something that violates company policy (surfing porn, cyber stalking your ex, etc) , their main concern is THEIR legal exposure should something happen.

If you are surfing porn on a company phone off the clock and showing p0rnhub videos at happy hour and a coworker complains, there can potentially be a harassment claim filed against you AND the company for providing the means to do it.

To be consistent, they are going to come down pretty hard on the use of company materials for those things, mostly to be consistent.

That doesn't mean they are going on a witch hunt. As someone said earlier, there are way too many internet records, phone logs and email history for anybody to even want to start going through. But if someone decides to, the information is there.

Most companies have internet filters that block a lot of stuff out. Many companies, like mine, occasionally run keyword searches of internet history looking for specific words. A few years ago we ran one that was designed to search for potential child pornography, but as a byproduct came up with a lot of people who were accessing adult porn that had gotten through the filter. A whole bunch of them got fired. Others saw demotions and rating impacts. (Obviously this was laptop/desktop access not through a smartphone.)

The lesson I learned is when in doubt, DON'T do it on your company device. Even though my company pays for my blackberry and allows reasonable personal usage, I bought my own separate device. (Ironically I ported my work number to the personal device as I have plenty of minutes to manage work calls and all my friends and family used that number.)

I'd rather pay the extra money out of pocket for a device than worry about big brother.

robbor
Aug 31, 2011, 10:19 AM
Hello not to beat a dead horse but I have a serious question.
OK I am in the military and I am currently staying at a military hotel the hotel offers free WIFI service to the guests. I think you know where this is going. OK so being that it is a civilian company offering the WIFI (Sprint ) and I am using my own personal lap top ( Not GOVT property) Can I view what I want to? Thank you for your input

Geckotek
Aug 31, 2011, 02:03 PM
Nobody can answer that question with 100% certainty. Even if the service provider is Sprint, whoever owns the local side (the router) could be looking at everything you do.

Unless you are on an encrypted connection (lock symbol in the address bar) assume that everything you are doing could be viewed by somebody somewhere.

Airforcekid
Aug 31, 2011, 02:22 PM
Hello not to beat a dead horse but I have a serious question.
OK I am in the military and I am currently staying at a military hotel the hotel offers free WIFI service to the guests. I think you know where this is going. OK so being that it is a civilian company offering the WIFI (Sprint ) and I am using my own personal lap top ( Not GOVT property) Can I view what I want to? Thank you for your input

I know awhile ago the US military was not allowed to view wikileaks. Other than that I still suggest a good VPN such as witopia or at least a free solution such as HotSpot Shield. You could also look into TOR but that is slightly harder to set up.

If you go with hotspotshield use firefox and an adblocker.

Shockwave78
Aug 31, 2011, 02:34 PM
unrelated to phones, but what about a company laptop? I am taking mine on a training thing i have to go for in a couple weeks. I know they track everything at work when i am connected to there network. But how about when I am on like a hotels WIFI or like, pretty much i should just have to delete the cookies/cache right? and im all set?

robbor
Aug 31, 2011, 03:07 PM
I know awhile ago the US military was not allowed to view wikileaks. Other than that I still suggest a good VPN such as witopia or at least a free solution such as HotSpot Shield. You could also look into TOR but that is slightly harder to set up.

If you go with hotspotshield use firefox and an adblocker.

Not sure what a hot spot shield is. I have an alternative though. I have a hot spot (MIFI) from my cell carrier that I can use to look at " educational " videos. I have never heard of them tracking the the Free WIFI of guests at hotels but you never know. :)

Geckotek
Aug 31, 2011, 03:34 PM
unrelated to phones, but what about a company laptop? I am taking mine on a training thing i have to go for in a couple weeks. I know they track everything at work when i am connected to there network. But how about when I am on like a hotels WIFI or like, pretty much i should just have to delete the cookies/cache right? and im all set?

They could have local software installed taking screen shots and tracking everything you do and you would never know.

It all depends on the solution your company employs.

My suggestion, if you want to do personal things on a PC, use a personaly owned device. End of story.

techcurious
Dec 14, 2011, 03:49 AM
Not to beat a dead horse but I was on break and visited a xxx site on my personal phone. I noticed I was signed in as a guest, no password required just hit accept to join wifi, can they identify my personal phone and phone number?

Edit was already on from earlier use. Yes I know dumb move, thought I wasn't on wifi.

Interstella5555
Dec 14, 2011, 08:57 AM
Not to beat a dead horse but I was on break and visited a xxx site on my personal phone. I noticed I was signed in as a guest, no password required just hit accept to join wifi, can they identify my personal phone and phone number?

Edit was already on from earlier use. Yes I know dumb move, thought I wasn't on wifi.

In my understanding, not in a way that you need to worry about. Yes, they can see that a device is accessing a porn site, but without a log-in, it's just a device on the network, and they shouldn't be able to pull a phone number from the data. Of course, this depends on how big your office is, how many people were on the guest account while you were accessing the site, etc.

andyx3x
Dec 14, 2011, 09:31 AM
I'm sorry but if you are accessing porn sites on an iPhone, you are pretty much a pathetic human being. For the love of god, at least wait until you get home to use a regular computer.

spaghetti head
Dec 14, 2011, 10:40 AM
I'm sorry but if you are accessing porn sites on an iPhone, you are pretty much a pathetic human being. For the love of god, at least wait until you get home to use a regular computer.

So if you do it at home in your Mom's basement, on a desk top, this somehow makes you less pathetic?

icewing
Dec 14, 2011, 02:45 PM
^ This.

Didn't see anyone point this out too strongly - but don't do it during working hours. A former co-worker started surfing it more and more throughout the day, it started becoming a productivity issue, they they started looking at his logs...

If the company is paying you to work, then work. Do what you want on YOUR time.

scaredpoet
Dec 14, 2011, 03:24 PM
Not to beat a dead horse but I was on break and visited a xxx site on my personal phone. I noticed I was signed in as a guest, no password required just hit accept to join wifi, can they identify my personal phone and phone number?

If the IT department or management at your location is committed enough, knows what they're doing, and keeps logs, then yes they can identify your phone.

Your web usage isn't identified by phone number, but each device does have a unique MAC address (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address). That address is used to make sure the right traffic goes to the right device... basically, to make sure that the porn you loaded up goes to your phone and not, say, the boss's desktop.

Of course, it can also be used to find out who loaded up what, if the IT department where you work is smart enough. Only your phone has that MAC address, so by association, it identifies you.

(Note to techies: yes MAC addresses can be spoofed, but I have my doubts the OP had the foresight to do this.)

Hihohihohiho
Mar 26, 2013, 07:13 PM
I work at a small company 30 employees with about 45-100 people using the wireless network connection. We have 1 IT guy. I read a very graphic short story on my personal I phone at work. Will i get in trouble?

EW800
Mar 26, 2013, 08:20 PM
Hello,

I saw this thread and am hoping to find out what others think in regard to my situation - meaning what my IT Department can see.

I have the iPhone 5. It is my device - I own it. My employer had me put in my e-mail address and a password and if I recall a domain address so that my corporate e-mail's will go to the device. I am always on Verizons network or my home WIFI, never on a VPN or any employers wifi.

I know they can see everything as far as my work e-mail, but just wondering under these circumstances what else. Can they see all visited web traffic? Anything with texts or iMessages?

Thanks!

Mrbobb
Mar 26, 2013, 08:38 PM
I work at a small company 30 employees with about 45-100 people using the wireless network connection. We have 1 IT guy. I read a very graphic short story on my personal I phone at work. Will i get in trouble?

Keep resume updated. :rolleyes:

bushman4
Mar 26, 2013, 10:39 PM
Good possibility. Why take a chance.

chux
Oct 17, 2013, 12:16 PM
Most of the replies in this thread are not helpful. In a possible moment of weakness or even stupidity, someone, who has already committed the act, (and even admitting it was not wise), asks what their employer can or cannot see. Most of the replies here are telling the poster, "don't do it at work" or, "don't do it on a work phone". The obvious is being stated over and over without adding to the discussion. If you don't have an answer to the question, keep your moralizing to yourself.

EvilQueen
Oct 17, 2013, 12:25 PM
Text messages? Only if they have physical access to the device.


This is not true for some carriers. I can log into my Verizon account and see every text message sent and received and even send text messages from my computer through there. I messed with the hubby once by sending him text messages from himself to himself. :D

Geckotek
Oct 17, 2013, 12:30 PM
Most of the replies in this thread are not helpful. In a possible moment of weakness or even stupidity, someone, who has already committed the act, (and even admitting it was not wise), asks what their employer can or cannot see. Most of the replies here are telling the poster, "don't do it at work" or, "don't do it on a work phone". The obvious is being stated over and over without adding to the discussion. If you don't have an answer to the question, keep your moralizing to yourself.

And what exactly did you add to the discussion that was 2 years old?

jpine
Oct 17, 2013, 12:31 PM
I'll just reiterate what most are saying here. Don't do your personal stuff on a company phone. Period.

scaredpoet
Oct 17, 2013, 01:54 PM
Most of the replies in this thread are not helpful. In a possible moment of weakness or even stupidity, someone, who has already committed the act, (and even admitting it was not wise), asks what their employer can or cannot see. Most of the replies here are telling the poster, "don't do it at work" or, "don't do it on a work phone". The obvious is being stated over and over without adding to the discussion. If you don't have an answer to the question, keep your moralizing to yourself.

No, the responses have been VERY helpful. In multiple ways, you've been told: an employer who owns the device and owns the network you view your inappropriate material on could very well find out, and take action. Some organizations have the right ratio of IT people to other employees that they can doggedly seek out people who do this, very quickly. Others will store the data, and run searches on it later. Still others don't want to know and don't care, but they might be forced to if you bring attention to yourself... and THEN they'll do their investigation. Just because you're not caught right away doesn't mean you won't ever be caught.

It has nothing do with moralizing: if you surf porn at work, even in a "moment of weakness," then there could be consequences and you need to be prepared to face them. It's your boss's morals you need to be worried about, not ours.