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IJ Reilly
Feb 11, 2004, 01:29 PM
It looks like the spin control machine is gearing up. I especially like McClelland's "don't call us, we'll call you" approach. The media is probably also impressed.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House, stung by election-year charges that President Bush (news - web sites) shirked Vietnam War-era military duties, accused critics on Wednesday of "trolling for trash" and ruled out the blanket release of medical or disciplinary records.

Bush said on Sunday he would make public records on his service, but critics said a release on Tuesday of pay and service records fell short of full disclosure.

"If there's new information that comes to light, that's relevant to the issue, we will let you know," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. He said Bush's comments on Sunday referred to the release of pay stubs or other records that could document his attendance and service.

McClellan said National Guard personnel were sending the president's entire file to the Pentagon (news - web sites), at the Defense Department's request, and the White House would also obtain the file. He gave no further information on the request.

But he bristled when asked whether Bush would release medical and disciplinary records of his service for the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War, as some critics have urged.

"I think what you are seeing is gutter politics. Some are simply trolling for trash for political gain," McClellan said.

The White House had hoped its release on Tuesday of pay and service records would demonstrate that Bush had met his service obligations.

But those records also showed long absences during his final two years of service -- a period in which Bush worked for some time on a political campaign in Alabama. Democrats and other critics said the records were inadequate.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=1&u=/nm/20040211/pl_nm/campaign_bush_dc



zimv20
Feb 11, 2004, 01:33 PM
oh, sure, when someone other than the GOP makes inquiries, it's trolling...

mactastic
Feb 11, 2004, 03:09 PM
But it's all good when the GOP does it...
GOP "oppo" teams are digging through pile of votes and position papers Sen. John Kerry has accumulated in 20 years of seeking and holding a Senate seat and will undoubtedly focus on family financial transactions.
Link (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040208/nysu012a_1.html)

Sayhey
Feb 11, 2004, 03:25 PM
I'll be interested to see how this administration tries to campaign against Kerry's history of corporate connections. Talk about hypocrisy! With all the Halliburton news does anybody think this will fly?

mactastic
Feb 11, 2004, 03:39 PM
I think the WH will focus more on Kerry's "Jane Fonda problem" and the gay marriage/Ted Kennedy liberal issue than the corporate stuff. They've gotta know that that one could bite them at least as hard as it could bite Kerry. Their strategy will be to try to portray Kerry as making Ted Kennedy look conservative. And expect more of the 'he looks French' comments too.

Sayhey
Feb 11, 2004, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by IJ Reilly
It looks like the spin control machine is gearing up. I especially like McClelland's "don't call us, we'll call you" approach. The media is probably also impressed.

What impresses me is that some in the media are still actually looking into this story. After the way they jumped on Clark for Michael Moore's comment, I thought they would all run away from the story. So far what I see is statements that he was jumped over others to get into the Guard, there is no records or people to show he did any guard duty while working for his father's friend's campaign in Alabama, and he was given special dispensation to get out early. It also looks like he got his credits for service after Alabama without showing up either. This from a President who won't let guard members serving in Iraq out of service even if their time is up.

mac, I agree it looks like a rerun of Atwater's '88 strategy. Unlike Dukakis, Kerry is not willing to set back at take it.

DavisBAnimal
Feb 11, 2004, 04:22 PM
Thought this might interest some people - it's the transcript from the press conference the other day:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html


All I have to say is - where the hell were these guys the past three years? I think it's awesome they finally started getting critical at these things, but why now, why all the complacency before this? (Up until this point they were more dictation machines for the WH).

I have to say it's great to see the press finally get all up in the WH's grill on this issue - I just wish they had done it all along.

Any guess how much longer before all these guys get banned from future WH press conferences?

Davis

zimv20
Feb 11, 2004, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by DavisBAnimal
Thought this might interest some people - it's the transcript from the press conference the other day:


wow

i particularly enjoyed

Q So he served, but his commanding officers didn't know it?


Q You keep saying the word, "serve." Define "serve."

MR. McCLELLAN: He met -- he served both in Alabama, and he served both in Texas.

pseudobrit
Feb 11, 2004, 05:22 PM
Little Liar Ari got out just in time. Even that forked tongued bastard would have trouble keeping up with this one.

wwworry
Feb 11, 2004, 05:52 PM
Then let's start to examine the boil on Cheney's but that got him a medical deferment.

How big was the boill, sir?

wwworry
Feb 11, 2004, 07:52 PM
That was a hell of a press conference and a great read.

Neserk
Feb 11, 2004, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by DavisBAnimal
Thought this might interest some people - it's the transcript from the press conference the other day:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/02/20040210-3.html


All I have to say is - where the hell were these guys the past three years? I think it's awesome they finally started getting critical at these things, but why now, why all the complacency before this? (Up until this point they were more dictation machines for the WH).

I have to say it's great to see the press finally get all up in the WH's grill on this issue - I just wish they had done it all along.

Any guess how much longer before all these guys get banned from future WH press conferences?

Davis

I was wondering pretty much the same thing. I can only guess the reason for waiting is becaue (a) the popularity of him during the war and post 9/11, and (b) they figured we'd all get tired of hearing about it so they decided to hold off until it was critical.

Neserk
Feb 11, 2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by wwworry
That was a hell of a press conference and a great read.

Yes and frustrating at the same time!