Joe the Plumber - What a Jackass

[rdowns]

Even FOX News agrees.

Link with video (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith-forced_n_138674.html)

The rest of it -- man...some things--it just gets frightening sometimes.

[Blue Velvet]

Blue Velvet the Moderator agrees. He's another one, like Sarah Palin, with a way inflated view of their place in the scheme of things and their own abilities. His fifteen minutes of fame are just about up. Let's seem him write his book and run for Congress.

[aethelbert]

The sad part about this crap is that the media actually decided to start following this guy, giving him a false impression of his level of importance. Anyone who agrees with Joe here is a tad scary.

note to self: never ask a question to a politician when cameras are around

[rdowns]

While this idiot has some inflated opinion of where he stands in all of this, you also have to blame McCain. McCain is the one who made him an issue and continues to do so. Serves him right to have him say something so stupid.

[abijnk]

While this idiot has some inflated opinion of where he stands in all of this, you also have to blame McCain. McCain is the one who made him an issue and continues to do so. Serves him right to have him say something so stupid.

McCain keeps saying in his stump speeches that the Obama campaign has attacked Joe and that Joe didn't ask to be put into this political spotlight, but, unless I was watching the wrong debate, McCain drug him into this. Otherwise he would have been a blip on the evening news and that would have been it.

[rdowns]

Every time I hear McCain say that, I yell at the TV. Pisses me off.

[IJ Reilly]

Joe should shut his pipes already.

[skunk]

What was the source of the leak about him anyway? Best to let the furore die a natural death: you don't want to faucet.

[IJ Reilly]

What a drip.

[skunk]

We should washer hands of him, but it'll be a bit of a wrench to let him go.

[IJ Reilly]

Don't in valve me.

[kavika411]

For the record, calling out a non-public figure as "a jackass" on MacRumors Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum is now fair game. We'll add that to the "did she fake a sexual assault" and "how much can a female politician spend on clothes and makeup" to the Open Season.

[abijnk]

Blue!! Blue?!! Blue Velvet?? Where did you go?! Skunk and IJ are doing it again!
BTW, this is a joke meant in an "I'm telling mommy" kind of way.
For the record, calling out a non-public figure as "a jackass" on MacRumors Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum is fair game. We'll add that to the "did she fake a sexual assault" and "how much can a female politician spend on clothes and makeup" to the Open Season.

He is now campaigning for McCain, so he's not exactly a "non-public" figure...

[TheAnswer]

Blue!! Blue?!! Blue Velvet?? Where did you go?! Skunk and IJ are doing it again!

It's easier if you just go with the flow (http://plumbing.1800anytyme.com/info/plumbing_glossary.php).

[abijnk]

It's easier if you just go with the flow (http://plumbing.1800anytyme.com/info/plumbing_glossary.php).

Oh no! We've lost another one to the dark side! :D

[BoyBach]

I think we've found the 2012 running mate for Gov. Palin'. ;)

[That-Is-Bull]

McCain keeps saying in his stump speeches that the Obama campaign has attacked Joe and that Joe didn't ask to be put into this political spotlight, but, unless I was watching the wrong debate, McCain drug him into this. Otherwise he would have been a blip on the evening news and that would have been it.

Obama said "Joe the plumber" four times during the debate.

McCain said "Joe the plumber" twenty-four times during the debate, and continues to talk about him in his speeches and commercials.

Shame on you, Obama.

[Counterfit]

Joe should shut his pipes already.

He can't, he's not licensed! :D

[Abstract]

Joe the Plumber is an idiot. He bases his opinion on his feelings at the time he speaks, and doesn't base his opinion on any sort of real information.

The fact that even Fox News is now saying that the figurehead used by McCain to represent the American people is "scary" speaks volumes about McCain's continued use of him as a prop. It's not working, and he should go home.

[rdowns]

Oh no! We've lost another one to the dark side! :D

Sadly, we've lost many there.

[pseudobrit]

For the record, calling out a non-public figure as "a jackass" on MacRumors Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum is now fair game. We'll add that to the "did she fake a sexual assault" and "how much can a female politician spend on clothes and makeup" to the Open Season.

I've seen some meager reasoning for mock outrage before, but this is pretty lame.

Don't in valve me.

I wouldn't sweat it.

[IJ Reilly]

I wouldn't sweat it.

I'm feeling kind of drained anyway.

[gauchogolfer]

Looks like it's time for me to pipe up in this thread.

[fivepoint]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

[IJ Reilly]

Looks like it's time for me to pipe up in this thread.

Sewer you going to start now too?

[Clive At Five]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

They're too involved in their Obama pipe-dream. ;)

(Two... er... three can partake in the plumbing vocab pun game)

-Clive

[Abstract]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

What substance?

[rdowns]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

Substance? Are you effin kidding me? Obama has staunchly supported Israel throughout the campaign. On what basis did JT Plumber make this comment?

This is Sarah Palin redux. McCain made this guy the focal point of his campaign without even looking into him. His initial question to Obama was a crock as he is nowhere near able to buy the plumbing company he works for. He has no license, owes back taxes and from listening to him in his interviews, is a man of no substance.

just want to make this 100 percent perfectly clear -- Barack Obama has said and demonstrated repeatedly that Israel will always be a friend of the United States, no matter what happens once he becomes President of the United States. His words. The rest of it -- man...some things--it just gets frightening sometimes. We'll be right back

[IJ Reilly]

The irony of this situation is that Joe appears to be the embodiment of the completely deceived voter.

[hulugu]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

And, his mother wears combat boots.

[yoppie]

What substance?

Give the guy a break. He's surrounded by the brown smelly stuff all day, sooner or later he's bound to spit up a few pieces.

[MacNut]

This thread is gut wrenching to read. Somebody should flush it out.

[patrick0brien]

I'll take the plunge...

My plumbing on Joe is this: "Lions don't need to roar", and "It is better to look like a fool, than open your mouth and confirm it"

The rooter of my point? Let the man speak, nobody should be trying, or telling him to plug his hole. At least we'll see one man's opinion. At worse, he'll clog himself, at best, he'll say something that make people think.

I've done plenty of traveling and acknowledge most people - as individuals - are pretty smart. Let the man speak, it's up to us to listen or not.

(I count 5)

[Blue Velvet]

Please. Make teh stupid stop.

After reports that he was writing a book and thinking of running for Congress, he's now:

being pursued for a major record deal and could come out with a country album as early as Inauguration Day.

On Tuesday, Wurzelbacher joined country music artist and producer Aaron Tippin to form a new partnership that includes booking-management firm Bobby Roberts and publicity-management concern The Press Office to field the multiple media offers he’s received over the past few weeks.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15072.html

:rolleyes:

[IJ Reilly]

I'm sorry pal, your fifteen minutes are up.

[rdowns]

<crazy *****>

Guess that McCain cabinet position isn't looking too good.

[Blue Velvet]

Guess that McCain cabinet position isn't looking too good.

I guess there's always Big Celebrity Survivor Idol Brother Island.

[rdowns]

I guess there's always Big Celebrity Survivor Idol Brother Island.

More likely, Celebrity Rehab.

[mactastic]

Please. Make teh stupid stop.

After reports that he was writing a book and thinking of running for Congress, he's now:





http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15072.html

:rolleyes:
Bwaaahahahaaahahahahhhaaaaa.... too funny. A country singer? Why, that would almost seem like he's seeking celebrity status. And we all know how awful being a celebrity is...

[skunk]

Would he be a lead vocalist?

[Peterkro]

Would he be a lead vocalist?

It would be a terrible waste if he was.

[skunk]

Might tap his true potential. You never know.

[63dot]

I'm sorry pal, your fifteen minutes are up.

Joe duped as all. Tonight while driving home, I turn on ABC News Radio and I find he's a wanna be celebrity who was never a plumber after all. It's probably like Larry the Cable Guy, who is really a world class comedian. I think Joe can and will make it as 1) the all time con man of 2008, and 2) a Nashville star due to his infamous impersonation as a plumber.

As famous as he is, nobody can ever recall seeing him come over to their house to do any plumbing. He's a folk hero, urban legend like Forrest Gump.

[Aranince]

The point isn't Joe the Plumber. Its that Obama is a socialist who wants to spread the wealth. Whining about who Joe is, is just ignoring the issue.

[63dot]

The point isn't Joe the Plumber. Its that Obama is a socialist who wants to spread the wealth. Whining about who Joe is, is just ignoring the issue.

Here's what is interesting and making me start to change my mind and possibly vote Green Party.

Obama's Democratic convention stage was designed by the same people who makes Britney Spears' concert stages (Zeitgeist, the movie online). And Joe the Plumber is actually a singer, by some accounts a very talented backup singer unknown to country music fans, but known in the industry, but has Toby Keith and the Dixie Chicks' attorneys on retainer (ABC News, Fox News).

When third party Libertarians, American Independents, Independents, or Green Party people call the Democrats and Republicans media whores, I find myself starting to believe it.

So on one side you have Britney Spears' stage company, and on the other hand, you have high powered music industry power brokers.

Man, I am feeling a bit disillusioned at this moment. What has major party American politics turned into?

[Counterfit]

Please. Make teh stupid stop.

They ignored you! BAN THEM! BAAAAAN THEEEMM!










Pretty please? :o

[skunk]

They ignored you! BAN THEM! BAAAAAN THEEEMM!I don't think it was the punfest BV was talking about.

[IJ Reilly]

I don't think it was the punfest BV was talking about.

But can you be certain?

[Blue Velvet]

Man, I am feeling a bit disillusioned at this moment. What has major party American politics turned into?


I read last night that about $1.5 billion has been spent, redistributed if you will, on this election. Which sounds staggering and utterly wasteful except that apparently Americans spend about $4 billion a year on pornography.

A four-yearly exercise in democracy is quite cheap in that context.

[IJ Reilly]

I read last night that about $1.5 billion has been spent, redistributed if you will, on this election. Which sounds staggering and utterly wasteful except that apparently Americans spend about $4 billion a year on pornography.

A four-yearly exercise in democracy is quite cheap in that context.

That's about $50 per capita.

By comparison, Ireland's per household spending on alcohol is €1,675.

[63dot]

I read last night that about $1.5 billion has been spent, redistributed if you will, on this election. Which sounds staggering and utterly wasteful except that apparently Americans spend about $4 billion a year on pornography.

A four-yearly exercise in democracy is quite cheap in that context.

I could also say that American's spend more on gas, food, rent, and probably Nintendo/x-box/playstation, but our political system and expensive campaigns still sound over the top to me.

More people on the street are talking about Joe the plumber than a certain unnamed Alaska government official who is corrupt and could potentially still send Palin to Washington DC as a Senator. I don't want Palin anywhere near D.C.The stock market is in rollercoaster mode and people are more into Joe the plumber, or should I say fake plumber.

[Blue Velvet]

More Joe the Plumber laughs:

From earlier today at a McCain campaign event.
Youtube, 20 second clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w)

Someone's taken a powder. :D

Does this sound like a candidate and campaign that is winning?

[63dot]

More Joe the Plumber laughs:

From earlier today at a McCain campaign event.
Youtube, 20 second clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w)

Someone's taken a powder. :D

Does this sound like a candidate and campaign that is winning?

I can't wait to see how MadTV and Bobby Lee are going to treat this one. :)

[beatzfreak]

More Joe the Plumber laughs:

From earlier today at a McCain campaign event.
Youtube, 20 second clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w)

Someone's taken a powder. :D

Does this sound like a candidate and campaign that is winning?

Too funny.

So now that JTP is well on his way to becoming a Country Music Star/Author/Congressman, he doesn't need McCain any more.

[rdowns]

I'm a little confused. He said he wanted to buy the plumbing company he works for. He has spent the last 2 weeks making the media rounds and attending campaign events. Just who is unclogging the toilets in Ohio?

Does he even have a job?

[BoyBach]

Too funny.

So now that JTP is well on his way to becoming a Country Music Star/Author/Congressman, he doesn't need McCain any more.


Yep. It looks like Sam 'Joe the Plumber' Wurzelbacher has played McCain like a banjo!

[63dot]

I'm a little confused. He said he wanted to buy the plumbing company he works for. He has spent the last 2 weeks making the media rounds and attending campaign events. Just who is unclogging the toilets in Ohio?

Does he even have a job?

Joe's a contractor and as for buying the company he works for, he never made an offer. As to his $250K salary, he made $40K, which would be a person who benefits under Obama's tax plan (MSNBC)

Joe is working his 15 minutes of fame

And his name is not Joe, it's Sam :)

[beatzfreak]

Yep. It looks like Sam 'Joe the Plumber' Wurzelbacher has played McCain like a banjo!

Oh no, here we go again.

McCain is probably wishing he hadn't fiddled with this guy.

[63dot]

Oh no, here we go again.

McCain is probably wishing he hadn't fiddled with this guy.

There is a certain woman John McCain wished he had stayed away from. ;)

I am sure he dreams of what could have been if he had chosen Huckabee or Romney or Giuliani.

[skunk]

Oh no, here we go again.

McCain is probably wishing he hadn't fiddled with this guy.He'll probably be fretting about it right up to election day.

[IJ Reilly]

He'll probably be fretting about it right up to election day.

He can go pluck himself.

[yoppie]

More Joe the Plumber laughs:

From earlier today at a McCain campaign event.
Youtube, 20 second clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1TT7gt5F0w)

Someone's taken a powder. :D

Does this sound like a candidate and campaign that is winning?

LOL. Too funny.

I guess they didn't confirm that Joe wasn't in attendance.

[abijnk]

I'm a little confused. He said he wanted to buy the plumbing company he works for. He has spent the last 2 weeks making the media rounds and attending campaign events. Just who is unclogging the toilets in Ohio?

Does he even have a job?

Probably not, seeing as how he admitted (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gJsPHiQlgYvAsrHz9mvHJlezQJLwD93RONUO0) to not even having a license...

[emw]

guess they didn't confirm that Joe wasn't in attendance.He's just stringing them along.

The point isn't Joe the Plumber. Its that Obama is a socialist who wants to spread the wealth. Whining about who Joe is, is just ignoring the issue.
Focusing on one "spread the wealth" comment as opposed to researching Obama's tax plan as well as understanding the progressive tax already in place is misinterpreting the issue.

[rdowns]

Not only was JT Plumber a no-show (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx)....

so were any supporters. Oops.

A local school district official confirmed after the event that of the 6,000 people estimated by the fire marshal to be in attendance this morning, more than 4,000 were bused in from schools in the area. The entire 2,500-student Defiance School District was in attendance, the official said, in addition to at least three other schools from neighboring districts, one of which sent 14 buses.

[Peace]

Not only was JT Plumber a no-show (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/30/1616435.aspx)....

so were any supporters. Oops.

Is that implying school children were forced to attend a political rally ?

That's a big no-no.

[IJ Reilly]

I thought Republicans were against forced bussing.

[rdowns]

I guess it's McCain's new re-edumication plan. I hope he didn't get all wigged out when he was speaking and scare any of the kids.

I thought Republicans were against forced bussing.

I think the Reps. are just fine with that.

The Reps. are against busing though. ;)

[Counterfit]

Man, I am feeling a bit disillusioned at this moment. What has major party American politics turned into?
It's certainly not what it used to be, and I mean that in a GOOD way. Prior to the late 19th century, parties ran the elections, ballots were made by the parties, and voters were registered by the parties. The entire system was so corrupt, that some counties had 105% voter turnout.
The came the Progressive reformers, who pushed for personal registration, official ballots, civil service reform (*cough*Palin*cough*), and primaries.
By comparison, Ireland's per household spending on alcohol is €1,675.
That little?
And his name is not Joe, it's Sam :)

I'm getting tired of this one. His middle name is Joseph, so he can go by Joe all the **** he wants.

[atszyman]

OK, we've definitely crossed the line now.

The Joe the Plumber phenomenon was predicted in 1993 by of all sources The Onion (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48940).

Of course they did it with a forklift driver but they got Ohio right. We've definitely need to work on our politics when we're pulling our plays from the place that's mocking our politicians.

[Anuba]

I could also say that American's spend more on gas, food, rent, and probably Nintendo/x-box/playstation, but our political system and expensive campaigns still sound over the top to me.
Well, it's not like the campaign money has gone into a black hole. It goes straight back out into the bloodflow. For TV networks that are worried about having to cancel shows and cut jobs due to a huge drop in advertising revenue, the 30-minute Obamercial (not to mention all the usual 30-second ads for both camps) was a godsend. All these people who design and print ballots, McCain/Palin signs and buttons, T-shirts etc are American workers who consume goods and services and pay taxes. It's all good.

[IJ Reilly]

I think the Reps. are just fine with that.

The Reps. are against busing though. ;)

I was wondering if anyone would catch that!

[TBi]

By comparison, Ireland's per household spending on alcohol is €1,675.
That little?

I think he means "per-month" :)

[IJ Reilly]

I think he means "per-month" :)

I'm reasonably certain that this wasn't the "per day" figure.

FWIW, according to the articles I've read, the Irish aren't actually the highest per capita consumers of alcohol -- just the largest spenders, because they do most of their drinking in pubs.

[TBi]

FWIW, according to the articles I've read, the Irish aren't actually the highest per capita consumers of alcohol -- just the largest spenders, because they do most of their drinking in pubs.

Not to mention that we have some of the most expensive beer prices, in pubs or in off-licenses (liquor stores :)).

It's about €4.50 for a pint here which is about double the cost in a pub on the continent. Don't get me started on wine...

I remember reading a poster over a urinal (keeping a little on topic...) in L.A. which said
We don't sell beer, we only lease it.

[Counterfit]

I think he means "per-month" :)
I know, it seems low. :p
FWIW, according to the articles I've read, the Irish aren't actually the highest per capita consumers of alcohol -- just the largest spenders, because they do most of their drinking in pubs.

According to The Economist (by proxy (http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=23826)), Luxembourg leads Ireland and Hungary.

[IJ Reilly]

I remember reading a poster over a urinal (keeping a little on topic...) in L.A. which said

I've seen that one. Possibly the very same one.

I'm resisting the temptation to tell some of my Irish drink jokes, if only because they'd be way off topic (and I suppose could offend).

[63dot]

I'm getting tired of this one. His middle name is Joseph, so he can go by Joe all the **** he wants.

I doublechecked that one, you are right. My bad. I got my info from a Fox news clip on youtube.com.

I also heard the "Sam" thing repeatedly on ABC news radio. I think I should go by my middle name, tiger, which it translates to from Okinawan, and it may make me a great golffer ;)

[Lord Blackadder]

Just who is unclogging the toilets in Ohio?

Ah, I see you've never been to Toledo, Joe the Not Really a Plumber's home town...

The correct answer is: nobody. Can't you smell?

Today McCain has said that, should he win, Joe the Not Really a Plumber will be going "with [him] to Washington"

In case you can't see, my hair is standing on end, and not because of halloween.

Since when has this fool (who has a publicist, doesn't pay his taxes, and is pursuing book deals) represented blue-collar, everyman?

[63dot]

Ah, I see you've never been to Toledo, Joe the Not Really a Plumber's home town...

The correct answer is: nobody. Can't you smell?

Today McCain has said that, should he win, Joe the Not Really a Plumber will be going "with [him] to Washington"

In case you can't see, my hair is standing on end, and not because of halloween.

Since when has this fool (who has a publicist, doesn't pay his taxes, and is pursuing book deals) represented blue-collar, everyman?


Actually George W Bush represents the blue-collar everyman. He has a very typical American upbringing like just about anybody you would find on the street.

[NT1440]

Ah, I see you've never been to Toledo, Joe the Not Really a Plumber's home town...

The correct answer is: nobody. Can't you smell?


Lol theres a reason for the expression "holy toledo!"

[Blue Velvet]

Actually George W Bush represents the blue-collar everyman. He has a very typical American upbringing like just about anybody you would find on the street.

Er, I hope you're being sarcastic. :D

[rdowns]

I just saw McCain call him a real American hero as he introduced him at a rally today. This is sick.

[Blue Velvet]

I just saw McCain call him a real American hero as he introduced him at a rally today. This is sick.

Only three days to go till election day and then the end of this endless stream of McCain crap. FiveThirtyEight's projection just moved to a 2.8% chance of a McCain victory with some brutal state polling out today. Counting the hours...

[abijnk]

...and it may make me a great golffer ;)

Perhaps, though I am afraid your spellings skill will remain somewhat lacking. :p

If silly season started a couple weeks ago then what is this? Completely effing mad season?

[IJ Reilly]

If silly season started a couple weeks ago then what is this? Completely effing mad season?

Pretty much, yes. This weekend is going to be crazy, especially in the states where the campaigns are making their final pushes. We go through this every four years, but somehow people always manage to forget about the last time.

[63dot]

Perhaps, though I am afraid your spellings skill will remain somewhat lacking. :p

If silly season started a couple weeks ago then what is this? Completely effing mad season?

I guess I put that "extra" f in golf, just like when I putt, when that ball misses the hole and rolls 20 feet past my target by putting with a little "extra" velocity on the putter.

And as for W, I was kidding. He's not the regular working guy he pretends to be. More like a silver spoon Ivy League grad pretending to be a cowboy to fit in with his neighbors. People actually think he's from Texas.

[Ugg]

Pretty much, yes. This weekend is going to be crazy, especially in the states where the campaigns are making their final pushes. We go through this every four years, but somehow people always manage to forget about the last time.

By 20 January, 2009, the ten days leading up to the election will be a distant memory, along with Joe the plumber, Ayers, Wright and the cast of thousands who made this year so memorable!

[IJ Reilly]

By 20 January, 2009, the ten days leading up to the election will be a distant memory, along with Joe the plumber, Ayers, Wright and the cast of thousands who made this year so memorable!

Somewhat. It's still difficult for me to erase the memory of the "Swift Boats Veterans for Truth." At least we didn't have anything quite that bad this election. Or did we?

[itcheroni]

Somewhat. It's still difficult for me to erase the memory of the "Swift Boats Veterans for Truth." At least we didn't have anything quite that bad this election. Or did we?

It's been close. Those tactics just haven't worked (as well) this time.

[mactastic]

It's been close. Those tactics just haven't worked (as well) this time.
Not for a lack of trying though. Jerome Corsi thought his lightning could strike twice. There were several reasons that these tactics failed this time around, but the smears and lies were certainly not bought by the American people this cycle.

[63dot]

By 20 January, 2009, the ten days leading up to the election will be a distant memory, along with Joe the plumber, Ayers, Wright and the cast of thousands who made this year so memorable!

Joe was a funny distraction.

But the really nasty, not safe for work viewing, is the back and forth mud slinging between Obama and Clinton during the primaries. It's been the nastiest campaign or primary in history. I hope January 20th puts that all behind us. I am convinced there are still liberal women who will vote, and have voted, for McCain-Palin.

While I don't like VP candidate Palin, her comment of Obama not picking Clinton is a compelling statement that hits to the heart of some female voters. If Obama loses, which does not seem likely with 59 hours left, the biggest factor could be that Obama didn't pick Clinton.

[IJ Reilly]

It's been close. Those tactics just haven't worked (as well) this time.

I don't think we've seen any smear campaigns conducted on such an epic scale in this go-round.

[Ntombi]

Joe was a funny distraction.

But the really nasty, not safe for work viewing, is the back and forth mud slinging between Obama and Clinton during the primaries. It's been the nastiest campaign or primary in history. I hope January 20th puts that all behind us. I am convinced there are still liberal women who will vote, and have voted, for McCain-Palin.

While I don't like VP candidate Palin, her comment of Obama not picking Clinton is a compelling statement that hits to the heart of some female voters. If Obama loses, which does not seem likely with 59 hours left, the biggest factor could be that Obama didn't pick Clinton.

We've had this discussion before, and my answer is the same:

If they did (or do) vote for McCain/Palin, they're not really liberal. I don't know one single liberal or moderate woman who is voting for McCain, and the conservative women I know who are hate Hillary and would never have voted for her anyway.

On the other hand, I know several moderate and conservative women and men who are voting for Obama because of Palin.

And McCain's air quotes on "Women's health" in the last debate didn't help either. :mad:

[skunk]

If Obama loses, which does not seem likely with 59 hours left, the biggest factor could be that Obama didn't pick Clinton.But why would Obama pick Clinton? She has little or no foreign policy experience, and brings an awful lot of baggage to the ticket. Asmittedly Biden brings his questionable relationship with MBNA, but at least his long experience on Senate committees will tend to unite rather than divide.

[rdowns]

But why would Obama pick Clinton? She has little or no foreign policy experience, and brings an awful lot of baggage to the ticket. Asmittedly Biden brings his questionable relationship with MBNA, but at least his long experience on Senate committees will tend to unite rather than divide.

I agree. If you think Palin energized the base, imagine what a Clinton on the ticket would have done.

[63dot]

But why would Obama pick Clinton? She has little or no foreign policy experience, and brings an awful lot of baggage to the ticket. Asmittedly Biden brings his questionable relationship with MBNA, but at least his long experience on Senate committees will tend to unite rather than divide.

I like the fact that Senator Clinton did get a lot of votes, 18 million+, in the Democratic primary so she has some known popularity with voters. Biden doesn't really have any major negatives against him so Obama didn't choose poorly like McCain did.

McCain, while the clear underdog as far as projected EVs before he chose a running mate, really put himself into underdog status with Palin and his low numbers have remained unchanged at a 6.4+ percent deficit or so for the last three days on all the major polls taken together, and at a 9 point deficit as of today for CNN an hour ago. He has just 48 hours left and we are in the weekend so few people are going to be likely following politics as closely as they do during the week. He will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat on Monday if he is to even have a chance at equalizing his downturn. At this point, I can't think of anything McCain could do.

In 1996, when one candidate was as far behind as McCain is now to Obama, Bob Dole campaigned for 100 hours straight to try and slow Clinton down and picked up a few EVs for all his efforts. But the problem is that McCain has half that time and half the EV projection as Obama and I don't see him campaigning rigorously right now. How many states can he hit in two days? If he is to have any effect, he has to capture Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Illinois, or Pennsylvania and most likely four out of those five. He has no chance in California, New York, and the New England states. OK, maybe New Hampshire, but that won't help him now.

Early voting projections are still favoring Obama as of 12:00 a.m. Sunday morning EST, and while some voting booths will be open Monday, there is no indication that there is going to be a shift in favor for the Republicans.

Not only will McCain have to change the tide tomorrow in those Monday voting states, he will have to overwhelm Obama on Tuesday which the polls don't indicate.

[IJ Reilly]

The way these two candidates selected their running mates is a direct reflection of their styles and personalities. Obama chose cautiously and deliberately, because that's the kind of person he is. McCain tried the Hail Mary pass, not only because he needed to throw the dice to have much of a chance to win, but because he's always been a risk-taker.

FWIW and what it matters, a lot of voting has already occurred. In the states that allow early voting, some people voted as much as a month ago. Tuesday may end up being a bit of an anticlimax, with so many ballots already in the bag waiting to be counted.

[Peace]

The way these two candidates selected their running mates is a direct reflection of their styles and personalities. Obama chose cautiously and deliberately, because that's the kind of person he is. McCain tried the Hail Mary pass, not only because he needed to throw the dice to have much of a chance to win, but because he's always been a risk-taker.

FWIW and what it matters, a lot of voting has already occurred. In the states that allow early voting, some people voted as much as a month ago. Tuesday may end up being a bit of an anticlimax, with so many ballots already in the bag waiting to be counted.

Various stats sites say about 20-30% of registered voters have cast pre-election ballots whereas they estimate up to 84% voter turnout this year.
This leaves a lot of voters not voting yet.

[thechidz]

The irony of this situation is that Joe appears to be the embodiment of the completely deceived voter.

yes

[IJ Reilly]

Various stats sites say about 20-30% of registered voters have cast pre-election ballots whereas they estimate up to 84% voter turnout this year.
This leaves a lot of voters not voting yet.

I'm aware of that. My point is that the tracking polls may not be very accurately reflecting the trends of the moment, given the substantial numbers of voters who've already cast their ballots.

[rdowns]

JT Plumber's latest contribution to the political discourse. :rolleyes:

He now questions Obama's loyalty to America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLffaXN1GdQ

[Counterfit]

Obama's anti-American and has no loyalty to America either!



Which is exactly why he's running for President...



Seriously, think about it. Why would someone who hates America want to be elected to anything?

[trebblekicked]

everything that JT Plumber has said since he was "forced" into the limelight- from his income, to his status as an undecided voter, to his interpretation of obama's stance on american-israeli relations has been proven either a lie or wrong. this is the kind of man a candidate should be running from at top speed, not hoisting on his shoulders.

the GOP's idolization of morans (http://memewatch.com/thelist/archives/pix/morans.jpg) is fascinating. i guess knowledge IS the forbidden fruit.

Palin/Wurzlbacher 2012: Dumb and Plumber

[63dot]

Palin/Wurzlbacher 2012 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

That is brilliant, but you should have not posted that here for all to see.

You should have consulted an entertainment law attorney and told them you were writing a script.

Kudos though for your brilliance. It's people/writers like you who make George Lopez, Eddie Murphy, and SNL look great. :)

[trebblekicked]

That is brilliant, but you should have not posted that here for all to see.

You should have consulted an entertainment law attorney and told them you were writing a script.

Kudos though for your brilliance. It's people/writers like you who make George Lopez, Eddie Murphy, and SNL look great. :)

i wouldn't get carried away. i think i heard that on one of those pinko anti-america forums ;)

actually, there's a discussion on said pinko anti-america forum called "their reality has lapped our satire", talking about how stuff like this- the post-ironic nonsense of political silly season- is too bizarre a reality to mock by traditional methods. i honestly think sam wurzlbacher falls into this category; a man literally championed for his ignorance. it hurts my brain to think on it.

[Blue Velvet]

I'm listening to a live interview on BBC Radio Five Live with Joe the Plumber right now. He's saying that he hopes to set up what he calls a 'political watchdog group' to hold the President accountable. :rolleyes:

He's also saying that he's scared of Obama getting in and that he has 'an Anti-American ideology'. He's not being pressed on this absurd point.

[gotzero]

I'm listening to a live interview on BBC Radio Five Live with Joe the Plumber right now. He's saying that he hopes to set up what he calls a 'political watchdog group' to hold the President accountable. :rolleyes:

He's also saying that he's scared of Obama getting in and that he has 'an Anti-American ideology'. He's not being pressed on this absurd point.

Every time I see something like this, I feel compelled to mention that not all US citizens are like this... I am waiting for the outcome of the election before I decide to travel abroad this winter, but no matter what, I am already mentally preparing myself to apologize to all that ask about Joe the Plumber and Palin...

[Blue Velvet]

^ No need to apologise. Except if they win. :D

Nah, in the case of Samuel Wurzelbacher, I just find it funny that he thinks he has some form of political future beyond his 15 minutes. Like Sarah Palin, I guess he didn't blink either.

[Lord Blackadder]

As a fellow Ohioan, I can say that Samuel J Not really a Plumber is an embarrassment to the state and to the nation.

It's the duplicity that gets me. He gained fame because he was supposed to be an avatar of the Everyman, but he turned out to be a charlatan. Appropriate, then, that he was swept up into the McCain campaign.

[hulugu]

As a fellow Ohioan, I can say that Samuel J Not really a Plumber is an embarrassment to the state and to the nation.

It's the duplicity that gets me. He gained fame because he was supposed to be an avatar of the Everyman, but he turned out to be a charlatan. Appropriate, then, that he was swept up into the McCain campaign.

It shouldn't be that much of a surprise, this nation has always loved it's actors and false-prophets. That Joe The Plumber continues to garner attention is unsurprising considering that have elected year-over-year to collectively fawn over mediocre starlets and rich heiresses, famous for simply being famous.

[IJ Reilly]

As a fellow Ohioan, I can say that Samuel J Not really a Plumber is an embarrassment to the state and to the nation.

It's all well and good for you to admit as much, but what are you going to do about it?

[Counterfit]

I'm listening to a live interview on BBC Radio Five Live with Joe the Plumber right now. He's saying that he hopes to set up what he calls a 'political watchdog group' to hold the President accountable. :rolleyes:
That already exists. It's called the GOP.

He's also saying that he's scared of Obama getting in and that he has 'an Anti-American ideology'. He's not being pressed on this absurd point.

Fine then. I'm scared of Sarah Palin being in any position of power, because she's already shown that she can't be responsible when mayor of a two-bit town in Alaska, and she can't be responsible when governor of the 4th least populated state, so I don't even want to imagine her in the national stage.

[solvs]

I noticed none of you even talk about the SUBSTANCE of "Joe's" comments. You just call him names and say he's stupid. Very educational conversation!

The "substance" is stupid, and he should be called on it. What is there to debate. There's not much left but to ridicule. For anyone who knows anything about the subjects brought up, what else is there?

[atszyman]

actually, there's a discussion on said pinko anti-america forum called "their reality has lapped our satire"

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48940

Yep, reality is running neck and neck with the satire, I'm not sure if it's actually so far ahead that it's lapped satire, but at the very least they're running side by side. Of course the article is from 1993, so maybe satire is just 15 years ahead of reality...

[Lord Blackadder]

It's all well and good for you to admit as much, but what are you going to do about it?

Well I've already voted. So the only other option is to cede Toledo to Michigan and make Joe somebody else's problem.

[rdowns]

Obama wins Ohio and Pennsylvania

America Rejects Joe the Plumber :D

[solvs]

Gotta agree with rdowns.

Apparently America likes Barry the President and Joe the Biden more than Joe (real name Sam) the Plumber (not really a plumber), John the Crotchety Guy Who Sold His Soul for no reason it seems, and Sarah the Winky GMILF gosh darn you betcha dontchaknow gee golly.

[Blue Velvet]

Picked up from Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/):


Joe the Plumber’s latest small business? Apparently: himself. JTP’s deeply researched, carefully edited, thoughtful, and not at all hastily-put-together-to-capitalize-on-his-media-celebrity-before-it-expires treatise on The American Dream—written “with” spiritual novelist Thomas N. Tabback—is slated to be released December 1. Yes, of this year.

Oh, and it will be titled, humbly and rather delightfully, Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream.

To celebrate—and to ensure that copies of the book are sold!—YOU THE PEOPLE can now obtain a Freedom Membership from Joe’s hastily-put-together-to-capitalize-on-his-media-celebrity-before-it-expires Web site, SecureOurDream.com. The Membership, like Freedom itself, ain’t free…but the $14.95 yearly fee practically pays for itself! With it, you’ll get:

1) Total Access to “Joe The Forum” where you may chat directly with Joe
2) Subscription to the “Joe The Blog” monthly newsletter
3) Free Shipping on all “Joe The Plumber” merchandise
4) Free Signed Copy of Joe’s forthcoming book “Joe The Plumber” - Fighting for the American Dream
5) Become an integral part of an American movement to restore our government to the people

Now, the mere promise of seeing what a blog looks like as a monthly newsletter is probably reason enough to pay $14.95. As is the opportunity to restore our government to the people, and everything. But, me, I’ll wait to give over my credit card number until Joe gets around to filling the currently empty-except-for-the-book “Shop Joe” section of SecureOurDream.com

NB, JTP: Once your Freedom Membership includes a Limited Edition Joe the Plumber Commemorative $1 Coin, Layered in Genuine 24-Karat Gold, my $14.95 will be yours.

http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/joe_the_forum_joe_the_blogger.php

Where there's muck, there's brass. ;)

www.secureourdream.com :D

[yoppie]

Picked up from Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/):




http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/joe_the_forum_joe_the_blogger.php

Where there's muck, there's brass. ;)

www.secureourdream.com :D

Not surprising. Joe/Sam had dollar signs in his eyes all along.

[IJ Reilly]

I guess you have to admire his entrepreneurial spirit, or something like that. PT Barnum lives.

[atszyman]

Bets are now being placed as to when he makes his first game/reality show appearance.

[abijnk]

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

[rdowns]

I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.


Fixed that for you.

[themoonisdown09]

Bets are now being placed as to when he makes his first game/reality show appearance.

I'm guessing the Spring of 2009.

I think I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

I did that too and then had to swallow it.

[Cleverboy]

Picked up from Digby (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/):
http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/joe_the_forum_joe_the_blogger.php
Where there's muck, there's brass. ;)
www.secureourdream.com :D Wow. But, y'know... if they had the smarts to do this up right, it'd have some legs. Instead it just looks like an unbelievable mess. You could EASILY have prefabed much better, if only to concentrate on content and message (of which there is clearly little). If there was a fun Flash video game... Yeah, I'd be playing it. They need to take tips from Lucas on merchandishing. There's an uncanny valley between fanboy wet dream and shlock.

~ CB

[mactastic]

Where there's muck, there's brass. ;)
Question is, will it zoom to the top of the bestsellers list via the right-wingnut best-seller express mechanism?

IOW, is some wingnut out there willing to purchase enough of these books en masse to "catapult the propoganda" to the top of the bestsellers list? I suppose we'll see...

[rdowns]

He just won't go away (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/19/joe-the-plumber-interview_n_144841.html). Gotta love this quote. :rolleyes:


Q: As a Republican, do you feel that Gov. Sarah Palin was the right vice-presidential selection?

A: Honestly, I think she shines too much. I think vice president no, president definitely. She has moral values. She has a record of change that ... John McCain had supposedly ... Sarah was actually too big of a personality, too big of a person to be vice president.

So now Joe is throwing McCain out and embracing Sarah. He must think he has a shot at a cabinet position in 2012.

[Cleverboy]

He just won't go away (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/19/joe-the-plumber-interview_n_144841.html). Gotta love this quote. :rolleyes: So now Joe is throwing McCain out and embracing Sarah. He must think he has a shot at a cabinet position in 2012. LOL. Now? No... he did that early on. Remember that McCain event where, surprised that Joe was missing, declared everyone Joe the Plumber? Just Google "where's joe?"... its the top result.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/joe_plumber_sarah/2008/11/10/149565.html
Joe the plumber says “it doesn’t matter” if John McCain or Barack Obama had won the election, but he told the New York Post there’s one person in the McCain camp that he loves: Sarah Palin.

Joe Wurzelbacher said he spoke with Palin for 30 minutes and “she is so down-to-earth. I don’t want to sound like a hippie, but she’s got this energy coming from her. It’s amazing.

“All she wants to do is do right by America and secure our values. Barack Obama wants to fundamentally change our democracy, and that is worrisome.”

Wurzelbacher said he has no immediate plans to run for elected office.

He told Newsmax last week that for the time being he wants to devote his energies to SecureOurDream.com, a watchdog group “that essentially will hold politicians accountable and make them remember that they actually got into this business to serve their fellow man, and not themselves.” Koff, koff... [idiot]... koff. Anyone feel like hitting the USPTO and checking on the trademark. I'm sure it'll register in a couple of weeks as being under review.

~ CB

[mactastic]

Wow... that guy appears to worship Palin as if she was some kind of celebrity!

I wonder if he sees the starbursts too...

[rdowns]

Well, the jackass got a book deal. It will be out December 1st. I'm sure it will be filled with well thought out, hard-hitting reasoning and a plan for the future of our country. :rolleyes:

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/arts/20arts-002.html?_r=2)

[mactastic]

Palin / Wurzelbacher '12!

Pretty please?

[hulugu]

Question is, will it zoom to the top of the bestsellers list via the right-wingnut best-seller express mechanism?

IOW, is some wingnut out there willing to purchase enough of these books en masse to "catapult the propoganda" to the top of the bestsellers list? I suppose we'll see...

Well, the jackass got a book deal. It will be out December 1st. I'm sure it will be filled with well thought out, hard-hitting reasoning and a plan for the future of our country. :rolleyes:

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/arts/20arts-002.html?_r=2)

Well, I've already ranted and raved about Palin's book deal, so I'll just be repeating myself, but what is the deal with pseudo-celebs and instant book-deals.
Who reads this stuff?

[rdowns]

Palin / Wurzelbacher '12!

Pretty please?


Dumber and Plumber

[mactastic]

Well, I've already ranted and raved about Palin's book deal, so I'll just be repeating myself, but what is the deal with pseudo-celebs and instant book-deals.
Who reads this stuff?
Yeah, I thought being a celebrity was a Bad Thing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOrmOvHysdU)?

[rdowns]

Watch (http://velocitystore.com/?lang=en&PHPSESSID=dbndnq49f31h4nd5tv6sfvvfr0&page=media) Joe the Plumber do an informercial where he tells people to go get their government handout. :D

[xUKHCx]

Watch (http://velocitystore.com/?lang=en&PHPSESSID=dbndnq49f31h4nd5tv6sfvvfr0&page=media) Joe the Plumber do an informercial where he tells people to go get their government handout. :D

Watch his eyes during that video, he is truly fixed on the auto cue, shame it is a little off straight because then it would be very freaky.

[NT1440]

isnt his name really sam???

[rdowns]

isnt his name really sam???

Yes, but Sam the Opportunist just doesn't have the same ring to it.

[IJ Reilly]

Yes, but Sam the Opportunist just doesn't have the same ring to it.

You're just angry that you didn't think if it yourself! ;)

[Blue Velvet]

Joe the Plumber turns on his former boss now that it's safe to do so.

Joe Wurzelbacher lashed out Tuesday at former GOP presidential nominee John McCain, the man who made Wurzelbacher famous as “Joe the Plumber.” Wurzelbacher told conservative radio host Glenn Beck that he felt “dirty” after “being on the campaign trail and seeing some of the things that take place.”

Used like a tissue (of lies) and then thrown away. Poor baby.

Recalling a conversation he had with McCain about the $700 billion financial industry bailout in September, Wurzelbacher said: “When I was on the bus with him, I asked him a lot of questions about the bailout because most Americans did not want that to happen.”

“I asked him some pretty direct questions,” he continued. “Some of the answers you guys are gonna receive — they appalled me, absolutely. I was angry. In fact, I wanted to get off the bus after I talked to him.”

But you did not get off the bus, did you? You were onto a nice cushy earner and saw a chance to capitalise on your 15 minutes of fame...

Asked why he didn’t leave McCain’s campaign if he was “appalled” by the candidate, Wurzelbacher said, “honestly, because the thought of Barack Obama as president scares me even more.”

A man of principle.

While Wurzelbacher was critical of McCain during the interview, he had nothing but praise for his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “Sarah Palin is absolutely the real deal,” he said.

You betcha. Also.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16385.html

[pseudobrit]

You betcha. Also.

Joe really knows how to pick a loser.

[Blue Velvet]

Joe the Plumber to become war correspondent

Joe The Plumber is putting down his wrenches and picking up a reporter's notebook.

The Ohio man who became a household name during the presidential campaign says he is heading to Israel as a war correspondent for the conservative Web site pjtv.com. (http://www.pjtv.com/)

Samuel J. Wurzelbacher (WUR'-zuhl-bah-kur) says he'll spend 10 days covering the fighting.

He tells WNWO-TV in Toledo that he wants to let Israel's "'Average Joes' share their story."

Wurzelbacher gained attention during the final weeks of the campaign when he asked Barack Obama about his tax plan.

He later joined Republican John McCain on the campaign trail. At one stop, he agreed with a McCain supporter who asked if he believed a vote for Obama was a vote for the death of Israel.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090107/ap_on_re_us/joe_the_plumber

[rdowns]

Michelle Malkin and Joe the Plumber. I can't believe I haven't been getting my news from these guys. :rolleyes:

[Blue Velvet]

Michelle Malkin and Joe the Plumber. I can't believe I haven't been getting my news from these guys. :rolleyes:


I can't imagine where he's going to 'cover the fighting' from, as if he's actually a journalist. They're not going to let him wander around Gaza. I can imagine some IDF military PR person force-feeding him stuff for him to attach his byeline to.

The real horror, of course, is that this thread may never die. ;)

[rdowns]

The real horror, of course, is that this thread may never die. ;)

I saw the story yesterday and decided that it wasn't worth reviving the thread for. Talk about getting your 15 minutes extended. :D

[Blue Velvet]

I saw the story yesterday and decided that it wasn't worth reviving the thread for.

No wingnut nonsense, especially the elevation of incompetents, is low or stupid enough to not mock. ;)

[MacTraveller]

Joe should shut his pipes already.

Plumbing humor.

I see. :apple:

[MacTraveller]

The real horror, of course, is that this thread may never die. ;)

Naw.

The real horror is the possibility that Joe the Plumber will still be making headlines.... LONG AFTER this thread is dead.

[Blue Velvet]

"I'll be honest with you. I don't think journalists should be anywhere allowed war. I mean, you guys report where our troops are at. You report what's happening day to day. You make a big deal out of it. I think it's asinine. You know, I liked back in World War I and World War II when you'd go to the theater and you'd see your troops on, you know, the screen and everyone would be real excited and happy for 'em. Now everyone's got an opinion and wants to downer, ah, down soldiers. You know, American soldiers or Israeli soldiers.

I think media should be abolished from, uh, you know, reporting. You know, war is hell. And if you're gonna sit there and say, "Well look at this atrocity," well you don't know the whole story behind it half the time, so I think the media should have no business in it."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424929024&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


"You should be ashamed of yourself," he told foreign reporters.

"You should be patriotic, protect your family and children, not report like you have been doing for the past two weeks since this war has started," he said.

But in Sderot, he seemed just as intent on teaching a thing or two to the media. "Do you think this is normal, the way you cover this conflict and give away information to your enemy?" he asked the journalists that gathered around him.

"It makes me sick to see the way you behave - you guys need to be protective of your homes, your children, your family."

"I am angry," he said, "and this is why I came here."


What an utterly stupid arsehole.

[hulugu]

What an utterly stupid arsehole.

Ow. Those quotes should come with a warning. They're so stupid it's actually painful.

[NT1440]

What an utterly stupid arsehole.

If you may let this one slide BV......:o

On behalf of any person in the world capable of intelligent thought:
Joe, its YOU that is the atrocity.:mad:

[mactastic]

Joe should take his own advice regarding reporters in war zones...

[Blue Velvet]

If you may let this one slide BV......:o

I dunno. Check your PMs.

[Counterfit]

"protective of your homes, family, and children"


So, what, is the Iraq War now being fought in New York? :confused:

[atszyman]

"protective of your homes, family, and children"


So, what, is the Iraq War now being fought in New York? :confused:

Shhhh!

You don't want to be giving the enemy our troop locations. New York is a blue state, and therefore not part of "Real America" ergo, we can fight them there so we don't have to deal with them in "Real America™"

[pooky]

Shhhh!

You don't want to be giving the enemy our troop locations. New York is a blue state, and therefore not part of "Real America" ergo, we can fight them there so we don't have to deal with them in "Real America™"

Ergo? Excuse me? What the **** is this ergo ****? Joe the plumber don't use no fancy French words in his reporting. You must be one of them, you know, fake-America New York yuppie liberal elite types. Go back to France, commie!

[rdowns]

What an utterly stupid arsehole.

Should I change the thread title? :D

[rdowns]

The thread that just won't die. If ever an emoticon was needed. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

HuffPo Link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/03/joe-the-plumber-to-talk-s_n_163482.html)

Gah, this guy again. Samuel J. "Joe the 'Plumber'" Wurzelbacher, freshly returned from bankrupting Pajamas Media with his "I Don't Know, Maybe Journalists Should Shut Up, Or Something" tour of Israel, is now going to be meeting with the Conservative Working Group, making working for the Conservative Working Group the worst possible job anyone could have this week.

Hilariously, the people who serve on the Conservative Working Group don't seem to want to do much Conservative Working, since Joe's appearance is billed as an incentive to keep everyone from sleeping in:
If nothing else, GOP aides are using the appearance to get staffers to attend the 9 a.m meeting.

"In case you weren't planning to attend CWG tomorrow morning, you might want to reconsider because Joe the Plumber will be joining us!" Kimberly Wallner, an aide to South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, wrote in a message to her e-mail list this afternoon.
Anyway, we are told that Joe is not a "fan of the economic rescue package," so, woo: there's some real high-wire opinioneering, right there. He'll probably say that the media shouldn't talk about the economy any more, or math, and that maybe Paul Krugman should do more to help people with their digital TV conversions.

Anyway, how dull is this guy? Consider this. The article that reports this news in Politico begins with the sentence, "Fresh off his stint as a war correspondent in Gaza, Joe the Plumber is now doing political strategy with Republicans," and ends with the sentence, "Last month, Wurzelbacher did a brief stint as a war reporter for the conservative web site pjtv.com." Normally, you'd wonder where the editor was, allowing the double mention of "stint," but your eyes just glaze over, thinking about this guy.