Discuss anything about space thread

[kabunaru]

We are just vibrations with light floating through a plane of space. The world is not physical being. Our thoughts make us who we are.

Do any of you consider this or think this is strange?

[fireshot91]

Think it is strange, but I always wondered what we actually are. I mean I know we are humans, but what was there before the big bang, and what is there outside of space.

[Surely]

Do I think it's strange that you think this? No.

Do I think it's strange that we are what you say we are? No.

Anything is possible.

[Schtumple]

I kind of believe (deep down here folks) that planets are electrons, and solar systems represent atoms, and in the grand GRAND scale of things, our entire universe makes up a single grain of sand.

The universe is a mysterious thing, something we will probably never truly grasp, every theory could be fact, there is no proof that a particular argument is more or less valid than the next.

And i now believe gentlemen I can safely say:

/thread.

[kabunaru]

If you really think about it, we are just waves and frequencies. That is it.

[.Andy]

If you really think about it, we are just waves and frequencies. That is it.
Which is awesome. Think of the possibilities.

[Scarlet Fever]

there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

[kabunaru]

there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

See. I am glad there are people think the way I do on this.

[atszyman]

If you really think about it, we are just waves and frequencies. That is it.

So what you're saying is that with the right filters I can remove parts of reality that I don't like?

[iJohnHenry]

There's a Hole in the Middle of the Sea

There's a hole in the middle of the sea
There's a hole in the middle of the sea
There's a hole, there's a hole
There's a hole in the middle of the sea

There's a log in the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a log in the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a log, there's a log
There's a log in the hole in the middle of the sea

There's a bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea
There's a bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea
There's a bump, there's a bump
There's a bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea

There's a frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a frog, there's a frog
There's a frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea

There's a fly on the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a fly on the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a fly, there's a fly
There's a fly on the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea

There's a wing on the fly on the frog
On the bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea
There's a wing on the fly on the frog
On the bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea
There's a wing, there's a wing
There's a wing on the fly on the frog
On the bump on the log in the hole
In the middle of the sea

There's a flea on the wing on the fly
On the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a flea on the wing on the fly
On the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea
There's a flea, there's a flea
There's a flea on the wing on the fly
On the frog on the bump on the log
In the hole in the middle of the sea

[obeygiant]

So what you're saying is that with the right filters I can remove parts of reality that I don't like?

Yeah, its called the ignore button.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Does anybody else smell weed? :confused:

[Jaffa Cake]

I don't know about the universe, but I know there is no spoon. I know that much.

[dukebound85]

If you really think about it, we are just waves and frequencies. That is it.

do you believe in free will? i mean afterall, the body is just a complex chemical/electrical system lol

So what you're saying is that with the right filters I can remove parts of reality that I don't like?

now wouldnt that be something

[obeygiant]

Does anybody else smell weed? :confused:

I wish I did. Then there would be an excuse.

[kabunaru]

Does anybody else smell weed? :confused:
What? What is with this negativity? Also, what does that have to do with this topic?
And no, I do not take any weed or anything. I am not that kind of person.
do you believe in free will?


You sure bet I do.

[Schtumple]

Further thinking into this subject, the answer becomes so obvious.

There is a universe, our golden master is Mr Steve Jobs himself.

It's all become clear now, everything did start with a big bang, Jobs was unveiling the universe to the super being god press, and a simple "Boom" started it all.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Negativity? What negativity? Someone sounds paranoid. :D

[dukebound85]

there is no universe so there is no me and yet here i am typing away on this response lol

[kabunaru]

What negativity?

Accusing me of taking weed sounds negative to me.

Spread good energy, not bad energy.

[Hawkeye411]

When you say that your not that kind of person, what exactly does that mean?Aren't you just a vibration of light floating through space thinking about who you are? How could you find a comment from another floating thought offensive? ...... Or ....... Perhaps you are actually stoned and have entered a metaphysical existence where you long to come back to reality and wish that you had never taken that last puff. Because of this, in your new strange existence, you find the very thought of smoking pot offensive?

Or .. perhaps this is just a strange thread. :D :apple:

[obeygiant]

Spread good energy, not bad energy.

Great advice. I couldn't agree more with that.

Let's see of anyone will listen......

[Big-TDI-Guy]

For the record - Herpes - good or bad?

I just need to know what kind of energy I'm spreading.

[dukebound85]

For the record - Herpes - good or bad?

I just need to know what kind of energy I'm spreading.

well sucks you have herpes lol

[Hawkeye411]

For the record - Herpes - good or bad?

I just need to know what kind of energy I'm spreading.

Yes ... Perhaps you should change your name to Big-STD-Guy .. lol

[obeygiant]

well sucks you have herpes lol

It sucks more for those he spread it to.

[kabunaru]

Perhaps you are actually stoned and have entered a metaphysical existence where you long to come back to reality and wish that you had never taken that last puff. Because of this, in your new strange existence, you find the very thought of smoking pot offensive?


Smoking pot is bad in general.

Now, back on topic, isn't life just a big chance (if you know what I mean)?

[edesignuk]

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/macros/thanksfortheinfo.jpg

[Eric Piercey]

there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

Aw shucks you beat me to it. "..Here's Tom with the weather."

[blackfox]

there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

Sounds like a Bill Hicks quote...

As to topic - I would have to imagine that there is a "universe" - but our ability to perceive and conceptualize it remains limited (though ever-changing).

Which kinda implies both potential utility and futility to the question(s).

[Mord]

Does anybody else smell weed? :confused:

No but LSD is odourless.

;)

If you really think about it, we are just waves and frequencies. That is it.

http://www.hjo3.net/orly/gal1/orly_indian.jpg

Do you really think "waves and frequencies" are a the bottom of the rabbit hole? Meaningless concepts inverted my scientists as a metaphor for the building blocks of "reality", one may as well say we're made of "zandlebrots", whoopty doo.

Do you still feel content with your view of all existence? I wouldn't if I were you.

[floyde]

Do you really think "waves and frequencies" are a the bottom of the rabbit hole? Meaningless concepts inverted my scientists as a metaphor for the building blocks of "reality", one may as well say we're made of "zandlebrots", whoopty doo.

Do you still feel content with your view of all existence? I wouldn't if I were you.

Regardless of what we are, what we want things to be has no bearing on what actually is. Just because a notion is more fulfilling to you, doesn't mean that it is more correct.

[Mord]

Regardless of what we are, what we want things to be has no bearing on what actually is. Just because a notion is more fulfilling to you, doesn't mean that it is more correct.

Tell that to those who are afflicted with religion...

[Schtumple]

Tell that to those who are afflicted with religion...

Too true.

[Queso]

Personally I believe we are all ingredients in the great pie of life.


Mmmmm...pie :)

[floyde]

Tell that to those who are afflicted with religion...

Lol, guess I missed the humor :o

Mmmmm...pie :)

QFT

[Mord]

You sure bet I do.

Why? Do you believe our conscious minds run on some kind of magic?

That's not to say I think we run on rails, we're just slaves to the quantum die so to speak.

In all seriousness have you actually sat down and *really* looked at what you believe and what you think you know 100% and given it reasonable levels of scrutiny? your comments and claims sound much like you're merely spewing illogical vague thoughts based on feel and emotional want.

[Badandy]

your comments and claims sound much like you're merely spewing illogical vague thoughts based on feel and emotional want.

Have you read the other threads he's started?

[Mord]

Have you read the other threads he's started?

Not sure I really want to...

[kabunaru]

Do you still feel content with your view of all existence? I wouldn't if I were you.
You make a good point.

[Prof.]

There is no spoon. :cool::p:rolleyes:

[paddy]

We are just vibrations with light floating through a plane of space. The world is not physical being. Our thoughts make us who we are.

Do any of you consider this or think this is strange?

Yes I think it is strange, tbh I think it's rubbish.

[EricNau]

Now, back on topic, isn't life just a big chance (if you know what I mean)?
I actually don't.

[dukebound85]

do you believe in free will? i mean afterall, the body is just a complex chemical/electrical system lol



You sure bet I do.

then your logic is flawed isn't it?:rolleyes:

[.Andy]

then your logic is flawed isn't it?:rolleyes:
In what ways are the two mutually exclusive?

[redwarrior]

I kind of believe (deep down here folks) that planets are electrons, and solar systems represent atoms, and in the grand GRAND scale of things, our entire universe makes up a single grain of sand.


You got into Dr. Seuss too, huh?:cool:

[dukebound85]

You got into Dr. Seuss too, huh?:cool:

reminds me of the men in black scene at the end lol witht he aliens playing marbles with galaxies

[redwarrior]

reminds me of the men in black scene at the end lol witht he aliens playing marbles with galaxies
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about that one.:p

[iShater]

There is no spoon. :cool::p:rolleyes:

You beat me by 30 minutes! :(

[dukebound85]

In what ways are the two mutually exclusive?

free will implies we choose our actions. if everything is just a sequence of chemical/electrical processes, then where does the factor of choice come in?

[.Andy]

free will implies we choose our actions. if everything is just a sequence of chemical/electrical processes, then where does the factor of choice come in?
From exercising the result of that complex chemical/electrical process i.e. the brain and nervous system. Where do you think free will emanates?

[shecky]

Edit: Mord, looks like you are nit-picking me too much. I honestly do not care what you think of my comments. I follow myself and am independent and do not need follow what somebody has told me on this arguement.

except that's not true, or else you would not continue to make these threads and then get all defensive about people's comments, would you?

what i want to know is, if there is no universe, where do you keep your extensive collection of shaving supplies?

[dukebound85]

From exercising the result of that complex chemical/electrical process i.e. the brain and nervous system. Where do you think free will emanates?

i really dont know where it originates

but what is the brain and nervous system if anything other than explicitly chemical/electrical processes. sorry i dont buy that argument and yet i do believe in free will. i mean do insects have free will? hard to say but its not as apparent as humans obviously if they in fact do have free will.

[.Andy]

i really dont know where it originates
It's the nervous system. No brain = no thought, no autonomy.

but what is the brain and nervous system if anything other than explicitly chemical/electrical processes. Nothing :confused:. It's made of chemicals and uses chemicals. No magic. Plenty of exciting unknown. No magic.

sorry i dont buy that argument and yet i do believe in free will. i mean do insects have free will? hard to say but its not as apparent as humans obviously if they in fact do have free will.
Now you're trying to reconcile an abstract notion of "free will" with something biological. By "free will" what you're really saying is the ability to process complex thoughts and emotions and carry out complex behaviours. This is purely a function of your nervous system. Lower order animals (such as grasshoppers) have smaller brains/less developed brains and aren't going to be able to carry out the same processing as we are. On the other hand higher order animals such as apes are able to. Likewise people missing parts of their brains are unable to normally process information and have less/absent "free will".

[floyde]

From exercising the result of that complex chemical/electrical process i.e. the brain and nervous system. Where do you think free will emanates?

But wouldn't those processes be deterministic? Would a human mind, exposed on several occasions to the exact same environment and preconditions, make a different choice eventually? (I'm just curious to know what you think, I haven't made up my mind about this)

[kabunaru]

what i want to know is, if there is no universe, where do you keep your extensive collection of shaving supplies?

What does shaving have to do with this? :confused:

[Don't panic]

But wouldn't those processes be deterministic? Would a human mind, exposed on several occasions to the exact same environment and preconditions, make a different choice eventually? (I'm just curious to know what you think, I haven't made up my mind about this)

it's probabilistic, so, given a set of preconditions, it would most likely follow a certain course of events, but not all the times.

[kabunaru]

then your logic is flawed isn't it?:rolleyes:

I am just a very different wave and frequency than you.

[dukebound85]

I am just a very different wave and frequency than you.

ha apparently

[kabunaru]

ha apparently

Seriously though, just think why are we here? Why is there this big vastness plane of darkness?

[Schtumple]

Seriously though, just think why are we here? Why is there this big vastness plane of darkness?

It's like drawball, god ran out of ink, couldn't be bothered to wait for it to get to 100% again :p

[Don't panic]

Seriously though, just think why are we here? Why is there this big vastness plane of darkness?

what darkness?

[dukebound85]

Seriously though, just think why are we here? Why is there this big vastness plane of darkness?

or why is there ANYTHING at all

[Don't panic]

or why is there ANYTHING at all

there is no 'why'. only 'how'.

[benlee]

Smoking pot is bad in general.

Now, back on topic, isn't life just a big chance (if you know what I mean)?

How can smoking pot be bad if we are just vibrations and frequencies. You, as a collection of lights and vibrations, would just be connecting with other lights and vibrations (the doobie).

Furthermore, if life is a big chance...you wouldn't be able to make a bad choice. It would just be a bad chance.

In that sense you wouldn't have to be "that kind of person" because you would just smoked weed by chance.

Weed is no different than another other chemical (ie food) you put in your body. Just as other foods have effects, weed just happens to have a different effect and can have a different mode of entry into your "vibration mass" of a body.

[kabunaru]

How can smoking pot be bad if we are just vibrations and frequencies.

I do not want to be accused of smoking weed. You guys just stop it. You guys seem very rude to me with this smoking weed stuff to me personally (even if it is a light and vibration).

[Blue Velvet]

I do not want to be accused of smoking weed. You guys just stop it. You guys seem very rude to me with this smoking weed stuff to me personally.

Threads like this, about religion or other spiritual matters, always end up in this forum. This forum is tough; lots of people avoid it for good reason. If you don't want your ideas to be ridiculed, then it's best to stick to talking about Macs and less controversial topics in the other forums. :)

[kabunaru]

Threads like this, about religion or other spiritual matters, always end up in this forum. This forum is tough; lots of people avoid it for good reason. If you don't want your ideas to be ridiculed, then it's best to stick to talking about Macs and less controversial topics in the other forums. :)

Is it just the nature of the human wave? To complain and ridicule others when somebody presents something out of the ordinary.

[dukebound85]

Is it just the nature of the human wave? To complain and ridicule others when somebody presents something out of the ordinary.

when the ideas are, no offense, "out there" how can you NOT expect some ridicule

if you cant face criticisms, then stay out of the prsi forum:rolleyes:

[Blue Velvet]

To complain and ridicule others when somebody presents something out of the ordinary.


Perhaps so. That's another topic for another thread. Or wave. Or string. Or brane. ;)

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I'm not ridiculing anyone - honest. I'm just playing. And poking fun at the topic - as it IS a topic of choice for many stoners. (when stoned, that is)

Please don't take anything I say to heart. :)

[.Andy]

But wouldn't those processes be deterministic? Would a human mind, exposed on several occasions to the exact same environment and preconditions, make a different choice eventually? (I'm just curious to know what you think, I haven't made up my mind about this)
Not deterministic at all. In reality the genetic component that codes for everyone's brain is entirely different. Even identical twins differ genetically (i.e. epigenetically etc). So the way that data is processed and stored will be completely different among individuals. And some things about genetics are just random (as far as we know) - i.e. choosing XX or XY or allelic expression. Then there's environment. So everyone's brains will be intrinsically different.

It can't be done but for academic sake if we were to put exactly the same brain through exactly the same environment andexaclty the same experiences I see no reason why it wouldn't make the same choice over and over again. It's just computing. However if you were to throw one individual different experience/environmental exposure into the mix, the results would be amazingly divergent. No thought happens in isolation.

when the ideas are, no offense, "out there" how can you NOT expect some ridicule
This quote is going to come in amazingly handy ;).

[Blue Velvet]

if you cant face criticisms, then stay out of the prsi forum:rolleyes:

This thread was originally posted outside this forum and was moved in here. Chill.

[kabunaru]

if you cant face criticisms, then stay out of the prsi forum:rolleyes:

Fine then, hit me hard as you can with criticisms. I do not care anymore about taking it personally anymore. Say what you got.

Actually, I could learn more from this as so can you.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Blue - did you drag this poor soul into the wolfs den? Shame on you. ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I am just a very different wave and frequency than you.

Kabunaru, you are waaay over simplifying things. You are not a wave. You are waves and energies than make up tiny quarks that make up subatomic particles, that make up atoms that make up molecules that make up life that makes you. You are not as different as you think. In fact, if you look at things the way you suggest (I mean really think about it) then we are all one being and there is no altercation here, there is simply energies being transfered between bonds slowly trying to balance the universe until the transfer of energy is no longer possible and all things are in equilibrium.

(Oh my god... sorry about the run on sentences)

[dukebound85]

Threads like this, about religion or other spiritual matters, always end up in this forum. This forum is tough; lots of people avoid it for good reason. If you don't want your ideas to be ridiculed, then it's best to stick to talking about Macs and less controversial topics in the other forums. :)

This thread was originally posted outside this forum and was moved in here. Chill.

looking back, i just said the same thing as you, just not as elegantly:p

Fine then, hit me hard as you can with criticisms. I do not care anymore about taking it personally anymore. Say what you got.

Actually, I could learn more from this as so can you.

well i wasnt waiting for your permission per say lol

could learn more from what? criticisms?

[kabunaru]

Kabunaru, you are waaay over simplifying things. You are not a wave. You are waves and energies than make up tiny quarks that make up subatomic particles, that make up atoms that make up molecules that make up life that makes you. You are not as different as you think. In fact, if you look at things the way you suggest (I mean really think about it) then we are all one being and there is no altercation here, there is simply energies being transfered between bonds slowly trying to balance the universe until the transfer of energy is no longer possible and all things are in equilibrium.

And if one thing went wrong in long-ago past, we would not be here today.

[Schtumple]

Kabunaru, you are waaay over simplifying things. You are not a wave. You are waves and energies than make up tiny quarks that make up subatomic particles, that make up atoms that make up molecules that make up life that makes you. You are not as different as you think. In fact, if you look at things the way you suggest (I mean really think about it) then we are all one being and there is no altercation here, there is simply energies being transfered between bonds slowly trying to balance the universe until the transfer of energy is no longer possible and all things are in equilibrium.

(Oh my god... sorry about the run on sentences)

I'll take a hit of whatever your taking ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I'll take a hit of whatever your taking ;)

I knew I was going to get comments like that :p

I'm sorry I can't explain that any better, without rambling (as if I didn't...)

[kabunaru]

Blue - did you drag this poor soul into the wolfs den? Shame on you. ;)

More like being dragged into the middle of a gladiator fight in the Colosseum and then get eaten by a lion. That is what the Politics forum is.

[Schtumple]

I knew I was going to get comments like that :p

I'm sorry I can't explain that any better, without rambling (as if I didn't...)

Nah it was a good philosophy, by far the most plausible that I've seen in this thread so far.

[floyde]

it's probabilistic, so, given a set of preconditions, it would most likely follow a certain course of events, but not all the times.

Not deterministic at all. In reality the genetic component that codes for everyone's brain is entirely different. Even identical twins differ genetically (i.e. epigenetically etc). So the way that data is processed and stored will be completely different among individuals. And some things about genetics are just random (as far as we know) - i.e. choosing XX or XY or allelic expression. Then there's environment. So everyone's brains will be intrinsically different.

It can't be done but for academic sake if we were to put exactly the same brain through exactly the same environment andexaclty the same experiences I see no reason why it wouldn't make the same choice over and over again. It's just computing. However if you were to throw one individual different experience/environmental exposure into the mix, the results would be amazingly divergent. No thought happens in isolation.


Ah I see, thanks for the explanations.

[kabunaru]

Nah it was a good philosophy, by far the most plausible that I've seen in this thread so far.

Are you saying I am a bad philosopher? :p

[TuffLuffJimmy]

And if one thing went wrong in long-ago past, we would not be here today.
What does it matter? Once the universe is in equilibrium then all will end up the exact same. Also, one thing can't go wrong on account of there is no free will (being if the universe is just a big balancing act) Then all things have been pre-decided.

*takes a hit ;)

[Schtumple]

Are you saying I am a bad philosopher? :p

No, but you didn't elaborate enough on your idea of the waves and their interactions etc, where as TuffLuffJimmy, while still only briefly, did.

[kabunaru]

What does it matter? Once the universe is in equilibrium then all will end up the exact same. Also, one thing can't go wrong on account of there is no free will (being if the universe is just a big balancing act) Then all things have been pre-decided.


But why does the universe exist? If you believe the Big Bang happened, why did it happened? Where did the matter in the Big Bang came from? Is there multiple dimensions and many universes?

Answer that. ;)

[iJohnHenry]

We are too small and insignificant to answer that.

Why can't we just accept it, and move on to make a better World that we do know??

[Shaun.P]

I've been through the phase of thinking to myself that I am the only 'real' person as I can hear thoughts inside my head and perhaps this world is just catered for me :p. That is awfully crazy and big headed of me though :p.

As for the Universe. It's crazy. My thoughts and feelings on this are too hard to express into meaningful words, but I'll try: Why is there anything?

[kabunaru]

Why can't we just accept it, and move on to make a better World that we do know??

Or let's explore what is out there. Let's try to make new technology so that we can explore space more efficiently and better.

[dukebound85]

Not deterministic at all. In reality the genetic component that codes for everyone's brain is entirely different. Even identical twins differ genetically (i.e. epigenetically etc). So the way that data is processed and stored will be completely different among individuals. And some things about genetics are just random (as far as we know) - i.e. choosing XX or XY or allelic expression. Then there's environment. So everyone's brains will be intrinsically different.

It can't be done but for academic sake if we were to put exactly the same brain through exactly the same environment andexaclty the same experiences I see no reason why it wouldn't make the same choice over and over again. It's just computing. However if you were to throw one individual different experience/environmental exposure into the mix, the results would be amazingly divergent. No thought happens in isolation.


This quote is going to come in amazingly handy ;).

ok so explain how free will exists as opposed to just different environments affecting the processes in the brain that are still just chemical/electrical reactions?

i mean if the EXACT same makeup (genetically) experienced the EXACT same environment, do you think we could exercise free will and say act different than another instance under the EXACT same conditions? from what i gather, you conclude that it is the environement that affects our decisions which to me would make it not free will in a sense.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

But why does the universe exist? If you believe the Big Bang happened, why did it happened? Where did the matter in the Big Bang came from? Is there multiple dimensions and many universes?

Answer that. ;)

Here's my theory on the big bang; note that this theory pretty much goes against what my previous idea was:

The universe gets recycled. Meaning that after awhile everything gets sucked into black holes, since black holes get larger the more they eat, and the more they eat the larger they get. At the center of a black hole is highly pressurized matter (pressurized on account of all the gravity) and eventually since black holes get bigger and bigger they would all just become one black hole and everything would be at the center, a crazy small pit that contains all the matter in the universe. Now for reasons unknown, or at least I dunno why, the black hole's center would explode (the big bang) and everything this is the beginning (and eventual end) of the universe as we know it.

and this black hole cycle goes on ad infinitum.

[dukebound85]

Here's my theory on the big bang; note that this theory pretty much goes against what my previous idea was:

The universe gets recycled. Meaning that after awhile everything gets sucked into black holes, since black holes get larger the more they eat, and the more they eat the larger they get. At the center of a black hole is highly pressurized matter (pressurized on account of all the gravity) and eventually since black holes get bigger and bigger they would all just become one black hole and everything would be at the center, a crazy small pit that contains all the matter in the universe. Now for reasons unknown, or at least I dunno why, the black hole's center would explode (the big bang) and everything this is the beginning (and eventual end) of the universe as we know it.

and this black hole cycle goes on ad infinitum.

so the black home turns into a white hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole)?

[kabunaru]

Here's my theory on the big bang; note that this theory pretty much goes against what my previous idea was:

The universe gets recycled. Meaning that after awhile everything gets sucked into black holes, since black holes get larger the more they eat, and the more they eat the larger they get. At the center of a black hole is highly pressurized matter (pressurized on account of all the gravity) and eventually since black holes get bigger and bigger they would all just become one black hole and everything would be at the center, a crazy small pit that contains all the matter in the universe. Now for reasons unknown, or at least I dunno why, the black hole's center would explode (the big bang) and everything this is the beginning (and eventual end) of the universe as we know it.

and this black hole cycle goes on ad infinitum.
What about the Big Rip theory?

[floyde]

But why does the universe exist? If you believe the Big Bang happened, why did it happened? Where did the matter in the Big Bang came from? Is there multiple dimensions and many universes?

Answer that. ;)

The question "why" is probably just a side effect of the human mind. It aids our survival by helping us understand how things work and how we can make better use of our environment, but there was no "why" before us. It's just a tickle inside our heads. Things probably just are. It's weird for us because we are used to making sense out of everything, but I bet the universe is happy to just "be" and it probably is incredibly bored by reasons (speaking figuratively, of course).

[TuffLuffJimmy]

What about the Big Rip theory?

I believe they covered that on family guy (God's fart created the universe)

[floyde]

ok so explain how free will exists as opposed to just different environments affecting the processes in the brain that are still just chemical/electrical reactions?

i mean if the EXACT same makeup (genetically) experienced the EXACT same environment, do you think we could exercise free will and say act different than another instance under the EXACT same conditions? from what i gather, you conclude that it is the environement that affects our decisions which to me would make it not free will in a sense.

I don't think that type of free will is logically possible. Free will is just randomness, is it not?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

What about the Big Rip theory?

In more seriousness, these are just two theories. Perhaps they're incompatible theories, but perhaps they can co-mingle.

[kabunaru]

I believe they covered that on family guy (God's fart created the universe)
I do not watch Family Guy.
The question "why" is probably just a side effect of the human mind. It aids our survival by helping us understand how things work and how we can make better use of our environment, but there was no "why" before us. It's just a tickle inside our heads. Things probably just are. It's weird for us because we are used to making sense out of everything, but I bet the universe is happy to just "be" and it probably is incredibly bored by reasons (speaking figuratively, of course).

Is the Universe infinite or finite? If finite, what is "beyond" it? More empty space waiting for this universe to "fill it"?

[Big-TDI-Guy]

By chance - did the title of this thread change? Or is Heisenberg again?

[.Andy]

ok so explain how free will exists
First explain what you mean by free will.

i mean if the EXACT same makeup (genetically) experienced the EXACT same environment, do you think we could exercise free will and say act different than another instance under the EXACT same conditions?
No. If it were exactly the same brain undergoing exactly the same experiences it would make exactly the same processes to make a decision. It is just processing. Unless you mean free will is just random choice? Because sometimes choice can be random.

from what i gather, you conclude that it is the environement that affects our decisions which to me would make it not free will in a sense.
I conclude that our cognition is comprised of our genetics and our environment. Each of these shapes our thoughts and perceptions. There's not a third concept that's thrown into the mix called "free will" that overrides our brains innate ability or our experiences.

[dukebound85]

By chance - did the title of this thread change? Or is Heisenberg again?

oh it changed and threw me off in forum spy lol

First explain what you mean by free will.


No. If it were exactly the same brain undergoing exactly the same experiences it would make exactly the same processes to make a decision. It is just processing. Unless you mean free will is just random choice? Because sometimes choice can be random.


I conclude that our cognition is comprised of our genetics and our environment. Each of these shapes our thoughts and perceptions. There's not a third concept that's thrown into the mix called "free will" that overrides our brains innate ability or our experiences.

i suppose random choice is what i think of when talking about free will. can two identical beings in the exact same environment make different decisions? i would like to think it is possbible but if it is just chemical/electrical reactions than i dont see how its possible unless we are missing something in a sense

which begs another question in that can say my personality be stored on a hypothetical computer chip that would imitate the same reactions chemically and electrically? would i know theres a difference somehow? i would hope so but i dont know lol

[floyde]

I do not watch Family Guy.


Is the Universe infinite or finite? If finite, what is "beyond" it? More empty space waiting for this universe to "fill it"?

I really don't know, but my guess is that it is finite and beyond it there's the same thing that's in the spaces between the particles that make up atoms. That is, nothing.

[Scarlet Fever]

The thing I don't understand about the universe is energy.
-What is it? If it can't be made or destroyed, how did it come to be?

-Why do things move?
If you were in a car going 1m/s slower than the speed of light and you put your headlights on, do you see the light going forward at 1m/s? According to physicists, you would see it going at the speed of light. Light is the only constant in the universe. When something is moving, the four physical dimensions (length, width, depth, time) are changing. When something is approaching the speed of light, all four of these dimensions are completely bent.

So if you see light going at the speed of light no matter how fast you are going, how does anything move in the first place without severely bending time?

[kabunaru]

By chance - did the title of this thread change? Or is Heisenberg again?

Actually, I changed the title. I think it is more suitable for this thread now.

Edit 2: Changed it again. Stop being so nit-picky about the thread title. I can name it in any way I want.

[EricNau]

Is it just the nature of the human wave? To complain and ridicule others when somebody presents something out of the ordinary.
Human wave? Now you're just making terms up.

Actually, I changed the title. I think it is more suitable for this thread now.
The title is paradoxical; astronomy is the scientific study of celestial objects, whereas philosophy is the discipline of the fundamental nature of existence. The two should never intersect.

[gauchogolfer]

I think it's fabulous to realize that all of the atoms in my body were once inside a star.

That's deep stuff, right there.

[EricNau]

I think it's fabulous to realize that all of the atoms in my body were once inside a star.

That's deep stuff, right there.
"We are made of star stuff."
Dr. Carl Sagan

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I always thought he said "star dust" - hmm.

I'm more impressed by the T-Rex juice in the back of my VW.

I wonder what my matter / energy will become some day. I hope I become Hawking Radiation, that should be fun. Time for an atomic reincarnation thread. :D

[kabunaru]

What about parallel infinite universes and infinite "copies" of us in each of those universes? We do not have a single universe but a multiverse. Each outcome in those different universes can be different.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

What about parallel infinite universes and infinite "copies" of us in each of those universes? We do not have a single universe but a multiverse. Each outcome in those different universes can be different.

What about it? Yeah, that's an interesting idea, but there's nothing to back it up. Attempting to prove that is like trying to prove that God exists.

[kabunaru]

Human wave? Now you're just making terms up.
Am I not allowed to use my own terms?

The title is paradoxical; astronomy is the scientific study of celestial objects, whereas philosophy is the discipline of the fundamental nature of existence. The two should never intersect.
Now I cannot name a thread now:confused:? I changed the thread title again and I hope it stays that way.
What about it? Yeah, that's an interesting idea, but there's nothing to back it up. Attempting to prove that is like trying to prove that God exists.

What about the particle collider project I heard about somewhere deep in the ground? I forgot the name of this project.

[Schtumple]

Ok this thread seems to be running at every tangent possible...

[kabunaru]

Ok this thread seems to be running at every tangent possible...

There are copies of us located in the same spot in the universe but in different dimensions.

[dukebound85]

There are copies of us located in the same spot in the universe but in different dimensions.

riiiiight

[kabunaru]

riiiiight
Just think. Multiple universes, each with it's own outcomes. In some universes, Ancient Greece and Romans still live up to this day, in some universes the World Wars did not happen, etc. Infinite outcomes. :)
The universe or multiverse I should say, is infinite.

[dukebound85]

Just think. Multiple universes, each with it's own outcomes. In some universes,
Ancient Greece and Romans still live up to this day, in some universes the World Wars did not happen, etc. Infinite outcomes. :)

i suggest you watch sliders (http://www.hulu.com/sliders) if you like that type of thing lol

[kabunaru]

I have to ask you, is this topic too much for the mind (for some people)?

[Schtumple]

i suggest you watch sliders (http://www.hulu.com/sliders) if you like that type of thing lol

I used to love that show as a child, that and Babylon 5, made me a mega nerdy child, luckily, I shook most of the nerd off over time, which I'm saying on a mac orientated internet forum, damn... :rolleyes:

[Scarlet Fever]

I have to ask you, is this topic too much for the mind (for some people)?

Nah, I love it :D

[dukebound85]

I have to ask you, is this topic too much for the mind (for some people)?

huh? which one, we are all waves and frequencies or parrallel universes or big bangs or what topic specifically lol

[gilkisson]

I have to ask you, is this topic too much for the mind (for some people)?

Consider: In one of those other dimensions, this question was answered fully, before it was asked.

In this dimension, however...

[kabunaru]

which one,

My entire thread.

You know there is another one of you out there. In fact infinite numbers of you. You can be doing the same thing as you are doing in this universe or you could be doing some other things had the outcomes in that past in that universe were different. If you decided to continue using the computer right now, you would be in one universe. If you decided to go to bed and sleep right now, that is a different universe. There is no one single universe.

[Blue Velvet]

What about parallel infinite universes and infinite "copies" of us in each of those universes? We do not have a single universe but a multiverse. Each outcome in those different universes can be different.

Have you been reading the books of Jane Roberts?

[dukebound85]

did the thread title change again?

seriously its killing me on forum spy lol

[TuffLuffJimmy]

i suggest you watch sliders (http://www.hulu.com/sliders) if you like that type of thing lol

Ahh I miss that show. My friend's mom bought the entire series and my we used to watch it all the time.

[Blue Velvet]

did the thread title change again?

To the OP, please stop doing that.

[kabunaru]

Have you been reading the books of Jane Roberts?

No, but I have been watching a lot "The Universe" series.
I did read about "The short history of nearly everything" book by Bill Bryson. That gets a start into wide spectrum of this whole notion of the infinite universe (or multiverse).

[Prof.]

is it just me or has the title of this thread changed like 3 times...?

lol

[Scarlet Fever]

did the thread title change again?

seriously its killing me on forum spy lol

the thread title changes are more confusing than its contents :rolleyes:

[TuffLuffJimmy]

To the OP, please stop doing that.

agreezies.

I'd say that the notion of there being infinitely many parallel universes is an interesting idea, however, it has few roots in science and those roots it does have sure don't go too deep. So while it is fun to discuss a discussion on it will go nowhere.

[kabunaru]

did the thread title change again?


I cannot think of a good thread title because people would criticise me for it. People, please stop being so picky about the thread title.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I cannot think of a good thread title because people would criticise me for it. People, please stop being so picky about the thread title.

I think "pot thought" is a good name. Not only does it give an idea as to the contents of the thread it also rhymes!

[Blue Velvet]

I cannot think of a good thread title because people would criticise me for it. People, please stop being so picky about the thread title.

It stays the same from here or otherwise the thread gets locked. Being able to edit a thread title is a privilege that was only given to forum members quite recently and only in the cases of major thread changes. Please do not abuse it, in this universe or another. ;)

[kabunaru]

Please do not abuse it, in this universe or another. ;)

And in another universe somewhere out there, this thread name changing "event" did not happen.

And the ultimate question, what created the multiverse and why does it exist? What if there was nothing? Absolutely nothing. Where would our thought and mind (and stars, planets, etc.) would exist? Nowhere I guess.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I don't think I can grasp any more of this. I must have one of those "bags" left over from my younger years. Should I find gold - err - green, what's the expected shelf life? ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

And in another universe somewhere out there, this thread name changing "event" did not happen.

And the ultimate question, what created the multiverse and why does it exist? What if there was nothing? Absolutely nothing. Where would our thought and mind (and stars, planets, etc.) would exist? Nowhere I guess.

You're making some HUGE assumptions. First: you assume that there is in fact a multiverse. Second you assume that it was created, why can't it just be? Sure, just being is an impossible concept for the human mind, as in our experiences everything has a beginning and all things end. Third you assume that there is a reason for it to exist.

And all three of your assumptions, that I identified, you have yet to provide evidence for.

[dukebound85]

You're making some HUGE assumptions. First: you assume that there is in fact a multiverse. Second you assume that it was created, why can't it just be? Sure, just being is an impossible concept for the human mind, as in our experiences everything has a beginning and all things end. Third you assume that there is a reason for it to exist.

And all three of your assumptions, that I identified, you have yet to provide evidence for.

but its fun to make stuff up. its called imaginationland;)

[kabunaru]

I don't think I can grasp any more of this.

And do not be surprised if your great to the power of something grandaughter or grandson one day comes and knocks on your door saying: "I am your great*insert how many great you want here* son or daughter and I time travelled to see you".
Please do not faint in that moment because time travelling is possible. ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Please do not faint in that moment because time travelling is possible. ;)

Says Donnie Darko.

Here's the issue with your time traveling idea: Why hasn't anyone gone back in time and already proved it's possible? If it were, as you suggest, then we would have had that power since the dawn of man. Someone from whatever time that discovered time travel would have gone back and taught ancient civilizations of time travel (or at least proved it was possible).

[kabunaru]

And all three of your assumptions, that I identified, you have yet to provide evidence for.
Do you have any evidence against this? :p
This is plausible physics.

Says Donnie Darko.
I like the Universe series a lot.
Here's the issue with your time traveling idea: Why hasn't anyone gone back in time and already proved it's possible? If it were, as you suggest, then we would have had that power since the dawn of man. Someone from whatever time that discovered time travel would have gone back and taught ancient civilizations of time travel (or at least proved it was possible).[/QUOTE]
What about the drawings of a helicopter and a man holding lights in his hand in a Pyramid? Do you not think Ancient Atlanteans have interacted with Ancient Egyptians? ;) The Sphinx could be older than you actually think it is.
This world is more mysterious than you think it is.

[Blue Velvet]

And the ultimate question, what created the multiverse and why does it exist?


“Before the beginning of the universe, we will postulate the existence of an omnipotent, creative source. We will hope to show that this divine subjectivity is as present in the world of your experience as it was before the beginning of the universe. Again, I refer to this original subjectivity as All-That-Is. I am making an attempt to verbalize concepts that almost defy the edges of the intellect, unless that intellect is thoroughly reinforced by the intuition’s strength.

So you will need to use your mind and your own intuitions as you read this.

“All-That-Is, before the beginning contained within itself the infinite thrust of all _possible_creations. All-That-Is possessed a creativity of such magnificence that its slightest imaginings, dreams, thoughts, feelings or moods attained a kind of reality, a vividness, an intensity, that almost demanded freedom. Freedom from what? Freedom to do what? Freedom to be what?

“The experience, the subjective universe, the ‘mind’ of All-That-Is, was so brilliant, so distinct, that All-That-Is almost became lost, mentally wandering within this ever-flourishing, ever-growing interior landscape. Each thought, feeling, dream, or mood was itself indelibly marked with all of the attributes of this infinite subjectivity. Each glowed and quivered with its own creativity, its own desire to create as it had been created.

“Before the beginning there existed an interior universe that had no beginning or ending, for I am using the term ‘before the beginning’ to make matters easier for you to assimilate. (That same infinite interior universe exists _now_, for example.)

“All-That-Is contained within itself the knowledge of all existences, with their infinite
probabilities, and ‘as soon as’ All-That-Is _imagined_ those numberless circumstances, they existed in what I will call divine fact.

“All-That-Is knew of itself only. It was engrossed with its own subjective experiences, even divinely astonished as its own thoughts and imaginings attained their own vitality and inherited the creativity of their subjective creator. [Those thoughts and imaginings] began to have a dialogue with their ‘Maker.’

“Thoughts of such magnificent vigor began to _think_their_own_thoughts_ – and their thoughts thought thoughts. As if in divine astonishment and surprise, All-That-Is began to listen, and began to respond to these ‘generations’ of thoughts and dreams, for the thoughts and dreams related to each other also. There was no time, so all of this ‘was happening’ simultaneously. The order of events is being simplified. In the meantime, then, in your terms, All-That-Is spontaneously thought new thoughts and dreamed new dreams, and became involved in new imaginings – and all of these also related to those now-infinite generations of interweaving and interrelating thoughts and dreams that ‘already’ existed.

“So beside this spontaneous creation, this simultaneous ‘stream’ of divine rousing, All-That-Is began to watch the interactions that occurred among his own subjective progeny. He listened, began to respond and to answer a thought or a dream. He began to purposefully bring about those mental conditions that were requested by these generations of mental progeny. If he had been lonely before, he was no longer.

“Your language causes some difficulty here, so please accept the pronoun ‘he’ as innocuously as possible. ‘It’ sounds too neutral for my purpose, and I want to reserve the pronoun ‘she’ for some later differentiations. In basic terms, of course, All-That-Is is quite beyond any designations having to do with any one species or sex. All-That-Is, then, began to feel a growing sense of pressure as it realized that its own ever-multiplying thoughts and dreams themselves yearned to enjoy those greater gifts of creativity with which they were innately endowed.

“It is very difficult to try to assign anything like human motivation to All-That-Is. I can only say that it is possessed by ‘the need’ to lovingly create from its own being; to lovingly transform its own reality in such a way that each most slight probable consciousness can come to be; and with the need to see that any and all possible _orchestrations_ of consciousness have the chance to emerge, to perceive and to love.

“... All-That-Is, then, became aware of a kind of creative tumult as each of its superlative thoughts and dreams, moods and feelings, strained at the very edges of their beings, looking for some then-unknown, undiscovered, as of then unthought-of release. I am saying that this mental progeny included all of the consciousnesses that [have] ever appeared or will appear upon your earth – all tenderly couched: the first human being, the first insect – each with an inner knowledge of the possibilities of its development. All-That-Is, loving its own progeny, sought within itself the answer to this divine dilemma.

“When that answer came, it involved previously unimaginable leaps of divine inspiration, and it occurred thusly: All-That-Is searched through the truly infinite assortment of its incredible progeny to see what conditions were needed for this even more magnificent dream, this dream of a freedom of objectivity. What door could open to let physical reality emerge from such an inner realm? When All-That-Is, in your terms, put all of those conditions together it saw, of course, in a flash, the mental creation of those objective worlds that would be needed – and as it imagined those worlds, in your terms, they were physically created.

“[All-That-Is] did not separate itself from those worlds, however, for they were created from its thoughts, and each one has divine content. The worlds are all created by that divine content, so that while they are on the one hand exterior, they are on the other also made of divine stuff, and each hypothetical point in your universe is in direct contact with All-That-Is in the most basic terms. The knowledge of the whole is within all of its parts – and yet All-That-Is is more than its parts.

“Divine subjectivity is indeed infinite. It can never be entirely objectified. When the worlds, yours and others, were thus created, there was indeed an explosion of unimaginable proportions, as the divine spark of inspiration exploded into objectivity.”

“The first ‘object’ was an almost unendurable mass, though it had no weight, and it exploded, instantaneously beginning processes that formed the universe – but no time was involved. The process that you might imagine took up eons occurred in the twinkling of an eye, and the initial objective materialization of the massive thought of All-That-Is burst into reality. In your terms this was a physical explosion – but in the terms of the consciousnesses involved in that breakthrough, this was experienced as a triumphant ‘first’ inspirational frenzy, a breakthrough into another kind of being.


Sleep tight. ;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Sleep tight. ;)

my head just exploded.

it looked like this:
:confused: >> :( >> :mad: >> :eek: >> 'splode.

[Blue Velvet]

my head just exploded.


“The earth then appeared as consciousness transformed itself into the many facets of nature. The atoms and molecules were alive, aware – they were no longer simply a part of a divine syntax, but they spoke themselves through the very nature of their being. They became the living, aware vowels and syllables through which consciousness could form matter.

“But in your terms this was still largely a dream world, though it was fully fashioned. It had, generally speaking, all of the species that you now know. These all correlated with the multitudinous kinds of consciousnesses that had clamored for release, and those consciousnesses were spontaneously endowed by All-That-Is with those forms that fit their requirements. You had the birth of individualized consciousness as you think of it into physical context. Those consciousnesses were individualized before the beginning, but not manifest."

Sweet dreams. :)

[floyde]

What about the drawings of a helicopter and a man holding lights in his hand in a Pyramid? Do you not think Ancient Atlanteans have interacted with Ancient Egyptians? ;) The Sphinx could be older than you actually think it is.
This world is more mysterious than you think it is.

Ever seen shapes or faces in the clouds? Our mind likes to do that, find patterns everywhere, even where there are none. I'm pretty sure that's what happens with those hieroglyphs. They look like helicopters to us, and yet it could have been a farming device or something like that to the original artist.

Ancient Atlanteans? Probably a great example of hearsay completely blown out of proportion.

[EricNau]

Am I not allowed to use my own terms?
Frazzle.

Get that? ...See why it's a bad idea to make up your own terms? ;)



This thread's largest problem is the amalgamation of science, theory, and philosophy. The three are infinitely different, and incredibly hard to grasp; combining the three is just too much to handle.

[Badandy]

I wanted to share a short story by Isaac Asimov. It's my favorite of his, and, coincidentally, his favorite as well. I can't really explain how it connects to this thread, but I have a feeling that the people reading this thread will like it.

Enjoy (http://www.multivax.com/last_question.html)

[Iscariot]

Space is big.

Real big.

[Mord]

Yes, I still feel content with the stuff I said and to tell you the truth, I dislike the current state of the world right now.

Edit: Mord, looks like you are nit-picking me too much. I honestly do not care what you think of my comments. I follow myself and am independent and do not need follow what somebody has told me on this arguement.

Edit 2: Why accuse me of more bad stuff (LSD)? Stop spreading bad energy.

Am I ruining your vibes man?

That sounds an awful lot more like a hissy fit than a logical response to the points I raised, if you're incapable of discussing your thoughts and beliefs in such a manner you are indeed a "bad philosopher" shielding your fragile ideas from scrutiny.

You may as well say "LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING" as you walk off the edge of an ideological cliff into the pits of belief.

And the ultimate question, what created the multiverse and why does it exist?

Here you ask a juicy one, what? I'd say the "what?" and "why?" are meaningless unless you propose the answer is infact magic as for every logical answer the question can be applied to the mechanism to which it describes again and again ect ect.

Given that one of the key features of the multiverse is that simply because something by chance can happen it *MUST* happen why would this not be the case on a larger scale? why would our style of universe with our laws of physics be the only one? This would surely indicate that the whole lot exists purely because it can, a near infinite mutlverse beyond all perceivable proportions simply because the maths is there.

Thus I'd propose that "Waves and frequencies" are meaningless, the fundamental essence of existence I see as being maths.

I'd welcome anyone to try to shoot a hole in my logic without employing basically magic as part of your theory (this includes belief, "well god could have done it" or whatever).

[kabunaru]

If you think about it, we are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[gilkisson]

If you think about it, we are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

That sounds like an article of religious faith. Who says there even is a scheme of things?

[dukebound85]

If you think about it, we are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

please stop spreading your "opinions" as fact. you have been doing so this entire thread lol

[kabunaru]

That sounds like an article of religious faith. Who says there even is a scheme of things?

Scheme of things = multiverse or universe if you want to call that.

[3rdpath]

If you think about it, we are nothing in the grand scheme of things.


when i think about it...we are everything in the grand scheme of things.

[kabunaru]

when i think about it...we are everything in the grand scheme of things.
You should watch this then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInBuEZmEos

[EricNau]

You should watch this then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInBuEZmEos
Along the same lines...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsOeLcUARw

[Much Ado]

Weapons in space = new Cold War

[gilkisson]

Scheme of things = multiverse or universe if you want to call that.

You're making an assumption... Actually, several. You assume there is a "scheme of things", and you assume your concept of "multiverse" is comprehensible to anyone else.

I must admit, I don't know what you have been talking about, in any of the threads this thread used to be. What we need is a set of rules, some common ground, we can use to describe this... thing.

Let's assume, in this "multiverse", there are many many really small particles. These small particles attract to each other, or repel from each other, depending on, well, their vibrations. Some hold on tight. Others, not so tight. Let's call these two rules the "strong" and "weak" forces.

Let's also say there is a force which can energize, cause activity, motion, transfer of energy or vibrations, etc. Let's call that force, oh, 'LectoMag, for a nice nickname.

Then, let's say that when a gob of small particles gang together, they have some serious influence in what goes on around them. Their vibes have serious gravitas! Let's call that rule, Gravity.

So, we have four basic rules. Strong attraction, Weak attraction, 'LectroMag, and Gravity. Let's call these "fundamentals".

I submit to you, that as we become more familiar with these four fundies, we will be more and more capable of exchanging ideas about this multi-verse thing. Sound like a plan so far?

[3rdpath]

You should watch this then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LInBuEZmEos

that's a very nice video with large planets.

you've missed my point entirely...

[kabunaru]

that's a very nice video with large planets.


Stars, not planets.

[Iscariot]

If you think about it, we are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yep. And?

[3rdpath]

Stars, not planets.

maybe...

[dukebound85]

that's a very nice video with large planets.

you've missed my point entirely...

Stars, not planets.

i think you missed his point again lol

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I don't know why I didn't say this before, but anyone with any interest in the philosophy aspects of this thread should read Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott and everyone interested in the math and science of this thread should read Flatterland, by Ian Stuart.

They are among my favorite books and Flatland truly is eye opening.

[kabunaru]

I don't know why I didn't say this before, but anyone with any interest in the philosophy aspects of this thread should read Flatland, by Edwin A. Abbott and everyone interested in the math and science of this thread should read Flatterland, by Ian Stuart.

They are among my favorite books and Flatland truly is eye opening.

What did you think about the "Short history of nearly everything" book by Bill Bryson?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

What did you think about the "Short history of nearly everything" book by Bill Bryson?

I never read it. Should I?

[kabunaru]

I never read it. Should I?

Read it. One of the best scientific books you will ever read.