[Merged] What to expect from third generation of iPod touch?

[DHarrisDBS34]

they better lower the price and do 16GB for $199. It doesn't make sense for the iphone to be more expensive than the touch.

The only way I see them doing that now is if the nano gets a memory bump up to 32 GB. Even then I don't know. The iPhone has a contract so costs a ton more in the long run than an iPod Touch.

[iParis]

they better lower the price and do 16GB for $199. It doesn't make sense for the iphone to be more expensive than the touch.

NOT going to happen. I could see them dropping the 8GB and bringing 16GB to $229, but not all the way down to the top iPod nano.

[Patrick J]

A new iPhone is announced with specs up to par with the Pre, so next the 3rd iteration of the iPod touch will definately get the same or better hardware updates.

So the new Iphone is announced with a PowerVR SVX graphics chip, and 256mb up from 128 in the original iPhone and iPhone 3G — as well as a faster processor running at 600MHz, compared to 412MHz in the first two iterations of the device. The second-generation iPod touch also sports a faster processor than that found in the first two generations of iPhone, running at 532MHz.

This isn't quite true, as apart from the new iPhone 3GS, all the older devices hace the same CPU, albeit underclocked to save battery life.

In an interview with Pocket Gamer, Michael Schade, CEO of Fishlabs, an iPhone and mobile games developer, said the iPhone 3G S's support for the OpenGL ES 2.0 API will push the machine's 3D graphics capabilities beyond that of the PSP.

Here is Half life on the PC - the current iPod touch/iPhone hardware supports this (naturally iPod touch 2nd gen will run faster due to underclocked CPU in the others).
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/6/half-life-1.jpg

Here is Half-Life 2 on PC. The 3GS GPU (according to this site (http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/06/iphone-3gs-gpu.html)) has all the features required to do this.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2009/6/half-life-2.jpg


Presumably, the 3rd generation iPod touch, when released in September (yes, I know we can't be sure yet, but we can assume past reasonable doubt), will have the same CPU+3D Graphics chip as the iPhone 3GS, or even better (it might leapfrog the iPhone again).

Of course, this is all presuming that the iPod touch 3rd gen (or even the 3GS) has a PowerVR SGX 545 instead of the less capable SGX520/530/531/535/540?

If not then, according to PowerVR's marketing materials, the iPhone 3GS is not capable of OpenCL level programmability.

Quote from PowerVR SGX tearsheet:

"API Support (Series5 and Series5XT)
PVR2D for legacy 2D Support (BLTs, ROP2/3/4), OpenVG 1.1
enabling Flash and SVG, OpenWF enabling advanced compositing,
OpenGL ES 1.1 + Extension Pack and OpenGL ES 2.0, OpenCL
Embedded Profile and Full Profile (SGX545) for GP-GPU, Desktop
OpenGL 2.0 (SGX535/545) and 3.0 (SGX545) and Microsoft Direct3D
Mobile, DirectX9 (SGX535/545) and 10.1 (SGX545)."


AnandTech thinks it's an SGX520 (http://anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=3) (the lowest offering)

Even so,

In its lowest end configuration with only one USSE pipe running at 200MHz, the SGX can push through 7M triangles per second and render 250M pixels per second. That’s 7x the geometry throughput of the iPhone 3G and 2.5x the fill rate. Even if the SGX ran at half that speed, we’d still be at 3.5x the geometry performance of the iPhone 3G and a 25% increase in fill rate.

Before someone tears down the iPhone 3GS, we can't be sure. What we do know is that it is a Power-VR that is Open GL 2.0 ES compliant. Also, note that Anand is talking about the reference design from Power VR, not the actual Apple chip design. There can be some differences in performance between the two.

Also, :apple: will definately include compass (for added game controls, as an example: a compass adds yaw in flight simulators as well as existing tilt and pitch), and might include a built in microphone for voice control. Definately no GPS, camera (video or not) or telecom radio. Oh and maybe an oleophobic screen (http://www.9to5mac.com/oleophobic-screen-iphone-3gs) :p

Greets, Patrick

Sources:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/06/iphone-3gs-gpu.html
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/09/iphone_3g_s_to_use_powervr_sgx_gpu_core_for_opengl_es_2_0.html
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iphone-3g-s-supports-opengl-es-2-0-but-3g-only-supports-1-1/
http://anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3579&p=3

[Sasuke-chan]

I wonder if there are any chances that the third gen will come with vibration! It would be cool for games.. and alarm!

[dwb1133]

Definately no GPS, camera (video or not) or telecom radio. Oh and maybe an oleophobic screen (http://www.9to5mac.com/oleophobic-screen-iphone-3gs) :p


Why do you think there will "definately" be no camera? Ive seen all sorts of sepculation about this and to me it seems Apple may want to unify thier product line as they did with the pros. The addition of a camera to the touch would also allow for inproved sales at the app store (Admittedly only relevent if the averaged revenue from apps is greater than the cost of the camera).

For the record, I am hoping you're right. I work at a facility that doesnt allow cameras so if they do have one Ill have to live with the second gen...
Just after your perspective.

Thanks

[bndoarn]

Definately no GPS, camera (video or not) or telecom radio. Oh and maybe an oleophobic screen (http://www.9to5mac.com/oleophobic-screen-iphone-3gs)

why do you say that? i think there is a small miniscule possibility of GPS because many apps in the app store use GPS and the new TomTom app coming out. also there have already been rumors about a camera being on it.

[afurry13]

The new iphone in fact DOES have an oleophobic screen. Get your facts right scrub.

[bndoarn]

The new iphone in fact DOES have an oleophobic screen. Get your facts right scrub.

yea, for some reason i was thinking OLED screen. idk what i was doing.

[adbe]

My Doubts:
- Magnetometer; They probably won't include this just to differentiate from the iPhone.


Apple have already suggested the utility as a controller. It'll be in the Touch!


I don't see GPS being including since most apps that would use it would require a data connection.


It depends. GPS on the iPod is not without utility, and if Apple are trying to ensure an install base large enough to get the big players aggressively competing in the App store, then the 3G Touch would be as good a place as any to ensure a large market within the first 12 months.

True most of the existing apps expect the Google map, but dedicated GPS suites by TomTom, Garmin, could easily cover many of these features natively.

Which is to say the the iPhone, or a WiFi connected Touch would always offer a better experience for GPS apps, but even in a truly standalone mode, the GPS would be enough to provide iPod users with a useful replacement for typical dash mounted GPSs, etc.

[ghettochris]

I'm about to get a iphone 3gs, but if the next touch has the same autofocus camera that does video, it would be a much wiser financial move for me, so I might wait and see. I think it's unlikely they'll cram everything but the phone in the ipod though.

[dwb1133]

I think the key to undersanding what features will be included in the next gen touch is to figure out how much like the phone Apple is likely to make it. The touch was designed to be an iphone without the phone, and the next iteration will probably also reflect that. As things currently stand, the two 2nd gen products have way more similarities than differences; and I think that the next version of the touch will further close the gap created by the 3GS.
I would love to see GPS in the third gen touch, but I see GPS more as a result of the phone technology, not as as a feature pushed by Apple. I could say the same about the camera, but with more and more gaming devices (DS/PSP) makeing the camera a standard option, I cant imagine Apple sitting it out for much longer. Who knows, mabe they'll wait till next year before they add the camera when I would expect a greater increment of product revision than I do now just after the seeing the 3GS announcement.

[bndoarn]

also i think the new iPod Touch might have a small chance of getting GPS because of the new "Find my iPod" feature. it's too unreliable with Skyhook.

[Wishsong]

No camera. That's what I think. Adds too much cost, if they do, it'll be crappy, and the touch isn't competing with the phone market. The Mp3 market hasn't hit cameras yet. Probably just the same thing, only with a magnetometer and faster CPU plus more RAM.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

It depends. GPS on the iPod is not without utility, and if Apple are trying to ensure an install base large enough to get the big players aggressively competing in the App store, then the 3G Touch would be as good a place as any to ensure a large market within the first 12 months.
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Oh I agree entirely. GPS would be very useful on the touch even without a data connection. However I see a lot of users complaining that it doesn't work in situations where they expect GPS to work.

Maybe Apple would include it, but I doubt they would advertise it as the same GPS as the iPhone, they might not even advertise it.

[wanrik]

I think the 3rd one will be the improved version with some upgrading the 2nd one it may improve the battery life,Bluetooth support, and might be it gone some more thinner and high capacity, of course.

[donsherio]

HEY!! Awesome news for those of you who wanted stereo bluetooth in the iPod Touch 2nd Gen. with iPhone OS 3.0 coming out, support for stereo bluetooth will be enabled, AND is available in 2nd generation iPod Touch devices as well!

Check out the feature list for the OS update: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/softwareupdate.html

[puffnstuff]

Each day it looks like i'm right more and more

"Funnest iPod ever"

"Third-Party game accessories"

They are not trying to be coy any more in September they will make it known they are competing with the DSi and PSP

Magnetometor
Accelerometor
Touch
P2P Gaming
AND gamepad!!!!

Edit:
I noticed something interesting on the iPhone site..
http://www.apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/

It says nothing about game accessories. Could this be a sign of a greater divide between the two that will be seen in the 3g?Hmmm

[Patrick J]

@bndoarn also there have already been rumors about a camera being on it.
There have been rumors about that since day 1.

I reckon no camera - camera has always been a differenciator from the iPhone, apple won't want to break that.

Magnetometer - Apple marked the iPod touch as the funnest iPod ever. Fun - Games. Why would they cripple the iPod from having an even better controller set (accelerometer+magnetometer=wicked controls)

Also, havign a compass and no GPS would be an incentive for touch owners to upgrade to the iPhone ;)

@wanrik
Bluetooth support,
iPod touch 2nd gen has bluetooth support.

About accessories - all devices with 3.0 software, since the iPhone EDGE including all iPod touches will support gaming pads that plug into the 30 pin port. Apple won't release a new device for that :confused:

[buxtone17]

I reckon no camera - camera has always been a differenciator from the iPhone, apple won't want to break that...

...Apple marked the iPod touch as the funnest iPod ever...

I'd say the thing that differentiates the iPhone from the touch is the, um... what do you call it? Oh right. The phone.

As you said, Apple has marketed the iPod touch as "the funnest iPod ever". In that regard, adding a camera to the 3rd generation touch makes sense.

[Jimmy James]

they better lower the price and do 16GB for $199. It doesn't make sense for the iphone to be more expensive than the touch.

The 16 GB iphone is $599. The 16 GB touch is $299.

[RKpro]

No camera. That's what I think. Adds too much cost, if they do, it'll be crappy, and the touch isn't competing with the phone market. The Mp3 market hasn't hit cameras yet. Probably just the same thing, only with a magnetometer and faster CPU plus more RAM.

In 2004, I owned a full touchscreen mp3 player Olympus M:robe 500i. It had a 3.7" 640x480 screen, and a 1.3MP camera. It was awsome, but the sync software sucked balls. And no one noticed the M:robe, because of the ipod hype, so it was discontinued in 2005.

In any case, I'd like to think we've come a long way in 5 years.

[adbe]

Also, havign a compass and no GPS would be an incentive for touch owners to upgrade to the iPhone ;)


Quite apart from the fact that the last generation Touch was faster than the iPhone, which most likely will hold true for this generation too, how exactly is the iPhone an upgrade to the iPod Touch?

[adbe]

Oh I agree entirely. GPS would be very useful on the touch even without a data connection. However I see a lot of users complaining that it doesn't work in situations where they expect GPS to work.

Maybe Apple would include it, but I doubt they would advertise it as the same GPS as the iPhone, they might not even advertise it.

That's probably true. They don't exactly advertise the fact that Touch has all of the PDA capability available to the phone; I'm still amazed at how many people can't understand that my iPod is not an iPhone.


The only thing that throws me is Apple's sudden and unexpected love for lopping its prices. Normally I'd figure they'd chuck a few big features at the device to keep it in front of the Zune, and to justify static prices from the previous year. Maybe this year they'll just bump the spec, and drop the price though. That'd be a shame, in that I want a reason to upgrade my 16GB v1, but in a tight market, it might make sense.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Quite apart from the fact that the last generation Touch was faster than the iPhone, which most likely will hold true for this generation too, how exactly is the iPhone an upgrade to the iPod Touch?

A constant data connection, GPS, compass, microphone, better speaker, camera, etc. I could go on.

[adbe]

A constant data connection, GPS, compass, microphone, better speaker, camera, etc. I could go on.

Yesss, but it's a phone, isn't it? The other is an iPod. Different product families, see?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Yesss, but it's a phone, isn't it? The other is an iPod. Different product families, see?

When will you people get over branding? That's like saying a Macbook and a Macbook Pro are completely different things, when really one is just better* than the other. The iPhone and the iPod touch both have the same features, the iPhone just has more features. They both run the same OS, the iPhone is just able to take advantage of more software. They're the exact same thing, except the iPhone is really the iPod touch Pro.


*relatively speaking.

[adbe]

When will you people get over branding? That's like saying a Macbook and a Macbook Pro are completely different things, when really one is just better* than the other. The iPhone and the iPod touch both have the same features, the iPhone just has more features. They both run the same OS, the iPhone is just able to take advantage of more software. They're the exact same thing, except the iPhone is really the iPod touch Pro.


*relatively speaking.

The line would be greatly more arbitrary if, and only if, the iPhone was not a subscription device. As it is, the comparison is not valid, since the two devices aren't part of a vertical line up, they're merely part of the same family. In your analogy of the MacBook and MacBook Pro, try switching in the iMac for one of those devices. Sure they essentially have all the same features, run the same software etc, but one is a laptop and the over isn't. Considering one to be an upgrade over the other clearly misses a fundamental difference that isn't just branding.

[07thompsone]

disregarding all other differences, the iphone is a phone, it has a constant cellular data connection, and you can call your friends without worrying about wifi or skype or anything of that nature, I am going to say that that is the biggest difference, just a thought.

And now for something completely different...

I have been reading, and thinking about it and I have to agree with the nays in relation to the camera. As much as I would love to have a touch with a camera, and for me (though I realize that I'm not in the majority) that will probably be the deciding factor between the two. I sorta doubt that they will do that. the big reasons I'm thinking are as follows:

size: the ipod touch is slimmer than the iphone, and I doubt the camera would allow it to stay that way

competition: hardly any mp3 players nor gaming devices have cameras, I doubt apple will feel a need to go in that direction

price: it will add to the cost, lowering apple's money margin

differentiation: it is the most obvious (other than the phone part) dividing factor between the iphone and touch


however, with all of that said, I think that I still might wait until september, just in case, after all I could easily be wrong.

[PaperMacWriter]

Any rumors of the anti-grease coating? That, 802.11n and a camera would be perfect. Oh, and the new cortex8 or whatever inside and a new GPU. I would personaly get it for the screen alone, or 802.11n, or improved innards. A camera is high on my list, due to the use in apps. Any of these likely? I want to upgrade from my 1G, but not until there's somthing big.
SG :apple:

[puffnstuff]

disregarding all other differences, the iphone is a phone, it has a constant cellular data connection, and you can call your friends without worrying about wifi or skype or anything of that nature, I am going to say that that is the biggest difference, just a thought.

And now for something completely different...

I have been reading, and thinking about it and I have to agree with the nays in relation to the camera. As much as I would love to have a touch with a camera, and for me (though I realize that I'm not in the majority) that will probably be the deciding factor between the two. I sorta doubt that they will do that. the big reasons I'm thinking are as follows:

size: the ipod touch is slimmer than the iphone, and I doubt the camera would allow it to stay that way

competition: hardly any mp3 players nor gaming devices have cameras, I doubt apple will feel a need to go in that direction

price: it will add to the cost, lowering apple's money margin

differentiation: it is the most obvious (other than the phone part) dividing factor between the iphone and touch


however, with all of that said, I think that I still might wait until september, just in case, after all I could easily be wrong.

UH.. the dsi has a camera, psp has a camera attachment, archos and cowon you can attach an external bullet cam to record

[Patrick J]

Any rumors of the anti-grease coating? That, 802.11n and a camera would be perfect. Oh, and the new cortex8 or whatever inside and a new GPU. I would personaly get it for the screen alone, or 802.11n, or improved innards. A camera is high on my list, due to the use in apps. Any of these likely? I want to upgrade from my 1G, but not until there's somthing big.
SG :apple:

Almost definately oleophobic screen, as the iPhone has it and it's just a little feature.
802.11 draft N - maybe, Apple could surprise us? But maybe not..
Camera - Nope (it's one of the main differenciators from the iPhone and it's already been discussed above)
The new GPU and CPU definately.


As far as the 4th Gen iPod touch

I read some rumours on a multi core A9 Cortex processor.. very probable me thinks

Apple will likely deliver iPhone models packing at least two cores inside the main processor by 2010, according to a CNet report.

In a phone interview, James Bruce, wireless segment manager for ARM confirmed that, "You'll definitely see handsets shipping with a dual-core A9 in 2010,"

[Patrick J]

UH.. the dsi has a camera, psp has a camera attachment, archos and cowon you can attach an external bullet cam to record

They all have crappy cameras, and games which depend on INWARD POINTING CAMERAS (except archos and cowon but they have an insignificant part of the market share). If iPhone doesn't have the second camera, no way is iPod touch getting a primary or secondary camera, at least 'till games featuring this come out (which will never happen as devs would be cutting themselves out of the iPod marked until :apple: got around to including a camera in it).

[Patrick J]

The line would be greatly more arbitrary if, and only if, the iPhone was not a subscription device. As it is, the comparison is not valid, since the two devices aren't part of a vertical line up, they're merely part of the same family. In your analogy of the MacBook and MacBook Pro, try switching in the iMac for one of those devices. Sure they essentially have all the same features, run the same software etc, but one is a laptop and the over isn't. Considering one to be an upgrade over the other clearly misses a fundamental difference that isn't just branding.

In Apple's logic iPod touch is a slimmed down iPhone, released after the iPhone to bring it's mobile OS to bigger crowds who can't afford/don't want to change to an iPhone. As such they now have 40 million OS users, 3/4 (i think (?)) of which are iPod touch users.

Therefore, they want people to UPGRADE from the iPod touch to the iPhone, by offering features that people might want - GPS, Camera, and obviously, cellular connection.

Your analogy: iPhone-iPod touch as Macbook-iMac
I don't agree - iPhone and iPod are both portable devices, therefore the laptop analogy is much more appropriate.

[Sasuke-chan]

I am really hoping that the ipod touch wouldn't change its exterior design and I am entirely not keen on camera. What's the point of a camera when it is msot likely to be a crappy one. Plus, we already have a camera on our phone (most people anyway), so why would we want another camera? The only extra feature that I really hope that would add in would be GPS. That would be uber great =D

[PaperMacWriter]

Almost definately oleophobic screen, as the iPhone has it and it's just a little feature.
802.11 draft N - maybe, Apple could surprise us? But maybe not..
Camera - Nope (it's one of the main differenciators from the iPhone and it's already been discussed above)
The new GPU and CPU definately.


As far as the 4th Gen iPod touch

I read some rumours on a multi core A9 Cortex processor.. very probable me thinksI will almost certainly get the iPod Touch 3G if your right. 802.11n would be hitting the sweet spot, but not escential. Anyone know how good oleophobic coatings are? I have high expectations. Maybe next year I'll get an iPhone with multi-core :D
SG :apple:

[iCantwait]

remember kiddies, its an iPOD.

and i seee these forums filling up with "apple will give the iPt this or why apple MUST give the iPt this'

always wrong, you wont see a gps or 3G, its an iPod, an awesome iPod, but an iPod all the same.

[peshy]

Does anyone actully know when it is coming out, as i really want one, but if there is a new one with the features described here (only some) then i would rather wait and have a better one than my friends :P

[Patrick J]

remember kiddies, its an iPOD.

and i seee these forums filling up with "apple will give the iPt this or why apple MUST give the iPt this'

always wrong, you wont see a gps or 3G, its an iPod, an awesome iPod, but an iPod all the same.

Exactly.

@peshy
Does anyone actully know when it is coming out, as i really want one, but if there is a new one with the features described here (only some) then i would rather wait and have a better one than my friends :P
In September

[OllieTouch]

They're not going to opt for the OLED screen until early 2010 for another project, and then later in 2010 roll it out across there portable range.

As for GPS; it's not happening for the iPod touch and neither is the camera i'm afraid. However based on feedback and use of the improved iphone camera, apple are working on a alternative.

Currently dubbed iCam, it's designed to wirelessly sync photos to your mac/pc and/or your ipod touch/iphone - it's likely to come in 3 memory sets with appropriate resolutions for each price range. It'll include basic optical zoom and simple settings for day, night, indoor and outdoor. Aimed at the general market, not professional.
It'll look similar to the current iPod Classics, slightly thicker, with the screen acting as it should in any camara. The wheel will also be the same but orientated differently. Matt finish, very early development at the moment - released around fall 2010.

Third generation iPod touch will include build in Barometer, Compass, Altometer and Stepometer as part of the B.A.C.S.™ system, this is/was supposed to be a surprise - oh well! It's there to set it apart from the iphone as an all round, outdoors device and just a cool gadget - Plus digital basic radio.

-Just imagine the Apps!

No mic, but they'll encourage the use and support of bluetooth headsets -

-Hello skype calls!

Plus the obvious, it's going match CPU, wireless and other internal specifications with the iphone 3G S. No 64gb memory upgrade though :(

And that's about it on the hardware, the software info on bluetooth and P2P has already been leaked.

Anything i miss out?

[applelover29]

They're not going to opt for the OLED screen until early 2010 for another project, and then later in 2010 roll it out across there portable range.

As for GPS; it's not happening for the iPod touch and neither is the camera i'm afraid. However based on feedback and use of the improved iphone camera, apple are working on a alternative.

Currently dubbed iCam, it's designed to wirelessly sync photos to your mac/pc and/or your ipod touch/iphone - it's likely to come in 3 memory sets with appropriate resolutions for each price range. It'll include basic optical zoom and simple settings for day, night, indoor and outdoor. Aimed at the general market, not professional.
It'll look similar to the current iPod Classics, slightly thicker, with the screen acting as it should in any camara. The wheel will also be the same but orientated differently. Matt finish, very early development at the moment - released around fall 2010.

Third generation iPod touch will include build in Barometer, Compass, Altometer and Stepometer as part of the B.A.C.S.™ system, this is/was supposed to be a surprise - oh well! It's there to set it apart from the iphone as an all round, outdoors device and just a cool gadget - Plus digital basic radio.

-Just imagine the Apps!

No mic, but they'll encourage the use and support of bluetooth headsets -

-Hello skype calls!

Plus the obvious, it's going match CPU, wireless and other internal specifications with the iphone 3G S. No 64gb memory upgrade though :(

And that's about it on the hardware, the software info on bluetooth and P2P has already been leaked.

Anything i miss out?



I'm sure this is just another rumor someone thought was clever to tell everyone he/she/ heshe was sure about the hardware upgrades and such.

The camera, yes its unlikely.
But the mic is a very likely upgrade along with the double as fast wireless the new iphone 3GS has.

All the other upgrades that people are saying are pretty stupid, mic, faster wifi, OLED, and anti smudge screen are the most likely ones.

[MacDaddy901]

I'm sure this is just another rumor someone thought was clever to tell everyone he/she/ heshe was sure about the hardware upgrades and such.

The camera, yes its unlikely.
But the mic is a very likely upgrade along with the double as fast wireless the new iphone 3GS has.

All the other upgrades that people are saying are pretty stupid, mic, faster wifi, OLED, and anti smudge screen are the most likely ones.

I don't understand why you think a camera is unlikely. Makes pefect sense to me. There was a recent rumor about the iPod line getting camera's and I could see them implementing them into the line, especially the touch.

I see it more likely than a mic, which wouldn't be used by the majority, and I think its going to be a year or so before we even start to hear about OLED.

[gan6660]

I think we will see an OLED screen, MIC, and a camera. THe new Zune will have an OLED screen so why not the iPod?

[MacDaddy901]

^ Because we would have seen OLED in the 3GS if was going to be put into the touch. And its too early of a technology. I would expect the next gen to be pretty much the same, maybe a camera, increased size capacity, but faster.

[puffnstuff]

It will have the 3g cam, faster processor and better graphics then the 3GS

It will not have OLED, that's new technology that needs to be researched more and the GPS will come as an attachment not built-in so please stop with that enough already:rolleyes:

[MacDaddy901]

It will have the 3g cam, faster processor and better graphics then the 3GS

It will not have OLED, that's new technology that needs to be researched more and the GPS will come as an attachment not built-in so please stop with that enough already:rolleyes:

So Apple tells you all their secrets?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

So Apple tells you all their secrets?

his username is fairly accurate to his claims. ;)

[puffnstuff]

So Apple tells you all their secrets?

yes

[adbe]

remember kiddies, its an iPOD.

and i seee these forums filling up with "apple will give the iPt this or why apple MUST give the iPt this'

always wrong, you wont see a gps or 3G, its an iPod, an awesome iPod, but an iPod all the same.

Presumably you were trotting out the same line prior to the 1.1 update that gave the iPod the app suite from the phone... :rolleyes:

[Grant.Logan2]

FAKE!
an mp3 player would not ever have 3G, thats a cellular network frequency and why would an mp3 player make phone calls??!?
i can see a GPS in it but no way theres 3G unless its the new iPhone, definetly fake,
and besides that pictures is not the way apple would make theres and, besides now is not the time they would even begin starting to make advertisements like those

:apple::apple::apple:If an ipod touch had 3g it wouldn't be to make phone calls it would be for the internet besides we mean third generation :apple::apple::apple:

[Patrick J]

They're not going to opt for the OLED screen until early 2010 for another project, and then later in 2010 roll it out across there portable range.

OLED isn't a mature technology - Apple won't jumpt on it 'till they are ready (besides, apple products are built to last, and OLED screen start dimming after a few years. ) Think of BLU-RAY in Macs..

As for GPS; it's not happening for the iPod touch and neither is the camera i'm afraid. However based on feedback and use of the improved iphone camera, apple are working on a alternative.

An alternative? How do you know?

Currently dubbed iCam, it's designed to wirelessly sync photos to your mac/pc and/or your ipod touch/iphone - it's likely to come in 3 memory sets with appropriate resolutions for each price range. It'll include basic optical zoom and simple settings for day, night, indoor and outdoor. Aimed at the general market, not professional.
It'll look similar to the current iPod Classics, slightly thicker, with the screen acting as it should in any camara. The wheel will also be the same but orientated differently. Matt finish, very early development at the moment - released around fall 2010.

So instead of having one sleek device in your pocket, you have to lug around 2? Not very Appl'esch

Third generation iPod touch will include build in Barometer, Compass, Altometer and Stepometer as part of the B.A.C.S.™ system, this is/was supposed to be a surprise - oh well! It's there to set it apart from the iphone as an all round, outdoors device and just a cool gadget - Plus digital basic radio.

An altometer? What's that? Oh an altimeter? Now how is a pressure altimeter going to fit into an iPhone? A radar altimeter is out of the question, and the only common solution left is 4 way GPS triangulation (4 satellites instead of 3), which is very imprecise.
Stepometer? New word for me - And so trash the Nike+ system build in with great fanfare to the 2nd gen touch and the new iPhone? Yeh right?

-Just imagine the Apps!

No mic, but they'll encourage the use and support of bluetooth headsets -

-Hello skype calls!

Maybe

Plus the obvious, it's going match CPU, wireless and other internal specifications with the iphone 3G S. No 64gb memory upgrade though :(

And that's about it on the hardware, the software info on bluetooth and P2P has already been leaked.

I see it very probable that Apple unveils a 64gb memory upgrade.

[deniser]

Clunky, give me a break. They are exactly the same the same size! The new one gives you external speakers which are pretty nice but my older one can be charged by any charger.

I have the 1st generation ipod touch and love it. The only thing missing for me is the external speakers which I resolved by buying this (http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5375365/-/Product.html?searchstring=grayt&searchsource=0) and it works a treat.:)

[Lukis1994]

I would think that blutooth would be cool and that you could transfer files
Plus, I thing the speakers shoul be louder as when I'm at school and trying to watch a movie or play music I can't hear it especally when everybody watchin the family guy how they all puke and you can't hear them talking inbetween or when I'm listning to sex on fire by kings of leon to anoy my friend I have to stick it in her face ( that's how I got a crack on my screen ) and a microphone to make voice memo and voice control

That's would be cool

[Patrick J]

I have the 1st generation ipod touch and love it. The only thing missing for me is the external speakers which I resolved by buying this (http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5375365/-/Product.html?searchstring=grayt&searchsource=0) and it works a treat.:)

All thats left is to buy a plug-in 200mhz speed bump, a add-on bluetooth chip, and a plug-in 'made-for-ipod addon' blocker :D:D

[deniser]

All thats left is to buy a plug-in 200mhz speed bump, a add-on bluetooth chip, and a plug-in 'made-for-ipod addon' blocker :D:D

lol that is so funny :D it saved me paying out for the 2nd gen just because of the external speakers :D:D:D

[puffnstuff]

I hope they unlock the FM transmitter

I could play music wirelessly through my car stereo and not have to worry about plugging and unplugging everytime I get out.

+ Some sort of wireless charge capability will be cool. If it were to have the FM transmitter I would end up draining my battery

Something like this would be neat for the car..
http://frankanthony.multiply.com/photos/album/23/Touch_Stone_Car_Mount

[iMacmatician]

Presumably you were trotting out the same line prior to the 1.1 update that gave the iPod the app suite from the phone... :rolleyes:And later with bluetooth?

[NiKKname]

1.I wanna be able to throw my ipod touch at the wall and have it not break!
Great for relieving stress! O.O
2.I Want increased capacity(thats a given unless they come out with a new ipod with a touchscreen thats not an ipod touch)
3.I wanna be able to sync wirelessly to my computer
4.I wanna be able to dive into my touch and join the game.
5.I want a camera(even though i have one on my blackberry[another can't hurt!])
6.I want a septitpitometer<-clearly its fake
7.and i want it to be thinner
8.more batter life...72 hours...
9.less breakageableeeee!!!
10.Join the real gaming market, its close enough as it is..:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:=]

[turtlemansam]

i doubt that the next ipod will be thinner because it will have a camera, and that takes up a deasent ammount of room

it also might have a removable battery witch would be great!

i wanted it to have a memory card slot to put photos on it from ur camera without going to your computer

[Black Belt]

Dear Apple,

Here is what the iPod Touch needs...

MORE Memory - LOTS more if I had my way, I thought this was supposed to be an iPod.
FASTER Chip - Faster is better Apple, live in the NOW.
BETTER Battery - I'd like to be able to actually finish a movie :p

I guess a camera is useful for some of those apps, and a GPS would be very nice so I can use my phone at the same time.

Oh and how about one of those nifty docks like you USED to include with the iPod which cost you a whole 50 cents. I realize you "need the profit", that is what the fanbois always say when Apple tries to screw you out of quality, but I figure since I am paying top dollar so you could do me that favor.

And while you're at it - a BIG iPod Touch that works better than the Kindle and handles all PDFs properly and easily. That would be cool to use around the house.

And please add the Google Voice App which would be slightly easier than going to the website. And hey, you might as well approve it being that Google pwned you, suck it up and take your medicine.

And please remember that 90 percent of iPod owners are Windows users, please make iTunes work without crashing so much. Funny how your commercials make fun of Windows crashing and you are the cause. Thank goodness you are now isolated in the newest versions of Windows, now you are the one that looks bad because nothing else crashes.

And before I go, I wanted to remind you that you have an Apple TV product. I would like to buy one, but it's a bit of an antique. I mean, my iPod is the size of your biggest Apple TV. That's probably why you discontinued my iPod, it made the Apple TV look ridiculous. Apple TV needs to be the basis of your AV library, not some red-headed step child. Start putting some real disk space in there (160 Gigs just makes me laugh) and give me a place to store my library in high def, and make it burn slightly less hotter than an arc welder, then we'll start talking.

Sincerely

BB
(over his life, owner of 10 Macs and 10 iPods)

[elpollero35]

I've been eyeing the iPod touch and was just wondering from those of you who already own one, how will Apple make this thing better when they release the next generation (probably Fall 09)?

It seems a complaint about the 1G was the lack of external volume control, which was added for 2G. Any blatant problems with the current version that will be addressed by Apple?

It seems obvious to expect that the 3rd gen will be even thinner and with larger capacities for the current prices. I guess they could increase the screen resolution but at that size I wonder if it would make a difference. Is there a chance future generations will be able to support flash-based websites?

Thanks!

Hmm. I think the price is going to be atleast $100+

The 1st gen: $500-$600 the 2nd gen: $230-300 so... 3rd gen: $100-$200(estimate).

[Jack Flash]

Samsung ARM Cortex A8 @ 600 MHz
256 MB Onboard RAM
16, 32, 64GB Storage Capacities
3.0 Megapixel Camera w/ Video Recording
Bluetooth 2.1+EDR
802.11b/g WiFi
Built-In Mic
Oleophobic coating
$199, $249 and $299 pricing.

[Skyhigh223]

I can't wait for this to come out.

I'd really like a mic and a faster chip, not so bothered about a camera, but It wouldn't be a drawback.

Longer battery life would be epic and a user-replaceable battery would be super epic.:D

A mic unlocks things like voice control, proper voice memos without an external mic, voip calls and lots of other epic things....

camera? mehh.... I guess I could take photos with it... and videos... but I already have a kick-ass camera and I wouldn't see any advantage to using a crappy 3mp camera. :( oo! but they could put in more pixels i guess.


Is it possible that Apple will introduce "n" wifi for the ipod touch? This would be awesome for me.

[Wishsong]

So a few months ago, I was hesitant about a camera, but after thinking it through, I'm close to believing there will be a camera. So here's what I expect:

-Memory Bump (without it the Zune HD has a better chance, and it has to follow the iphone)
-Longer Battery Life (this is a given)
-Better Speakers
-Faster hardware
-That special screen the iphone got on the 3GS

Those are the given, now there isn't a big change from the second gen, which leads me to lean on there being a camera. If there is a video camera, it needs a microphone (who wants to take silent videos). And that would be enough of an update as it is.

Now the big if is a GPS. That would be an awesome update, but I'm not sure if they want such a big update (shows weakness to competition).

We can rule out:

-OLED
-Everything the iphone has (Apple likes to save updates for later)
-And this what I believe, PLASTIC BACK! It needs to be set apart from the iphone!
-Replaceable Battery (I don't find it Appleish)

I find the ipod touch much MUCH easier to predict than the other ipods. What is the price line going to do the nano? If the touch gets a camera, will the other ipods get one as well (I just find a nano with a camera bizarre)?

You really can't expect the price range of an ipod to drop below $100. I'd say the 3rd gen touch will just use the same price points.

[scottyukuk]

so aparantly the itouch 3rd gen is to be anounced in 6 days time 9th september, does anybody know if this is when the new itouch will be available to buy in the shops or is it just a date when they tell u when u can buy it????????????????/

[MaxPower49]

The one thing I really want to see is a 64gb touch. I'm afraid they will only do 32gb now and do 64gb in 6 months or so (similar to the way they introduced the 32gb a couple years ago... and the way zune hd is not putting out a 64gb model right away).