Will Kerry make a good pres? Wins Wash today!

[acidrock]

Kerry won Wash today and was wondering what you guys think of him. It's been hard for me to follow the political coverage because they are working on the network at school and i can't tune into npr. I've been reading articles here and there but I really know nothing about Kerry except that he's a senator from Mass. I hadn't heard about him pre-Iowa so that was quite a shock. Anyway please tell me what you guys think of him. I just want someone that will beat bush, and if it came down to Kerry against Bush I'd totally vote for him -n

[sethypoo]

I'm going for Dean.....he has the best educational plan and, well, he seems the most "normal" of the politicians running for President.

This thread really should be moved to the Political forums.

[MrMacMan]

Topic gets moved in...

3...2...1

:rolleyes:

[Dippo]

I think this belongs here -> Political Forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=47)

[Awimoway]

Surprised this hasn't been moved yet. I think Kerry is a little on the pompous side. I also think that legislators make terrible presidential candidates. He's a dull arrogant waffler.

I am still for Dean, but apparently that puts me in the extreme minority in every state.

Sigh.

[miloblithe]

Dean's done. It's amazing what a little scream can do.

Have you all heard the dance mixes?

[gwuMACaddict]

Originally posted by sethypoo
I'm going for Dean.....he has the best educational plan and, well, he seems the most "normal" of the politicians running for President.


all i have to say about that is:


YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGG!

:(

[gwuMACaddict]

Originally posted by miloblithe
Have you all heard the dance mixes?

yes, freakin hillarious :D

[Chip NoVaMac]

I like Dean (my liberal side) and Clark (my conservative side). Kerry is OK, and would vote for him over Bush (where are the WMD, why 500+ dead, 3000+ wounded or maimed in the "war" on Iraq?) in a heart beat. But he seems to be molding himself to the polls too much.

I may not agree with Bush and his agenda, but at least he stayed behind his beliefs regardless of the polls; much how i view Dean and Clark. This alone does not make him fit to be president. At least I can give him respect.

OT but, I think the whole process due to the media and the internet needs to be changed. The primaries need to be a national primary. Doing it the way we do now, it is a process by sound bites. We are a nation of lemmings. No one wants to back a loser. So Kerry will win the nomination unless there is an Eagleton or Hart moment. Only because the intial primaries seem to indicate he is the way to go, whether or not that is true.

If todays polls are any indication I hope that none of the primary losers decide a third party run. That could hurt the Democrats in the end.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Originally posted by miloblithe
Dean's done. It's amazing what a little scream can do.

Have you all heard the dance mixes?

I am not sure that the "scream" was all that bad. You have to look at the audience he was addressing. Again it was the media that bit the apple and ran wit it. That is why i support a national primary. Small moments like this would not over shadow the message. I would rather take the "scream" than some one that is trying to recreate a legacy from the 1992 elections. * years passed since Bush I lost and Bush II won (albeit with the help of the Supreme Court - before the conservatives get all up in arms, you have to admit that you would feel the same way if the roles were reversed).

Where can I find the mix of the "scream"?

[MrMacMan]

If you noticed in the scream speech, Dead had a microphone, which was a direct feed into the video lines ... THAT made it seem like he was screaming.

At the actual political rally the 'yyeeaahh' couldn't even be heard, there were too many screaming people, only on the Microphone was the last 1/3 of his speach heard, he gets drowned out, not the other way around.


ABC has a story from a video feed that didn't have the mike plugged into the audio, he was totally drowned out.

[Awimoway]

Nobody cares. People just like to mock and marginalize--the truth and the country be damned.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Chip NoVaMac
..but at least he stayed behind his beliefs regardless of the polls; much how i view Dean and Clark.

this is kind of the opposite way that i see clark... i think he lied about supporting the war initially.. i personally have no problem with a person changing their mind... realizing their being wrong, or whatever... but don't deny that you supported the war when you testified basically saying it was a necessary war.....

overall, i like kerry. dean's cool in that he's so "normal" and doesn't look right in a suit... edwards is the most positive of them all... doesn't resort to attacks that i've seen...

[numediaman]

acidrock, go to www.presidentmatch.com and take the survey. The site asks a series of questions on issues and priorities, and then matches you to a candidate.

I recommend not eliminating any party or candidate to get better and more complete results.

The survey is flawed, in my opinion, but interesting and useful, nonetheless.

[Neserk]

Mickey Mouse would be better than Bush. That being said my only concern so far with Kerry is that he opposes gay marriages. That is fine if it is a personal belief and not one he takes to the white house. But if he plans to continue this silly ammendment to define marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman I will strongly oppose him while he is in the white house. Meaning I will advocate against it.

But I will not vote on 1 issue. I just chided my own mother for doing that!

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
this is kind of the opposite way that i see clark... i think he lied about supporting the war initially.. i personally have no problem with a person changing their mind... realizing their being wrong, or whatever... but don't deny that you supported the war when you testified basically saying it was a necessary war.....

overall, i like kerry. dean's cool in that he's so "normal" and doesn't look right in a suit... edwards is the most positive of them all... doesn't resort to attacks that i've seen...

I believe you are wrong about Clark. Here is a good article (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/7720784.htm) about Clark and his supposed support for the war:

"What I was saying then is what I'm saying today. That Saddam Hussein was not an imminent threat. That actions contemplated against Saddam Hussein did not constitute pre-emptive war, contrary to what the Bush administration was saying, because there was no imminent threat. Was he troublesome? Sure. Was he a threat? Eventually, sure. Was the clock ticking in the two-year, five-year, eight-year time period? Sure. Did we have to do this? NO."

I would also encourage you to read Elizabeth Drew's article (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16795) on Clark in which she writes about the General and charges against him.

Clark showed his inexperience with the political press and its propensity to pounce on any seeming contradiction when, on a plane on the second night of his campaign, he engaged in the type of unguarded, freewheeling policy discussion that he was accustomed to having with military reporters, and speculated that he might have voted for the war resolution. But Clark always was in favor of diplomacy and using the threat of war as a last resort. In a conversation with me, Michael Gordon, the New York Times military reporter, said that he talked to Clark in the months leading up to the war and that "he was consistently skeptical that Iraq presented an urgent threat." And when Clark was working as a nonpartisan CNN analyst, he made it clear privately that he thought the US_attack was mistaken. He now calls the administration's deceptive promotion of the war an "outrage." In his recent book, Winning Modern Wars: Iraq, Terrorism, and the American Empire, he strongly criticizes the administration's failure to plan for the postwar violence and disorder. He has argued that the US should try to transfer both military and civil authority in Iraq to the United Nations.

For me the most important issue of the Presidential election is the war in Iraq and ending Bush's doctrine of preemptive war. I would gladly campaign for Clark if he is the nominee given his record on these issues.

[yamabushi]

Economic decisions are most important to me since they will affect the quality of life of all. I don't agree with the economic plan of any of the top candidates but Kerry's plan is the closest fit.

[acidrock]

Originally posted by numediaman
acidrock, go to www.presidentmatch.com and take the survey. The site asks a series of questions on issues and priorities, and then matches you to a candidate.

I recommend not eliminating any party or candidate to get better and more complete results.

The survey is flawed, in my opinion, but interesting and useful, nonetheless.

hey I did the test, one of the presidents it came up with had dropped out I think and the other was kerry. You guys should try it it's really neat. -n

[Chip NoVaMac]

Originally posted by Neserk
Mickey Mouse would be better than Bush. That being said my only concern so far with Kerry is that he opposes gay marriages. That is fine if it is a personal belief and not one he takes to the white house. But if he plans to continue this silly ammendment to define marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman I will strongly oppose him while he is in the white house. Meaning I will advocate against it.

But I will not vote on 1 issue. I just chided my own mother for doing that!

I have hopes on Kerry with this issue. Given how polarizing gay marriage is, I think that Kerry was smart to distance himself from it at this time. He could have a "change of heart" after getting into the White House.