Dev Seed Pulled (10.3.3)

[MacRumors]

ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/macosx1033.html) as well as independent reports indicate that Apple pulled the Mac OS X 10.3.3 seed due to an issue with 20" iMacs.

Apple warns "Please do not install Mac OS X v10.3.3 Build 7F24 on a 20-inch iMac".

[GroundLoop]

Anybody know the exact nature of this bug? I wonder if it turned the 20" iMac into an explosive device.

Hickman

[MongoTheGeek]

I was hoping for a warning that said "do not install 10.3.3 on a anodized black g5 powerbooks."

[virividox]

even better than anodized black g5 pb, is g6 heheheh

[Photorun]

It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.

[awulf]

Originally posted by Photorun
It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.
Ah, damn... So that's why my socks have been going.

10.3.3 probably caused some sort of hardware failure to be pulled as a seed. I wonder how many Macs are harmed during the making of Mac OS X.

[mustang_dvs]

The bug involving the 20-inch iMac was a fairly localized one.

It would only affect users living in small southern California town. According to internal Apple documents, if 7F24 was installed on a 20-inch iMac in this small town, an ancient prophecy would be fulfilled and a portal known as the "Hellmouth" would open, swallowing the town and unleashing ten thousand years of unmitigated evil upon humanity.

All in all, I think pulling the seed was a bit of an over-reaction on Apple's part.

[MongoTheGeek]

Originally posted by mustang_dvs
The bug involving the 20-inch iMac was a fairly localized one.

It would only affect users living in small southern California town. According to internal Apple documents, if 7F24 was installed on a 20-inch iMac in this small town, an ancient prophecy would be fulfilled and a portal known as the "Hellmouth" would open, swallowing the town and unleashing ten thousand years of unmitigated evil upon humanity.

All in all, I think pulling the seed was a bit of an over-reaction on Apple's part.

Can't be any worse than what comes out of Redmond on a daily basis.

[dho]

Originally posted by Photorun
It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.

I believe what you are refering to is longhorn. :)

[sabbath999]

Originally posted by Photorun
It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.

Dude, you forgot the part about the pigmy mummies!

[iriejedi]

As much as my creative imagination wants to explain how the gnomes are going to turn stolen underpants into profit....

Anyone here 'the' rumor that the 10.3.3 release (final version - after portal to Redmond uh I mean Hell is closed) - will be the installed version on Gen 2 G5s?


Irie

[johnnyjibbs]

Reading the info on 10.3.3, I like the areas it is focusing on...:)

I guess it didn't like something in the new 20" iMacs. What I don't understand is that the 17" and 20" iMacs are identical apart from the screen size, so what sort of bug could cause something 'mission criticle" on the 20" version? It doesn't sound like data loss issues to me.

[iriejedi]

10.3.3 made the necks of the iMac extend and lock for > 4 hours at a time requiring medical attenton

The FDA is requiring new warning labels!

[Photorun]

Oh no, those gnomes would seem like candystripers compared to minions unleashed by Longhorn, legend will call these vile types "Windows users," I ... I can't say anymore, the visions are too painful.

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by Photorun
It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.

How would they respond to my sock drawer, where none of my socks are paired? I just have a couple dozen white sock, all identical, about a dozen black socks, all identical, about a dozen wool socks, all identical, etc...

[Snowy_River]

Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
Reading the info on 10.3.3, I like the areas it is focusing on...:)

I guess it didn't like something in the new 20" iMacs. What I don't understand is that the 17" and 20" iMacs are identical apart from the screen size, so what sort of bug could cause something 'mission criticle" on the 20" version? It doesn't sound like data loss issues to me.

The 17" isn't big enough for the portal to form...

:D :p

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by Photorun
Oh no, those gnomes would seem like candystripers compared to minions unleashed by Longhorn, legend will call these vile types "Windows users," I ... I can't say anymore, the visions are too painful. haha you're too much.. haha..

[dudeami]

If this is true, it does not give me any warm-and-fuzzies about Apple's developement process. I mean what goes on out there?

.... "Hey Bob, I think this code looks ready to go. Let's install it on two or three machines for ... oh about half a day. If nothing bad happens let's just send it to our devoted testers, willing to put there machines at risk, and see if we can ruin anything. If we do, I'm sure they'll continue to love testing our next software upgrade as well."

"Sounds good to me Joe. We'll be done before lunch. Let's do it."

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by dudeami
If this is true, it does not give me any warm-and-fuzzies about Apple's developement process. I mean what goes on out there?

.... "Hey Bob, I think this code looks ready to go. Let's install it on two or three machines for ... oh about half a day. If nothing bad happens let's just send it to our devoted testers, willing to put there machines at risk, and see if we can ruin anything. If we do, I'm sure they'll continue to love testing our next software upgrade as well."

"Sounds good to me Joe. We'll be done before lunch. Let's do it."

Uh - how many times did you use Tester in you critism - do you NOT know what testing is all about - you MUST be a windows users as Microsoft does not pay for 'devoted testers' they use the CONSUMER!

[dudeami]

I may be incorrect on this. However I would think that a dev seed would mean that this is sent to an external beta test group that is not getting paid to test this. This should be similar to a pilot group on a software deployment, and should be used to determine if there are minor bugs, not that the software will destroy enough computers in two-three days of testing that you determine you need to "recall" the software. And yes, M$ has developed a bad reputation that has basically forced it's user comunity to be very cautious about applying their "fixes". I would like to see Apple have a better reputation then that. Especially with their efforts to enter into the enterprise market. The fact that the software had that adverse an effect, would lead me to believe that it really should still have been in alpha testing, and should not have been a release candidate. If this software and Safari were both seeded at the same time, as the rumor has it, how much time do they normally allow for software to go from this seed to production?

[dudeami]

Also in my mind there is also a history being established that they are not performing enough due diligence on their testing. I think it was 10.2.8 that was released for consumers (not testers) to use in production, only to dissapear from their website shortly thereafter. Then about three weeks it was released again, along with a fix for the older version of 10.2.8. Also I would think that they should be selective enough about their beta testers to get a broad enough group to properly represent their user community. I don't think this was the case when Apple was "surprised" by the fact the Panther was destroying a large amount of firewire drives on consumers systems.

[Dont Hurt Me]

Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
Reading the info on 10.3.3, I like the areas it is focusing on...:)

I guess it didn't like something in the new 20" iMacs. What I don't understand is that the 17" and 20" iMacs are identical apart from the screen size, so what sort of bug could cause something 'mission criticle" on the 20" version? It doesn't sound like data loss issues to me. I agree , what could be so different in the 20" but not in the 17"? runs at a different resolution? seems like a very lame excuse with no details.

[windowsblowsass]

Originally posted by Photorun
It made the 20 inch iMac explode and implode at the same time causing an antimatter hole through which evil gnomes devoid of cloaking need would come into this world and steal one of each pair of socks for everyone on the planet. It would have been really really bad.
they would have stolen underpants hence their name the underpantsgnomes they also had a three step plan to take over
1.collect underpants
2....
3.PROFIT!!

[chickengrease16]

i installed mac os x 10.3.3 on my 15" powerbook and it runs fine -- sortof. safari is a bit flaky (1.2 beta i think), and it hangs at random times with the spinning color wheel. i'm happy with the improvements, nonetheless. tabbing to buttons and drop downs (which works in most aqua programs as well!) is an amazing feature. way to go, apple!

[MacSlut]

Originally posted by dudeami
I may be incorrect on this. However I would think that a dev seed would mean that this is sent to an external beta test group that is not getting paid to test this. This should be similar to a pilot group on a software deployment, and should be used to determine if there are minor bugs, not that the software will destroy enough computers in two-three days of testing that you determine you need to "recall" the software. And yes, M$ has developed a bad reputation that has basically forced it's user comunity to be very cautious about applying their "fixes". I would like to see Apple have a better reputation then that. Especially with their efforts to enter into the enterprise market. The fact that the software had that adverse an effect, would lead me to believe that it really should still have been in alpha testing, and should not have been a release candidate. If this software and Safari were both seeded at the same time, as the rumor has it, how much time do they normally allow for software to go from this seed to production?

Do you actually know what the issue was with the 20" iMac? If not, then how do you know how much testing was done in house at Apple before releasing this to developers? It may have been a fairly innocuous issue that only showed up during unusual settings/configurations.

Dev seeds come with HUGE warnings in regards to only installing on Macs dedicated for testing purposes and never on a production or mission critical Mac.

Certainly, if this seed did physical damage to the 20" iMacs under common settings/configurations, then it was a blunder by Apple, but more than likely this isn't the case (otherwise we would've heard of exploding iMacs or whatever).

The fact of the matter is that the number of Macs, the number of configuration and setting possibilities along with all the software available makes it impossible to thoroughly test in-house in a timely manner to provide updates to consumers.

Most professional developers understand this, and would be able to overcome any *likely* problems a bad seed would cause by zapping PRAM, reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling the OS and the software they develop...hell this is an extremely routine procedure you do on a regular basis as you're developing new iterations of your own software.

[RichardCarletta]

The G5 is a 64 bit computer , right ? Shouldn't Apple be writing a 64 bit operating system for the G5s ? It's time for Apple to work on and release Mac OS 11 . It could be a 64 bit version of OS X but optimized for the G5 . Apple does not need a better OS X . In one year , the PowerMac , iMac . and Powerbook should be G5 . Why would we need another OS X update for ? 10.3.3 should be the absolute last update for the G3 , G4 , and G5 .

[iriejedi]

Originally posted by RichardCarletta
The G5 is a 64 bit computer , right ? Shouldn't Apple be writing a 64 bit operating system for the G5s ? It's time for Apple to work on and release Mac OS 11 . It could be a 64 bit version of OS X but optimized for the G5 . Apple does not need a better OS X . In one year , the PowerMac , iMac . and Powerbook should be G5 . Why would we need another OS X update for ? 10.3.3 should be the absolute last update for the G3 , G4 , and G5 .

Why do you assume they ARE not working on a G5 optimized version? How long was OS 9 supported while OS X was being developed/newly introduced? I'd bet OS XI and OS XII are all in various stages from a flow chart in a RnD room to actual code testing ideas/potential....

[barbaloot]

Well if you look at the 20inch display compared to the 17inch and 23 inch. The system requirements are much higher. You need 10.2. The 17" and 23" can be used all the way down to 9.2.2.

[mustang_dvs]

Originally posted by MongoTheGeek
Can't be any worse than what comes out of Redmond on a daily basis.

Well, there's a difference: 7F24 dooms the world if you install it on a 20-inch iMac in Sunnydale, California; Windows dooms the world every time someone presses CTRL-ALT-DEL.

[fabsgwu]

I think its kind of a funny warning, even without commentary from the MacRumors gallery of experts. I think the 17 and 20 may have some hidden differences (i.e. maybe it has to do with the graphics set or something like that). A side note, have you seen how thick the 20" imac display is? its way more chunky than the 17"

[tomdavies]

Originally posted by MongoTheGeek
Can't be any worse than what comes out of Redmond on a daily basis.

Apparently MS is set to hire Wolfram & Hart to handle any further antitrust problems.

[displaced]

Originally posted by fabsgwu
I think its kind of a funny warning, even without commentary from the MacRumors gallery of experts. I think the 17 and 20 may have some hidden differences (i.e. maybe it has to do with the graphics set or something like that). A side note, have you seen how thick the 20" imac display is? its way more chunky than the 17"

Amen, brother :)

Apple routinely use external physical differences to discern between different models and revisions.

For example OS X (without jumping through hoops) supports 'any Mac with on-board USB ports'. It's not actually the presence of those ports that are required -- it's just that the first machines with those ports have the lowest overall spec that Apple officially support OS X on.

Anyway, isn't this kind of thing what restricted seed programmes are about? Get your code out onto representative hardware, owned by people who're savvy enough to understand how testing is done, identify issues and fix 'em.

[barbaloot]

Originally posted by displaced
Amen, brother :)

Apple routinely use external physical differences to discern between different models and revisions.

For example OS X (without jumping through hoops) supports 'any Mac with on-board USB ports'. It's not actually the presence of those ports that are required -- it's just that the first machines with those ports have the lowest overall spec that Apple officially support OS X on.

Anyway, isn't this kind of thing what restricted seed programmes are about? Get your code out onto representative hardware, owned by people who're savvy enough to understand how testing is done, identify issues and fix 'em.

I have a Wallstreet Powerbook, it's upgraded to a 500MHz G3. Which is well within the specs of Panther. But still it won't even install. It has more to do with the Boot Rom then anything. Once they moved to built-in USB ports they also starting using New World Boot Rom. But most poeple know if they have USB ports not what Boot Rom they have.

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by awulf
Ah, damn... So that's why my socks have been going.

10.3.3 probably caused some sort of hardware failure to be pulled as a seed. I wonder how many Macs are harmed during the making of Mac OS X.


*shakes head* You guys have it all wrong. See 10.3.3 actually converts the bits on your hard drive into strangelets. The strangelets eat normal matter and convert it into more strangelets. It's an Apple doomsday weapon that wasn't meant to get out of the lab. Little did you guys know it wasn't a port of OS X to the X86 instruction set that they've been working on. If Apple goes down they are taking the world with them! MWAHAHAHAHAH.

[pianojoe]

[i] if 7F24 was installed on a 20-inch iMac in this small town, an ancient prophecy would be fulfilled and a portal known as the "Hellmouth" would open, swallowing the town and unleashing ten thousand years of unmitigated evil upon humanity. [/B]

Some people claim that this has already happened.

[MacsRgr8]

Why is there still no new dev seed?

[wdlove]

Originally posted by barbaloot
Well if you look at the 20inch display compared to the 17inch and 23 inch. The system requirements are much higher. You need 10.2. The 17" and 23" can be used all the way down to 9.2.2.

You also need the correct hardware. I found out the hard way that my G4 Dual 450 Graphite will not run the 20" or 23", unless I purchased a new card.

I also would like to see Apple have new 64 bit Mac OS. The G5 should have an OS that takes advantage of its power.