Mac OS X 10.1.1 Update

[MacRumors]

Cortland Haws writes Apple has just released Mac OS X 10.1.1 Update. It adds support for some more devices, along with other minor improvements. Use Software Update to update to Mac OS X 10.1.1, or at http://www.apple.com/macosx/.

[trinitishwar]

Some AC on Macslash reported a problem with the installer. Might be nothing, but be careful anyway.

[oldMac]

Alright... So I've had OS X.1.1 installed for about 20 minutes.

Had some difficulty with the software update. Two updates were available, 10.1.1 and Airport 2.0. The first seemed to go okay, but then the Airport 2.0 installer hung at the "optimizing" step. I waited about 10 minutes with no progress (yes, I'm patient) and then killed the installer.

The box rebooted okay. This update is supposed to improve networking, USB & Firewire, Finder and printing support.

Alright! I think this might be the fix I've been waiting for...

So, I ran a few tests....

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Test 1:
Connect to Windows 2000 machine using smb://<ip address>/<share name>

Failed. SMB still doesn't seem to work directly to a Windows machine by IP address (as the documentation suggests). Instead, you still need either a WINS server or fake it by adding a name resolution for the machine via NetInfo.
See the following for instructions/explanation:
http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?50@7.E4oBaUvllM1^1@.efbfa2c/0

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Test 2:
Maybe my USB CD-RW drive is now being supported?

Failed. Looks like I'm only going to be using this device on my PC.

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Test 3:
Maybe my Canon BJ-3010 printer is now supported?

Failed. Damn... I really don't use my PC that much...

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Test 4:
Maybe contextual menus work in Finder list view?

Failed. How hard can this really be to fix?

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BOOM! Kernel Panic...
Oh, *****...

Well, that hasn't happened in a while. Maybe had something to do with me testing all those (still) unsupported devices.

Bottom line...

Hope this update helps out some of you. It ain't doing much for me.

[al256]

Still no DVD playback on T.V's. This only affects pismos, and ti-books (1&2) but I would still like to be able to watch DVDs on my T.V. The DVD player in 10.1 is great but it's still nothing with out the abilty to watch DVDs on a T.V or monitor. I rather save money up for a iPod or Airport 2 than go by a DVD player.

[Bophonic]

I have a Sony Spressa USB CD Burner and OS X has never found it. Even with the release of iTunes 2 (which is awsome) and 10.1.1, I can't burn a damn thing. Anyone know what I can do? Thanks for your help...

Paul

[MasterX (OSiX)]

I'm surprised people use USB CD-RWs so much. When I get one it's FW all the way baby! 24/10/40 or bust :¬). Well unfortunatly apple.com/itunes/notes.html is the listing of supported players. Although with OSX 10.1, Apple brought the OSX CD-RWs almost up to par with the OS 9 ones. Basically with the list, if you see your mechanism, maybe, if you see your device, certainly.

By the way, this 10.1.1 update adds more supported Cameras through Image Capture more than anything (if anything) else. Sorry. I'm still waiting for support for my old HP DeskJet (serial) which is AppleTalk complient, so I have an old LaserWriter w/a supported PPD… arg! Don't wanna get into it. USB Printer Sharing or old Printer Support would make me hapy (EITHER!).

[Catfish_Man]

I just installed 10.1.1 (5m28) and it took me all the way until the end of rebooting the computer to notice a problem. I immediately started up terminal to check what the build number was and it sat there. blinking (I've got bouncing off), for maybe 30 bounces. I brought the classic startup window back up from the dock, it lagged so badly I thought it had frozen. I tried to force quit while it was lagging. Maybe two minutes later the force quit thing finally comes up. I force quit terminal since it's not open yet. Just as I click force quit I notice it had started up. So I had to reopen it, which took a long time. Hopefully it will get better, but so far it sucks.

[Xapplimatic]

No problems here.. and my Sony Spressa (FireWire) still works fine in Finder and iTunes..

BTW: What's the point of a CD burner which can burn at 12x, when the USB limits your maximum burning speed to 4x because that's wimpy old USB 1.1 connections can push? Until Mac offers USB 2, FireWire's the only way to go on externals.. then again, when USB 2 is incorporated, FireWire 2 will be as well.. so..

[john123]

I've got some problem with the download on my beige G3...I've tried the download 3 times, and each time, about 3/4 of the way through, the download gives an error.

HOW IRRITATING.

[SilverGun]

In laymens terms, NO GO!...I have tried installing the update on my ICE iBook, but I keep getting a error....I had virtually No problems on my G4 codename "SilverGun"...help!! I want to update to 10.1.1, but it just isn't happening...I already have 10.1 on both my machines..thanks in advance.

SilverG

[Disdain]

Way too many updates!

How many more updates until a real FULL version of OSX will be available, I was lead to believe 10.1 was the full version but no we are no where near it.

How much longer can one wait for it to be ready it is like it's still in beta testing...

Shamefull, Apple has really pushed it with this OS yeah sure going to be on of the best OS's around when and if it is completed but their is too few supports and native applications out for it.

You wonder why Apple has not realeased it for PC's (if it can be done at all) as if they did release it for PC's now their would not be much to use it for I mean we can still run classic to get all the apps running but PS's can't perhaps when it is finished and their are apps of all sorts that run nativly will we see PC's branding the X.

[McFreggle]

Originally posted by oldMac

Had some difficulty with the software update. Two updates were available, 10.1.1 and Airport 2.0. The first seemed to go okay, but then the Airport 2.0 installer hung at the "optimizing" step. I waited about 10 minutes with no progress (yes, I'm patient) and then killed the installer.



Same happened here. It hung, I rebooted, and then I did the AirPort update succesful.

[Scab Cake]

"How many more updates until a real FULL version of OSX will be available, I was lead to believe 10.1 was the full version but no we are no where near it."

Don't forget, we're only around 7:00 on the OS X clock. :)

I haven't had a problem with OS 10.1.1. In fact, some things seem a little zippier. However, I did just recently do the window server compression thing in the terminal before performing the upgrade.

Anyway, I installed iDVD 2 last night and was hoping that the improved DVD burning would help with that buffer underrun problem on the superdrive.........nope. But, man, DVD burning is so cool. It actually played in my roommate's Playstation 2! That is so so so cool to me.

[Whatever]

Either I'm really lucky or you guys are just cursed. I've been using OS X since the beta and I've never had a problem. Each update has been flawless and better than the next.

Granted somethings aren't supported yet, however that happens everywhere. When I upgraded to Windows 2000 I lost the ability to have dual monitors.

Granted I come from the Wintel and UNIX world, where nothing comes easy (have you ever tried to get a new PC game to work on a year old PC or a old game to work on a new PC).

So the upgrade went smoothly for me, but then again I also know how to program a VCR.

[akuma]

I too have seen marked improvements in each update to X. I am anxiously waiting to get home so I can upgrade my boxes.

If it's only 7 o'clock I can't imagine what midnights gonna look like. :D

[bomega]

Are there any benchmark tests available that test OSX? I would have liked to test the speed difference between OSX.1 and 10.1.1

[GPTurismo]

Wokred good on my Dual G4 800 and iMac DV SE at home, and worked good on my 450 BW G3, 300 Beige G3 here, and 500 TiBook here at work.

I am still pondering on using Unsupported Utility X on the 9600 hundred at my desk....

The only problem I still have is Copying a large amount of small files from CD. It slows down. I copied over 3000 files in a 500 meg chink from a cd and it pretty much crippled the machine.

Besides that, everythings great, and UT in Classic is still giving me 45 + frames per second, so I am happy :)

[oldMac]

Xapplimatic, you're absolutely right. There is no point in burning with USB when I could be burning with firewire. Please send me $100 so that I can buy the proper firewire case. Thanks.

[imacguy]

Yeah, not only send us money for a FW burner, but send me money for a firewire MAC as well! I have a 266 imac so firewire is out of the question.

[Xapplimatic]

Running OS X on a 266 Mhz Mac? I'm sure the 4MB video RAM card does wonders with rendering windows in Aqua. LMAO.

[jefhatfield]

whatever's comments about the wintel world's os problems should make us mac users take note

nothing comes very easy in the world of pcs in a beta or initial windows release and the problems are too much to mention...so os x looked much better in comparison

when windows 2000 came out, it was supposed to unify business users and home users once and for all...and dos was supposed to go by the wayside

instead, windows me came out later and hung on to dos and microsoft's big campaign to make windows 2000 the great unifier failed and the early sales of w2k bombed

windows xp is doing what w2k was supposed to do many, many months ago and the high requirements of xp made microsoft lose out on sales forcing many users to move to new computers...which they obviously won't

ntfs, the main way to set up a wintel hard drive in NT, 2000, and xp, complies with the us govt's DoD C2 security standard but makes drivers a really sketchy issue and thus makes xp and 2000 a bad choice for home users

pc techs still need to know dos as well as the nt language and have to know their way around attaining drivers

and pc gaming... who knows what will happen with that except that wintel users will have to stay with 98 but can't enjoy the newer machines because of xp and the small list of games that will properly work on them

so many people will stay with 98 and me and some diehards will stay with windows 95...all this gives us pc techs a lot of good work ...but thank god my macs and apple os' at home don't have to make me work for them, too

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-15-2001 at 11:01 AM]

[McFreggle]

Hey,

I have a new iBook 600, with such a cool new adapter with a led-light on the connector (the one you plug into your iBook). Normally it's green when the battery is loaded, and orange when it's loading, but now I notice it's green all the time, although the battery is loading.

Could it have something to do with the OS X 10.1.1 update??
Or is it something else?

[MasterX (OSiX)]

I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that level of hardware isn't controlled by the OS.

[Ensign Paris]

My Experience:

I have had NO PROBLEMS with OS X.11 or X.1

I think its ready for the mainstream

Pretty useless post really!
Guy

[Buggy]

Mr. Paris,

Just because it is good for you does not mean it is good for others!

OSX is definately NOT ready for mainstream adoption. The only people I can recomend it for are those NOT on a network.

OSX networking is crap! period. OS9 works much better than OSX. Therefor if you do any serious networking work related jobs then you must stay away from OSX until it is fixed.

NT is not fully supported in OSX. Win 2000 works but has many issues.

I use and love my OSX at home. I won't use it at work.

[MasterX (OSiX)]

OSX not for networking due to Windows compatibility? That's laughable, well for starters the fact that OS9 doesn't even support SMB is good for starters. 2) Not all networks are one mac and all PCs. 3) DAVE is available for OSX, which I've heard is MUCH better than the standard OSX Samba support. The only problems I've had is not being able connect two OSX-computers via a computer-computer Airport network. Although It's probably my fault anyway. Running OSX on TWO of my computers, and because whatever the default file-sharing for OSX seems buggy, I use it's new and improved AppleTalk functionality, besides it offers OS 8/9 compatibility.

[Seahawk]

Powerbook Wallstreet upgraded to a 466 MHZ

10.1.1 works flawlessly. Using 100% for work: connection needed for me is just ethernet and that one has no troubles for me. Being able to work (Unix & C++) locally on the Mac is just amazingly good.

The RagePro is not supported but the 2D acceleration works just fine: no lag in there to report.

AFS (using Arla) is a breeze and Wireless with Orinoco Gold card is effortless.

For Networking people has to wait 10.2 (Apple hardworking on it) but on the Apple discussions (have seen those? a must-see) there are lots of (working) solutions for most networking problems (and other). Also networking with NT and 2K PC is covered.

Sure, OS X is probably asking a bit more knowledge of computing than old OS but if you do have that knowledge or are willing to acquire it OS X finally makes Macs a *real* platform for serious work/applications. For the first time in my life I may work on the Mac (scientific field), not just writing papers and alike.

In due time (hopefully already with 10.2) it will be AGAIN the Mac so easy to use for casual users (not computers geeks) as well.

[MasterX (OSiX)]

I'm aware of the OSX 10.2 project, but does anyone know any specific features? All I want is 3 things:
1) Software Base Station
2) A HID Key mapper
3) A Defrag tool.

Of course others probably want more performance, GUI skins, better Networking Support, a cleaner Connect to utility, more printer support ect.

[Ensign Paris]

I currently run two repro networks:
• Graphics & Admin - 354 Macs (G4s, Cubes, G3s, iBooks, Powerbooks)
• Sales and CSEs - 243 Windows Based PCs, (Mostly Dells and Compaqs)

I have been using OS X.11 on a Powerbook 667 and networking it to the PC and Macs no problem, even better when I got Dave.

Currently about 90% of the Macs are on OS 9.04, 9.1, 9.2 (QuickSilvers) and 9.21, but our archives, toast and distillers as well as Rips and admin machines are all running OS X.11 perfectly

Next December (2002) we aim to have all machines running OSX.

In my professional view, OS X.1 and X.11 is ready for almost all to use. There is VAST amounts of software and hardware available for it.

Ensign Paris

[Buggy]

Ensign Paris,
Sounds like your expertize in Networking is greatly needed on the Apples discussion board regarding Networking OSX. There are hundred (I am not exagerating there are hundreds) of posts regarding difficulites networking with OSX.

Try this one.

OSX10.1 on an NT sp6 network.

Log on in SMB working and stable.

But SMB is not supported in classic so file opening/saving/ linking, through a classic app won't see the SMB log on

AFP log on is tempermental but now mostly stable. Can be seen by the Classic apps but if you Open/ close or link, the app. will crash.

No one on the discussion board has been able to help me with this. They are also having this problem. Most have got SMB working now but it is a very "un-Mac" way of working.

Here is another one for you.

Pagemaker 6.5 only works in the Admin password and will not work in any users passwords even if you give the user admin rights.

thanks for the help. Your expertise in networking is greatly needed in regards to this new Modern operating system.

[Microsoft_Windows_Hater]

I moved to Apple 8 months ago and everything was perfect. Cool OS, even better computer, fantastic support for devices. I thought networking would be as easy, just click and play.

No way.

There has to be a fault and that is it. Nothing else is wrong for me, but running my machine on my home network or school network is like dying in slow motion. SMB works, if you know the name of the machine. Then if it disconnects by accident, Finder halts for a min. Great.

Airport is fantastic, that is true, but again not on a windows network. Even AppleTalk works once in a while and the so called local network shows my machine 8 times with none of the other macs on it.

Apple, we want it so make it!

[sparkleytone]

yeah they haven't dropped the ball per se...they just really haven't picked the ball up until now. anyways third party proggies are working fine as much as i didnt want to have to go that route. from what i understand dave is good stuff. i use sharity and its a charm, no problems and out of the way.

blah i forgot the horrors of file Xfer on 10BaseT lol i just got a rude awakening over airport. anyways this is great stuff i am still nothing but happy...currently transferring some of my mp3s to be ready for my iPod next week hehehe.


one satisfied customer.

p.s. seahawk is right...its almost there. its so easy already but geeks like me can drop to a terminal and do some real damage :D GAWD i love rebooting my linux router from a terminal on the g4s at work lolololol

[Ensign Paris]

Try getting Dave for OS X.11, connected two Macs is as simple as pie, linking a Mac to a PC, (I tested a G4PB to a NT Service Pack 6 and WIN2K) worked ok, but was better with Dave.

Gu

[jefhatfield]

a lot of us NT 4.0 techs are skipping w2k and winME and getting ready for the whole windows XP thing in the next year and i hope networking with OSX will be a reality...but who knows

everything the traditional windows techs learned may be different...even if it is just the huge change in the GUI appearance of windows which makes it a sqaure one issue with many of us

[toddkran]

The OS X update is great, except for one thing... If you happen to have your Mail program in the default directory, then when the update is installed, it writes over the Mail program with a directory named Mail. This directory is suppose to be a new beta of an impoved mail program, but Apple failed to make it a package. It isn't even complete enough for Project Builder to create a package with the contents. Good luck to all, and look out for those incomplete packages.

-toddkran

[MasterX (OSiX)]

Originally posted by sparkleytone
yeah they haven't dropped the ball per se...they just really haven't picked the ball up until now.

I'm amazed that there were no complaints when people were using OS9, but since Apple promised SMB in 10.1 everyone is angry that it's flawed. What the? OSX's support for SMB makes things like Dave easy to program, besides I'm sure Apple wants to polish the whole "connect to…" interface. The thing needs it's own thread because currently it stalls the finder.

My real issue with 10.1 came to my attention only recently. For whatever reason sometimes it doesn't power my mice on my iBook. This is really weird since it recognizes the device (Apple System Profiler). This and a key-only force quit should perfect OSX to a point where it's really solid.

[Edited by MasterX (OSiX) on 11-23-2001 at 03:49 PM]

[gustl]

Originally posted by al256
Still no DVD playback on T.V's. This only affects pismos, and ti-books (1&2) but I would still like to be able to watch DVDs on my T.V. The DVD player in 10.1 is great but it's still nothing with out the abilty to watch DVDs on a T.V or monitor. I rather save money up for a iPod or Airport 2 than go by a DVD player.

1.shut down the PB and the TV
2.connect PB and TV
3. turn on TV and choose the right channel (AV)
4. press the ON button of the PB - AND CLOSE THE SCREEN !!
5. OS X will start on the TV
6. open the Screen and start the DVD Player

so it worked with mine...

A second reason for a not working DVD player could be that you have not choosen right settings for the (external )monitor = TV.
DVD Player needs 1024x768 and MILLIONS of colors otherwise DVD player will not work ! (under os 9 you got an error message - under X ....it just won´t work)

regards

herbert

[MasterX (OSiX)]

Is there a way to turn off the LCD and only use TV-out on a P92 iBook (IceBook). In OS9 I could just turn brightness to 0 and it worked. In OSXs this turns of f the TV-out. I'm thining of trying this technique, but It'll take a while before I get around to it.

[gustl]

I think same procedure which I described before (and which works with my Pismo) should work for the icebook.

when acting as described with my Pismo the LCD is OFF..

just try it...good luck

[gustl]

installed yesterday the 10.1.1 Update and then connected my Pismo PB to my IBM Notebook as usual and downloaded some data (avi films, mp3s and so on)
It was 3 to 10 times faster then before the update - unbelievable :-) - Only one thing which I have to mention...the back side of the medal is that the system crashes sometimes when downloading BIG files (600MB or so) - the only thing you can do then is to switch of the PB !!! :-(
what´s your experiences ???