First 24" LED Cinema Displays Arrive

[Yaya Yaya]

Saw one of these in the stores, loved it, will be ordering one.

[booksacool1]

Mini displayport ONLY? WTH?

Apple, you seriously confuse me. I thought you were trying to sell products and make money. Sure the panel may be great quality and have wonderful LED backlighting, but if no-one (other than the biggest techno-geek) can use it, its sorta pointless.

I love high quality Apple displays and all, but a few months ago I bought a cheap dell 24" for $407 AUD, as opposed to the $1500 AUD apple is selling their monitor for. :eek:

There is no denying that the Apple LED Cinema Display is a much higher quality monitor (High quality LCD panel, LED backlighting, iSight, Glass/aluminium construction), but I would struggle to pay 3.5 times the price for it.

Still, I hope the purchasers enjoy the monitor. I would if I could afford it.

[BenRoethig]

People *still* trying to claim you can get monitors like this from Dell/Walmart.

Um, no. You can't.

No, you can't. But a good portion of Mac users aren't in the market for a $1000 professional grade display, especially the new users who are coming in.

[grue]

i have a built in camera in my laptop, and my laptop came with a power supply. to me those features don't cost $600.

and i had the pleasure to see the new apple cinema display at the apple store, and i still think my $300 monitor looks nicer than that. my monitor has higher contrast ratio, brighter backlight, faster response time, and i don't have to deal with the glare of a glossy screen.

Well, there are people who think JBL speakers sound great, too.

In any case, I hate the new Cinema Display, I just get annoyed when people use flawed arguments.

[Akira1980]

Dear Apple,

I am getting this display ASAP! I was looking to buy a nice display.

But wait, it doesn't work with my 1 year old MBP? What the $#%^ Apple? :mad:

[zer0tails]

No, you can't. But a good portion of Mac users aren't in the market for a $1000 professional grade display, especially the new users who are coming in.

Totally agree. Also, I wouldn't even call the new LED display professional grade.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Dear Apple,

I am getting this display ASAP! I was looking to buy a nice display.

But wait, it doesn't work with my 1 year old MBP? What the $#%^ Apple? :mad:

It will work, you just need to buy an adapter. However the isight (and possibly sound) won't work. This isn't Apple's fault, but the old connectors don't support the extra stuff that the new one does.
I love high quality Apple displays and all, but a few months ago I bought a cheap dell 24" for $407 AUD, as opposed to the $1500 AUD apple is selling their monitor for. :eek:

There is no denying that the Apple LED Cinema Display is a much higher quality monitor (High quality LCD panel, LED backlighting, iSight, Glass/aluminium construction), but I would struggle to pay 3.5 times the price for it.

Still, I hope the purchasers enjoy the monitor. I would if I could afford it.

It's so expensive because it's LED backlit. Your cheap dell monitor definitely isn't

[orpheus1120]

It will work, you just need to buy an adapter.

Link to the adapter please.

I won't say it's possible until these adapters are out yet. Any claims before that are wishing thinking and heresay.

[Saladinos]

It will work, you just need to buy an adapter. However the isight (and possibly sound) won't work. This isn't Apple's fault, but the old connectors don't support the extra stuff that the new one does.


It's so expensive because it's LED backlit. Your cheap dell monitor definitely isn't

No, he's right - it won't work. The adapters are to let the new DisplayPort Macs connect to other screens, not let this screen connect to other computers. There's a massive difference. The adapter he needs doesn't exist yet, and may never exist.

Apple has marketed this new display at the new Macs. If you have an older one, it's not meant for you. Just like the lower wattage power adapters aren't meant for a more power-hungry Mac. It's been designed for the new Macs, and that's as far as it was meant to go.

[ksgant]

To everyone responding to this thread about "this isn't used for professional color work" or "professionals wouldn't use a glossy screen for color" blah blah blah have no idea what their talking about.

Anyone that uses the screen for color doesn't know what their doing. Plain and simple. They're relying on the crutch of calibrations and color profiles to save them and hold their hands...but the simple fact is that someone that does this for a living should be able to color correct an image using a black-and-white monitor. While this may seem like an extreme example, my point is that you don't rely on the transmitted RGB color of a monitor to color correct something that's going to be a printed CYMK or even something CMYK with 5th, 6th, 7th or more colors. I remember when Barco came out with monitors that had calibrators built right into the monitor (you pulled out the calibrator with it's suction cup and attached it right to the screen), yet every shop I went to that had these monitors, never used the calibration at all. We'd get new employees coming in with little to no experience sometimes, and they were shocked to learn we didn't use anything and they were totally lost.

While I know I've just pissed off a majority of the people out there that think they're knowledgeable professionals and hey, maybe you do make a great living on what you do. But if you rely on your monitor for accurate color, you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are. Unless of course it's just "good enough" for you. The "good enough" crowd seems to have taken over the graphics world and I look around and see how badly it's all become. The attitude permeates the industry now with "hey, such-and-such uses calibrations and profiles and they do work that's good enough, so we should also. I don't have time to learn all that stuff when this software and profiles are good enough to get what we want".

Hey, if it's "good enough" for you, have at it. But get used to complaining about monitors like this because all of a sudden you can't work like you want to, where I could sit down in front of this monitor with a huge, sunny, south-facing window behind me and I'd be able to work just fine. I guess I'm special. :rolleyes:

[orpheus1120]

Yah, you're the expert. So you must right. The rest of us are just a pile of BS.

[devman]

and i had the pleasure to see the new apple cinema display at the apple store, and i still think my $300 monitor looks nicer than that. my monitor has higher contrast ratio, brighter backlight, faster response time, and i don't have to deal with the glare of a glossy screen.

now we all know where your head's up...

[diamond.g]

It will work, you just need to buy an adapter. However the isight (and possibly sound) won't work. This isn't Apple's fault, but the old connectors don't support the extra stuff that the new one does.


Apple isn't even using the capabilities of DP (see USB sound). Plus the Cinema Display looks like it is direct drive. So no passive converter is going to work.

[D*I*S_Frontman]

To everyone responding to this thread about "this isn't used for professional color work" or "professionals wouldn't use a glossy screen for color" blah blah blah have no idea what their talking about.

Anyone that uses the screen for color doesn't know what their doing. Plain and simple. They're relying on the crutch of calibrations and color profiles to save them and hold their hands...but the simple fact is that someone that does this for a living should be able to color correct an image using a black-and-white monitor. While this may seem like an extreme example, my point is that you don't rely on the transmitted RGB color of a monitor to color correct something that's going to be a printed CYMK or even something CMYK with 5th, 6th, 7th or more colors. I remember when Barco came out with monitors that had calibrators built right into the monitor (you pulled out the calibrator with it's suction cup and attached it right to the screen), yet every shop I went to that had these monitors, never used the calibration at all. We'd get new employees coming in with little to no experience sometimes, and they were shocked to learn we didn't use anything and they were totally lost.

While I know I've just pissed off a majority of the people out there that think they're knowledgeable professionals and hey, maybe you do make a great living on what you do. But if you rely on your monitor for accurate color, you're not as knowledgeable as you think you are. Unless of course it's just "good enough" for you. The "good enough" crowd seems to have taken over the graphics world and I look around and see how badly it's all become. The attitude permeates the industry now with "hey, such-and-such uses calibrations and profiles and they do work that's good enough, so we should also. I don't have time to learn all that stuff when this software and profiles are good enough to get what we want".

Hey, if it's "good enough" for you, have at it. But get used to complaining about monitors like this because all of a sudden you can't work like you want to, where I could sit down in front of this monitor with a huge, sunny, south-facing window behind me and I'd be able to work just fine. I guess I'm special. :rolleyes:

I would think that, for press anyway, one uses a monitor to get "in the ballpark" with regard to the rendering of color, then run rough drafts out for proofs to double-check what the design will actually look like on paper with dyes and inks. I mean, really--even a theoretically 100% true and perfect screen will have a different look from a paper image due to the luminescence of the screen and what that does to your eyes, and what the physical mixing of inks in color processing does to the final product. Right?

Unwanted glare would be an annoyance for a graphics professional, I'm sure. But for a couple of decades now there has been one reliable solution to that problem: a MONITOR HOOD. Is that such a terrible solution?

So, isn't much of the histronics on this thread really irrelevant to working graphic design professionals? Aren't people really taking the lack of matte screens PERSONALLY, like Apple is hell-bent on intentionally disappointing them?

Man, I should start the "iHood" company, make a classy-looking aftermarket product that visually matches the new ACDs, and cash in on all this FUD.

[bobertoq]

Anyone remember the ADC? I thought Apple had learned their lesson...



iMac: 22.4" (http://www.apple.com/imac/specs/)
LED Cinema Display: 22.57" (http://www.apple.com/displays/specs.html)

You are quite right, it is wider.I'm pretty sure that's the width of the whole machine, not just the screen. The resolutions of the two are equal.

[twoodcc]

sounds great for those with a new macbook, but still kinda pricey

[Blue Velvet]

Unwanted glare would be an annoyance for a graphics professional, I'm sure. But for a couple of decades now there has been one reliable solution to that problem: a MONITOR HOOD. Is that such a terrible solution?


Monitor hoods help prevent ambient light cast and visually isolate the screen from its surroundings. What I don't like is reflections from windows and other light sources, or even seeing my silhouette. By having sharp-edged reflections on a different focal plane, it makes a busy display just that bit more cluttered and a working day more fatiguing.

I will not be buying one of these displays for that reason alone, apart from qualms about ports and the like. To be honest, at the price, I think this display as it is may have a good chance of being the display equivalent of the iPod HiFi. Expensive and slightly over-reaching in a crowded market where for many people, good enough is good enough. It just seems like an odd product for Apple to release when it can only connect to so few other products.

[hectors92]

it is somewhat pricey, even for apple. but at the end of the day maybe they can pull some magic out of their ass quality wise that would make this a somewhat viable option for someone seeking out a new display. i have to say the use of LED backlighting does make it enticing

[abijnk]

Well, I guess I must be that big of a sucker. I'm posting using my new 24" LED Cinema Display/Early Christmas Present. It's gorgeous and will be really helpful when I've got a good helping of windows open for programming. :cool:

[lenard]

What a beautiful display. Worth every penny. You really have to see and use this display in order to realize how good it is.

[slinky0390]

Mini displayport ONLY? WTH?

Apple, you seriously confuse me. I thought you were trying to sell products and make money. Sure the panel may be great quality and have wonderful LED backlighting, but if no-one (other than the biggest techno-geek) can use it, its sorta pointless.

I love high quality Apple displays and all, but a few months ago I bought a cheap dell 24" for $407 AUD, as opposed to the $1500 AUD apple is selling their monitor for. :eek:

There is no denying that the Apple LED Cinema Display is a much higher quality monitor (High quality LCD panel, LED backlighting, iSight, Glass/aluminium construction), but I would struggle to pay 3.5 times the price for it.

Still, I hope the purchasers enjoy the monitor. I would if I could afford it.

I actually think apple will make a good deal of money because of this. People are going to buy their notebooks, like myself, and some of those people will want to get a monitor for it and what do you know, they make one "just for" a laptop so they'll buy it. Apple effectively sold two products at once. As for myself, I just replaced my PB g4 with a new mbp and I love it to death so far. I also want to replace my 20" dell with a nice cinema display, but since the mini-display can handle dual-link dvi, I might go with a 30" if i can find the cash somewhere.

[Sehnsucht]

Only negative comment (beyond the usual bite your tongue on Apple Tax) is it was very warm to the point of being hot. I am unsure why a 24" monitor would run much warmer than say my iMac 20" 2ghrz that includes a processor and hard drive.

:eek: I knooowww...right? The one on display at my Apple store was SCORCHING hot!!! I thought LED is supposed to be much cooler than LCD.

But I'm still getting one, of course. :D

[abijnk]

:eek: I knooowww...right? The one on display at my Apple store was SCORCHING hot!!! I thought LED is supposed to be much cooler than LCD.

But I'm still getting one, of course. :D

The one at the Apple store where I bought mine was really really warm, too. However, I've had mine up and running since about 1:30 and it is no where near as warm as the one in the store...

[bobdard]

Wait till Jan before you buy a 30-inch display. I also wanted to buy the 30, but went for the 24 since the TV in my room is only 32 and I thought it might look odd having two displays of similar size...

[BWhaler]

I bought one today.

Sure, it's pretty glossy. But I don't do color work for print, and while I hate the reflection, the fact that the colors are vibrant and the screen looks great makes me happy with this purchase.

And of course, the fact that all the connections and power are done with Apple's flair is icing on the cake.

Sure, I (kinda) understand why some people don't like this display, but for my needs, it's simply perfect.

A great, simple display that looks great. I'm very pleased.

[fxscreamer]

Not impressed with this monitor.


No matte display
Doesn't rotate
Doesn't swivel
No height adjust
No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
No HDMI
Lack of zillions of other inputs
Overpriced


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp


Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
Has matte display
Has rotate
Has swivel
Has height adjust
Has HDCP
Has HDMI
Has zillions of inputs
$300 less


I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

Not impressed with this monitor.


No matte display
Doesn't rotate
Doesn't swivel
No height adjust
No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
No HDMI
Lack of zillions of other inputs
Overpriced


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp


Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
Has matte display
Has rotate
Has swivel
Has height adjust
Has HDCP
Has HDMI
Has zillions of inputs
$300 less


I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.

I agree with the level of suck on these new ACDs. I've got a 2008wfp and it smokes these things - even with an "inferior" CFL. (LEDs aren't much - if any - better than CFLs right now) I paid less than 1/2 the price.

BUT - I do think they are HDCP compliant - as it's implemented in these new laptops.

That aside - you can't use another device with it until someone makes an adapter. So no PS3 / Xbox, Blu-Ray ...

[fxscreamer]

I just want to add that many professional game and film developers use the Dell 2408WFP. It's got a lot of bang for buck. I have seen many behind the scenes videos of offices, and every one of them is using an Ultrasharp. (not that many also use Apple displays :) )

And for the record, yes...I've seen the new Apple display in person. MEH.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

I have the 2408WFP - type o.

I did have a 2007WFP - but I gave that to my dad as an HD TV. (gotta love the multiple inputs)
:D

[grue]

Not impressed with this monitor.


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.

To be fair, the 2408 has some pretty horrific output lag, unless they've fixed it since I last used one.

[frabber]

240PW9ES
http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/nl/nl/consumer/cc/_productid_240SW9FS_00_NL_CONSUMER/LCD-breedbeeldmonitor+240SW9FS-00#/consumer/nl/nl/consumer/cc/_productid_240PW9ES_00_NL_CONSUMER/LCD-breedbeeldmonitor+240PW9ES-00

450 EUR (vs 850 EUR apple display)
5ms
ips panel
178 degrees
hdcp
adjustable
only dvi-d + vga
matte (I think)

Have one in order.

[gregb08]

I just purchased the new 24 inch Led Display in the Walt Whitman Mall on Long Island. The monitor is even better at home than it looks in the store. Its really bright and clear and the colors are amazing. Yes there is glare, but its not bad. The picture is beautiful and pleasurable to look at.

I know the Dell is less but this integrates so nicely with my MP Pro. The built in power adapater is a great touch. The speakers sound really good and camera works great. The clarity is amazing. The display turns on instantly at full brightness. No denying its expensive, but it is great quality. It seems apple is moving in the glossy direction. I do not graphic arts and don't know whether the purist likes glossy or not, but I do know its beautiful to look at.

Very satisfied with the purchase.

[grue]

450 EUR (vs 850 EUR apple display)
5ms
ips panel
178 degrees
hdcp
adjustable
only dvi-d + vga
matte (I think)

Have one in order.

That's not an IPS panel, I don't think.

[klaus]

Not impressed with this monitor.


No matte display
Doesn't rotate
Doesn't swivel
No height adjust
No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
No HDMI
Lack of zillions of other inputs
Overpriced


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp


Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
Has matte display
Has rotate
Has swivel
Has height adjust
Has HDCP
Has HDMI
Has zillions of inputs
$300 less


I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.


My god. You people need to get their act straight. I don't buy a monitor to have zillions of input, hdcp, hdmi or whatever. I buy it to be accurate in color, and my alu display does all that a lot better than the dell displays. Just look at the panel, it's the PANEL that ultimately makes this monitor.


And about that new LED display, djeez, you guys are already making assumptions without ever seeing one or using one in person. Are you always crapping on products like that before laying eyes on them?

Must be an attitude problem. Sorry guys but all this wining and bitchering is bugging a lot of people on this forum.

No, i'm no apple fanboy, i'm talking in general.

[frabber]

That's not an IPS panel, I don't think.

from the manual lcd-ips , 1920x1200, 400cd/m, 102% NTSC Color, 90degrees rotatable, 178H/V angle, 5 ms. etc.

manual attached.

[Umbongo]

Not impressed with this monitor.


No matte display
Doesn't rotate
Doesn't swivel
No height adjust
No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
No HDMI
Lack of zillions of other inputs
Overpriced


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp


Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
Has matte display
Has rotate
Has swivel
Has height adjust
Has HDCP
Has HDMI
Has zillions of inputs
$300 less


I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.

This isn't a direct response to you personally, but everyone saying the same thing over and over.

Acer, ASUS, BenQ, Dell, Eizo, Hazro, HP, Hyundi, Iiyama, LaCie, Lenovo, LG, NEC, Philips, Samsung, Sun, Video Seven, Viewsonic. That's 18 companies that sell 24" displays, most sell more than 1. Including the previous generation of displays, which are often just as an acceptable choice, there are surely over fifty 24" displays available to people.

Why would Apple do the same thing as most of them and try compete in such a crowded, low margin, market? It doesn't make sense and that it is why they are selling a specialist item intended for a niche. Like most of Apple's hardware for the features you get it has competitive pricing, but if you only want some or don't value others then it seems overpriced. Apple can't make half a dozen displays that cater to all Mac owners and if someone can't find a 24" display that meets their criteria, well they probably need to find someone who can google.

[és:]

My god. You people need to get their act straight. I don't buy a monitor to have zillions of input, hdcp, hdmi or whatever. I buy it to be accurate in color, and my alu display does all that a lot better than the dell displays. Just look at the panel, it's the PANEL that ultimately makes this monitor.

I full agree. The lack of proper understanding of displays on this forum is incredible.

The backlight is very important, too. The colour accuracy in the pro apple displays (20-23-30) is much better than Dell. More uniform across the backlight, too.

I've not seen the LED backlit 24 yet, so I won't comment, but I'd wager that it's better for top level use than the plastic dell crap. I mean, people are seriously bitching about the price of a display that is made out of glass and aluminium with integrated isight and speakers, and then comparing it to something made out of cheap plastic with ****** components.

There is a choice between the two, if people want to save money and get a dell, that's fine - just don't try and pass it off as the same things or better, because it's not true.

[nick9191]

I full agree. The lack of proper understanding of displays on this forum is incredible.
So true.

It absolutely pains me to see people comparing a $399 24" monitor to a Cinema Display. Absolutely incredible.

In response to fxscreamer, why could you possibly want HDCP? Do you actually know what it is?

[rva1]

love it! (http://gallery.mac.com/mikeisgreat#100144&bgcolor=black&view=grid)

I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?

[tmoney468]

Not impressed with this monitor.


No matte display
Doesn't rotate
Doesn't swivel
No height adjust
No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
No HDMI
Lack of zillions of other inputs
Overpriced


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp


Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
Has matte display
Has rotate
Has swivel
Has height adjust
Has HDCP
Has HDMI
Has zillions of inputs
$300 less


I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.

Sorry, you can't compare the Dell to this new Apple Monitor. H-IPS + LED > S-PVA and CCFL. Plus the Dell still has issues with weird green tint on the screen itself. Look over at Hardforums at the 2408WFP thread. You'll see all the problems with the display.

[eXan]

I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?

You can choose to either use both displays in Extended Desktop mode, both displays in the Mirror mode and external display only (you just have to have mouse and kb connected)

[sangosimo]

apple is targeting a completely different market with theses monitors. Apple has based their accessory business on people that have more money than sense. A calibrated 2407 will perform just as well as a calibrated cinema display. Cinema displays are a purchase for aesthetics.

[Nik]

How bright is the Display in the lowest setting compared to the current iMac?
Actually, the current iMac is too bright for me in the lowest setting.

"Shades" is no solution as it compromises colors pretty much.

[rtheb]

The colour accuracy in the pro apple displays (20-23-30) is much better than Dell.
...
There is a choice between the two, if people want to save money and get a dell, that's fine - just don't try and pass it off as the same things or better, because it's not true.
If you go to:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

You will see that you are incorrect about some of the Dell Monitors in comparison to the Apple Cinema Displays:

As you can see in the following comparison that the Dell and Apple use identical panels in the 20" and 30" Displays


Dell 2007WFP 20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS(LM201W01)
Apple 20" Cinema Display (M9177) 20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01)


Please Note that Dell Started to send some 2007 WFP with Samsung S-PVA (LTM201M1) panels without notice which caused quite a controversy, but you could distinguish the panel type from the serial number last letter:
Check here:
http://www.hardforum.com showthread.php?t=1111100


Dell 3007WFP 30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)
Apple 30" Cinema Display (M9179) 30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)



However the comparison between the Dell 24" and Apple 24" are completely different in that the Dell uses an S-PVA panel and the Apple probably (but not confirmed as yet) uses a H-IPS panel with LED backlighting.

Dell 2407WFP-HC 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS01)
Apple Alu 24" 24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU2-(SL)(B1))

The New Apple 24" Display's major shortcoming is the use of the proprietary Mini-DisplayPort.

Use these figures for comparison only, your actual usage may vary.:rolleyes:

[jessica.]

apple is targeting a completely different market with theses monitors. Apple has based their accessory business on people that have more money than sense. A calibrated 2407 will perform just as well as a calibrated cinema display. Cinema displays are a purchase for aesthetics.

I could not disagree with you more. Setting aside the 24" LED, the ACDs have given me better color accuracy out of the box. Still calibrated (as any wise person should do), it does have a slight advantage over my 20" Dell calibrated using the same colorimeter. While I believe the ACD's price point is a bit steep, I have found that the aesthetics is an added bonus. Having owned both ACDs and Dell monitors, I have found my ACD has cooperated a bit more than the Dell did. Now, if you really need something swift then Ezio it is.

[frabber]

This isn't a direct response to you personally, but everyone saying the same thing over and over.

Acer, ASUS, BenQ, Dell, Eizo, Hazro, HP, Hyundi, Iiyama, LaCie, Lenovo, LG, NEC, Philips, Samsung, Sun, Video Seven, Viewsonic. That's 18 companies that sell 24" displays, most sell more than 1. Including the previous generation of displays, which are often just as an acceptable choice, there are surely over fifty 24" displays available to people.

Why would Apple do the same thing as most of them and try compete in such a crowded, low margin, market? It doesn't make sense and that it is why they are selling a specialist item intended for a niche. Like most of Apple's hardware for the features you get it has competitive pricing, but if you only want some or don't value others then it seems overpriced. Apple can't make half a dozen displays that cater to all Mac owners and if someone can't find a 24" display that meets their criteria, well they probably need to find someone who can google.

How many of them make high quality ips based 24 inches? I love the new 24 inch cinema display, but at the end of the day it's just a tool, arguably a tool you have to look at all day so aesthetics might make some sense. However seems like I can have the same quality for half the price these days, and I rather have people point me out to some serious competition. It's hard to justify the "georgeous" apple factor these days.., not to speak of the laughable sales black friday yesterday...

[abijnk]

I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?

Like so...

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=146331&d=1227976464 (http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=146331&d=1227976464)
Click for larger

[Umbongo]

How many of them make high quality ips based 24 inches? I love the new 24 inch cinema display, but at the end of the day it's just a tool, arguably a tool you have to look at all day so aesthetics might make some sense. However seems like I can have the same quality for half the price these days, and I rather have people point me out to some serious competition. It's hard to justify the "georgeous" apple factor these days.., not to speak of the laughable sales black friday yesterday...

To my knowledge five have 24" IPS offerings, all better options than Apple if display quality and value for money are considerations above simplicity. And of course most of the S-PVA options are better value, and several are going to be better quality.

[és:]

You will see that you are incorrect about some of the Dell Monitors in comparison to the Apple Cinema Displays:

Oh, for God sake! How many times do I have to go through it with people on this forum. It's like banging your head against the wall.

THERE IS MORE TO A DISPLAY THAN A PANEL!!!!!

For a start, the rejection process is different for both companies. To quote Steve Jobs 'Other companies use the panels we throw away' - outside that there is the different components and different quality of backlight. Then there is build quality - plastic v aluminium.

Also, they don't always use phillips either. I've had displays from both Dell and Apple to use in a professional environment.

This display thing drives me nuts.

[Big-TDI-Guy]

3 for 3 Dell LCDs - not a single dead or stuck pixel between them.

2 for 2 Apple LCDs - 7 stuck pixels on one, 3 on the other.

You sure about Apple using the pick of the litter???

[MacOldTimer!]

I would think that, for press anyway, one uses a monitor to get "in the ballpark" with regard to the rendering of color, then run rough drafts out for proofs to double-check what the design will actually look like on paper with dyes and inks. I mean, really--even a theoretically 100% true and perfect screen will have a different look from a paper image due to the luminescence of the screen and what that does to your eyes, and what the physical mixing of inks in color processing does to the final product. Right?

Unwanted glare would be an annoyance for a graphics professional, I'm sure. But for a couple of decades now there has been one reliable solution to that problem: a MONITOR HOOD. Is that such a terrible solution?

So, isn't much of the histronics on this thread really irrelevant to working graphic design professionals? Aren't people really taking the lack of matte screens PERSONALLY, like Apple is hell-bent on intentionally disappointing them?

Man, I should start the "iHood" company, make a classy-looking aftermarket product that visually matches the new ACDs, and cash in on all this FUD.

Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego). That proof is then sent to the press room where they use they keys on the press to match the customers copy.

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.

For video professionals.
Unless you are supplying a final output for the exact monitor (or calibrated to your monitor) you are producing your video on the monitor you're using is a mute point.

If it's for TV display, it's going to be displayed on everything from Tube to Plasma. If it's for the Web it's going to be used 99% of the time by your cheap monitors.

So, please...
If anyone in this room can show any logic that proves this wrong please explain it. I've been doing this in both arena for years.

By the way... Everyone viewing the Apple commercials from the internet are viewing it with their current (cheap, as this room says) monitors.

[frag-master]

can this monitor be use for anything else apart from macbook

[Umbongo]

can this monitor be use for anything else apart from macbook

Not at this time no.

[BWhaler]

I just purchased the new 24 inch Led Display in the Walt Whitman Mall on Long Island. The monitor is even better at home than it looks in the store. Its really bright and clear and the colors are amazing. Yes there is glare, but its not bad. The picture is beautiful and pleasurable to look at.

I know the Dell is less but this integrates so nicely with my MP Pro. The built in power adapater is a great touch. The speakers sound really good and camera works great. The clarity is amazing. The display turns on instantly at full brightness. No denying its expensive, but it is great quality. It seems apple is moving in the glossy direction. I do not graphic arts and don't know whether the purist likes glossy or not, but I do know its beautiful to look at.

Very satisfied with the purchase.

I own one too and I absolutely agree.

To the haters on this forum who are bashing this, you are not wrong, nor are you correct. It's simply your opinion based on your (perceived) needs.

What people here need to understand is that:

1. different people have different needs;

2. just because you need/want/think it should include certain features doesn't mean others think that way

3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population couldn't care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

People here need to calm down and think.

If you drive a pickup truck because you work in construction, do you go to Porsche websites and say the 911 sucks because there is no flatbead to put materials in and you can't tow a boat with it?

No. Of course not. It would be idiotic to do so.

So calm down haters and remember if the new displays don't work for you it doesn't mean they suck, it just means you should go buy something else.

[MacOldTimer!]

I own one too and I absolutely agree.

To the haters on this forum who are bashing this, you are not wrong, nor are you correct. It's simply your opinion based on your (perceived) needs.

What people here need to understand is that:

1. different people have different needs;

2. just because you need/want/think it should include certain features doesn't mean others think that way

3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population could care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

People here need to calm down and think.

If you drive a pickup truck because you work in construction, do you go to Porsche websites and say the 911 sucks because there is no flatbead to put materials in and you can't tow a boat with it?

No. Of course not. It would be idiotic to do so.

So calm down haters and remember if doesn't work for you it doesn't mean it sucks, it just means you should go buy something else.

This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.

[abijnk]

This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.

Petty insults don't make the other side of the argument any stronger. I bought one of these too. I could have gotten something much cheaper that would have suited my needs, but I had the cash and like the display (for many reasons). Big deal. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it, but classifying people who do buy it as "a certain type of person" just does yourself a disservice.

[MacOldTimer!]

Petty insults don't make the other side of the argument any stronger. I bought one of these too. I could have gotten something much cheaper that would have suited my needs, but I had the cash and like the display (for many reasons). Big deal. If you don't like it you don't have to buy it, but classifying people who do buy it as "a certain type of person" just does yourself a disservice.

No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.

[abijnk]

No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.

Intend too. ;)

I guess if that makes me a "certain kind of person" I'll roll with it. :p

[MacOldTimer!]

Intend too. ;)

I guess if that makes me a "certain kind of person" I'll roll with it. :p

Enjoy it sitting there while Apple Figures out the video problem with the only computers it works with. They have a rolling problem too.

From AppleInsider
Apple investigating graphics issues on new MacBook lines

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/26/apple_investigating_graphics_issues_on_new_macbook_lines.html

Coninue to beta test for the rest of us "other kind of people".

[baselisk]

i dont like these displays at ALL...

first, the black finish they added makes it look like any other samsung screen out there... they should have kept it all aluminum...

second, the display port theyre using is retarded. why do they have to keep changing perfectly good standards?

[rtheb]

THERE IS MORE TO A DISPLAY THAN A PANEL!!!!!

Such as matte display
ability to rotate
ability to swivel
height adjustable
VGA, DVI, S-Video, and HDMI outputs
Numerous USB ports
Audio out

All this and an S-IPS panel to boot:eek:

Here's hoping you don't choke on the kool-aid!:p

[gregb08]

No, it does my wallet a service. I can have the same, if not better quality, with many more input options for much less cost.

I'd rather pay money for something that isn't going to be out of date when the next computer and Standard (set by Steve) is going to be legacy equipment in 12 months (as countless people in this room have stated).

If it works for you, more power to you. Just keep drinking the Kool Aid.

This is a strange board. This is all subjective material. Its almost as if people take this nonsense personally. Its a computer monitor. If you think its cool,, like the picture and features, then so be it,, if you prefer something else, there are plenty of available choices.

I understand posting an opinion, but to bicker back and forth at each other with insults over a computer monitor, is pretty ridiculous.

If you cant afford something that someone else can, no reason to insult because you personally cant see spending that type of money.

And if someone buys something because it looks better in their set up,, thats fine to.

All should be welcome to express their opinion free form insults.

[Kebabselector]

3. Apple makes simple, elegant products. They don't include 40 different plugs because 99% of the population couldn't care less. That is their model. Dell's model is the opposite. Both are right and work for different types of customers.

4. These displays include speakers + iSight camera + 85 watt charger + no ugly power brick. Plus, this is extremely environmentally friendly, which costs more. Not one Dell/Sharp/Gateway monitor includes all of that. You are comparing different things.

Problem is Apple have created a good display that only a small percentage of Apple users can use.

Not environmentally friendly in power consumption, it uses more than comparable size LCD monitors.

[maverick808]

Not environmentally friendly in power consumption, it uses more than comparable size LCD monitors.

Are you quite sure? This is a monitor + a MacBook charger. If you subtract the maximum charge wattage of 85W for the MBP then is it still consuming more power than other 24" displays?

[mrcharlie91]

Does this monitor has wavy / horizontal lines like mba does? hahaha crap

[Kebabselector]

Are you quite sure? This is a monitor + a MacBook charger. If you subtract the maximum charge wattage of 85W for the MBP then is it still consuming more power than other 24" displays?


Looked a Samsung LCD display the other day, it uses around 50 watts to power it.

A LG panel uses 80 watts
A Lacie LED Backlit monitor uses 55.6 Watts (very expensive!!!)
An Eizo uses 110 W (maximum)46 W (typical) - so probably on par with Apple.

Not a lot in it, but the environmental thing keeps getting bought up. It looks to only be environmentally sound once broken down and recycled.

[NC MacGuy]

Thank you for passing the Kool Aid, I want one! Cable dangling from my Air for monitor, another for speakers, only one USB, need an octopus to plug in my charger and where can I buy an iSight?

[D*I*S_Frontman]

Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego). That proof is then sent to the press room where they use they keys on the press to match the customers copy.

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.

For video professionals.
Unless you are supplying a final output for the exact monitor (or calibrated to your monitor) you are producing your video on the monitor you're using is a mute point.

If it's for TV display, it's going to be displayed on everything from Tube to Plasma. If it's for the Web it's going to be used 99% of the time by your cheap monitors.

So, please...
If anyone in this room can show any logic that proves this wrong please explain it. I've been doing this in both arena for years.

Your logic is irrefutable, MacOldTimer--but do you offer it to support the argument that the new ACDs are fine for "pro" graphic designer and videographers, or do you side with those who think the cheaper Dell monitors mentioned here are better options? Not sure which way your "logic" swings on this.

I worked for a time with a publishing company and did some graphic design work for 4-color publications (brochures and catalogs). We always ran proofs with an Epson printer and included those with our electronic submissions for press people to adjust color to. We'd okay their proofs before actually going to press.

All of our monitors were complete HP Pavillion pieces of crappola.

I also did event videography for a while, where the final product was DVD and streaming web. When doing web stuff, you more or less have to play things down the middle, as monitor profiles vary so widely. Output for DVD was a little more standard, but color was not so much about dead-on accuracy as it was a series of cinematic, creative choices. I would review the final output on several different systems (conventional TVs, LCD screens, laptop monitors, etc). A decently calibrated monitor gets you into the ballpark.

I suppose that only time you really need super-accurate calibrated monitors is when doing high-end video editing for film output. Then you are dealing with more universal standards of final display (projection).

I do not mean to say, from this or my previous posts, that Apple Cinema Displays (LED/IPS versions) are the best deal on the planet. Certainly people can have personal tastes leaning towards or away from the new design. But the claims that "Glossy screens = Apple HATES professionals" is pretty much hogwash.

Plenty of rich 'n' trendy graphic design professionals are going to put the new ACDs to productive use and make a lot of money with them. Apple does not hate "professionals." They love them--especially the rich 'n' trendy ones! Those are the people who LIKE a new look and eco-friendly designs and will gladly "overpay" for them on a feature-per-$ comparison basis.

I'm NOT a "Kool Aid drinker" and I'll NOT be buying one for myself anytime soon unless I win the lottery. But some of the whining about the current LED/IPS ACD's features is getting a little out-of-hand, IMHO.

[MidgetMariachi]

I'm gonna have to side with the guys who think they can get something of more value for the money than this. That's just my opinion. The Samsung monitors do look pretty nice :)

Midget Mariachi http://photo-shack.com/img/6d3a1e06d6a06349436bc054313b648c.gif

[NC MacGuy]

I'm gonna have to side with the guys who think they can get something of more value for the money than this. That's just my opinion. The Samsung monitors do look pretty nice :)

Midget Mariachi http://photo-shack.com/img/6d3a1e06d6a06349436bc054313b648c.gif

As a monitor I 100% agree. There are a lot better choices in quality and price.
For a docking station, the new LED looks like it'll work for me quite nicely.:apple:

I have an Air and a MBP and not having to carry a charger back and forth to work will be a welcome convenience.

[Michael07]

I got the last one today at the UTC store in La Jolla today. I LOVE the monitor. It may not be for everyone, but it sure is for me.

[Weepul]

CRT's, much better than LCD's for colour work, all glossy glass.

Have you even looked at a CRT? I'm sitting at mine here and I can tell you, compared to even non-glass-covered glossy LCDs like the previous generation MacBooks (I see them every day at work), the CRT is much less reflective, though it's still glossy.

It's because glossy only refers to the surface texture - yes, a CRT's face is smooth and reflections are sharp, but it's also antireflection-coated so the reflections are much, much dimmer. I really wish I could borrow something with a glossy LCD so I could make a comparison photo.

It also only has one layer of glass, not a glossy LCD surface and then a whole additional pane of shiny glass over it.

If the glass is easily removable like that on the iMac, I'd consider one for my next monitor, presuming there's a way to use it with a future model Mac Pro.

[és:]

Such as matte display
ability to rotate
ability to swivel
height adjustable
VGA, DVI, S-Video, and HDMI outputs
Numerous USB ports
Audio out

All this and an S-IPS panel to boot:eek:

Here's hoping you don't choke on the kool-aid!:p

Like build quality, like back light uniformity, like component quality... You know, things that actually matter to professionals.

[MacOldTimer!]

Your logic is irrefutable, MacOldTimer--but do you offer it to support the argument that the new ACDs are fine for "pro" graphic designer and videographers, or do you side with those who think the cheaper Dell monitors mentioned here are better options? Not sure which way your "logic" swings on this.

Thanks for the backup.
The point of the post was not a slam against anyone that is getting one.
Yes, I can afford one but for my studio I'd prefer to go with something that I know is going to have staying power as well as the ability to move from computer to computer if/when necessary.

My SLAM is against Apple. This computer works with 3 computers in the world right now (what kind of moronic logic is this).
Lets say you want to take your laptop to another house or studio and they don't happen to have 1 of the 3 computers it runs on. You're stuck on your laptop.

You're in your hotel and can't just pull out a standard HDMI cable to finish up the last of your presentation. The list goes on.

I'm tired of Apples taste of the day. You make a comment that Apple does like professional designers. Sorry to disagree with you but if so...

Why is this monitor not compatible with the Mac Pro. All the power to run a monitor like this and no compatbility. It runs on 3 laptops.

Apple makes no sense these days and puts out products based on Steve's tantrum or mood of the day.

[és:]

Why is this monitor not compatible with the Mac Pro. .

Because it's part of a roll out. The other, better, displays will be released soon enough. The ACD's will be updated for professional users.

This display, with its isight and speakers, is aimed at the people buying their laptops - it's a perfect solution for the people it is aimed at.

[rtheb]

24″+ Monitor Panels in One Easy Table (TN/PVA/IPS) (http://www.chrisevans3d.com/pub_blog/?p=236)

[Horst]

Actually...
In the professional print world you are adjusting your output device to match the proof that the customer supplied (it's the customer you are trying to please not your ego)....

Ergo. Your monitor really doesn't matter unless you are using a display on press, which at this point doesn't matter because it's what comes off the press that matters and that's handled on press.


No offence, but after being a pro photographer for quite a while, I came to believe the professional print world is in most cases utterly incompetent, at least in Europe and the US.

It's not a lack of knowledge, but the way those people think.
They couldn't match a proof with a gun to their heads ...

I could not disagree with you more. Setting aside the 24" LED, the ACDs have given me better color accuracy out of the box.

I've not seen one single Apple display, external or laptop, with even a halfway decent and usable color accuracy out of the box. The Apple monitor profiles are a joke.

I'm using 4 ACDs on different computers, and am quite happy with them, but also had to send back a few 23" ACDs recently due to poor color accuracy.
Funny thing is, I never had a problem with the lowly 20" model.

For calibration i1pro is being used.

[mynameisraj]

Companies like powersupport can make so much money off of making products for these

[fxscreamer]

So true.

It absolutely pains me to see people comparing a $399 24" monitor to a Cinema Display. Absolutely incredible.

In response to fxscreamer, why could you possibly want HDCP? Do you actually know what it is?

I guess I should have elaborated on the fact that it doesn't have support for external devices to be used (360, PS3, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc). I laughed one time in an Apple store seeing a guy buy a 30" Cinema Display for his Xbox 360.....ain't gonna work. He was told as well, didn't listen. If you can plug in devices on monitors with no HDCP, I'd love to know. That has been a throwback on my buying decisions in the past.

The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid. Apple's monitor is form over function, the others are the opposite. Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor? I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around. Seriously? Wake up and smell the coffee.

[BWhaler]

This let me get this straight...

This monitor works for you because it "Looks Good with Your System".

If so, you are correct. This monitor is made for a certain type of person.

Ummm...why don't you go re-read my post.

I never said that. I didn't even imply it.

[MooneyFlyer]

I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered but I haven't seen in it in the ~300 replies.

I'm curious to know from anyone that owns the new LED monitor and an iPhone (2.5G if possible) -- Do you experience the same interference from the iPhone wireless signal that is typical when around other speakers / phones / etc.? The famous "GSM" noise.

Thanks

[ffransis]

On Friday last I picked up an LED Cinema Display from the Apple Store at Bluewater in Kent, and have been using it over the weekend. For what it's worth here are my personal impressions.

The aesthetic design is impressive, and the functional design is a definite plus in my book. The single breakout cable is most convenient to connect with my new MacBook, which at my home office desk I use exclusively in closed-lid mode. I have very little need of the camera, more of which later.

The backlighting is absolutely superb, as one would expect of the LED technology used. The display is very bright, and at my desk I need to turn the brightness down to around a third of maximum.

The glossy screen? This is a potential problem, but I would urge those who have issues with this, but at the same time do not have personal experience of working with glossy displays, to reserve judgement until they have actually tried one for more than 30 seconds in an Apple Store. In my office I can arrange things so as to minimise the reflections from the screen. I do find them mildly distracting, but then I've been using matte displays for donkey's years. What I do not like is the shimmering graininess of the old Apple Cinema Displays.

What is more problematic for me is the image quality. By that I do not mean quality on the bad-to-good scale, but quality in the subjective sense. I do not like what I perceive to be a shallow hardness in the image. The only way to adjust the screen parameters are through the OS X System Preferences displays pane, and even with the "expert" mode turned on, and after a considerable time of trying, the result is not to my liking.

I bought the LED display as I thought it would make a better functional match to my MacBook than the Dell S2409W 16:9 display that I've been using for the past month or so. Some may sneer at this €250 TN panel unit, but I'm quite impressed with it. The out-of-the-box colour saturation is far too strong, but a reasonably good calibration can be achieved with a combination of the OS X and on-unit controls.

I ought to point out that I'm a journalist by trade. As a writer and editor I don't have the same display needs as a photographer or other graphics professional, but I do require a display that I can look at comfortably for an entire working day (with, of course, the usual health and safety recommended breaks!).

What else can I say about the new Apple display? Connectivity is not as smart as it could be in terms of camera and sound, and you sometimes get a few screen glitches when plugging in. For example, the desktop icons may appear in the middle of the screen, and this requires a Finder restart to remedy. Also, the USB hub causes a sleeping MacBook to wake when you connect it to the display, but without activating the external display. These are all software issues that I'm sure Apple could fix in OS X updates.

The speakers are like those on the iMac, though with a fixed EQ skewed towards higher frequencies. Overall, the result is weak, and I would much rather use my cheap Advent 2.1 PC speakers, even though this means more cabling and desk space used.

As for the camera, I have little need of this, but would still like to have a webcam that can be used with my MacBook in closed-lid mode. Any recommendations, preferably which don't require manually selecting the camera in the applications preferences? I'm asking if there a way of making the system detect automatically that the MacBook camera is non-functional as the lid is closed, and have it instead look for a camera attached via USB.

In summary, I've tried the new LED Cinema Display in my working environment, and come to the conclusion that it's not for me. I shall therefore be returning it to the Apple Store before the 14 day trial period is up. For me it's back to the Dell S2409W.

[és:]

The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid.

Apart from the build quality (cheap plastic v alminum), the panel (Apple Cinema Displays use an s-ips panel) and the back light quality - then yeah.

Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor?

This one cracks me up - You can swivel it and tilt it - that's all you really need. It also has a vesa mount, so you can put whatever you want on as a stand.

I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around.

When the new set of ACDs are released, I'll judge then. For now this is aimed at macbook/pro users as it has speakers and isight. Does the Dell has isight and speakers? Thought not. Does the dell have LED back lighting? Thought not. Is the Dell made out of glass and aluminium? Thought not.

The bottom line is that both are available and I've got no problem with people buying either one. Get the one that suits you most - if that's the Dell then great, just don't try to pass it off as the same because it isn't.

[TJunkers]

I love how the new display's look.

I had a matte MacBook Pro and when I got the new one I am much happier. The matte screen looks sooooo old and dull. I do agree they should have the option for people obsessed with having a matte screen, but I love the glossy display... Then again, I rarely use my computer outside so I dont know...

[Mackilroy]

I guess I should have elaborated on the fact that it doesn't have support for external devices to be used (360, PS3, DVD/Blu-Ray players, etc). I laughed one time in an Apple store seeing a guy buy a 30" Cinema Display for his Xbox 360.....ain't gonna work. He was told as well, didn't listen. If you can plug in devices on monitors with no HDCP, I'd love to know. That has been a throwback on my buying decisions in the past.
It's a good thing he didn't listen, because you can use the Xbox 360 with a Cinema Display over VGA. No HDCP there at all, eh? Nope.

[Wolfpup]

I'd probably buy one, IF it had a normal compliment of ports. I'm sorry, but it's unacceptable for a monitor to not have at least two inputs...at least give us something like full sized displayport and DVI, with the ability to switch between them...something like that.

[slughead]

Q: So this is only compatible with 2 computers in the whole world
A: Yes.

NO. FAIL.

Let's try counting.


1. MacBook
2. MacBook Pro
3. MacBook Air

Yes, because 2 computers vs 3 is so freaking much more. So glad you cleared that up, because it makes such a difference.

Holy crap! how could he make such a grievous error?

See, if it were only compatible with TWO computers I don't own, that would be AWFUL, but being compatible with THREE computers I don't own is SOOOO many more options of compatibility it makes it great! What a FREAKIN AMAZING PRODUCT! CAN'T WAIT TO NOT BUY ONE FOR MY MAC PRO!!

Love fanboys, oh love them to death.

[Wolfpup]

Q: So this is only compatible with 2 computers in the whole world
A: Yes.



Yes, because 2 computers vs 3 is so freaking much more. So glad you cleared that up, because it makes such a difference.

Holy crap! how could he make such a grievous error?

See, if it were only compatible with TWO computers I don't own, that would be AWFUL, but being compatible with THREE computers I don't own is SOOOO many more options of compatibility it makes it great! What a FREAKIN AMAZING PRODUCT! CAN'T WAIT TO NOT BUY ONE FOR MY MAC PRO!!

Love fanboys, oh love them to death.

Yeah, that's...extreme fanboism :eek:

[namdnalsiroj]

So....

Any more news on the panel that Apple uses? :-)

[Sigur]

That sucks!

I just brought my MacBook Pro three months ago and now I can't even use a new Cinema Display with it? Apple should at least sell something like an adaptor for all the people who don't have the newest Mac.

[Akira1980]

That sucks!

I just brought my MacBook Pro three months ago and now I can't even use a new Cinema Display with it? Apple should at least sell something like an adaptor for all the people who don't have the newest Mac.

I think they will, or the third party will make it since MDP license is open to anyone. I am waiting for it that's for sure.

[rtheb]

Found this quote at AppleInsider

Comments about High-quality unboxing photos of Apple's LED Cinema Display (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93189)

Image quality will need further testing but is definitely better than many low-cost displays with vivid colors and good viewing angles. It's not, however, the exact same display from the iMac: the all-in-one lays out its pixels directly adjacent to each other, while the Cinema Display appears to use a staggered, more diagonal pattern that you can notice when very close.

Apparently the new 24" LED Backlight Cinema Display is NOT using the same H-IPS panel as the 24" iMac.

We must still wait for confirmation as to the panel type being used since no one has provided any definitive proof yet.

Here is the link to the main article with photos:

High-quality unboxing photos of Apple's LED Cinema Display (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/high_quality_unboxing_photos_of_apples_led_cinema_display.html)

[AidenShaw]

I think they will, or the third party will make it since MDP license is open to anyone. I am waiting for it that's for sure.

That's a license to make a plug that fits into the MDP port. (...or a port that the new display can plug into).

The question is whether the new display is native DisplayPort only, or whether internally it has the ability to handle HDMI, DVI and or VGA signals.

If the display is native DisplayPort only, a passive physical gender-changer won't work - the display wouldn't be able to interpret the HDMI/DVI/VGA electrical signals.

[SPUY767]

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[Grey Mouser]

Correct me if I'm wrong,. but doesn't the macbook air use a micro display port that is approximately half the size of the mini display port?

For the 2nd gen MBA, it uses the same Mini DP that the other MacBook's use.
:D

[gregb08]

The 2408WFP is roughly a $600 monitor, an 8-bit color accurate S-PVA photoshop panel, and comparing it to an Apple Display is extremely valid. Apple's monitor is form over function, the others are the opposite. Can you even swivel, rotate, or height adjust your monitor? I'm also absolutely dumbfounded the ACD didn't even have HDMI this time around. Seriously? Wake up and smell the coffee

I have 4 Dell 2408WFP monitors at work all on one computer and I have the new 24 LED Display at home for my new MBP. The monitors are not comparable, at least when it comes to the screen. The apple is much brighter and clearer than the Dell. It doesn’t even compare. Plus the Apple monitor is simply gorgeous. As nice as extra inputs are, I don’t look at the inputs all day, I stare at the screen. The vibrant colors and clear text are a pleasure to look at. Back to the inputs, as many as my Dell monitors have, the only one I used thus far is the DVI input connected directly to the computer. I will of course only be able to use the mini-display on the Apple led monitor. To judge a monitor solely on HDMI or other inputs doest make a lot of sense to me. If HDMI is a feature you must have, then the Apple monitor is not a good choice at any price. I don’t know whether the color accuracy is better or worse between the Dell and Apple. But as an unscientific observation, I can say the Apple is much more pleasurable to look at. Now the glossy vs matte discussion. Again, judging as a non-professional, the matte has more of a grainy effect where as the glossy is brighter and clearer. Yes, there are massive reflections when the monitor is off but I find them un-noticeable when the monitor is one; unless I specifically look for reflections.
People are bashing Apple for the Mini Display Port. I have to say, it’s a pleasure to use. The cord is thin, non-bulky and much easier to plug in than a DVI connector. My Finance uses and previous generation MBP with a DVI plug hooked up to an Acer monitor. It’s just not as smooth or easy when connecting and disconnecting the monitor.
The Apple LED monitor was made specifically for the MP Pro. It is a great companion. I got rid of my desktop at home and live mainly on my MBP. (Except for the work trading machine) It’s nice not having to sync computers and its great always having all my data with me. The convenience of the built in power adapter and the easy to connect mini display port makes hooking the display up or taking it with me seamless. As it is expensive, you do get a great product. I don’t plan to hook up anything to the monitor besides my computer and I suspect most users are similar to me. People who have never even seen the Apple product are comparing other models. It does cost a decent amount of money, but it also does offers superior quality.

[maverick808]

How many people have actually got one of these yet? I ordered on the 27th and mine still hasn't even shipped.

[maverick808]

At last mine is now "Prepared for Shipment", so I expect it to ship in the next 24 hours.

[Wolfpup]

That's a license to make a plug that fits into the MDP port. (...or a port that the new display can plug into).

The question is whether the new display is native DisplayPort only, or whether internally it has the ability to handle HDMI, DVI and or VGA signals.

If the display is native DisplayPort only, a passive physical gender-changer won't work - the display wouldn't be able to interpret the HDMI/DVI/VGA electrical signals.

Yeah, I sure hope this is more flexible than just supporting DisplayPort!

I would have ordered one the instant it was available *IF* it could at least handle VGA/DVI, hopefully component and HDMI ports too. Geez, I'd probably end up with one for work, one for home.

It's huge, probably good quality screen (glossy though?), and the kicker for me...LED backlighting, all at a decent price. But...Apple has GOT to knock it off with these absurdly restrictive inputs if they want to sell these to everyone.

[sangosimo]

I heard that this monitor is bollocks and has tons of input lag.

[maverick808]

I heard that this monitor is bollocks and has tons of input lag.

It's response time is 14ms, which is pretty typical.

[Wolfpup]

It's response time is 14ms, which is pretty typical.

Noooot really. That's pretty bad. Stuff's generally been 8ms or less for years now (I mean it's probably functional, but my screens from 2004 are 8ms). But that wasn't what they were talking about. They were talking about input lag, which is an issue with the support chips in the monitor, not the panel itself.

[tmoney468]

What do you guys think are the chances that Apple releases new monitors at Macworld that support the older DVI connections?

I've been waiting for quite some time for a great 24" monitor, and I might as well wait and see if they release anything at Macword that would have DVI built-in. A question though, would it make sense for Apple to have 2 lines of displays (one for mini-DP, and one for DVI)?

[Wolfpup]

What do you guys think are the chances that Apple releases new monitors at Macworld that support the older DVI connections?

I've been waiting for quite some time for a great 24" monitor, and I might as well wait and see if they release anything at Macword that would have DVI built-in. A question though, would it make sense for Apple to have 2 lines of displays (one for mini-DP, and one for DVI)?

No. As far as I'm concerned that would be idiotic. At the VERY least they should let this thing work with adapters for DVI, HDMI, and hopefully component and VGA.

[rtheb]

Apple 24" LED is H-IPS (with pic) (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=613717)




http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/alpha_ran/24-led-cinema-panel_type.png

[MooneyFlyer]

How many people have actually got one of these yet? I ordered on the 27th and mine still hasn't even shipped.

I finally tracked one down in the Boston store. I just kept calling the local stores until I got them to hold on to one for me.

All in all, I like it though it is taking a bit to get used to.
- Couldn't turn the brightness down with the MB keyboard, nearly burned my retinas out. An external Apple keyboard did the trick. I guess you could use display preferences if you didn't have an Apple keyboard.
- I have a number of icons on my desktop that are gone when I pull the monitor plug and go to laptop LCD. (Perhaps they are off the screen -- cleanup didn't get them back).
- I don't find the glare that bad -- certainly no worse than the MB itself. Extra brightness seems to mitigate this.
- Speakers are only ok. EQ makes them a bit better... I haven't heard the GSM phone clicking sound through them (yet)

[akm3]

Noooot really. That's pretty bad. Stuff's generally been 8ms or less for years now (I mean it's probably functional, but my screens from 2004 are 8ms). But that wasn't what they were talking about. They were talking about input lag, which is an issue with the support chips in the monitor, not the panel itself.

"Specs"(which aren't all measured the same way, and mfg's lie because we go WOW 8ms is better than 9ms!) don't tell the whole story.

Which, by the way, did you know you can get a 700watt amplifier from Radio Shack?

[Wolfpup]

"Specs"(which aren't all measured the same way, and mfg's lie because we go WOW 8ms is better than 9ms!) don't tell the whole story.

No, but 8ms was standard 3-4 years ago. I haven't seen anything higher than that in years. <8ms, like 2ms has been common for years. It's very...odd at the least. I mean 14ms if it really is that could still be okay, but...

[Umbongo]

No, but 8ms was standard 3-4 years ago. I haven't seen anything higher than that in years. <8ms, like 2ms has been common for years. It's very...odd at the least. I mean 14ms if it really is that could still be okay, but...

If 2ms seems common that is because TN panels are common. Non-TN panels have slower response times and if you haven't seen it then it's because manufacturers are lying or misrepresenting the numbers or you aren't looking at high end displays.

[eXan]

No, but 8ms was standard 3-4 years ago. I haven't seen anything higher than that in years. <8ms, like 2ms has been common for years. It's very...odd at the least. I mean 14ms if it really is that could still be okay, but...

<8ms is crap TN panels. High-end IPS panels (like in ACD, LED or not) have >14ms response, which is measured not from gray-to-gray, but black-to-white.

When I compared a 2 ms display to a 14 ms 23" ACD in store I saw no difference when moving objects on screen.

In short, specs for displays are nothing

[BenRoethig]

<8ms is crap TN panels. High-end IPS panels (like in ACD, LED or not) have >14ms response, which is measured not from gray-to-gray, but black-to-white.

When I compared a 2 ms display to a 14 ms 23" ACD in store I saw no difference when moving objects on screen.

In short, specs for displays are nothing

Using one of those crap TN displays in the 20" iMac, I've had no problems. Then again, I am not a photoshop professional. As always, different tools for different needs.

[eXan]

Using one of those crap TN displays in the 20" iMac, I've had no problems. Then again, I am not a photoshop professional. As always, different tools for different needs.

Wrong quote?

[Wolfpup]

If 2ms seems common that is because TN panels are common. Non-TN panels have slower response times and if you haven't seen it then it's because manufacturers are lying or misrepresenting the numbers or you aren't looking at high end displays.

Yes non TN panels are slower, but they've been 8ms or better for YEARS now.

<8ms is crap TN panels. High-end IPS panels (like in ACD, LED or not) have >14ms response, which is measured not from gray-to-gray, but black-to-white.

No, they don't. Not unless Apple is listing their screens differently from everyone else. I don't own any TN screens, and all of mine have 8ms response times, and all of mine are at LEAST 2.5 years old.

When I compared a 2 ms display to a 14 ms 23" ACD in store I saw no difference when moving objects on screen.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. 25ms panels can look completely fine for a lot of things, but for other things 8ms panels are noticeably slow (though certainly not terrible).

[Umbongo]

Yes non TN panels are slower, but they've been 8ms or better for YEARS now.

Some may have list 6ms or 8ms g2g, certainly on S-PVA, but that is often not true. IPS panels certainly have higher response times, especially on 24"+ panels.

No, they don't. Not unless Apple is listing their screens differently from everyone else. I don't own any TN screens, and all of mine have 8ms response times, and all of mine are at LEAST 2.5 years old.

Which models do you have?

[Wolfpup]

I've got a Sony TV, a Dell and a Samsung...actually a few of my monitors are 25ms too. I think the Dell uses an AUO panel? And I have another Dell with a Samsung panel, but it's 25ms.

[Umbongo]

I've got a Sony TV, a Dell and a Samsung...actually a few of my monitors are 25ms too. I think the Dell uses an AUO panel? And I have another Dell with a Samsung panel, but it's 25ms.

See those 25ms numbers are probably typical response times and the low numbers they use are grey to grey, you might find they all perform at a similar level. It's probably best not to worry about response times manufacturers list and look at the average delay (input lag + response time) as that is the only way to get the true story.

As for Apple they went with best quality panel they could and the response time is really beyond their control.

[Wolfpup]

See those 25ms numbers are probably typical response times and the low numbers they use are grey to grey, you might find they all perform at a similar level. It's probably best not to worry about response times manufacturers list and look at the average delay (input lag + response time) as that is the only way to get the true story.

As for Apple they went with best quality panel they could and the response time is really beyond their control.

The 25ms is because they're older panels, and they are much much slower than my 8ms panels, although not unusable (though I'm not switching back to them!)

This is still odd, at the very least. I'm VERY disappointed in what they did with this panel-complete lack of inputs, apparently it has input lag, and a very slow response time on top of that for a 2008 screen. :(

I would have bought 2 if not for all those things.

[eXan]

Yes non TN panels are slower, but they've been 8ms or better for YEARS now.

Not on IPS

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. 25ms panels can look completely fine for a lot of things, but for other things 8ms panels are noticeably slow (though certainly not terrible).

If hands-on experience doesn't mean anything that surely there's some uber-synthetic-benchmark that helps "reveal" the awesomeness of 2ms displays? >_>

[Wolfpup]

I'm sure there are benchmarks, I just mean you may not see it right away just playing with it at a store. Even my 25ms panels look flawless under a lot of conditions. I mean I don't know, this screen may be phenomenal, but it sounds like it has two or three issues that may be huge for some people.

[Patcoola]

it's good but no vga or dvi options, come on

[DavoMrMac]

These new Cinema Displays look really nice, but Apple need to address those that want a matte display with built-in iSight.

[e-coli]

I just went by the Apple store to see this thing for myself. It was hooked up to a brand new MBP. I opened Photoshop and started moving the color slider to see the color range. Stair-stepping in the color gradients (specifically in the blue range) was pretty obvious. It's very clear that it cannot display nearly as many colors as the previous generation Cinema Displays. Just to compare, I walked over to a 24" iMac and did the same test, and the iMac actually had a wider color gamut than the LED Cinema Display did.

Very disappointing.

[Wolfpup]

Dell just announced two LED backlit monitors in a new 'e' (environmentally non-horrible) series. 22 and 24". The 24" is supposed to cost $379 and draw an average of 20 watts, which is pretty crazy.

It's got normal inputs, but the bad thing is I'm assuming for the price it must be a TN panel. Even still, I'll probably pick one up next month. Wish Apple would get away from their proprietary thing, but they've always been like that :(

[BenRoethig]

If you're not a pro, TN isn't that bad. I've had no problems with the TN screen in my iMac.

[Wolfpup]

The whole "pro" distinction is...I don't like it.

I just like good looking screens :D

I've never used a TN screen for any real length of time. My desktop monitors are both MVA/PVA and my TV is either that or IPS :-/

Still, for the price...

If Apple would have just had a normal set of inputs (and controls) on this monitor, I'd already own one (or two)!

[Akira1980]

it's good but no vga or dvi options, come on

I would already bought one if it worked with my older MBP. :(

[Wolfpup]

Geez, I wonder how many sales they've lost from not having multiple connections? I'm not exaggerating when I say I would own at least one by now. (At least assuming the input lag is fixed or was misreported.)

[Akira1980]

Geez, I wonder how many sales they've lost from not having multiple connections? I'm not exaggerating when I say I would own at least one by now. (At least assuming the input lag is fixed or was misreported.)

I really don't get the logic for not supporting DVI. I tried to come up with any good reason, but I really can't think of any. :confused:

[VoR]

I really don't get the logic for not supporting DVI. I tried to come up with any good reason, but I really can't think of any. :confused:

DVI is a large ugly connector and probably cost a few cents to integrate.

Competence and priorities++++++

[Wolfpup]

Anyone who thinks DVI is "large and ugly" has seriously skewed priorities :D

And I seriously see that on Apple's pages, as though this was a big problem they've solved :eek:

Err...not to mention I haven't even SEEN my DVI port in years. But Apple has now saved people the horror of looking at it for 30 seconds when they set up their monitor :D

[Mr. Giver '94]

GRRRRR I'm desperately waiting for them to update the rest of the line. Anyone speculating the other sizes???

I'm guessing the whole line will be 24" 28" and 32"
/crosses fingers for 32" monitor/