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skunk
Oct 26, 2008, 08:21 PM
First there's this:
October 27, 2008
In Pakistan, the United States Shifts Tactics

By MARK MAZZETTI and ERIC SCHMITT
WASHINGTON — The White House has backed away from using American commandos for further ground raids into Pakistan after furious complaints from its government, relying instead on an intensifying campaign of airstrikes by the Central Intelligence Agency against militants in the Pakistani mountains.

According to American and Pakistani officials, attacks by remotely piloted Predator aircraft have increased sharply in frequency and scope in the past three months. Through Sunday, there were at least 18 Predator strikes since the beginning of August, some deep inside Pakistan’s tribal areas, compared with 5 strikes during the first seven months of 2008.

At the same time, however, officials said that relying on airstrikes alone, the United States would be unable to weaken Al Qaeda’s grip in the tribal areas permanently. Within the government, advocates of the ground raids have argued that only by sending Special Operations forces into Pakistan can the United States successfully capture suspected operatives and interrogate them for information about top Qaeda leaders.

The decision to focus on an intensified Predator campaign using Hellfire missiles appears to reflect dwindling options on the part of the White House for striking a blow against Al Qaeda in the Bush administration’s waning days.

After months of debate within the administration and mounting frustration over Pakistan’s failure to carry out more aggressive counterterrorism operations, President Bush finally gave his approval in July for ground missions inside Pakistan. But the only American ground mission known to have taken place was a Special Operations raid on Sept. 3, in which the roughly two dozen people killed included some civilians. American officials say there has not been another commando operation since.

American officials acknowledge that following the Sept. 3 raid they were surprised by the intensity of the Pakistani response, which included an unannounced visit to Washington, three weeks after the incursion, by the country’s national security adviser, Mahmud Ali Durrani. He registered his anger in person with top White House officials, including Stephen J. Hadley, Mr. Bush’s national security adviser.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/washington/27intel.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all

Then there's this:
'US troops' strike inside Syria

US helicopter-borne troops have carried out a raid inside Syria along the Iraqi border, killing eight people including four children, Syrian officials say.

The official Syrian news agency Sana said the raid took place in the Abu Kamal border area, in eastern Syria.

It said that American soldiers on four helicopters had stormed a building under construction on Sunday night.

The US says it is investigating. It has previously accused Syria of allowing foreign militants into Iraq.

Syria has summoned the US and Iraqi envoys in Damascus to protest at the raid.

"Syria condemns this aggressive act and holds American forces responsible for this aggression and all of its repercussions," a government official said.

If confirmed, the raid would be the first known attack by US forces inside Syrian territory, says BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus.

Its timing is curious, coming right at the end of the Bush administration's period of office and at a moment when many of America's European allies - like Britain and France - are trying to broaden their ties with Damascus, our correspondent adds.

Crossing point

"Four American helicopters violated Syrian airspace around 1645 local time [1345 GMT] on Sunday," Sana said.

"American soldiers" emerged from helicopters and "attacked a civilian building under construction and opened fire on workers inside - including the wife of the building guard - leading to [the deaths] of eight civilians", it added.

"The helicopters then left Syrian territory towards Iraqi territory," Sana said.

The dead include a man, his four children and a married couple, the Syrian report said, without giving details of the children's ages.

The village was named as Sukkiraya, 8km (5 miles) from the Iraqi border.

A US military spokesman was unable to confirm or deny the reports, saying it was a "developing situation".

But later the Associated Press news agency quoted an unnamed US military official in Washington as saying that American special forces had attacked foreign fighters linked to al-Qaeda.

"We are taking matters into our own hands," the official said.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7692153.stm

Looks like Bush wants to "spread the death around". We don't see no stinking border.



solvs
Oct 26, 2008, 08:48 PM
I just saw that and posted it in my thread no one else reads with a billion other links with similar info.

Bush is going out with a bang isn't he.

skunk
Oct 26, 2008, 08:53 PM
I just saw that and posted it in my thread no one else reads with a billion other links with similar info.

Bush is going out with a bang isn't he.Indeed. Maybe he's pissed off at having missed the chance to screw with Iran.

I did read some of your quotes, but I'm afraid we're all going to come down with "Link Fatigue" at the rate you're posting them.

Peterkro
Oct 26, 2008, 08:59 PM
I just saw that and posted it in my thread no one else reads with a billion other links with similar info.

Bush is going out with a bang isn't he.

I do read quite a few of your links solvs and appreciate you posting them,however I think after years of this crap going on you get to a point where it's all pretty predictable and unfortunately as your implying those that would benefit from reading them probably don't.

solvs
Oct 26, 2008, 09:15 PM
I know, I was just being self effacing. I think that's the right term. Even I've got a little fatigue from it, I'll admit. It does get tiresome. But it's still happening, and paints a damning picture. I hope Obama does something with this mess, or even can at this point. At least it would be better than staying the course to an unattainable victory.

Thank you for posting a new thread on this skunk, and if it doesn't push things a little more into Obama's camp if it gets play in the MSM, I don't know what else could.


I can only assume the Bush administration is aware they're no longer getting their 3rd term, and are giving it one more fustercluck for someone else to try to deal with.