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Yaris
Nov 27, 2008, 09:09 PM
I am probably going to buy this 1.8 DP G5 next week:
http://www.macofalltrades.com/G5_1_8GHz_Dual_Processor_1_0_160GB_SuperDrive_p/g518dp1.htm

I have read that some 1.8s have 8 slots for ram and can take up to 8GB but some have 4 slots and only take up to 4GB RAM. Is there any way to determine between the two?



Tallest Skil
Nov 27, 2008, 09:13 PM
You could buy an Intel Mac Mini for that price and it would be twice as powerful. If you wait until they update the Mini (probably at MacWorld), it could very well be three times as powerful at that price, and you'd be able to run Snow Leopard.

Yaris
Nov 27, 2008, 09:22 PM
I guess that is true, but I don't really want another mini because of the integrated graphics, low RAM, and slow small hard drives. I can put at least two hard drives in a G5. I think for now I might just wait and see if the mini will be discontinued or updated. I mean I do REALLY want a tower but I can't afford the Mac Pro.

zmttoxics
Nov 27, 2008, 09:26 PM
You could buy an Intel Mac Mini for that price and it would be twice as powerful. If you wait until they update the Mini (probably at MacWorld), it could very well be three times as powerful at that price, and you'd be able to run Snow Leopard.

+1 to that. Getting harder and harder to recommend a g5 these days. There might not even be a java6 update for PPC, only Intel. Even though I just got mine, I needs my java so I may be replacing it before the next summer.

OrangeSVTguy
Nov 27, 2008, 11:02 PM
For $600 and no keyboard and mouse in stock configuration... that's way too much. I don't think it's worth more than $400. I think it's either early or late 2004 that determines if it's got 4 or 8 slots. Mine only has 4 slots [:(]. Shoot for $600 I'd gladly sell you mine if I was looking to sell mine. Mine is far from stock and I still have everything for it, including the box and K/M.

Good luck. I'd wait if I were you too.

Fonzijr1964
Nov 27, 2008, 11:03 PM
I am probably going to buy this 1.8 DP G5 next week:
http://www.macofalltrades.com/G5_1_8GHz_Dual_Processor_1_0_160GB_SuperDrive_p/g518dp1.htm

I have read that some 1.8s have 8 slots for ram and can take up to 8GB but some have 4 slots and only take up to 4GB RAM. Is there any way to determine between the two?

waste of ur hard earned money

If the Mini gets the Graphics the MB's have u will be set

IroquoisPliskin
Nov 28, 2008, 02:07 AM
For $600 find a dual 2.0 or 2.3

Phil A.
Nov 28, 2008, 03:11 AM
I guess that is true, but I don't really want another mini because of the integrated graphics, low RAM, and slow small hard drives. I can put at least two hard drives in a G5. I think for now I might just wait and see if the mini will be discontinued or updated. I mean I do REALLY want a tower but I can't afford the Mac Pro.

Understandable about the low memory and small hard drive, but the GMA950 integrated graphics are probably faster than the GeForce 5200 in that PowerMac and if they refresh the mini with the NVidia chipset, it'll completely blitz the old G5...

Luftwaffles
Nov 28, 2008, 04:09 AM
I picked up a Dual 2.0Ghz PCI-X model with 4GB RAM on eBay for $750. Came with the 5200 Ultra, 160GB HD and Tiger installed. The case is darn-near pristine, no bends or scratches. (Someone finally learned that the handles aren't footrests!) Sure, it may not be the fastest, but dropping $2000 on the next best Intel-based thing was not an option for me in my poor college-student state.

If you're patient and lurk around on eBay for a little while, you'll find a great deal on used PMG5s. With the threat of Apple and Adobe removing PPC support entirely, people are dropping their trusty G5s onto the market at reasonable prices to move up to the Mac Pros.

As a note to everyone who warns against the G5s, I'm pretty sure that anyone who's still considering buying one is obviously not using it for terribly processor-intensive stuff. People who really need the octo-core processing power of a MP can justify the cost.

Yaris
Nov 28, 2008, 08:18 AM
Well I found a dual 1.8 G5 on craigslist for $500 but my parents really don't want me to risk buying from anywhere other than a dealer that sells refurbished ones with a warranty, so I am not currently allowed to buy a G5 from ebay, which sucks. So yeah I think I'll wait and see what happens to the mini at Macworld or save up for a pro. Thanks guys.

IroquoisPliskin
Nov 28, 2008, 09:08 AM
my parents really don't want me to risk buying from anywhere other than a dealer that sells refurbished ones with a warranty

Thats completely ridiculous. They might as well say "We want you to pay twice as much to get the EXACT same computer."

Buying from craigslist is better than eBay. The prices are usually cheaper AND you pick it up in person which means you can test it before you hand over your cash.

eBay is also as good as the dealer. Read the descriptions, most sellers often have a non-DOA warranty and if they do screw you over you will get your money back from PayPal (NEVER pay with a money order!)

There is no reason to waste your money on a dealer.

Yaris
Nov 28, 2008, 09:35 AM
I know. That's what I told them. They have the mindset that anyone on ebay or craigslist is trying to unload defective merchandise. Like, even if I go over there and try the machine out they say that the thing could blow up or break in a few days and then I would be screwed. I told them that used mac dealers sell for way too much and their reply was basically "That sucks then." I'm gonna try to convince them to let me buy from ebay.

IroquoisPliskin
Nov 28, 2008, 09:39 AM
They have the mindset that anyone on ebay or craigslist is trying to unload defective merchandise.
Maybe people just want to sell their old computer for some cash rather than let it sit doing nothing?

I just don't know what to do now.
New parents.

Dealers can actually be WORSE than eBay or craigslist. They often cut corners to maximize profit!

Yaris
Nov 28, 2008, 07:59 PM
Well, I have decided to instead save up for a refurb mac pro. I believe that if I buy one maybe early next year it should last me through college :).

Eric5h5
Nov 28, 2008, 08:26 PM
You could buy an Intel Mac Mini for that price and it would be twice as powerful.

I don't know where you got that idea. I have an Intel Mac Mini and a dual 2.5 G5, and the Mini is pretty laggy compared to the G5. It's also much, much worse in the graphics department, with the GMA 950 vs. an X800. The Mini does boot up slightly faster than the G5, but since I rarely reboot anyway that's hardly a win. I only got the Mini for a specific reason, and not to replace my G5, which is a good thing, because while the Mini is OK for what it is, the G5 is definitely more powerful. Even though the dual 1.8 G5 is slower than the 2.5, I'd take the G5 over a Mini any day, if it was my only Mac. Saving for a refurb Mac Pro sounds like the best idea.

--Eric

OrangeSVTguy
Nov 28, 2008, 09:27 PM
Well, I have decided to instead save up for a refurb mac pro. I believe that if I buy one maybe early next year it should last me through college :).

That's even better! Will you be staying in a dorm? Maybe an iMac or Macbook Pro would suit you better because of space issues? Will you be using your Mac for your major or is it just for entertainment/studying?

Yaris
Nov 28, 2008, 10:40 PM
I was sort of joking around in that last post. I'm only a sophomore in high school right now but honestly the pro is so powerful I don't think it'll be outdated in six years. I think by the time I do (hopefully) get to college I'll have a laptop but for now I don't really need one.

Luftwaffles
Nov 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
That's even better! Will you be staying in a dorm? Maybe an iMac or Macbook Pro would suit you better because of space issues? Will you be using your Mac for your major or is it just for entertainment/studying?
Most dorms I've seen have decent space for a desktop computer setup. Granted, you probably won't be able to fit a 30 inch jumbo-tron display on the desk, but in my dorm I have two 19-inch Acer widescreens tethered to both a Vista box (on VGA ports) and a PowerMac G5 (On the native DVI ports).

Throw a keyboard and mouse (Apple Pro and big bulky MS trackball) into the mix and I still have room to stick my 15-inch MacBook Pro on the left-hand side, just in front of my 1 1/2-foot-long surge suppressor.

Yeah, there are ALOT of cables. But oh well. ;)

RitoRevolto
Nov 30, 2008, 02:38 PM
but honestly the pro is so powerful I don't think it'll be outdated in six years.

Thats what they said about the G4... and G5.

ChemiosMurphy
Nov 30, 2008, 06:10 PM
I'd just get an iMac.

I'm an editor and we have 2 old G5's at my workplace, and it's so damn slow rendering and is just laggy in general. Oh, we had 3 but one blew up last week.

Get the iMac. What kind of stuff would you be doing with it? Are you going to be doing Audio/Video? If you are just going to surf the web, the G5 might work, but Snow Leopard and other stuff might not be upgraded for the PPC. Intel based stuff is future-proofed. And you are only a soph in High School! The iMac will be fine, and you get a decent screen with it, and new Keyboard/Mouse.

gdeusthewhizkid
Dec 2, 2008, 08:32 AM
Im with the others and the g5 is just not worth it. Mac pro all the way. I have a g5 that i bought last jan and im thinking of getting a intel machine. Preferably a refurb mac pro. The g5 i upgraded myself and it's still slow it has 4 gig of ram and a seperate hard drive for audio.

bite the bullet and get a mac pro if you can or a imac. I use a lot of soft synths and my hard drive space is filling up and i get sound errors on big sample libraries.

grrr..

TheG3Guy
Dec 2, 2008, 06:43 PM
DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. I recently bought a Dual 2GHz G5 off ebay with 3.5gb ram and this thing BLOWS my mac mini away. I dont care if its core2duo, the graphics on the mini are HORRIBLE and my G5 Easily keeps doom 3 at 45fps and the mac mini gets maybe 5fps. The dock is smoother under magnification, and i just think its faster and more expandable. This thing should be great as I do not need to run windows, as that is why I own macs....to escape that atrocity. :cool:

Yaris
Dec 4, 2008, 06:04 PM
What video card does your G5 have? The one on macofalltrades.com comes with a FX5200 which is pretty bad. The reason I am concerned about the AGP cards is because they are pretty expensive because of how rare they are.

OrangeSVTguy
Dec 4, 2008, 06:24 PM
What video card does your G5 have? The one on macofalltrades.com comes with a FX5200 which is pretty bad. The reason I am concerned about the AGP cards is because they are pretty expensive because of how rare they are.

I have the 256mb ATI Radeon 9800 Pro Se card. It's a really nice card, I think one of the best AGP you can get if I'm not mistaken. If you buy a G5 try buying one that has PCI-E. Also they use DDR2 which is also much cheaper. The FX5200 64mb is decent as that was my stock card. If I remember correctly, it didn't support Core Image on Leopard becuase I don't remember the visual effects like the clear menubar before I switched and after I swaped to the 9800, my menubar turned clear.

zmttoxics
Dec 4, 2008, 06:48 PM
What video card does your G5 have? The one on macofalltrades.com comes with a FX5200 which is pretty bad. The reason I am concerned about the AGP cards is because they are pretty expensive because of how rare they are.

The AGP cards are cheaper because they made more of them. Replacement / upgrade PCIe g5 cards are 200-700 dollars. The Agp cards start around 50 bucks.

My G5 is a PCIE model, with 6 gigs of ddr2 ram etc. My 2.16 macbook with onboard video kicks the crap out of it. It only gets 20 more points over the g5 (120 for MB and 100 for G5) on XBench, but the vmware ability etc make the macbook the clear winner.

The only advantage to a 2.0 DC or DP g5 is storage. So if external drives really arent your thing, then get the g5.

QuantumLo0p
Dec 4, 2008, 07:00 PM
DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE PEOPLE. I recently bought a Dual 2GHz G5 off ebay with 3.5gb ram and this thing BLOWS my mac mini away. I dont care if its core2duo, the graphics on the mini are HORRIBLE and my G5 Easily keeps doom 3 at 45fps and the mac mini gets maybe 5fps. The dock is smoother under magnification, and i just think its faster and more expandable. This thing should be great as I do not need to run windows, as that is why I own macs....to escape that atrocity. :cool:

Minis are one step above a mobile phone.
:D

tompon1923
Dec 5, 2008, 04:18 PM
The AGP cards are cheaper because they made more of them. Replacement / upgrade PCIe g5 cards are 200-700 dollars. The Agp cards start around 50 bucks.

My G5 is a PCIE model, with 6 gigs of ddr2 ram etc. My 2.16 macbook with onboard video kicks the crap out of it. It only gets 20 more points over the g5 (120 for MB and 100 for G5) on XBench, but the vmware ability etc make the macbook the clear winner.

The only advantage to a 2.0 DC or DP g5 is storage. So if external drives really arent your thing, then get the g5.

?? :eek: My macbook must be crippled, lol

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/tompon922/Picture1-3.png

Some single G5's got even a higher score.

apple2E
Dec 5, 2008, 05:08 PM
?? :eek: My macbook must be crippled, lol

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/tompon922/Picture1-3.png

Some single G5's got even a higher score.

For sure there is something wrong there...

zmttoxics
Dec 5, 2008, 05:26 PM
?? :eek: My macbook must be crippled, lol

Some single G5's got even a higher score.

Hmm. Yours is newer then mine too. I would bet you have a harddrive issue. What harddrive do you have? It plays a major role in your xBench score. I would look at testing it and possibly replacing it if it really is that slow. My 5400rpm 250GB and 7200rpm 320GB perform about the same (I only got a little higher on the xbench with the 320).

Here are my g5 and macbook benches, my macbook is a clear winner.
G5 (97, ignore swirl, i blurred out my name):
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/zmttoxics/xbench_g5-1.jpg

MB (122):
http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq261/zmttoxics/xbench_mb.jpg

tompon1923
Dec 6, 2008, 04:28 AM
I don't think it's really hardware related because my score on geekbench is pretty sollid. I still have the stock 120gb but I'm probably replacing it by christmas anyway.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/tompon922/Picture3.png

zmttoxics
Dec 6, 2008, 09:34 AM
I don't think it's really hardware related because my score on geekbench is pretty sollid. I still have the stock 120gb but I'm probably replacing it by christmas anyway.



I am not sure how geekbench does it, but xBench pulls actual read and write speeds for its harddrive score. So if the disk is having a bad day, you get a low score. I will run geekbench on my 2 rigs later tonight.

Firefly2002
Dec 6, 2008, 04:16 PM
I wouldn't recommend buying anything earlier than a Dual-Core G5 to be honest

zen.state
Dec 6, 2008, 04:23 PM
Minis are one step above a mobile phone.
:D

A C2D cpu is no slouch. Thats what the current mini's have. My 1.83GHz scores a 117 on xbench 1.3 and about 2400 on geekbench.

I'm a pretty serious geek but not a gamer and the mini is all the power I need. Sadly only about 5% of the people in the world with powerful computers really need them.

Fiveos22
Dec 6, 2008, 04:58 PM
I am probably going to buy this 1.8 DP G5 next week:
http://www.macofalltrades.com/G5_1_8GHz_Dual_Processor_1_0_160GB_SuperDrive_p/g518dp1.htm

I have read that some 1.8s have 8 slots for ram and can take up to 8GB but some have 4 slots and only take up to 4GB RAM. Is there any way to determine between the two?

The 2nd revision of the Dual 1.8 (a June 2004 product refresh) was changed to 4 ram slots...I think as a trade off for making a Dual 1.8 that wouldn't cannibalize the Dual 2.0. It will be hard to tell unless you can get the product numbers and check them across the interweb.

Its sad that there are so many nay-sayers here about the PowerMac G5. When it came out...it was the biggest nerd-gasm this site had ever had (REFERENCE (http://www.macrumors.com/2003/06/23/powermac-g5-worlds-fastest-desktop-computer/)). I used the single proc 1.8 G5 PM for three years and it never let me down. I switched to a MacBook (for school uses) and have had to put up with a notable power decrease...but then again I never used Leopard on my G5. Tiger on the g5 rocked, though.

Also, it is interesting to note that prior to 10.5, Apple had been in the habit of releasing OS updates that actually produced speed increases on the same hardware (completely unheard of in Windows). I can vouch for these speed increases as measured from OS 10.0.5-10.4 on my eMac. I don't know if 10.5 was actually a speed increase (refinement) so much as it was a house cleaning architecture change for the Intel family. Good luck with your purchase and I hope your PM serves you well.

cherry su
Dec 6, 2008, 05:07 PM
What will you be using the G5 for?

Yaris
Dec 6, 2008, 10:23 PM
I basically want it to replace my mac mini which I use for iTunes and general home/media server stuff. I want to be able to put 2 SATA hard drives in it also. I don't need it to be as fast as my main computer but I know this is quite a bit faster than the G4 mini.

OrangeSVTguy
Dec 6, 2008, 10:34 PM
I basically want it to replace my mac mini which I use for iTunes and general home/media server stuff. I want to be able to put 2 SATA hard drives in it also. I don't need it to be as fast as my main computer but I know this is quite a bit faster than the G4 mini.

Yeah you will be able to get at max (currently) 3TB in that G5 with 2x 1.5TB drives. The G5 will be good enough for you. My G5 runs great and I plan on keeping it for a long time. I'd like to buy a MBP eventually or even a last revision PB G4. Who needs 8 cores to check their email anyways? For casual use, a G4 is more then efficient for most people. If you don't plan on playing Crysis or any other current game(isn't that what the Xbox 360 and PS3 for anyways?) or be editing 500mb PS files with 50+ layers or editing HD video, I don't really see the need for such a computer when a G5 (or G4) would suit you just fine. So what if Snow Leopard isn't going to be compatible with PPC anymore. How many people do you know that are still using Tiger? Even on Intel machines.

vailance
Dec 6, 2008, 11:41 PM
i have a dual 1.8ghz G5 RAID0 2x 500gb HDD, what i can say compare it to my new Macbook 13" late 2008, G5 is noticeable slower then MB. While heavy browsing on G5 with safari having acceptable lag(while scrolling the pages) worst when scrolling a pages full of Flash. Watching HD quality videos on youtube total jammed your safari(firefox worst). Im not sure is my G5 or wad but i just did a fresh install of leopard. After changed the stock FX5200 to 6800GT, it feels smoother but not a lot. The U3 heatsink(mem controller chip on the logic board) temperature rise up 5 Celsius, idle at 55c on air condition room. While playing world of warcraft i felt that the graphic performance is bottleneck by the CPU. Maybe i should get a 2.3 or 2.5ghz G5. About playing HD movies on G5, Any movies above 720p playing on QT is pretty jagged. After a while it went ok. On the macbook side CPU just ultilized around 30-50%, G5 uses 70-90%.

On macbook side ofcourse everything smooth. Just a temperature a bit high. Playing wow or doing intensive work e.g. Photoshop/aperture smooth. But i need a larger external drives to store my files.

rbnjr
Dec 7, 2008, 12:25 PM
does this forum have a classifieds section?:)

I can put up for sale a g5 w dual 2.0ghz dual raptor 300gig raid and a ATI Radeon X800 XT for video. oh and 4 gigs of ram.. all for about 1k.

think about that.:apple:

zmttoxics
Dec 7, 2008, 12:32 PM
does this forum have a classifieds section?:)

I can put up for sale a g5 w dual 2.0ghz dual raptor 300gig raid and a ATI Radeon X800 XT for video. oh and 4 gigs of ram.. all for about 1k.

think about that.:apple:

Your pretty crazy. Just because you put nice harddrives in it, doesn't mean the value sky rockets. I paid 700 for my DC 2.0 G5 PCIE, and it is a newer /better model then yours.

OrangeSVTguy
Dec 7, 2008, 12:41 PM
does this forum have a classifieds section?:)

I can put up for sale a g5 w dual 2.0ghz dual raptor 300gig raid and a ATI Radeon X800 XT for video. oh and 4 gigs of ram.. all for about 1k.

think about that.:apple:
Yes it does but you don't meet the minimum requirements to post or view it. I wouldn't try selling in this forum as a mod will delete your post. Also $1k is actually more then your machine is worth, even factoring in the upgrades.

Fiveos22
Dec 8, 2008, 07:31 PM
Yes it does but you don't meet the minimum requirements to post or view it. I wouldn't try selling in this forum as a mod will delete your post. Also $1k is actually more then your machine is worth, even factoring in the upgrades.

Well then just how much is a dual 2.0 G5 worth? I would have thought $1K a reasonable price for such a machine (I mean, hell, stripe raid raptors would be the fastest boot disc I can imagine, and a X800 is no slouch). But, as you can probably see from my postings over the past few years, I am not as intuned with hardware as I was in college.