why dont liberals care about...

[squeeks]

Obama's terrorist connections?

just curious

this is not an anti Obama thread so, dont attack me, just tell me why no one seems to care about it, to me its kinda scary...

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot

[Queso]

Because liberals know that Obama is far from perfect....



...but still infinitely better than the negative, obsessive and downright incapable alternative.

[NT1440]

because wed rather focus on his plans and policies for the future rather than dwell on 40 years ago.

[FunkyMonkey]

Why can't McCain and friends focus on real issues?

[paddy]

Obama's terrorist connections?

just curious

this is not an anti Obama thread so, dont attack me, just tell me why no one seems to care about it, to me its kinda scary...

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot

Mother of God, what don't you people get? Are the Republicans who served on that education board guilty of "palling around with terrorists?".

My friends dad was a member of the IRA, I suppose I'm a terrorist now too?

What choice of advisors do you disagree with? That's a legitimate complaint, not that terr'rist bollocks.

[abijnk]

...and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot

Friends? Really? I guess this is the biggest thing to me. All of the evidence I've seen doesn't add up to "friends." I've had to interact with some pretty questionable characters in my short life, but that doesn't mean I liked it or deserve to be judged by it. Why should Obama be any different? Now, if there were actually some evidence out there that Obama is like-minded, then I would start getting worried, but from what I've seen that evidence simply doesn't exist.

[NT1440]

Also, why does the GOP seem so willing to overlook Mccains shady friends?

[Queso]

Also, why does the GOP seem so willing to overlook Mccains shady friends?
Or Bush's for that matter?

[Peace]

wasteland

Why don't YOU care about the hard work all the MODS do around here. You're contributing to it.

[mark!]

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot

These 'terrorists' are not his advisors.


PS.

Ayers and Khalidi are terrorists. (major premise)
All of Ayers and Khalidi's friends are terrorists. (minor premise)
Obama is friends with Ayers and Khalidi, and therefore a terrorist. (conclusion)

This is a deductive fallacy. Begging the question.

[squeeks]

Now, if there were actually some evidence out there that Obama is like-minded, then I would start getting worried, but from what I've seen that evidence simply doesn't exist.

see, thats the problem, we dont know enough about him to know his true self, if he would only hold office for more than a year before he started campaigning for the next, we could get a good feel for his real views on issues, rather than him just telling the american people what they want to hear

if it was just bill ayres, or just rev wright, that would be one thing, but it seems every week theres a new former terrorist that he is associated with...

and as far as Rev. Wright, he attended that church for 20 years TWENTY YEARS and only stopped when the negativity about it came out, this man just does what the public wants to see

i dont really like john McCain all that much, but he is a much better choice than a freshman senator that no one really knows

[miloblithe]

What terrorist connections? Seriously. These claims are ridiculous.

Wait. Reverend Wright is a terrorist?

Please define what a terrorist is.

[paddy]

i dont really like john McCain all that much, but he is a much better choice than a freshman senator that no one really knows

What don't you really know about him?

[Blue Velvet]

Obama's terrorist connections?

They're not connections like in the way you think. I used to work with a guy that was arrested for stalking a colleague. That doesn't make me a stalker.

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors

Did you watch the final debate? He sat there, in front of the American people and said:

OBAMA: Bob, I think it's going to be important to just -- I'll respond to these two particular allegations that Senator McCain has made and that have gotten a lot of attention.

In fact, Mr. Ayers has become the centerpiece of Senator McCain's campaign over the last two or three weeks. This has been their primary focus. So let's get the record straight. Bill Ayers is a professor of education in Chicago.

Forty years ago, when I was 8 years old, he engaged in despicable acts with a radical domestic group. I have roundly condemned those acts. Ten years ago he served and I served on a school reform board that was funded by one of Ronald Reagan's former ambassadors and close friends, Mr. Annenberg.

Other members on that board were the presidents of the University of Illinois, the president of Northwestern University, who happens to be a Republican, the president of The Chicago Tribune, a Republican- leaning newspaper.

Mr. Ayers is not involved in my campaign. He has never been involved in this campaign. And he will not advise me in the White House. So that's Mr. Ayers.

Now, with respect to ACORN, ACORN is a community organization. Apparently what they've done is they were paying people to go out and register folks, and apparently some of the people who were out there didn't really register people, they just filled out a bunch of names.

It had nothing to do with us. We were not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.

Now, the reason I think that it's important to just get these facts out is because the allegation that Senator McCain has continually made is that somehow my associations are troubling.

Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. If I'm interested in figuring out my foreign policy, I associate myself with my running mate, Joe Biden or with Dick Lugar, the Republican ranking member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, or General Jim Jones, the former supreme allied commander of NATO.

Those are the people, Democrats and Republicans, who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House. And I think the fact that this has become such an important part of your campaign, Senator McCain, says more about your campaign than it says about me.


Remember also that he's been endorsed by former Secretary of State, Colin Powell... a large number of national republican figures and a number of newspaper boards. I could go on... but I won't.

One important question: If I wanted to find out about you, would I go to you or your friends, or would I listen to your enemies? It's all trash talk.

He's been in the public eye for two years and has a record in the Senate. What don't you know about him?

[NT1440]

see, thats the problem, we dont know enough about him to know his true self, if he would only hold office for more than a year before he started campaigning for the next, we could get a good feel for his real views on issues, rather than him just telling the american people what they want to hear

if it was just bill ayres, or just rev wright, that would be one thing, but it seems every week theres a new former terrorist that he is associated with...

and as far as Rev. Wright, he attended that church for 20 years TWENTY YEARS and only stopped when the negativity about it came out, this man just does what the public wants to see

i dont really like john McCain all that much, but he is a much better choice than a freshman senator that no one really knows

To say no one knows anything about Obama is a pathetic argument. There has been just as much, if not more, scrutiny and looking into his past than any other presidential candidate. Weve had two friggin years to get to know him.

[Iscariot]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's because Obama doesn't have any.

[Thomas Veil]

The whole "palling around with terrorists" thing is dumb.

Friend of my family, he's the biggest Democrat you ever saw. You think we give Republicans a hard time? You should hear this guy.

Anyway, the way I heard the story, he was in some kind of federal office one day, and he made one of his intemperate cracks about -- I don't want to use the exact words, you never know who's listening -- about how someone "needs to" place a firearm projectile in Bush's cranium.

And he was overheard and reported to DHS, and now he's on the government's no-fly list.

Now, I know this guy. He's all mouth, he's just extremely biased. On top of everything else, he's so physically feeble he'd never get within 10 miles of Washington, let alone Dubya.

So: even though he's not a close friend of the family, by the same standard people like Palin apply to Obama, I am supposedly buddying up to a would-be terrorist.

It's that dumb.

[squeeks]

alright, fair enough

we'll see what happens

[Anuba]

Obama's terrorist connections?

just curious

this is not an anti Obama thread so, dont attack me, just tell me why no one seems to care about it, to me its kinda scary...

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot
If these so-called terrorist "connections" were of any, ANY importance, do you really think that two former presidents (Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter), two former vice presidents (Al Gore, Walter Mondale), 64 U.S. senators and former senators, 24 governors, 22 former governors, two former secretaries of state (Colin Powell, Madeline Albright), 74 Nobel laureates and thousands of other prominent figures in politics and business, along with hundreds of newspapers (including Financial Times), would put their good names on the line for Obama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_endorsements#Primary_campaign_endorsements)?

Do you know something they don't? Are you way more intelligent, experienced, wise and observant than all these people? Then why aren't you running for president?

[abijnk]

if it was just bill ayres, or just rev wright, that would be one thing, but it seems every week theres a new former terrorist that he is associated with...


Apparently it comes down to what you think "associations" mean. To me an association is someone you are not close to and who you have happened to be in a class, on a board, or in a volunteer organization with.

I sat in classes for 12 years with someone who is now a convicted drug felon. I've even been to his house in the past. What does that say about me? Nothing.

Also, I take issue with your statement that all we know about him is what he tells us. Look at his record and find the extremism that points to his faults in character that have supposedly come out of these questionable associations. And I don't mean finding votes that you disagree with, I mean votes that point to tendencies for racial bias, terrorist tendencies, etc.

Lastly, I find it absolutely stunning that people think McCain's hands are cleaner than Obama's. McCain has just as many "questionable associations," even to Bill Ayers. What's more, McCain had a relationship that can actually be proven to have been a close friendship to Charles Keating, but no one on the right seems to mind. Why is that, tell me?

[Cave Man]

Did you watch the final debate? He sat there, in front of the American people and said:

<snip Obama quotation...>


Sheesh. There you go again, using facts and stuff. What's this country coming to?

[mactastic]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's because Obama doesn't have any.
Nail, meet hammer.

Seriously, this "terrorist connection" (Somewhere you'll find it, the terrorist connection/ the lovers, the dreamers, and meeeee...) is the clearest sign of desperation on the part of the GOP.

It's just sad that they're willing to sink to these depths in their quest for power, no matter what the cost to the nation. It's almost as if they put party before country...

[Blue Velvet]

And the other thing... you think the Secret Service, the CIA and the FBI wouldn't be investigating him if these 'associations' mattered?

[skunk]

Then why aren't you running for president?We don't really know who Squeeks is, that's why.

[jplan2008]

Why don't conservatives care about ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-dinges/mccain-meets-a-bloody-dic_b_137422.html

McCain described the meeting with Pinochet "as friendly and at times warm, but noted that Pinochet does seem obsessed with the threat of communism." McCain, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee at the time, made no public or private statements critical of the dictatorship, nor did he meet with members of the democratic opposition in Chile, as far as could be determined from a thorough check of U.S. and Chilean newspaper records and interviews with top opposition leaders.

At the time of the meeting, in the late afternoon of December 30, the U.S. Justice Department was seeking the extradition of two close Pinochet associates for an act of terrorism in Washington DC, the 1976 assassination of former ambassador to the U.S. and former Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier. The car bombing on Sheridan Circle in the U.S. capital was widely described at the time as the most egregious act of international terrorism perpetrated on U.S. soil by a foreign power.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/102300/mccain's_dirty_domestic_terrorism_associations/

In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

McCain has befriended a convicted felon, and his many houses were purchased due to the fortune of convicted criminal Jim Helmsley, his father-in-law.

The woman is “the Great Whore,” Mr. Hagee explains, and she is drinking “the blood of the Jewish people.” That’s because the Great Whore represents “the Roman Church,” which, in his view, has thirsted for Jewish blood throughout history, from the Crusades to the Holocaust.

Mr. Hagee didn’t make that claim in obscure circumstances, either. He broadcast it on one of America’s most widely heard radio programs, “Fresh Air” on NPR, back in September 2006. He reaffirmed it in a radio interview less than two weeks ago. Only after a reporter asked Mr. McCain about this Katrina homily on April 24 did the candidate brand it as “nonsense” and the preacher retract it.

Mr. McCain says he does not endorse any of Mr. Hagee’s calumnies, any more than Barack Obama endorses Mr. Wright’s. But those who try to give Mr. McCain a pass for his embrace of a problematic preacher have a thin case. It boils down to this: Mr. McCain was not a parishioner for 20 years at Mr. Hagee’s church.

That defense implies, incorrectly, that Mr. McCain was a passive recipient of this bigot’s endorsement. In fact, by his own account, Mr. McCain sought out Mr. Hagee, who is perhaps best known for trying to drum up a pre-emptive “holy war” with Iran. (This preacher’s rantings may tell us more about Mr. McCain’s policy views than Mr. Wright’s tell us about Mr. Obama’s.)

We’re not just talking about borderline-controversial comments from a South Carolina activist. McCain hired Quinn despite a disturbing record that includes Quinn condemning Martin Luther King, Jr., describing Nelson Mandela as a “terrorist,” and discounting the evils of slavery.

Quinn can believe as he pleases, but how does McCain justify hiring him as a top-level campaign staffer — twice?

McCain "does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face," Begala concluded.

And what is the U.S. Council for World Freedom? To its credit, the AP ran an interesting report on the subject this morning.

GOP presidential nominee John McCain has past connections to a private group that supplied aid to guerrillas seeking to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua in the Iran-Contra affair.

McCain's ties are facing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Barack Obama for his link to a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The group was dedicated to stamping out communism around the globe.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub created the group, and McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s, ultimately joining its board of directors.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom became controversial when it became the public cover for the White House's covert operation to fund the Contras without congressional approval, with Singlaub working in secret with Oliver North to raise money from foreign governments.

McCain has said he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked that his name be removed from the group's letterhead in 1986. Singlaub doesn't remember McCain ever doing that, and neither does the person who ran the group's day-to-day activities.

But whether McCain is being truthful or not about how, whether, and when he dissociated himself from the group is only part of the problem. Sam Stein explained in a good piece that the real focus here is that McCain associated himself "with a group that reportedly circumvented law, financed right-wing military institutions, and engaged in sometimes brutal anti-communist tactics."

Obama has spent quite a bit of time over the last two years explaining his associations with various figures. Perhaps McCain could extend voters the same courtesy by explaining his ties to this controversial group.
http://www.juancole.com/2008/10/mccain-funded-righwing-contra-death.html

Contras Ask U.S. Citizens For Help
BYLINE: By RICHARD COLE, Associated Press Writer

Contra leaders have postponed peace talks with the leftist Nicaraguan goverment and are asking Americans to donate money to help fund their civil war because Congress rejected military aid....

Contributions already have been received from presidential candidate Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., and from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Dole gave $500 and McCain $400."



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml

while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_connections_coming_back_to_haunt_1007.html

...a delegate who represented McCain at this year's Republican convention and previously expressed sympathy for an activist accused of shooting a doctor who performed abortions.

Applying the same logic as Sarah Palin, one could argue that the members of the GOP ticket are "palling around" with abortion clinic attack sympathizers, supporters of right-wing militants, perpetrators of political espionage and revolutionaries seeking to secede from the United States.

... McCain's opposition to a 1994 law that made it a federal crime to bomb or blockade abortion clinics or to attack abortion doctors. McCain's vote against the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act put him in league with the Senate's most radical anti-abortion advocates, who split with more than two dozen anti-abortion senators who voted to crack down on clinic bombers as a matter of preserving law & order.

What's received less notice is where McCain was a few months before casting that vote.

In August 1993, McCain traveled to the Pacific Northwest where he earned the illustrious distinction of becoming the first major politician to address the ultra-far-right Oregon Citizens Alliance. He was apparently making good on a promise he had made to the group the year before as he and other GOP leaders negotiated to prevent the Christian conservatives from running a third-party candidate against Sen. Bob Packwood, who would resign a few years later amid a sex scandal.

The OCA attracted national attention in 1992 for sponsoring an anti-gay ballot initiative in Oregon, and McCain ignored advice to steer clear of the gathering. At the Portland fundraiser, McCain gently admonished the group to observe the "essence of tolerance," according to contemporaneous news reports.

His speech was preceded by some kind words for an anti-abortion activist accused of shooting a doctor....

[squeeks]

Speaking of Obama and William Clinton, their rally tonight is only a mile and a half down the road from my house..no im not going Obama isnt even speaking until 11pm!!

[mysterytramp]

Why don't conservatives care about ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/02/politics/animal/main4407224.shtml

[QUOTE]while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time.

"We are a state's rights party," Clark -- a self-employed goldminer -- tells ABC News. The AIP has "a plank that challenges the legality of the Alaskan statehood vote as illegal and in violation of United Nations charter and international law."

OMG. Sarah Palin is a terrorist!

Who knew?

Why doesn't the GOP care?

mt

[wordmunger]

To actually answer your question:

I'm not concerned because Bill Ayers is now a contributing member of society. He in fact had a fairly legitimate gripe back in the 1960s, but he chose the wrong way to try to affect change. Obama had nothing to do with those misguided actions. Obama worked with him on some community projects later on, and he has explained the nature of that working relationship -- there's clearly no cause for alarm -- Ayers isn't going to harm anyone today.

The other so-called terrorists are nothing of the sort. They're harmless academics.

To say Obama "pals around with terrorists" is at best an exaggeration and at worst a bald-faced lie. It says more about those making the accusations than Obama.

[freeny]

Its OK if your a Republican.

The End.

[yg17]

My cousin's husband is a teacher at University of Chicago, same school as Bill Ayers. Does that make him, my cousin, and me a terrorist too? :rolleyes:

[SMM]

I find it amazing anyone would fall for this Obama - Ayers - Terrorist drivel. Others have already made many solid, factual posts debunking the validity, or ill-founded logic on this subject. So, there is no need for me to rehash the same points. But, I will chime-in with agreement.

[MacNoobie]

Obama's terrorist connections?

just curious

this is not an anti Obama thread so, dont attack me, just tell me why no one seems to care about it, to me its kinda scary...

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot


Because it'd be the biggest fluke in American history imagine if we went through all this, elected a president and hes like SURPRISE you elected a terrorist mofo I got ties to all these organizations etc.

Dont worry Obama's terrorist ties are the least of our worries what happens when he tries to punish hard working whites in this country and funnel money into those "less fortunate/minorities" which means blacks/hispanics/gangs/crime/drugs etc?

Even if Obama preaches about being one and working together he still owes it to African Americans to support their causes a little more.

[skunk]

Dont worry Obama's terrorist ties are the least of our worries what happens when he tries to punish hard working whites in this country and funnel money into those "less fortunate/minorities" which means blacks/hispanics/gangs/crime/drugs etc?

Even if Obama preaches about being one and working together he still owes it to African Americans to support their causes a little more.Your open racism is becoming highly offensive.

[Queso]

Because it'd be the biggest fluke in American history imagine if we went through all this, elected a president and hes like SURPRISE you elected a terrorist mofo I got ties to all these organizations etc.
Yes, because in the extremely unlikely event that any future President were to do that Congress and the Senate would instantly back them rather than commencing impeachment proceedings, wouldn't they?

How old are you BTW? Is this by any chance your first election?

Oh and..
Your open racism is becoming highly offensive.
What he said.

[MacNoobie]

Your open racism is becoming highly offensive.

Nope cant play the race card anymore when we're on the verge of electing the nations first African American president. Seriously the cards been used so much by Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton that I don't think I really give a care about labels anymore.

Remember if we had any organization for only whites To 'advance' OUR lives,
....We'd be racists. Then why is that in this great country of ours land of opportunity in which African Americans are the most free and capable that the NAACP exists?

[MacNoobie]

Yes, because in the extremely unlikely event that any future President were to do that Congress and the Senate would instantly back them rather than commencing impeachment proceedings, wouldn't they?

How old are you BTW? Is this by any chance your first election?

Oh and..

What he said.


Well of course a prospective president wouldn't go all that way and then suddenly reveal his true self after he's elected everyone would kick his ass out to the curb instantly. We'll see it in Obama's actions along the next 4 years honestly and yeah after Obama's had a rough time with international issues I'm sure people will still say at least he was better then Bush.

And I'm old enough to vote thats all you need to be concerned about and no I didnt vote for the other 2 jackasses in the last 8 years.

[Queso]

You really don't get it do you? Those organisations are there because historically African Americans and other ethnic groups within the USA have been overlooked in favour of the white majority. The organisations are there to promote the needs of those groups to ensure that in the future this imbalance is lessened.

Besides, if you really were "hard-working" why isn't your name on the ballot? Surely such a paragon of American values would win the Presidency by a landslide? Or are you really just spouting nonsense to make up for the fact America appears to have for the moment turned away from your self-centred way of thinking?

And I'm old enough to vote thats all you need to be concerned about and no I didnt vote for the other 2 jackasses in the last 8 years.
Because you weren't old enough. Thanks for the confirmation.

[MacNoobie]

You really don't get it do you? Those organisations are there because historically African Americans and other ethnic groups within the USA have been overlooked in favour of the white majority. The organisations are there to promote the needs of those groups to ensure that in the future this imbalance is lessened.

Besides, if you really were "hard-working" why isn't your name on the ballot? Surely such a paragon of American values would win the Presidency by a landslide? Or are you really just spouting nonsense to make up for the fact America appears to have for the moment turned away from your self-centred way of thinking?


Because you weren't old enough. Thanks for the confirmation.

Yeah historically but its 2008 and we're on the verge of electing this nations first ever African American president and I'm sorry to say that in this day and age African Americans have all the opportunity in the world. In the past decade or so we've given more support to minorities and made more opportunities available for them and I'm sorry but I know how minorities will repay whites in the future if they're not causing our financial networks to crumble, remember it was Fannie Mae that wanted to give out loans to people with no assets, no income, nothing and all it took was 6% of them to crash the other 94% and Freddie Mac followed but I guess for the sake of argument we'll "blame Bush" as we all do. So out of those 6% of toxic loans I wonder how many were to minorities and no I don't mean to sound racist but I merely wonder how many people were of color that were given loans that both they and the banks knew they couldn't repay?

I'm not on the ballot because I don't want to get into western democracy where old people/idiots run our country.. there are plenty to go around from well educated ivy league book worms that replaced common sense with all that knowledge to redneck idiots. I don't hide behind anything when I speak and I lay it out on the table no matter how politically incorrect or unpopular it may be and its up to you if its self centered or not because in the end only time will tell if what I say is at least partially true. Believe me just like a boat turning 1 degree off course for the period of hundreds of miles can lead to being majorly off course this country's system will come crumbling down.

If you and I dont see it then maybe our future generations will.

[Peterkro]

Yeah historically but its 2008 and we're on the verge of electing this nations first ever African American president and I'm sorry to say that in this day and age African Americans have all the opportunity in the world. In the past decade or so we've given more support to minorities and made more opportunities available for them and I'm sorry but I know how minorities will repay whites in the future if they're not causing our financial networks to crumble, remember it was Fannie Mae that wanted to give out loans to people with no assets, no income, nothing and all it took was 6% of them to crash the other 94% and Freddie Mac followed but I guess for the sake of argument we'll "blame Bush" as we all do. So out of those 6% of toxic loans I wonder how many were to minorities and no I don't mean to sound racist but I merely wonder how many people were of color that were given loans that both they and the banks knew they couldn't repay?

Your racist drivel is a embarrassment to yourself,your country and your species. Catch yourself on.

[MacNoobie]

Your racist drivel is a embarrassment to yourself,your country and your species. Catch yourself on.

How is it racist drivel I'm merely making an observation for the sake of argument that certain people due to their character and traits exhibit certain signs, not all but a lot that are in important positions. The fact that it just so happens that they're of darker skin color is no consequence to me. It makes it easier to refer to them as African Americans/Black then characters of certain traits.

[yoppie]

It's a crazy day on MacRumors when you can get banned or have your posts removed for calling someone silly or an idiot but yet be allowed to post racist and highly offensive nonsense all day long without punishment.

I will be so happy when the election is over and there's no more McCain v. Obama debate. Some of these posts are getting out of hand.

[MacNoobie]

It's a crazy day on MacRumors when you can get banned or have your posts removed for calling someone silly or an idiot but yet be allowed to post racist and highly offensive nonsense all day long without punishment.

I will be so happy when the election is over and there's no more McCain v. Obama debate. Some of these posts are getting out of hand.


I'm merely opening up dialog for discussion on a subject I feel strongly about, if you take it up as racist (which is totally pointless btw) and want to side step the issue and disregard it as highly offensive nonsense then that's your prerogative. Would it be less offensive and not as much nonsense if I had talked about 2 white people in the same situation?

[chilipie]

How is it racist drivel I'm merely making an observation for the sake of argument that certain people due to their character and traits exhibit certain signs, not all but a lot that are in important positions. The fact that it just so happens that they're of darker skin color is no consequence to me. It makes it easier to refer to them as African Americans/Black then characters of certain traits.

You equated giving money to Black/Hispanic communities with funding "gangs/crime/drugs etc". That would be racist drivel.

[MacNoobie]

You equated giving money to Black/Hispanic communities with funding "gangs/crime/drugs etc". That would be racist drivel.

Because there are a certain percent that do illegal activities/form gangs/etc, same with whites but it seems to be that the percentage among minorities is higher even if a fraction of a percent for example. Had I said that ALL minorities commit crimes/drugs/etc then it'd be racist drivel.

[chilipie]

Because there are a certain percent that do illegal activities/form gangs/etc, same with whites but it seems to be that the percentage among minorities is higher even if a fraction of a percent for example. Had I said that ALL minorities commit crimes/drugs/etc then it'd be racist drivel.

So it's not racist because you'd only been racist about a select few minorities?

[Queso]

Yeah historically but its 2008 and we're on the verge of electing this nations first ever African American president and I'm sorry to say that in this day and age African Americans have all the opportunity in the world. In the past decade or so we've given more support to minorities and made more opportunities available for them and I'm sorry but I know how minorities will repay whites in the future if they're not causing our financial networks to crumble, remember it was Fannie Mae that wanted to give out loans to people with no assets, no income, nothing and all it took was 6% of them to crash the other 94% and Freddie Mac followed but I guess for the sake of argument we'll "blame Bush" as we all do. So out of those 6% of toxic loans I wonder how many were to minorities and no I don't mean to sound racist but I merely wonder how many people were of color that were given loans that both they and the banks knew they couldn't repay?

I'm not on the ballot because I don't want to get into western democracy where old people/idiots run our country.. there are plenty to go around from well educated ivy league book worms that replaced common sense with all that knowledge to redneck idiots. I don't hide behind anything when I speak and I lay it out on the table no matter how politically incorrect or unpopular it may be and its up to you if its self centered or not because in the end only time will tell if what I say is at least partially true. Believe me just like a boat turning 1 degree off course for the period of hundreds of miles can lead to being majorly off course this country's system will come crumbling down.

If you and I dont see it then maybe our future generations will.
Your thinking is simply perverse and I only hope you learn to grow out of it.

[MacNoobie]

Obama's terrorist connections?

just curious

this is not an anti Obama thread so, dont attack me, just tell me why no one seems to care about it, to me its kinda scary...

it seems to me the biggest thing about being president is surrounding yourself with good advisors, and so far his choice in friends doesn't seem so hot

Surprise Surprise =)

[chilipie]

Surprise Surprise =)

What's your point?

[yg17]

I'm a terrorist too because my cousin's husband works at University of Chicago, same school where Ayers teaches, so Obama's terrorist connections don't concern me because us terrorists stick together. :rolleyes:

[freeny]

if this election has done anything, it has brought the retards out of their closets.

[djellison]

I don't mean to sound racist but ...

You are.

[Blue Velvet]

It's a crazy day on MacRumors when you can get banned or have your posts removed for calling someone silly or an idiot but yet be allowed to post racist and highly offensive nonsense all day long without punishment.


This is how it works. There are thousands of posts and threads here on MR, hundreds of people posting each day... yet only a handful of moderators around at any time. Some of them don't care about this forum, much as I don't look into iPhone Accessories that often. We don't read every thread, particularly here in the Politics forum.

We rely on you — the entire community — to police these forums because it is your space. We might be the ones who push the buttons to make things happen, but we need eyes and ears to bring things to our attention. So, in that sense, MacRumor's forums are self-policed.

Anyway, this thread has clearly run its course. The OP asked a question, lots of people answered, the OP said:

alright, fair enough

we'll see what happens

Watching this thread then spin off into race-based scapegoating, slurs and paranoia qualifies it for immediate closure.