Mozilla Firefox (formerly Firebird) 0.8 available !!!

[NicoMan]

Check this out:

Firefox 0.8 (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/)

The latest version of the standalone browser from the mozilla project...

[edesignuk]

GREAT! *click, click* :D Love this browser (for PC anyway, safari's good for Mac though) ;)

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by edesignuk
GREAT! *click, click* :D Love this browser (for PC anyway, safari's good for Mac though) ;)
Don't get too carried away. The mozilla website seems slow as hell (too many downloads, I guess).

Cheers

[edesignuk]

Yup, I can't even get to it at the moment, "Gateway Timeout" :( ah well...

edit: wait! I'm there!

edit: damn, the D/L is not starting :(

edit: ah, here we go...:)

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Yup, I can't even get to it at the moment, "Gateway Timeout" :( ah well...

edit: wait! I'm there!

Here is the direct download Link:

Firebird 0.8 (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/0.8/firefox-0.8-mac.dmg.gz)

Enjoy...

[CmdrLaForge]

Already using it. Its great. Really fast. And you can block ads !!! See: http://texturizer.net/firebird/adblock.html

Cheers

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Already using it. Its great. Really fast. And you can block ads !!! See: http://texturizer.net/firebird/adblock.html

Cheers
Yup, this is a GREAT feature that I just found out about today, btw, it also works with Firebird 0.7.

[CmdrLaForge]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Yup, this is a GREAT feature that I just found out about today, btw, it also works with Firebird 0.7.

Me too ! Btw, does anybody know how I can export my bookmarks in Safari and import them in Firefox ?

[jvaska]

ack, that link about the adblocking doesn't work...anybody have an alternate?

[edesignuk]

It did work, now it 404's :( Can anyone who has the css code post it please?

[edesignuk]

Found it :D Google cache p0wns ;)
/* Block Ads v.2003-12-09 by Neil Jenkins
Portions of this ruleset are derived from the ad blocking css by Joe Francis at:
http://www.floppymoose.com/
Some code also contributed by Mike Hokenson:
http://www.gozer.org/mozilla/ad_blocking
*/

iframe[width="120"][height="600"], a img[width="120"][height="600"],
iframe[width="125"][height="600"], a img[width="125"][height="600"],
iframe[width="150"][height="100"], a img[width="150"][height="100"],
iframe[width="150"][height="600"], a img[width="150"][height="600"],
iframe[width="160"][height="600"], a img[width="160"][height="600"],
iframe[width="300"][height="250"], a img[width="300"][height="250"],
iframe[width="336"][height="280"], a img[width="336"][height="280"],
iframe[width="468"][height="60"], a img[width="468"][height="60"],
iframe[width="470"][height="62"], a img[width="470"][height="62"],
iframe[width="728"][height="90"], a img[width="728"][height="90"],
iframe[width="730"][height="92"], a img[width="730"][height="92"],
iframe[width="600"][height="120"], object[width="125"][height="300"],
iframe[width="180"][height="150"],
iframe[src*="/ad"],
iframe[src*=".ad"],
iframe[src*="/click"],
iframe[src*="?click"],
iframe[src*="promos"],
iframe[name="bsadframe"],
iframe[id="adFrame"],
iframe[id="splashFrame"],
img[src*="/ad-"],
img[src*="/ad."],
img[src*="/ad/"],
img[src*="/ad_"],
img[src*="/ads"],
img[src*="/adv"],
img[src*="/adx"],
img[src*="/click"],
img[src*="?click"],
img[src*="/toms_skyscraper_"],
img[src$="images/logos/amazon_international.gif"],
img[src*="freshmeat.net/button.gif"],
img[src*="pic.geocities.com/images/"],
img[src*="i.imdb.com/Vpics/"],
img[src*="i.imdb.com/Photos/CMSIcons"],
img[src*="i.imdb.com/Icons/apix/"],
img[src*="i.imdb.com/Icons/kpix/"],
img[src*="i.imdb.com/apix/"],
img[src*="sportsbybrooks.com/farkbutton.gif"],
img[alt*="advert"],
img[alt*="Click Here To Visit Our Sponsor"],
a:link[href*="/ad-"] img,
a:link[href*="/ad."] img,
a:link[href*="/ad/"] img,
a:link[href*="/ad_"] img,
a:link[href*="/ads"] img,
a:link[href*="/adv"] img,
a:link[href*="/adx"] img,
a:link[href*=".ad"] img,
a:link[href*="/banner"] img,
a:link[href*="/click.cgi"] img,
a:link[href*="/clickcgi?"] img,
a:link[href*="/clickover"] img,
a:link[href*="/clickthr"] img,
a:link[href*="/click-"] img,
a:link[href*="=click"] img,
a:link[href*="?click"] img,
a:link[href*="/redirect/"] img,
a:link[href*="/A="] img,
table table table[width="346"][height="280"],
table[id="RefAd"],
table[cellspacing="0"][width="160"][height="329"][bgcolor="#000000"],
table[border="0"][cellpadding="3"][cellspacing="0"][height="40"][width="100%"],
table[border="0"][cellpadding="0"][cellspacing="4"][align="right"][width="20%"],
table[border="2"] td[valign="top"][bgcolor="#ffffff"] table[width="138"],
table[border="0"][cellpadding="1"][cellspacing="0"][width="626"][bgcolor="#6699cc"],
table[bordercolor="red"][height="225"][cellspacing="0"][cellpadding="0"][width="190"][bgcolor="white"][border="0"],
table[width="336"][border="0"][cellspacing="0"][cellpadding="0"][align="right"][style="margin-left: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;"],
td[style="border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 7px 3px; background-color: rgb(255, 254, 249);"],
form[name="frmLargeForm"],
form[action*="click_lx.cgi"],
form[action^="http://rd.yahoo.com/"],
form[action=""][name$="SoapCity"],
form[action=""][name^="728x90"],
form[action=""][name^="300x250"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*="/ad"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="/ad"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*=".ad"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*=".ad"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*="?click"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="?click"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*="/click"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="/click"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*="promos"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="promos"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="=click"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="redirect"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][href*="/A="],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][name*="advert"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][name*="banner"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][width="728"][height="90"],
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][width="468"][height="60"],
div[id*="advert"],
div[id="dropin"],
div[id="dwindow"],
div[id="mntl"],
div[id*="popup"],
div[id="quack"],
div[id="splashLayer"],
div[id*="sponsor"],
div[style="border: 1px solid rgb(221, 221, 221); padding: 5px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"],
object[id="widgeth"],
*[name*="klipad"],
*[style*="/ads/"],
*[id*="popover_"],
*[src*="120x80"],
*[src*="140x"],
*[src*="?ad"],
*[src*="-ad-"],
*[src*="/adimage"],
*[src*="adimg"],
*[src*="advert"],
*[src*="=click"],
*[src*="banners."],
*[src*="_Banner"],
*[src*="/images/dinkus/more-arrow-lo.gif"],
*[src*="/offer"],
*[src*="/puffboxes/"],
*[src*="/sponsors/"],
*[src*="_sponsor_"],
*[src*="/us.yimg.com/a/ya"],
*[src*=".adbutler.de"],
*[src*=".nedstatbasic.net"],
*[src*=".tradedoubler.com"],
*[src*=".travelocity./Sponsor_gifs/"],
*[src*="a.consumer.net"],
*[src*="bannermania.nom.pl"],
*[src*="cash4banner.com"],
*[src*="crazypopups.com"],
*[src*="hit-now.com"],
*[src*="hitbox.com"],
*[src*="img.thebugs.ws"],
*[src*="kinghost.com/ban/"],
*[src*="klipmart"],
*[src*="popupad.net/ats/"],
*[src*="public"][src*="ad"],
*[src*="/publicidad/"],
*[src*="qkimg.net"],
*[src*="qksrv.net"],
*[src*="rcm-images.amazon.com"],
*[src*="rcm.amazon.com"],
*[src*="salon.com/Creatives"],
*[src*="servedby.advertising.com"],
*[src*="sexcounter."],
*[src*="sideads/"],
*[src*="statse.webtrendslive.com"],
*[href*="logging.to"],
*[href*="/referral/"],
*[href*="tryaol"],
*[href*="websponsors"],
*[src*="banman.asp"],
*[href*="banman.asp"],
*[src*="bannerman"],
*[href*="bannerman"],
*[src*="?banner"],
*[href*="?banner"],
*[src*="/banner/"],
*[href*="/banner/"],
*[src*="/banners/"],
*[href*="/banners/"],
*[src*="/jump/"],
*[href*="/jump/"],
*[src*="adfarm"],
*[href*="adfarm"],
*[src*="ar.atwola.com"],
*[href*="ar.atwola.com"],
*[src*="atdmt.com"],
*[href*="atdmt.com"],
*[src*="bluestreak.com"],
*[href*="bluestreak.com"],
*[src*="doubleclick"],
*[href*="doubleclick"],
*[src*="mediaplex"],
*[href*="mediaplex"],
*[src*="netdirect.nl"],
*[href*="netdirect.nl"],
*[src*="spinbox."],
*[href*="spinbox."],
*[src*="transfer.go"],
*[href*="transfer.go"],
*[src*=".tribalfusion"],
*[href*=".tribalfusion"],
*[src*="valueclick"],
*[href*="valueclick"],
*[src*="http://216.92.211.171/"],
*[href*="http://216.92.211.171/"],
*[src*="http://216.92.21.16/"],
*[href*="http://216.92.21.16/"] {
display: none !important;
}

img[src*="/click_"],
img[src*="/cnn/images/clickability/"],
img[src$="/banners/com000.jpg"],
a:link[href*="admin"] img,
a:link[href*="adobe"] img,
a:link[href*=".adp"] img,
a:link[href*="click.mp3"] img,
a:link[href*="/imgres?imgurl="] img,
a:link[href*=":head"] img,
a:link[href*="http://nettracker."] img,
embed[type="application/x-shockwave-flash"][src*="gallery"] {
display: inline !important;
}

[edesignuk]

More good news, this also seems to work with safari, just copy the above in to a file, save it as a css and select it as your style sheet in safari prefs :D

[Westside guy]

Rather than block all ads (which is what that stylesheet above is trying to do), I use the adblock plugin and just block the annoying ones. If enough people block all ads then sites that depend on them for revenue, such as Macrumors, will either go away or else shift to a "pay to play" model.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Westside guy
will either go away or else shift to a "pay to play" model.
Good job I've paid to play here then ;) :p

[Mav451]

Westside guy: Considering most of the people in the world are still using IE, I doubt that just because edesignuk, myself, and a few select others are blocking ads that it will make enough of a difference.

I remember a survey done in my Web Apps class--i was the one and only person using Mozilla Firebird in that class. This is a class of 30 (1/30 = 3%) . I doubt the numbers change much elsewhere, they probably get even worse and drop below 1% in most office buildings. Heck, most of people my mother/father's age (i.e. baby boomer generation) do not use it.

Seriously, revenue is not gonna suffer. If I am on a Mac Forum typing about Mozilla Firebird, I am probably 1/million and that's out of the the 1/billion that would even visit this site.

[pigwin32]

Originally posted by NicoMan
Don't get too carried away. The mozilla website seems slow as hell (too many downloads, I guess).

Cheers

I'm not sure why they don't highlight it on their website but there are a bunch of mirrors (http://www.mozilla.org/mirrors.html) available for downloading.

[bousozoku]

This is interesting. It works, but just. Apparently, the whole page is generated but there is not vertical scroll bar. :(

[mms]

Love it. A couple problems for me though. First, delete key doesn't go back one page. It's something I've been using for a long time and its annoying when you have to use two keys (Cmd-[). Another is that there is not key shortcut for home. The shortcut for View Source, Cmd-U, is unlike any other browser that I know of and annoys me, since I am used to either Cmd-E or Cmd-Alt-V. Although the sytax highlighting is nice, it takes considerably longer for the source to show up than it does in Safari or even Internet Explorer.

One bug I found really annoys me. In the past, with any broser I have hidden the navigation toolbar and used key commands to navigate. Cmd-L would bring up the address bar if I needed to type in an address. However, this is causing problems in Firefox. Cmd-L with Navigation Toolbar closed asks for the URL and choice of opening in new window, current window, or new tab. No matter what option I choose, it opens up a new blank page and doesn't load anything.

I like using Cmd-K to go the Google Toolbar and dict ___ to look up a word. It would be cool if they could come up with something like SnapBack, though.

[mms]

Another annoying bug - the extra window that shows up during Expose. Firefox is good, and would most likely be my first choice on a PC (I haven't tried that one out yet) but I'm still going to stick with Safari for Mac, with Firefox around for testing and for the occasional site that Safari does not work for.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by mms
Another annoying bug - the extra window that shows up during Expose. Firefox is good, and would most likely be my first choice on a PC (I haven't tried that one out yet) but I'm still going to stick with Safari for Mac, with Firefox around for testing and for the occasional site that Safari does not work for.

That's not a bug--it's a feature of every Mozilla gecko-based browser (from Mozilla, at least.)

[mms]

Originally posted by bousozoku
That's not a bug--it's a feature of every Mozilla gecko-based browser (from Mozilla, at least.)

Feature? I call a feature something that makes life easier for me, something like the pop-up blocker or syntax highlighting. Most people don't consider annoying little quirks to be features. It's not that big of a deal, but it does nothing to help me, and all it does is annoy me. I have enough windows open as it is, and an extra window only makes it harder when using expose.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by mms
Feature? I call a feature something that makes life easier for me, something like the pop-up blocker or syntax highlighting. Most people don't consider annoying little quirks to be features. It's not that big of a deal, but it does nothing to help me, and all it does is annoy me. I have enough windows open as it is, and an extra window only makes it harder when using expose.

How do you know that it doesn't make your life easier by making the browser work better?

Prior to Exposé, you didn't know that such a window was there. Is it truly that much worse now?

[mms]

Maybe it could help functionality, but I don't see how an empty, uncloseable window floating in the background could help the browser work better. Even so, Safari seems to work perfectly fine without one... is it necessary for the Mozilla engine to have such a window to funcion properly?

[Mav451]

mms: Is that annoying empty window only a problem on the Mac OSX platform? Because i haven't seen it yet on my PC...kind of have me worried about it after seeing your numerous posts about it.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by bousozoku
This is interesting. It works, but just. Apparently, the whole page is generated but there is not vertical scroll bar. :(
Ah! So it's not just me then. I have only downloaded it for Windows (quite happy w/ safari on OS X) and I didn't get a scroll bar either :rolleyes:, I'll just stick with Firebird 0.7.1 for now I guess.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Ah! So it's not just me then. I have only downloaded it for Windows (quite happy w/ safari on OS X) and I didn't get a scroll bar either :rolleyes:, I'll just stick with Firebird 0.7.1 for now I guess.

The main thing now is to get rid of those ugly buttons and control widgets within webpages (they look 10 times worse than windows control buttons....). That was what Camino was about...

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by Mav451
mms: Is that annoying empty window only a problem on the Mac OSX platform? Because i haven't seen it yet on my PC...kind of have me worried about it after seeing your numerous posts about it.

I remember seeing the same thing on the Windows version of Netscape Navigator 6, but it doesn't have an entry in the TaskBar.

[Mav451]

hmm, i presume you guys did clean installs of Firefox? Because the only time i have gotten the vertical bar problem is with an OLD nightly build from around October or November.

one thing that disappointed me was that i originally thought they said there was a Mac OSX theme for the WINDOWS version of Firefox...but then i realized that it was only for the MacOSX version so it could fit in better..baaahhh

*edesignuk: If you're not going to use 0.8, i'd highly recommend using a recent nightly build as opposed to referring back to 0.7.1

(note: I'm on a G5 at the library here, and the "home" key doesn't go the front of the lines like it does in Windows...is there a key that does that? Consequently "end" doesn't go to the end of the lines either...interesting).

[bousozoku]

Command-left arrow and Command-right arrow work in most Macintosh applications. :)

I've never had a nightly version. I went directly from 0.7.1 to 0.8, though I've still got the old one and it's still working.

[NicoMan]

Originally posted by bousozoku
Command-left arrow and Command-right arrow work in most Macintosh applications. :)

I've never had a nightly version. I went directly from 0.7.1 to 0.8, though I've still got the old one and it's still working.
0.8 seems quite stable. It's not perfect, but it's OK. I wouldn't want to revert to 0.7.1. I think that browser is making a lot of progress. I hate those control widgets (the radio buttons have got to be the worst of them all - they are horrible, at least on OS X) but the rest isn't bad at all. Some more plugin support?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by NicoMan
0.8 seems quite stable. It's not perfect, but it's OK. I wouldn't want to revert to 0.7.1. I think that browser is making a lot of progress. I hate those control widgets (the radio buttons have got to be the worst of them all - they are horrible, at least on OS X) but the rest isn't bad at all. Some more plugin support?

I wish that I could use the thing without scroll bars but I don't know many short pages.

More plug-ins would be nice and yes, the lovely, chiseled metal look of the widgets leaves much to be desired.

[CmdrLaForge]

I already asked, but have no answers yet. How can I get my bookmarks from safari to Firefox.

And another question is - how can I share my Safari bookmarks between users ?

Thanks

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
I already asked, but have no answers yet. How can I get my bookmarks from safari to Firefox.

And another question is - how can I share my Safari bookmarks between users ?

Thanks

I know of some shareware that supposedly maintains bookmarks for all of its supported browsers, but I can't remember the name of it right now.

[g808]

This is interesting. It works, but just. Apparently, the whole page is generated but there is not vertical scroll bar.

As pointed out earlier it is best to do a clean install of Firefox. However, if you didn't and were using a theme in 0.7, then uninstall the theme and reinstall it.

I did an upgrade to 0.8 and I had this disappearing scroll bar problem until I re-stalled my themes.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by g808
As pointed out earlier it is best to do a clean install of Firefox. However, if you didn't and were using a theme in 0.7, then uninstall the theme and reinstall it.

I did an upgrade to 0.8 and I had this disappearing scroll bar problem until I re-stalled my themes.

Okay, it was the beta pinstripe theme that they forcefully suggested we download with 0.7.1 that was the problem.

Thanks for your help! :)

[carbonmotion]

Firefox....yuck, crashed after install on XP PRO...went back to mozilla.

[mms]

Mav451 - I don't know if it appears on other platforms, since I haven't tried Firefox on anything other than OS X. It's not that much of problem, but it's one of the annoying quirks that made me go back to Safari. Actually, unless you use expose, you would not notice it, but since I use expose all the time, it's hard not to notice.

[mms]

Darn, forgot to attach screenshot.

[Mav451]

Well at least you guys got so many choices! On windows its Firefox/Opera or IE.

You guys got Camino, Firefox, and of course Safari. It'd be awesome if Firefox was default instead of IE on XP boxes all around the globe, actually it would be downright revolutional...

To have Safari as default browser, is reason enough to make a big statement on just how outdated IE is right now. Heck even now i switched to Thunderbird so javascript, attachments, etc. don't automatically run.

Isn't it funny how I'm on a XP box, yet I am heavily depending on open source software ALTERNATIVES to provide for critical, common everyday functions (web browsing, that is safe, email that is safe)? Maybe I'm not actually an WinXP guy, but an open source guy. Unfortunately, I'm a horrible programmer, so i have little to contribute to the community in that aspect. What i can do is write on forums...