'Official' MMS May Arrive for iPhone

[MacRumors]

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MacWorld Sweden (http://macworld.idg.se/2.1038/1.193858/macworld-avslojar-telia-erbjuder-mms-till-iphone) caught the attention of iPhone users when they reported that Swedish carrier Telia is planning on bringing Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS) to their iPhone users. MMS is a feature that has been long requested by iPhone users and would allow the easy sending of multimedia (photos, video) to your contacts.

Their solution appears that it may be (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/mms-coming-to-iphone-via-re-branded-mobispine-app/15732) a third party application developed by Swedish developer Mobispine. Mobispine is marketing (http://blog.mobispine.com/2008/11/first-native-mms-app-for-iphone.html) their MMS application to mobile carriers (such as AT&T) as a solution to provide the service to their end users. We're confident that operators will find the service easy to use and profitable with an opportunity to expand messaging usage, improve subscriber retention and hopefully increase revenue. The service will also increase customer loyalty and recognition as the brand is displayed on the user's phone. The application is white-labelled and will be branded for each operator and distributed via the App store.While there have been many MMS-like applications that have appeared in the App Store, this solution appears like it would tie in directly with the carrier, allowing more seamless messaging between mobile phones. Of course, this would also mean that carriers would likely be able to charge a premium for MMS messages.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/11/20/173428-mms.jpg

Mobispine describes their app:MMS on iPhone enables easy, convenient and cost-effective communication with colleagues, friends and family. Users can easily create a new MMS and attach a picture from an album on the phone or simply take a new snapshot with the camera. The application is integrated with the iPhone's contacts for easy access. Some of the key features for end-users include the ability to easily send and receive messages from iPhone to any phone with a native and intuitive user interface. The application also offers the ability to capture a picture via the iPhone camera or the option to select from existing photos. Apple will still have to approve the application for inclusion in the App Store, but with the mobile carrier's blessing, it seems likely this app would see approval.


Article Link: 'Official' MMS May Arrive for iPhone (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/11/20/official-mms-may-arrive-for-iphone/)

[tjcampbell]

Good for some, but I'm totally fine with emailing pics.

[macaco74]

crossing fingers

[dukebound85]

be able to charge a premium for mms

dont like that tidbit of info. though wouldnt affect me with my text plan

[jmann]

Obviously the only carriers that are going to be supported are going to be the "official" iPhone networks. Pity for me with my 3G on T-Mobile. :(

[dant19]

slaps face!

oh wait i email

good for some, not for me though

[Applepwns]

This would make me buy an iphone. if it came to verizon.
Please apple?

[nep61]

MMS and copy paste are the ONLY 2 things missing ....bring it on

[headfuzz]

Yeah finally.

ll be able to increase the number of MMS messages I've ever sent to 6 and beyond :p

[dukebound85]

MMS and copy paste are the ONLY 2 things missing ....bring it on

and video recording which even my 5 year old phone can do

[twoodcc]

this seems great and all, but if it costs more, then i'll just stick to email

[funnyent]

this is going to probably take a while... BUT ITS FREAKIN AWESOME

[quadgirl]

'bout time too. Only a year late!

[abijnk]

AT&T? :o

[MacGeek7]

I hope this is accurate...

[adamtehbadam]

It seems like this pain-in-the-ass method of checking MMS messages could've been made a lot easier, even without built-in support. For instance - Instead of having to get the username and password from the message, write it down, then go to the site and log in, you should have a link sent to you(akin to getting free starbucks wifi on your iphone). When you touch the link, it opens up safari and displays your message without having to go thru all the BS... Just a thought.:confused:

[djalice]

At last I will be able to see all those pics people keep sending me.

It was getting embarrassing!

Alice

[dukebound85]

i would still just rather have apple support it than have a third party workaround (even if it is the carrier)

[andreab35]

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Sounds cool to me!

[chrismac00]

Now that I've had it with the iPhone and sold it to get a Blackberry Storm, this comes along :[

I'm sad.

[ditzy]

If they just added the ability to forward text messages I'll be happy.

[mknawabi]

I wouldn't exactly call running another app to do MMS 'Official'

[BornAgainMac]

Why can't it be part of the iPhone? I don't want it as an App. That sounds like a hack job. I hope I can record video on my iPhone someday without jailbreaking it.

[eff pc]

no one is going to pay extra for MMS...especially when MMS messages on any other phone counts no more than a regular text msg (well at least thats how AT&T in the US works). I also agree with a previous poster, I'd rather have a native app. Unless the carrier has special abilities to have it push to the phone, there is no point in it. How Apple should do it is...when you get an MMS msg., it comes in like a text (in the SMS app) and says You have a MMS msg...u click the msg or the blue arrow to the right and it displays the MMS msg (like in picture mode where you can hide the navigation bars by tapping the screen)(and be able to save it if its a picture like you do in safari). also...SMS/MMS forwarding is needed too...so many times i want to forward a msg to someone and have to retype it (which i usually end up not doing). (a way to do this is hold the msg u want to forward and a popup box comes up...options...forward or cancel) thats what the iphone needs...and copy and paste of course

[Bernie-Mac]

If we are paying for unlimited data and $30 for unlimited text and then they charge another fee for MMS, I, and a lot of people im sure, will be very upset

[Stella]

Great, I'm sure that there will be many people pleased by this.

If you don't like MMS, simple, don't use it! Not a big deal.

[macharborguy]

I hope that full MMS comes to the iphone soon. the current method in the iphone is horrible, having to enter in a randomly generated user id and password, and even then the image/sound does not always display.

[arn]

I wouldn't exactly call running another app to do MMS 'Official'

Well, AT&T sanctioned.

Why can't it be part of the iPhone? I don't want it as an App. That sounds like a hack job. I hope I can record video on my iPhone someday without jailbreaking it.

You realize that "SMS" is just an App? Once background push notifications come, it should be a pretty similar experience.

arn

[bruinsrme]

If we are paying for unlimited data and $30 for unlimited text and then they charge a another fee for MMS, I, and a lot of people im sure, will be very upset

$50 for phone service
$20 for unlimited data plan
$30 for tethering
$5-15 for MMS

My math may be a little off but $100+ a month is getting up there.
I can add the storm to my already established verizon account and my bill will be $125 a month for 3 phones. hmmmm

I wonder how much longer the iPhone will be number 1

[jessica.]

If we get MMS before we get ***** copy/paste I'm going to blow a gasket.

[JoeDRC]

i'd prefer an apple made method of MMS, the one displayed doesn't look nice

[dukebound85]

$50 for phone service
$20 for unlimited data plan
$30 for tethering
$5-15 for MMS


unlimited data*

*does not include messaging** or tethering even though data

** does not include mms


oh i love it lol

[Intarweb]

If they try to charge extra for MMS they, Apple and ATT will become a laughing stock. I hope for their sake they're not that stupid. Then again, this is the same phone that doesn't have copy and paste. :rolleyes:

[newyorkguy]

Apple should put their effort in really usefull things like copy/paste. Not in such (mostly) expensive crap like MMS.


Great, I'm sure that there will be many people pleased by this.

If you don't like MMS, simple, don't use it! Not a big deal.

[bruinsrme]

unlimited data*

*does not include messaging** or tethering even though data

** does not include mms


oh i love it lol

$50 for phone service
$20 for unlimited data plan
$30 for tethering
$5-15 for MMS

My math may be a little off but $100+ a month is getting up there.
I can add the storm to my already established verizon account and my bill will be $125 a month for 3 phones. hmmmm

I wonder how much longer the iPhone will be number 1


My apologies I forgot $30 for unlimited text pages.
Which is neither data nor mms.

[newyorkguy]

wouldn´t it be great to use MMS as copy/paste? Copy, send mms, receive mms, paste. lol:p


If we get MMS before we get ***** copy/paste I'm going to blow a gasket.

[Otaviano]

I don't see why the carriers wouldn't charge for MMS messages. They do it for all other phones, and I don't think they would just give this extra service away for free to iPhone users. I'm going to find it a little humorous if paying for MMS because a big sticking point with the iPhone fanatics. I think Apple did a smart thing in removing it. A little forward thinking and you realize you already have a free and unlimited MMS client in the Mail app. Sure not everyone has it yet, but with the rate of adoption on smart phones it would have been wiser to go forward with it, instead of giving the phone carriers another service to charge you for.

[dukebound85]

I don't see why the carriers wouldn't charge for MMS messages. They do it for all other phones, and I don't think they would just give this extra service away for free to iPhone users. I'm going to find it a little humorous if paying for MMS because a big sticking point with the iPhone fanatics. I think Apple did a smart thing in removing it. A little forward thinking and you realize you already have a free and unlimited MMS client in the Mail app. Sure not everyone has it yet, but with the rate of adoption on smart phones it would have been wiser to go forward with it, instead of giving the phone carriers another service to charge you for.

most carriers charge for a messaging plan including mms in it

[iphoneg33k]

no one is going to pay extra for MMS...especially when MMS messages on any other phone counts no more than a regular text msg (well at least thats how AT&T in the US works). I also agree with a previous poster, I'd rather have a native app. Unless the carrier has special abilities to have it push to the phone, there is no point in it. How Apple should do it is...when you get an MMS msg., it comes in like a text (in the SMS app) and says You have a MMS msg...u click the msg or the blue arrow to the right and it displays the MMS msg (like in picture mode where you can hide the navigation bars by tapping the screen)(and be able to save it if its a picture like you do in safari). also...SMS/MMS forwarding is needed too...so many times i want to forward a msg to someone and have to retype it (which i usually end up not doing). (a way to do this is hold the msg u want to forward and a popup box comes up...options...forward or cancel) thats what the iphone needs...and copy and paste of course




I agree with you... Why would we pay more for a service that other phone have for free. They need to make it free since we are already paying a data plan.

[rhett7660]

i would still just rather have apple support it than have a third party workaround (even if it is the carrier)

You and me both.... I am sorry but when you click on the picture to email.. have an option that says send via MMS.... :D

Sounds easy to me. Why it is not there........lord.

[happydude]

def needed, but yeah, not paying for this.

[bbplayer5]

If we are paying for unlimited data and $30 for unlimited text and then they charge another fee for MMS, I, and a lot of people im sure, will be very upset

Id leave AT&T for the Storm. Period, end of story. Not just for that reason, but many others.

[metman787]

For the one billionth time AT&T does not charge a premium for mms. There messaging plans for all there phones include mms. Stop saying AT&T is going to rip you off. I have had 5 different phones with AT&T all with MMS and didnt pay a cent extra than if I just sent SMS.

[Bernie-Mac]

For the one billionth time AT&T does not charge a premium for mms. There messaging plans for all there phones include mms. Stop saying AT&T is going to rip you off. I have had 5 different phones with AT&T all with MMS and didnt pay a cent extra than if I just sent SMS.

Those 5 phones have not been iPhones, if you havent noticed AT&T treats the iPhone a little differently than every other phone

[bbyrdhouse]

This is great news ... Apple should have included this feture from the very beginning.

:D

[Bernie-Mac]

Anyone have any idea when they might submit this to the App Store?

[lazyboy922]

At last I will be able to see all those pics people keep sending me.

It was getting embarrassing!

Alice

SERIOUSLY! All the time I have my friends say "you have a $$$ iPhone, and you can't even picture message with it? How lame!"

It's so frustrating when my friends send me a picture. I don't even bother to log into that stupid web based viewmymessage thing. Takes too long.

[Saladinos]

and video recording which even my 5 year old phone can do

I really doubt this will come. Apple don't do halves. If video recording on the current hardware (which wasn't designed for it) isn't up to scratch, they'll leave it out.

[BriChi]

here we go again, a basic feature that shouldve been on the phone to begin with and it get blown up like WOW WE CAN NOW GET MMS,

God I hope the storm is good :)

[Apple iCider]

I love my iPhone and it needs MMS so fingers crossed for us all being able to get it.

Next, for starters, when will we see landscape e-mails, copy and paste, video recording and forwarding SMS?!

[Compile 'em all]

Now that I've had it with the iPhone and sold it to get a Blackberry Storm, this comes along :[

I'm sad.

the storm is an epic fail. go read the reviews or try to use one. it is a halfassed iphone.

[deannnnn]

Ho-ly crap.......
:D

[deannnnn]

the storm is an epic fail. go read the reviews or try to use one. it is a halfassed iphone.

haha really?
i want to play around with one.

[BriChi]

you should also read that all the reviews were done on old firmware that is 3-4 versions back

[vladinecko]

the storm is an epic fail. go read the reviews or try to use one. it is a halfassed iphone.

ah-hem, no! it's getting mostly positive reviews, just like the iPhone.

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/rim-blackberry-storm-verizon/4505-6452_7-33311850.html

[vladinecko]

If we get MMS before we get ***** copy/paste I'm going to blow a gasket.

the word phone makes for 5 out of 6 letters in the word iPhone. and the iPhone is currently the ONLY camera phone in the market (as far as I know) that does not support MMS. i think that's pretty shameful and, most importantly, a lot more crucial than copy & paste.

things like that can fly here in the US but the European market already rejected the whole notion of a phone that looks pretty but can't do what all other phones could for a LONG time.

[metman787]

Those 5 phones have not been iPhones, if you havent noticed AT&T treats the iPhone a little differently than every other phone

AT&T doesnt treat the iphone any differently than its regular smartphones. They actually treated the iPhone different in the 1st gen. The 3g has the same pricing plans as all of AT&T other smartphones

[CANEHDN]

I still don't understand why Apple just can't include this service. It's ridiculous. It pisses me off that Apple is taking so long to add this functionality to the iPhone.

[wakka092]

I still don't understand why Apple just can't include this service. It's ridiculous. It pisses me off that Apple is taking so long to add this functionality to the iPhone.

I agree.

The disparity of "OMGWTF AT&T will charge me extra for MMS!!!1!1" is not valid. MMS is included with every one of AT&T's messaging plans and has been since 2006, even with the iPhone despite the fact the iPhone doesn't natively support MMS.

[Bernie-Mac]

I agree.

The disparity of "OMGWTF AT&T will charge me extra for MMS!!!1!1" is not valid. MMS is included with every one of AT&T's messaging plans and has been since 2006, even with the iPhone despite the fact the iPhone doesn't natively support MMS.

Actually, MMS is blocked on every AT&T iPhone account so it is not included, jailbreak it and try SwirlyMMS and see what happens

[Dagless]

Good for some, but I'm totally fine with emailing pics.

Same here, I've never found a good use for MMS and it's even more pointless now we have rich email on the go.

[vladinecko]

i would very much like to be a fly on the wall when the iPhone product managers sat down to discuss why they would not include MMS as one of the core features of the phone.

there is absolutely no way they would not include it because it's technologically difficult to accomplish. if a joe schmoe can code it in his parents' basement in a day or two, i'm sure a couple of apple engineers could knock it out in a week, complete with QA and testing.

makes me wonder what else they considered to not include just because. address book? keypad?

remember when iPhone 3G was announced and Jobs did a whole spiel on how 3G is faster than EDGE? i was in the audience and can tell you, 20 out of 5,000 people barely granted him a golf clap. that's because everyone was thinking in unison; DUH! that's what we've been trying to tell you since day one!!

i fear when MMS finally arrives to the iPhone, we'll see another media event just about that and a new series of ads that will start with "Say you want to send a picture message to your parents..." which will be met with much the same reaction as the addition of 3G.

[Bernie-Mac]

Bad news....
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/20/apple_authorizes_mms_on_the_iphone_but_not_for_us_users.html

[vexious]

You know the thing is, I'm tottally fine with emailing... however.. what the problem is 95% of my friends/co-workers don't have smart phones.. And I'm not going to inconvenience them by saying hey resend this picture to my email... What at&t should do is allow MMS to be forwarded to our email... I mean I can't even download pictures off their site... its all flash.. What crap.

[arn]

Bad news....
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/20/apple_authorizes_mms_on_the_iphone_but_not_for_us_users.html

that's not bad news. that's the same news, but without the part about it being offered to other carriers.

arn

[Bernie-Mac]

that's not bad news. that's the same news, but without the part about it being offered to other carriers.

arn

Oh, my bad they said it was rejected in the title so i figured it was bad news

[The General]

Why would AT&T allow the use of this app when right now they BLOCK SwirlyMMS? It makes no sense. Why are Apple and AT&T so against MMS? It boggles my mind.

This will never happen in the US.

[kas23]

For fricks sake! Get the stupid MMS on the frickin phone. I want MMS and have been vocal about it, but even now, I am getting annoyed by people (myself included) begging for MMS. I just can't take it anymore. :D

Even I want to complain about something new, this missing MMS thing has gone too far beyond ridiculous. I'll be happy when the day comes when I can start complaining about no cut and paste only.

[ratattak]

bah. i have maybe used MMS once in my life.. and i've had cell phones for 10 years now. I am more than happy using email, posting to flickr, facebook, etc.

:rolleyes:

[andyblila]

Finally!!!

[Lancetx]

Same here, I've never found a good use for MMS and it's even more pointless now we have rich email on the go.

I couldn't agree more, not to even mention that MMS costs extra whereas rich e-mail is included in the flat rate data plan.

[Drag'nGT]

I hope this is true. Tired of the link, code & password thing.

[floatingspirit]

"the brand is displayed on the user's phone"

Cellphone companies and their mulit-tiered, multi-fee rate plans are already the most obnoxious service I grudgingly pay for. Re-introducing one of the most obnoxious features of cell phones is hardly a step forward in this customer's eyes.

[hawken king]

no one uses MMS over here in Japan anyway.

in fact you can't even SMS to other networks...

[Digital Skunk]

MMS and copy paste are the ONLY 2 things missing ....bring it on

and video recording which even my 5 year old phone can do

These, and a faster network and carrier level insurance is all that I am waiting for.

Oh, and a less expensive phone bill since I don't like paying $60-$80 extra for stuff I already have.

Now that I've had it with the iPhone and sold it to get a Blackberry Storm, this comes along :[

I'm sad.

Don't be sad, at least you have a stronger, and real smartphone that can actually create Office documents.

Same here, I've never found a good use for MMS and it's even more pointless now we have rich email on the go.

I can agree, but not everyone has an expensive smartphone. OR, not everyone with a smartphone uses all of their emailing/internet features.... OR, not everyone has an iPhone.

[deannnnn]

Why would AT&T allow the use of this app when right now they BLOCK SwirlyMMS? It makes no sense. Why are Apple and AT&T so against MMS? It boggles my mind.

This will never happen in the US.

They block Swirly because they can't make any money off of it. With this proposed solution, they can charge as much as they want.

[Michael CM1]

For all the people who complain about the lack of MMS, the BlackBerry Storm doesn't have WiFi. Which would you rather do without?

[DamnDJ]

Take THAT, naysayers.

:P ;P :P :P :P

[gceo]

I wouldn't exactly call running another app to do MMS 'Official'

If it's carrier supported it's considered official, in other words, no 3rd party or web workaround. SMS is an App, so is Mail, etc... even if it does have to come from the AppStore.

[brywalker]

With the provisioning of the iPhone 3G there is an MMS OPT OUT bolt on that goes on automatically.

If there was an official MMS app out, it could easily be blanket removed from all accounts.

MMS is included in any text package. As well as IM (on regular phones) that don't use it as data.

[kobefan234]

wont happen:(

[Iggy]

Good lord. Could you imagine that my iPhone that can home in on itself and show me a birds-eye picture of my house taken from space could also receive an MMS just like my Sony Ericsson T68i that I had in 2001 SEVEN YEARS AGO?! I think Apple is really on a roll here, next we'll be talking about sending contacts via SMS, sending files via Bluetooth and maybe even having the ability to play a half-decent game of minigolf. Only the future will tell.

[bki122689]

yesssssss finally

[Rybold]

NO THANK YOU !

I like using email because it's free, and AT&T does not deduct it from my text messages or bill me for it.

Apple did us a favor by not allowing MMS. They are trying to create a future where we don't have to pay for every message that we send ! And now these MMS people are trying to reverse that. NO WONDER OUR CELL PHONE BILLS ARE $70 TO $100 A MONTH !!!!
Land-line telephone service was $10 just ten years ago! My first cell phone, in 1999, only cost me $29.99 per month! And now because you guys don't see what Apple is trying to do for you, you will soon be paying even MORE per month !!!!!!!!!!!!! Complete stupidity!!!

Here's AT&T's corporate office, just in case you weren't sure where your money is going...

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1005/1141371388_cd6c8ec9c7_b.jpg

[Evangelion]

This would make me buy an iphone. if it came to verizon.
Please apple?

Is Verizon GSM? If it isn't forget it. It's not going to happen. No, it really isn't.

[Rybold]

Is Verizon GSM? If it isn't forget it. It's not going to happen. No, it really isn't.

I WOULD NEVER SIGN UP FOR VERIZON !!! Your data would not be secure! The Verizon network is not secure and their employees are currupt! Read this...
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20081121/tc_nm/us_verizon_obama_4

[aristokrat]

That's a tall building....

All the complainers sound like those who mourned the demise of the floppy drive. Instead of giving in to your friends saying "Your expensive phone doesn't do MMS!" why not counter with "Your crappy phone doesn't do email?" The guy above has a point, about unifying data usage, instead of allowing the carrier to partition what amounts to the exact same type of digital signal based on its intent. What if accessing .com sites pulled from a different data pool than .org sites? All these things should cost the same, because they are all merely digital data, but if you want to pay more, go for it.

[ABHolt]

Don't care about MMS, where's the ****ing cut and paste?

[Yuppi]

And while they are at it, I would love to see support for visual voicemail coming form telia. It is a shame not to have that..

[Philsy]

The argument that you can email photos is flawed - you can't email to someone's phone that doesn't support email, and what happens when someone MMS's a photo to you?

It's like saying, we don't need text messaging because we can simply send emails.

MMS is a useful facility to have and should be included on the iPhone. Those of you who don't want it can simply ignore it, like I ignore the non-deletable Stocks app on my iPhone :)

[NightFox]

Personally, I couldn't care about MMS, through I do appreciate that others want it.

HOWEVER, it worries me that this might be the first step down the slippery slope of service providers being able to customise their iphones out of the box with "useful added-value" applications and branding, like the total crap that they always stick on Smartphones

[xUKHCx]

NO THANK YOU !

I like using email because it's free, and AT&T does not deduct it from my text messages or bill me for it.

Apple did us a favor by not allowing MMS. They are trying to create a future where we don't have to pay for every message that we send ! And now these MMS people are trying to reverse that. NO WONDER OUR CELL PHONE BILLS ARE $70 TO $100 A MONTH !!!!
Land-line telephone service was $10 just ten years ago! My first cell phone, in 1999, only cost me $29.99 per month! And now because you guys don't see what Apple is trying to do for you, you will soon be paying even MORE per month !!!!!!!!!!!!! Complete stupidity!!!

Here's AT&T's corporate office, just in case you weren't sure where your money is going...



Thats funny because I would've though Unlimited Mobile data would jack up the price far more than the odd MMS :rolleyes:.

MMS on my contract is part of my free SMS usage so I don't actually pay any more for it. Also when I send it to someone they don't have to pay data charges to view the message and it is essentially PUSHed straight to their phone.

The reason MMS wasn't included is because the American market didn't use it much. The story is a little different over here in Europe.

For those that don't use it, then don't download the application. For those that do use it is good news.

The debate about the need for MMS has long gone around in circles but the answer is simple. If it is implemented and doesn't affect you, why do you care?

[Digital Skunk]

I WOULD NEVER SIGN UP FOR VERIZON !!! Your data would not be secure! The Verizon network is not secure and their employees are currupt! Read this...
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20081121/tc_nm/us_verizon_obama_4

You can find bad information about all cell companies.

Like this search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=at%26t+sucks&btnG=Google+Search&aq=2&oq=) and this search here. (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sprint+sucks&btnG=Search)

I have some AT&T stories that are pretty typical, as well as some from Sprint. For me, the bill is the bottom line.

[winterspan]

Now that I've had it with the iPhone and sold it to get a Blackberry Storm, this comes along :[
I'm sad.

Good luck with that.. That thing is a POS. Have you read any extensive reviews?? The awkward "click" touchscreen slows down typing significantly, the interface is not designed from the ground up for touch -- they simply hacked the existing trackball-based interface to use a touchscreen which makes for a poor user experience, it doesn't have WiFi, it doesn't have any hardware accelerated graphics, the browser is poor, etc etc etc.. I could go on for days...

[overcast]

For all the people who complain about the lack of MMS, the BlackBerry Storm doesn't have WiFi. Which would you rather do without?

With the speeds I see on 3G , I haven't gone on WiFi since my new phone.

[overcast]

Thats funny because I would've though Unlimited Mobile data would jack up the price far more than the odd MMS :rolleyes:.

MMS on my contract is part of my free SMS usage so I don't actually pay any more for it. Also when I send it to someone they don't have to pay data charges to view the message and it is essentially PUSHed straight to their phone.

The reason MMS wasn't included is because the American market didn't use it much. The story is a little different over here in Europe.

For those that don't use it, then don't download the application. For those that do use it is good news.

The debate about the need for MMS has long gone around in circles but the answer is simple. If it is implemented and doesn't affect you, why do you care?

And you know the American market doesn't use it much becauuuuuuse...?

[bigfatdummy]

Nuggets!

MMS - great for most users. I absolutely hate the email only function. I get pictures from friends and family all the time. Usually simple things like, "I got a new puppy", or "look at this funny sign". Typically I am texting my friends and they send a pic and want to ask what I think. I don't want to go to blahblahmessages.com and check it. I don't want to enter some freaky userid and password. I want to see it, right then. Yes, emailing is better. Yes, friends and family can be taught to email pics. But they won't and they don't! Rate plans aren't going to skyrocket. The world isn't going to come to an end.

[diamond.g]

I WOULD NEVER SIGN UP FOR VERIZON !!! Your data would not be secure! The Verizon network is not secure and their employees are currupt! Read this...
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20081121/tc_nm/us_verizon_obama_4

Your data isn't secure with AT&T either.

[alawatsakima]

I find it to be more likely that the reason Apple did NOT include MMS is because Safari does not support the protocols (Yet).


I'm not an engineer, and I have only read a little into the standards, but my speculation is as follows:

There is a whole list of protocols that are required for a device to be "MMS Complient" by 3GPP group. Many of these standards are implemented in the Acid3 test, through SMIL, and thus, when a mobile browser passes Acid3, it will also support MMS. From there, it would be simple for Apple to impliment MMS themselves, probably from within the current SMS client.

Safari 4 beta is already passing Acid3. I am not much for rumors, and people can feel free to call me wrong, but I would not be surprised if Safari 4, AND iPhone firmware 3.0 WITH MMS all came out at macworld. Officially. From Apple.

Further, I suspect that once the iphone supports MMS, the carriers simply need to change a binary bit in their servers, and suddenly we all have MMS support from them too.

Remember, I'm not an engineer, I'm not a software designer, and my knoledge is thin and these are merely my suspisions and speculations. Further, it makes sense to me that if Apple didn't have the technology at the time, and they don't have the ability to impliment it, they wouldn't admit it, because that would tarnish their image. I think it also makes sence that they would only be investing as much time and money as they are into passing acid3 if it surved them a greater good. MMS support would be a greater good.

Just my $.02

[Digital Skunk]

With the speeds I see on 3G , I haven't gone on WiFi since my new phone.

Same here. My phone doesn't have WiFi and I can't tell the difference with Sprint. The iPhone..... very noticeable speed decrease.

And you know the American market doesn't use it much becauuuuuuse...?

Right, the usual Euro babble about their cell networks and usage. :rolleyes:

[collinownsyou]

its about time, apple is pissin me off

[bradl]

its about time, apple is pissin me off

Aww... tell us how you really feel... :rolleyes:

Honestly, I'd rather prefer stability and a non-crashing phone over hastily coded features.. And to be honest, the more people cry/whinge/moan over 'why XXX feature isn't here yet' makes me glad that it isn't yet, because I'd rather have a working piece of hardware to enjoy...

But then again, I can't wait for them to release it, just so the wingers can shut up.. but then again, when it does come out, people will be complaining anyways, because it they don't like how it came out..

Vicious cycle... :rolleyes:

BL.

[bruinsrme]

Aww... tell us how you really feel... :rolleyes:

Honestly, I'd rather prefer stability and a non-crashing phone over hastily coded features.. And to be honest, the more people cry/whinge/moan over 'why XXX feature isn't here yet' makes me glad that it isn't yet, because I'd rather have a working piece of hardware to enjoy...

But then again, I can't wait for them to release it, just so the wingers can shut up.. but then again, when it does come out, people will be complaining anyways, because it they don't like how it came out..

Vicious cycle... :rolleyes:

BL.


There are 7 iphones in our little group. not one of use have crashes. all are jailbroken. since we can't whine about crashing phones/apps we need something like MMS to whine about.

[Digital Skunk]

Aww... tell us how you really feel... :rolleyes:

Honestly, I'd rather prefer stability and a non-crashing phone over hastily coded features.. And to be honest, the more people cry/whinge/moan over 'why XXX feature isn't here yet' makes me glad that it isn't yet, because I'd rather have a working piece of hardware to enjoy...

But then again, I can't wait for them to release it, just so the wingers can shut up.. but then again, when it does come out, people will be complaining anyways, because it they don't like how it came out..

Vicious cycle... :rolleyes:

BL.

The iPhone doesn't always work perfectly though, so since it's still just a phone and it doesn't have features other phone have, people are justified in complaining about missing features on a $200-$600 phone.

But I do agree about people complaining about something else once the iPhone does get MMS.

And it's whiners, not wingers, unless you did mean wingers and I would have to ask what is a winger?

[bradl]

There are 7 iphones in our little group. not one of use have crashes. all are jailbroken. since we can't whine about crashing phones/apps we need something like MMS to whine about.

Simple. You jailbroke, so now you're on your own. You don't think the rest of the non-jailbroken phones have MMS? They're all in the same boat as you, so whining about it is irrelevant. It isn't going to get you what you want.

And with it being jailbroken, Apple isn't going to care about you, as they are releasing their updates for phoens that haven't been jailbroken. So you want them to introduce a new feature to vanilla phones because you don't have it on your jailbroken phone?

Illogical and idiotic.

The iPhone doesn't always work perfectly though, so since it's still just a phone and it doesn't have features other phone have, people are justified in complaining about missing features on a $200-$600 phone.


If we're paying $200 - $600 on a phone and the phone doesn't work, you complain about what doesn't work and get that fixed, not add something new to it and expect it to work flawlessly while the rest of the phone goes to the s***s. Now you've added more onto the problem.

As a developer, you make what you already have out there STABLE, then introduce new features to it.


And it's whiners, not wingers, unless you did mean wingers and I would have to ask what is a winger?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whinge

BL.

[bruinsrme]

Simple. You jailbroke, so now you're on your own. You don't think the rest of the non-jailbroken phones have MMS? They're all in the same boat as you, so whining about it is irrelevant. It isn't going to get you what you want.

And with it being jailbroken, Apple isn't going to care about you, as they are releasing their updates for phoens that haven't been jailbroken. So you want them to introduce a new feature to vanilla phones because you don't have it on your jailbroken phone?

Illogical and idiotic.

BL.

And here I thought apple cared about pleaing the jailbreakers, darn:eek:

[macbookairapple]

Hehehe, once MMS is implemented, they'll just find something else to whine about, maybe copy and paste? :p

[bruinsrme]

Hehehe, once MMS is implemented, they'll just find something else to whine about, maybe copy and paste? :p

Next whine
Viewing msoffice files
Flash support (rumored in the works)
better camera

[bradl]

Hehehe, once MMS is implemented, they'll just find something else to whine about, maybe copy and paste? :p

Lessee.. Netshare, Copy/Paste, MMS, not available on xxx provider, Flash, Emoji..

I'm surprised nobody has complained that it doesn't figure out the winning numbers for tomorrow's lottery.

BL.

[vvebsta]

I dont know about the rest of you but I want a dual core iphone with more ram and faster app loading time... sometimes I hit the wrong app and I have to sit there and wait for the wrong app to load before i can go back to the home screen...rather annoying

[deftdrummer]

I think its BS. This is a function that should have been built in the first OS version. It's all about making money these days. Isn't it enough that we pay for unlimited internet? Why should the "privilege" of sending pictures come at a premium? Besides, MMS is crippled without the ability to send video. Video that you can RECORD from your phone in the first place. Until the iphone gets that MMS will be a joke. An expensive joke.

[nyboilermaker]

It seems like this pain-in-the-ass method of checking MMS messages could've been made a lot easier, even without built-in support. For instance - Instead of having to get the username and password from the message, write it down, then go to the site and log in, you should have a link sent to you(akin to getting free starbucks wifi on your iphone). When you touch the link, it opens up safari and displays your message without having to go thru all the BS... Just a thought.:confused:

I would love to know the real story as to why Apple doesn't do this...

[ryanw]

Nuggets!

MMS - great for most users. I absolutely hate the email only function. I get pictures from friends and family all the time. Usually simple things like, "I got a new puppy", or "look at this funny sign". Typically I am texting my friends and they send a pic and want to ask what I think. I don't want to go to blahblahmessages.com and check it. I don't want to enter some freaky userid and password. I want to see it, right then. Yes, emailing is better. Yes, friends and family can be taught to email pics. But they won't and they don't! Rate plans aren't going to skyrocket. The world isn't going to come to an end.

I don't agree that emailing is "better". Email isn't a "push notification" for everyone. I don't use the "Mobile Me" for my email, so I don't get it automatically. I have to be in the email application to see the email show up. With an MMS message I would see it instantly.

It's a huge downer to not be able to go into the "Instant Message" application and click a button take a photo and send to someone direct. I used to do that on my old motorola phone, and basically every phone I've had since the year 2000.

Not having MMS isn't doing anyone a favor.

Also, why the heck can't I go into the iTunes store and buy/download music over the 3G network? This doesn't make any sense. So I can download a FREE 10MB podcast, but I can't download a purchased 5MB song. Doesn't make sense......

[bigfatdummy]

Emailing is better* - simply a statement made because someone always says that. For me emailing is not better. Here is a perfect example.

I am a huge University of Utah fan. I graduated with my B.S., my wife with her B.A. & Doctorate of Law from the University of Utah. My two best friends (friends since we were too young to remember) went to BYU. The BYU and Utah game was recently listed as #9 Rivalry games of all time on rivals.com. Thus, as you can probably guess, Utah fans hate BYU, and BYU fan equally hate Utah. Needless to say its a big football game for my friends and me.

The week leading up to the game (last night) was full of trash talk, web posts, website tricks, (posting Utah pics on my buddies website) "The Shunning", and this year my BYU fan buddies refused to shave until after BYU beat Utah. I therefore decided to grow a beard to counter one of their beards just in case it gave BYU some good mojo.

During the first half of the game was quite close. Utah gained an early advantage but BYU quickly scored 14 points to tie the game. The 2nd half Utah slowly took control and a 17 pt lead. Due to the shunning, I hadn't seen my buddies in a couple weeks. The trash talk had continued during the game via text messaging. During the 4th quarter, with the game out of reach for BYU, I wanted to send a picture of my beard to my buddies as if to imply my beard had more power than theirs. Oh wait, I can't...

Sending to their emails? Loses the intent. The picture needed to be seen instantly for maximum mocking affect.

This is why I want MMS so bad. Its the picture of perfect waves being sent to your working buddy. Its the picture of a menu sent to a friend to let they know you are having an excellent meal and they are not. Its assigning the ugly freak to your friends team (they must accept all, they don't have a choice) via mms. Example: Tranny with a beard spotted on the street, you quickly take a picture (without letting the tranny know of course) and send it to your friend with the subject line, "Your Team".

End rant.

[beej90]

Finally, I have really missed having this feature. Not all of my friends have phones with email, So this feature is key for me.

[Bernie-Mac]

Simple. You jailbroke, so now you're on your own. You don't think the rest of the non-jailbroken phones have MMS? They're all in the same boat as you, so whining about it is irrelevant. It isn't going to get you what you want.

And with it being jailbroken, Apple isn't going to care about you, as they are releasing their updates for phoens that haven't been jailbroken. So you want them to introduce a new feature to vanilla phones because you don't have it on your jailbroken phone?

Illogical and idiotic.

If anything your post is illogical and idiotic. You say "Apple isn't going to care about you, as they are releasing their updates for phoens that haven't been jailbroken" like Apple released separate unsupported jailbroken model and hasnt updated it since release. Apple releases updates for iPhones...period. What you do with yours is your business. We are not on our own sir, all we have to do is a simple restore, or if we havent hacked it a lot, just hide the 3rd party apps and disable our sexy theme in winterboard for our trip to the Apple Store and they will be glad to help us with whatever problem we have. And when were done we just re-enable the theme and un-hide the apps. Voila! Apple wont know the difference. Ignorance is bliss tho, so enjoy your stock iPhone. Im going to record a video, send it in an MMS to my friend, text a few people in landscape, and customize a few icons here and there all on my iPhone :)

[vexious]

I'm so sick of the EMAIL IS FINE crap. Sorry all my friends aren't rich, nerdy, or iphone owners with email on there phone. God dang. OBV if email was fine and aallllll we WOULDN'T be asking for MMS!

[newyorkguy]

haha really?
i want to play around with one.

Storm has no wifi oldschool feature = Failed!

[newyorkguy]

I'm so sick of the EMAIL IS FINE crap. Sorry all my friends aren't rich, nerdy, or iphone owners with email on there phone. God dang. OBV if email was fine and aallllll we WOULDN'T be asking for MMS!
Because MMS is pretty expensive on most carriers. Extraordenary expensive!
So noo need for that. But copy/paste is something really basic and apple is unable to do it. Can´t understand it.:mad:

[tlapple]

you need more imagination. those 2 would be a good start.. features that have existed in other phones for years now.

not bashing the iphone, it is well advanced in other respects, but it's missing a ton of basic features

MMS and copy paste are the ONLY 2 things missing ....bring it on

[addicted44]

Why can't it be part of the iPhone? I don't want it as an App. That sounds like a hack job. I hope I can record video on my iPhone someday without jailbreaking it.

Everything on the iphone is an app. Including the phone aspect of it.

Only difference is that some are Apple provided apps, and some are 3rd party provided apps.

Once Apple gets the Push stuff going for 3rd party developers (it was supposed to be out in September, Apple!!!) then there should literally be no difference between the 2.

[MacLogically]

Don't care about MMS - what about simple text message forwarding? :rolleyes:

[koobcamuk]

copy/paste is something really basic and apple is unable to do it. Can´t understand it.:mad:

When you copy something, it's stored somewhere, to be pasted later. What happens if this transient zone is somewhere to store malware or a trojan or a virus...??

[newyorkguy]

When you copy something, it's stored somewhere, to be pasted later. What happens if this transient zone is somewhere to store malware or a trojan or a virus...??

virus for OS X??? Never heard about that.:eek::rolleyes:

[kdarling]

virus for OS X??? Never heard about that.:eek::rolleyes:

They're coming (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/technologynews/3513680/Apple-Mac-computers-targeted-by-virus.html). It's the cost of becoming popular.

Most/all updates for the iPhone have had security fixes. Including the latest:

Apple fixes security holes in iPhone (http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/859)

If you recall, the very first update was rushed out because a big hole in Safari was about to be made public.

[diamond.g]

Has anyone tried using their SIM in a MMS compatible phone? I was trying to send a MMS to a friend (from my non camera work phone) and it kept giving me an error. I am thinking that AT&T has to actually enable MMS service on our accounts. Which is odd cause I thought they charged MMS as a SMS.

[Alex2287]

Has anyone tried using their SIM in a MMS compatible phone? I was trying to send a MMS to a friend (from my non camera work phone) and it kept giving me an error. I am thinking that AT&T has to actually enable MMS service on our accounts. Which is odd cause I thought they charged MMS as a SMS.

I wouldn't put it past them.

[oban14]

Good god, it's about time. :mad:

[iphoneg33k]

They need to fix the who name display when u get a text
Message. I was on a conference call with other
People looking at my phone when a former
Employee txt me. They were shocked I stilled talked to her.
iPhone needs to go back to just saying " New Text Message"

[NGMstudios]

Why can't the iPhone send and receive MMS messages? Wow. Why are we having this conversation? The most innovative bit of technology to come along in years that is a phone and computer in one cannot receive MMS messages? I have had mine for a few months now and that was one of the first things I noticed.

Yes, you can email your photos but one of the points to putting a camera on a cellular phone is that you can send pics and video via multimedia message to someone, who hopefully has the capability and phone plan, very quickly regardless of whether they are in front of a computer or not.

One way this feature comes in handy (merely for example): I saw a piece of furniture my girlfriend and I were looking for but I wasn't sure if she would care for it or not so what did I do being that this was a spur of the moment thing? I "texted" her a pic of it. She got it minutes later. She hated it. But that's beside the point...

The apps that you can get fall short of what is expected with this arguably useful detail. Swirly is limited in some ways. But wouldn't a software update that fixes this issue be the seal on the deal? If apps become available that allow the phone to do this with as much ease as its counterpart, they should be free. Most cell phones come with the ability to receive and send MMS so one would think that the most innovative smartphone on the market could do this. Should it really be a question I need to ask before getting the phone? I think not.

Otherwise, this phone "rawks"...

[Ubuntu]

Why can't it be part of the iPhone? I don't want it as an App. That sounds like a hack job. I hope I can record video on my iPhone someday without jailbreaking it.

I totally agree. I want it all built in. Its also pretty embarrassing that various individuals have made some pretty good video recording apps, and Apple hasn't.

God knows they'll release something and end up charging us for it...

[Alex2287]

http://www.iphone-codes.com/20090108-144174-iphone-mms-now-available-in-uk/


Kinda exciting, no? If its legit.... Any UK-ers try it yet?!

Google MMS iPhone... there are some interesting articles, not including the Flutter ones.

[EDIT]
Sigh. read this article. Last paragraph... [sadface] WHY ":apple:", WHY?!

http://14sandwiches.com/

[MacMad100]

I can't wait for this - MMS messaging is so big in the UK and it is frustrating not to be able to use it. No one else has easy email on their phone, so emailing photos is no good.

On the other hand - a lot of people haven't received pointless, unfunny MMS messages since we all got iPhones.

MacMad

Waiting to buy a 15" MacBook (http://www.buymacbookair.net/) Pro - Will they bring out a matte screen version. How long to wait/gamble for?

[swagi]

http://www.iphone-codes.com/20090108-144174-iphone-mms-now-available-in-uk/


Kinda exciting, no? If its legit.... Any UK-ers try it yet?!

Google MMS iPhone... there are some interesting articles, not including the Flutter ones.

[EDIT]
Sigh. read this article. Last paragraph... [sadface] WHY ":apple:", WHY?!

http://14sandwiches.com/

...but it's neither official nor free. Check this site:

http://www.iphonemms.net/