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soyaspade
Feb 5, 2004, 06:17 AM
Can anyone recommend a good (less expensive than apple) LCD monitor?
Thanks!
-Z

edesignuk
Feb 5, 2004, 06:21 AM
What size are you looking for?

15", 17" 18" 19", 20"? Regular or wide? etc...

soyaspade
Feb 5, 2004, 06:24 AM
I love the apple 20" wide, but I'm flexible (and hesitant to spen 1200 on a monitor)

edesignuk
Feb 5, 2004, 06:37 AM
And where are you from? When you say "1200", is that $, , other?

soyaspade
Feb 5, 2004, 06:41 AM
the apple 20" cinema display is $1,169.00 with the edu discount

neonart
Feb 6, 2004, 03:29 PM
www.formac.com - I have a 2010 and it's amazing! Can't say enough good things about it.

machem
Feb 6, 2004, 05:15 PM
How do people feel about Formac? Haven't they had some problems lately with support and/or contact issues?

jrv3034
Feb 6, 2004, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by machem
How do people feel about Formac? Haven't they had some problems lately with support and/or contact issues?

I've heard the same thing. I don't have a Formac monitor, and have never dealt with their customer support, so this is only hearsay. Apparently their monitors are excellent quality, but if you try to get in touch with them, they either don't answer the phone, or give you the runaround.

Again, this is not from personal experience, but from reading posts here.

On topic, I've also heard Dell LCDs are great, and NEC also (although their 17" is analog).

What is your price range?

EDIT: Just found this on the Dell website:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-1578&category_id=4009

Crikey
Feb 6, 2004, 08:27 PM
Dell has revamped their 20" LCD offering. It's not a work of art like Apple's LCDs, but it's on sale right now for $750 plus shipping:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?category_id=5194&k=&mnf=&brandid=&prst=&prEnd=&sku=320-1578&mnfsku=&SearchType=&Page=productlisting.aspx&spagenum=1&Pageb4Search=&InStock=&items_per_page=25&orderby=&mnfname=&brand=&SubmitSearch=&image_flag=True&refurbished=&c=us&l=en&cs=04&iCompatid=

Well, that URL as embedded on this page isn't working for me. Go to Dell (heh), click Small Business, Peripherals, and find the 20" 2001FP.

That might be the cheapest 1600x1200 LCD I've seen.

Cheers,

Crikey

machem
Feb 6, 2004, 10:54 PM
Is there some consensus that Dell LCDs are alright? A Formac 17" is exactly the same price as the 17" Apple Studio (EDU pricing), but a Dell ultrasharp 17" is $450, and even with the adapter, that's $100 less, which can go into memory. Or an 18" Dell LCD.

If Apple put out updated LCDs, I go for that instantly, but right now, they have me thinking about pinching pennies....

Freakk123
Feb 7, 2004, 12:00 AM
Check out the Dell Small Business store. I got my 19" FP1901 for around $520. It works like a charm. I'd highly recommend it!

jrv3034
Feb 7, 2004, 12:59 AM
Originally posted by Crikey
Dell has revamped their 20" LCD offering. It's not a work of art like Apple's LCDs, but it's on sale right now for $750 plus shipping...

That might be the cheapest 1600x1200 LCD I've seen.

WOW!!! That is really an unbelievable price! If I didn't have my 22" DiamondPro CRT, I'd definitely pick up one of these. Heck, for less than 1 23" cinema display you can get two of these puppies!

MrSugar
Feb 7, 2004, 01:47 AM
I run dual View Sonic 17" VP171b monitors. They are really nice, about $520 each with shipping. It has a 16ms response time, 1280 res, thin bezzel, just really high quality.

That's my rec.

neonart
Feb 7, 2004, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by machem
A Formac 17" is exactly the same price as the 17" Apple Studio (EDU pricing), but a Dell ultrasharp 17" is $450, and even with the adapter, that's $100 less, which can go into memory. Or an 18" Dell LCD.

If Apple put out updated LCDs, I go for that instantly, but right now, they have me thinking about pinching pennies....

Remember... you get what you pay for. Formac has some of the best LCD's outside of SGI and other high brands. Their stuff is better than Apple's for less money. Once you bring Dell and other's into the picture you will sacrifice something.
Compare the specs and see what dead pixel warranties you get, what is the pixel response (important for games and video), viewing angle, etc.
I'm not saying these other brands are bad- but be careful with the "which is cheapest" mentality. If you look for cheap, you may just get that.

zagato27
Feb 7, 2004, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Freakk123
Check out the Dell Small Business store. I got my 19" FP1901 for around $520. It works like a charm. I'd highly recommend it!

Same here! Got mine for the same price shipped to my door. This monitor ROCKS!!! 5 USB 2.0 ports and it has DVI and Analog. It is also a handsome piece. Slim black bezel with four small buttons on the lower right corner. Course it does have "DELL" on the front but for the price/performance I can live with it very easily. Oh, did I mention that it has no, zero, dead pixels. Very nice.

machem
Feb 7, 2004, 08:43 PM
Remember... you get what you pay for. Formac has some of the best LCD's outside of SGI and other high brands. Their stuff is better than Apple's for less money. Once you bring Dell and other's into the picture you will sacrifice something.
Compare the specs and see what dead pixel warranties you get, what is the pixel response (important for games and video), viewing angle, etc.
I'm not saying these other brands are bad- but be careful with the "which is cheapest" mentality. If you look for cheap, you may just get that.


That is the other side of the coin --- I'm comfortable with Apple's quality, less so with Dell (though I've heard good things). The Formac looks great, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the problems people had a month or so ago with them. It does seem like they are a bit nicer for the same price.

neonart
Feb 7, 2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by machem
That is the other side of the coin --- I'm comfortable with Apple's quality, less so with Dell (though I've heard good things). The Formac looks great, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the problems people had a month or so ago with them. It does seem like they are a bit nicer for the same price.

I had no idea people had issues with Formac. What were they?

machem
Feb 8, 2004, 01:19 AM
Maybe I'm smoking crack. I just tried to find something anything on any of the well-known forums, and couldn't. So maybe it is something else. *shrug*

Diatribe
Feb 8, 2004, 05:53 AM
The one I am waiting for and which is coming out in 1-2 weeks, is the Samsung 172x. Now don't confuse this with the old 172x, they had one out before with this name. The new one actually has a response time of 12! ms. This should be enough to play even Quake, etc. without any problems.
Plus: It's one hell of a beautiful display. Especially it being so flat.
As soon as this one comes out and lives up to the tests and expectations I am going to get myself 2 of these.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1033

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/monitors/Samsung_172x_1.html

<edit: another link>

spiffie
Feb 8, 2004, 12:03 PM
I've been very happy with my Sharp LLT19D1.

Sharp's site (http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/lcd_monitors/18-20_inch/ll-t19d1/)

Fender2112
Feb 10, 2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Diatribe
The one I am waiting for and which is coming out in 1-2 weeks, is the Samsung 172x. Now don't confuse this with the old 172x, they had one out before with this name. The new one actually has a response time of 12! ms. This should be enough to play even Quake, etc. without any problems.
Plus: It's one hell of a beautiful display. Especially it being so flat.
As soon as this one comes out and lives up to the tests and expectations I am going to get myself 2 of these.

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1033

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/monitors/Samsung_172x_1.html

<edit: another link>

When I at look the picture of the package contents, it becomes clear why Apple has better designs. The Apple displays have only ONE cord that carrys the the signal and the power. That's one less power supply to hook up.

Another nice feature of the Apple display is that the power button controls the PowerMac. It's handy if you want to put the computer in a cabinet.

bousozoku
Feb 10, 2004, 10:23 PM
Is 1280x1024 really enough in a 17 or 19 inch monitor?

I keep looking at LCD monitors and think that it's seems a waste that they've got such low resolution.

Diatribe
Feb 10, 2004, 11:02 PM
When I at look the picture of the package contents, it becomes clear why Apple has better designs. The Apple displays have only ONE cord that carrys the the signal and the power. That's one less power supply to hook up.
Another nice feature of the Apple display is that the power button controls the PowerMac. It's handy if you want to put the computer in a cabinet.

I thought we aren't talking about Apple displays? Didn't the thread starter want sth. besides Apple?
Now I'm not saying that Apple does not have better Design than Samsung, or anyone else for that matter, but first of all are Apple's displays, how do I put it, not priced very competitively and second do they use old display technology.
So what's all the design for if they have slow response times etc.?

QCassidy352
Feb 11, 2004, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by Crikey
Dell has revamped their 20" LCD offering. It's not a work of art like Apple's LCDs, but it's on sale right now for $750 plus shipping:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?category_id=5194&k=&mnf=&brandid=&prst=&prEnd=&sku=320-1578&mnfsku=&SearchType=&Page=productlisting.aspx&spagenum=1&Pageb4Search=&InStock=&items_per_page=25&orderby=&mnfname=&brand=&SubmitSearch=&image_flag=True&refurbished=&c=us&l=en&cs=04&iCompatid=

Well, that URL as embedded on this page isn't working for me. Go to Dell (heh), click Small Business, Peripherals, and find the 20" 2001FP.

That might be the cheapest 1600x1200 LCD I've seen.

Cheers,

Crikey

that deal is unfortunately over as of yesterday... so that monitor is now $900 again. Which still isn't a bad price.

I must admit, the Dells are really nice, but I really like widescreen. Is there anyone but apple and formac who do widescreen?

QCassidy352
Feb 11, 2004, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by bousozoku
Is 1280x1024 really enough in a 17 or 19 inch monitor?

I keep looking at LCD monitors and think that it's seems a waste that they've got such low resolution.

I agree... the formac 1900 looks really nice, but 1280x1024 on a 19" monitor? why?

their 17" has the same res! what's up with that?

el coyote
Feb 11, 2004, 02:33 AM
OK, here it is in a nutshell:

The SHARP line of LCDs has been rated the best for color reproduction and image quality. Yes, better than the "professional" LCDs. Now, compared to the others, (Dell, Samsung, etc), Sharps may be a bit pricier, but considering you can pay $1400 for a pro lcd or $650 for a 19 inch that has been rated better than the pro, which way are you gonna go?

Next to the Sharps are the Samsung models. Good overall, look great and work well. Their color reproduction does not match the Sharp's. But it comes close. Good bang for your buck.

Next come the dells. These monitors come with a lot of bells and whistles. their color reproduction is slightly lower than the samsung's.

By the way, color reproduction is important if you do a lot of photo or film editiong and printing. Everyone knows that crts have the best color reproduction. Nothing beats them. But the sharps come amazingly close.

Now, bottom line; you can do a search for "the best monitor reviews" but what these reviews tend to focus on is the bang for your buck. In other words, does the monitor have speakers, how big is the footprint, can I rotate the screen for a portrait view?

Personally, I dont care for built in speakers. They are usually cheezy anyway and in my experience tend to blow out fast. As far as the monitor stand, and how easy it is to adjust, spend roughly $30 bucks, get a lcd mount, and presto! your very own wall or desk mounted lcd.

Hope this was of any help.

thecow
Feb 11, 2004, 06:00 AM
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/shownotes/story/0,24330,3603495,00.html
Look at the entry at the very bottom. It has a link to the company that makes the cinema displays that apple uses. Same screen in a different case.

kettle
Feb 11, 2004, 06:07 AM
Formac = zero dead pixel policy.

neonart
Feb 11, 2004, 08:10 AM
I don't think Formac does widescreen. Their resolutions show normal aspect ratios, 1280x1024 and 1600x1200. I find the taller 5:4 aspect ration more useful than widescreen. Games usually support the normal resolutions and not widescreen natively. Also most documents and web pages are "tall", not "wide", so you don't scroll as much.

The "low res" issue has been brought up many times. But the problem is marketing.
The vast majority of the people like "low res". I ask my not-so-geeky friends and they run really low resolutions on their CRT's and love the normal resolutions on their LCD's too. As people get older this become more of an issue with poor eyesight. On an LCD if you set the native resolution real high, you weed out these people who make a BIG portion of sales compared to the young guys who want 3200x2400 on a 15" screen.
My Formac 2010 is 16x12 and it's about as high-resolution as I would like. Anything smaller would make it hard to use.
I agree the 19" LCDs should have something higher than 12x10, but not 16x12... is there a resolution that fits in that gap?

Do any other specialized brands use higher res on their screens- maybe SGI or others...?

blackfox
Feb 19, 2004, 12:43 PM
Formac 1900...just beautiful...may be better spec'd monitors out there...but you look at your monitor everyday(I admit I'm an asthete...)...perfectly compliment macs...

Crikey
Feb 19, 2004, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by bousozoku
Is 1280x1024 really enough in a 17 or 19 inch monitor?

I keep looking at LCD monitors and think that it's seems a waste that they've got such low resolution.

I thought so, too. But my sweetie and I looked at a lot of LCDs when shopping for a monitor for her, and I thought the 19" 1280x1024 looked better than the 17" 1280x1024 -- enough to justify the extra cost (we got a Samsung 191T, which is pretty nice for the price). I actually offered to buy her the then-current Dell 2000FP (1600x1200), but she thought the display was just too dense (and the chassis too ugly).

What people like to look at depends on how young and healthy their eyes are. Most of the LCD users in my office run their 19" LCDs at 800x600 or 1024x768 rather than at the native 1280x1024.

Cheers!

Crikey