PS3 Graphics

[simontarr]

I'm not wanting to start a flame war here, but I'm just wondering if anyone agrees with me that the PS3 graphics seem to be....missing something.

My flatmate has just got Resistance 2 and I've been watching him play it- it all seems blurry, lacking in contrast and generally boring. I'm pretty sure it's not the TV as my 360 looks amazing on the same settings.

Anyway, back to Resistance. He's playing through the first (or second) level in the jungle, and there is a firefight going on around some trucks and cars- everything just looks really bland. The textures look naff, the shadows look naff, it just looks...naff. The red truck for example- no kind of reflections off the paint work, the windscreen looks like something from a 1990's game. Has anyone else noticed this?

If you think about how much better looking games like Halo and Gears 2 is, I can't really find any excuses for the developers!

It seems to be the way with most PS3 games as well- they just seem to be missing something. I head straight to the 360 for any multiplat games.

Like I said, please don't take this as a flame war- a discussion about graphics is all I was after :)

[Pressure]

So, you base this on one game?

Not saying the PS3 is the epitome of graphic.

[Victor ch]

Resistance (the first one at least) is one of the games that has crappy graphics in PS3, so yeah. If a developer really exploits the console's capability, games like Metal Gear Solid 4 appear, its just phenomenal, and it was so well-made, the 360 is unable to play it, hence the PS3 exclusivity. IMHO, the PS3 is the best console of them 3, owning the wii and having used the 360, they're pretty much cr*p next to the PS3. Just my 2 cents.

Victor

[zap2]

Ehh, I've heard mixed things on Resistance 2 , I've heard it looks great it some places, then not so hot in others.


Looking at MotorStorm(1 and 2), COD4/5 its clear to me the PS3 is a powerful system. Not as powerful at Sony lead some to believe, but its still looks great. Killzone 2 is said to be great graphicly(from beta players)

[simontarr]

So, you base this on one game?

Not saying the PS3 is the epitome of graphic.

Not just one game, no. I should have made that clearer in my post.

I'm lucky to be able to use both systems, and any Multi-platform game I've played looks better on the 360. PES09 is another example, along with COD4 & 5. Does anyone know what is causing the discrepancy at the technical level?

I do like some of the lighting effects in Resistance 2 though.

[Cromulent]

and it was so well-made, the 360 is unable to play it, hence the PS3 exclusivity

That's rubbish. The fact that it is an exclusive has nothing to do with whether the Xbox can or can not cope with the graphical demands of the game.

Plus I've read numerous reports from console game developers saying the 360 is the better console.

[sikkinixx]

That's rubbish. The fact that it is an exclusive has nothing to do with whether the Xbox can or can not cope with the graphical demands of the game.

Plus I've read numerous reports from console game developers saying the 360 is the better console.

from...? It's fairly well known that the 360 is easier for (many) devs to program for, but I haven't heard any say that it's 'better' than the PS3, aside from Gabe Newell but he hates everything that isn't a PC. Quality wise it certainly isn't :p

But anyways, with the OP I find it hard to believe you put Gears 2 and Halo in the same breath as Halo is miles below Gears in terms of graphics. And basing things off of Resistance 2 (the first one was throughly average looking) is a little silly. Fire up Uncharted.

[simontarr]

from...? It's fairly well known that the 360 is easier for (many) devs to program for, but I haven't heard any say that it's 'better' than the PS3, aside from Gabe Newell but he hates everything that isn't a PC. Quality wise it certainly isn't :p

But anyways, with the OP I find it hard to believe you put Gears 2 and Halo in the same breath as Halo is miles below Gears in terms of graphics. And basing things off of Resistance 2 (the first one was throughly average looking) is a little silly. Fire up Uncharted.

I see what you're saying, but my point was that I think Halo looks better than Resistance 2- although it has a very particular style, it still looks great.

I agree Uncharted looks good though- really lush environments.

[Chaszmyr]

I see what you're saying, but my point was that I think Halo looks better than Resistance 2- although it has a very particular style, it still looks great.

I agree Uncharted looks good though- really lush environments.

First, for the most part I think Resistance 2 looks as good as Halo 3. Second, by citing a single PS3 game that you think looks good, you've completely undermined your point of PS3 graphics not being up to snuff. There couldn't even be one game that looks good if the console isn't capable of it.

[Victor ch]

That's rubbish. The fact that it is an exclusive has nothing to do with whether the Xbox can or can not cope with the graphical demands of the game.

Plus I've read numerous reports from console game developers saying the 360 is the better console.

OR to the fact that even Hideo Kojima had trouble fitting the game in the 50GB BluRay offers. He did state he was unable to make the game for 360 (he did published previous ones for the 3 consoles) due to limitations (Im assuming more than just the space one). I can't recall where i saw this, but im just based on that.

Also, how can the 360 be a better (more powerful) console? Enlighten me on which fields please.

Victor

[Chone]

OR to the fact that even Hideo Kojima had trouble fitting the game in the 50GB BluRay offers. He did state he was unable to make the game for 360 (he did published previous ones for the 3 consoles) due to limitations (Im assuming more than just the space one). I can't recall where i saw this, but im just based on that.

Also, how can the 360 be a better (more powerful) console? Enlighten me on which fields please.

Victor

The 360 has a unified shader GPU while the PS3 does not which does make things easier for developers, not to mention the 360 uses a very familiar PowerPC CPU architecture while I've read about many developers saying the Cell is hell to program for.

However developers who do take their time to learn the system like Polyphony Digital, Naughty Dog, Insomniac and Kojima Studios really pump out incredible looking games so I'd say both consoles are right about the same.

I have a PS3 and the only game that looks crappy is GTA IV but that's because it's a 640p game with no AA (running on a 32" 1080p TV, you do the math) and it's blurry all over the place and Rockstar has never delivered on the technical side (except maybe with SA).

Remember, it's hard to utilize hardware to it's full efficiency every time, so the PS3's weakness is not necesarily weak hardware, it's most likely lazy developers and/or hellish programming difficulty.

Also, if you care so much about graphics then go buy a PC, after that both the 360 and the PS3 will look "naff" but I guess we all buy consoles for games not eyecandy, right? :rolleyes:

[TJunkers]

I played Resistance 2 and completed it. I thought the graphics where amazing. No blurs, no bad contrast... The only thing I noticed is sometimes it would load badly and THEN the game looked weird. Don't know why it would load badly, but i'd quit the game, restart it, and BOOM everything looks great!

[2nyRiggz]

I'm not even going through this argument again when we all know the PS3/X360 puts out identical graphics in majority of games.

Op I think you need to check your settings and make sure you're getting the best out of your PS3.

R2 graphics is very strange indeed...one stage is average looking then there's the San Francisco & Chicago stages that are brilliant but seeing as this game is on a scale level I can forgive it.

I've been playing Gears 2 for some time now and for the life of me I can't see anything groundbreaking graphically(All I see is muddy textures in certain areas)...I still think Uncharted looks better.

Check your settings op because most 360 and PS3 games look Identical.


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[Dagless]

From my own experience and seeing a few comparisons online - the PS3 graphics seem more desaturated. Which isn't a bad thing though, I find myself flicking between the contrast and colour modes on my TV to make some 360 and Wii games less colourful, and vice versa on the more gray games.

Isn't the 360's GPU slightly better than the PS3's (offset by the PS3's better CPU) anyways?


Check your settings op because most 360 and PS3 games look Identical.

I wouldn't say identical. There are variations in each, like whilst playing GTA I noticed the 360s display was sharper, whereas the PS3 version (though I didn't get to play it for long) had better colours. Both systems are wildly different, it's not as if they have the same hardware and just slapped different cases over them like PC manufacturers.

[zap2]

Isn't the 360's GPU slightly better than the PS3's (offset by the PS3's better CPU) anyways?

Thats my understanding of the issue

They both have enough power to put out great game. Geometry Wars 2 looks stunning, so much fun. Super Mario Galaxy is a top notch looking game on Wii Little Big Planet has a great art style too.


Its not just how much power, its what the devs do with it

[Rivix]

From my experience, I think Uncharted is the best looking game. Give it a shot.

[Dagless]

Its not just how much power, its what the devs do with it

Exactly. It's all about art direction and what is done with the hardware, which is also why you'll never find a multiconsole game that looks bloomin mindblowing. Each system is capable of different things, even aside from graphics.

[stainlessliquid]

Gears looks so good because of the art for the environments, not because of the "graphics". The same thing happened with Resident Evil:Remake and RE4, the graphics were not that special but the texture work was extremely well done and hid the flaws from the engine.

Mass Effect, MGS4 (1080p), and GTA4 are probably the most graphically demanding games so far, and with the exception of Mass Effect both MGS4 and GTA4 run fine on PS3 (the majority seems to think GTA4 looks best on a PS3 because of less pop-up and better lighting effects, with the 360's higher res not helping visuals much).

[2nyRiggz]

I wouldn't say identical. There are variations in each, Both systems are wildly different, it's not as if they have the same hardware and just slapped different cases over them like PC manufacturers.

Well of course not but what I was trying to get across on a multiplatform level is the output is basically the same graphically. The art style is a big contributor as everyone already said...check out ICO and SoTC, both gorgeous looking games due to the art style.

Also check out Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts for a beautiful art style.


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[dukebound85]

That's rubbish. The fact that it is an exclusive has nothing to do with whether the Xbox can or can not cope with the graphical demands of the game.

Plus I've read numerous reports from console game developers saying the 360 is the better console.

by better, i hope you dont mean reliability lol

i say that as ive havd 6 360's rod on me before i gave up and got a ps3

[spyker3292]

So playing PS3 exclusives and 360 exclusives (on the same TV), I think PS3 ones look nicer but it's really hard to compare different games :P .

@Cromulent: I believe it's because the 360 is easier to develop for. The PS3 took a while for devs to get used to.

[evan g]

I think of all the games you picked up for the PS3, I wouldn't judge it's graphics off of that one. I would pick up Uncharted, or LBP. OR if you wait a month or two here, KILLZONE 2!

[dukebound85]

why are there such raves on uncharted? i dont think the game has great graphics at all and the controls are horrible imo

of course, im just basing my opinion on the demo

[MacRumorUser]

I'm sending out an S.O.S!!!!


(Same Old *****)


So here's the deal and we all know it.....

Some Ps3 games look pretty. Some don't.
Some 360 games look pretty. Some don't.
Most Ps3 / 360 games look identical - however 360 'generally' (not always) fairs better in multi-platform titles.

Is this going to change nearly 3 years on ? Highly unlikely at this stage. saying Developers are still coming to terms with PS3 hardware at this stage is a moribund statement and should be resigned to the waste paper bin.

[dukebound85]

I'm sending out an S.O.S!!!!


(Same Old *****)


So here's the deal and we all know it.....

Some Ps3 games look pretty. Some don't.
Some 360 games look pretty. Some don't.
Most Ps3 / 360 games look identical - however 360 'generally' (not always) fairs better in multi-platform titles.

Is this going to change nearly 3 years on ? Highly unlikely at this stage. saying Developers are still coming to terms with PS3 hardware at this stage is a moribund statement and should be resigned to the waste paper bin.

ps3 has only been out for 2 years but you knew that

[MacRumorUser]

ps3 has only been out for 2 years but you knew that

But developers had development kits some time before it's commercial release, but you knew that ;):p

[QUiKSR20]

My whole take on thing is.. You mainly buy a video game system for games..

This round the 360 has better games, and by faaaaaaaaaaaaaar the best Online service period reguardless of the mere $49.99 it cost for the year which is pennies a day.

Red ring sucks and thats for sure but the games it plays are awesome.

PS3 is def good but not my system of choice as the multi-player and even exclusive games is kinda lacking to the 360 and prior PS2

Both are good systems in there own way but for playing games online 360 hands down.

[bruinsrme]

all 3 platforms ae excellent.
I like 360 for games/download content/network to home interface.
I like PS3 for the blu-ray and Hi def audio
I like the wii because it is a very social platform and excellent for parties.

They all have their strengths and to say one is better that the other is very difficult.

[NoSmokingBandit]

But developers had development kits some time before it's commercial release, but you knew that ;):p

The 360 had dev kits out much earlier than the ps3 (referring to their release dates, that is).
Compare a game 1 year into the ps3 (ratchet and clank, drakes fortune) with games 1 year into the 360's life (idk what games came out when seeing as i dont follow the 360). I can guarantee you that the ps3 games will generally be more impressive.

Sure, some cross platform games look a bit worse on the ps3, but dev's have had much longer to get used to the 360, which is much easier to grasp than the ps3 anyway.

[QUiKSR20]

The 360 had dev kits out much earlier than the ps3 (referring to their release dates, that is).
Compare a game 1 year into the ps3 (ratchet and clank, drakes fortune) with games 1 year into the 360's life (idk what games came out when seeing as i dont follow the 360). I can guarantee you that the ps3 games will generally be more impressive.

Sure, some cross platform games look a bit worse on the ps3, but dev's have had much longer to get used to the 360, which is much easier to grasp than the ps3 anyway.

Another thing I hear is to port a game from 360 to Games for Windows is pretty easy, And Windows has a version of live as well which is free.

The graphics are basically the same too on PS3 and X360 some run higher resolution such as GTA on the Xbox and some run higher im sure on a PS3 but all in all both systems are fun for the hardcore gamer and Wii yet graphics way below the two is a great social system.

[angelneo]

Out of all the PS3, 360 games I played, I would still say MGS4 had one of the best looking graphics around presently but Uncharted has the most fluid animation I have seen. That being say, it's only my preference.

Personally, I dislike ports, usually game ports are of worse quality than the original platform that they are build for.

[MacRumorUser]

Sure, some cross platform games look a bit worse on the ps3, but dev's have had much longer to get used to the 360, which is much easier to grasp than the ps3 anyway.

Actually again that's not entirely true. There are a myriad reasons why multi-platform games generally work better on the 360 and it is down to the GPU hardware, which at the end of the day is the one thing that's most important in delivering 'GRAPHICAL' experience to users.

The extra memory available to the GPU as well as the inbuilt Scaler chip with AA on the fly invariably lead to a better looking game.

Peeps can whine all they want about the PS3 being hard to program for and such, but the fact remains that it's GPU is less powerful and has access to less memory and the proof is in the pudding in regards to to AA issues on a hell of a lot of the PS3's games.

Whilst all this is supposedly balanced out by the PS3's better CELL processor, we have yet to really see this bore out in games generally, other than noteable examples such as MGS4. However in cross platform, again the PS3 struggles a heck of a lot more than the 360 in keeping the frame rate as stable in the majority of it's multi format titles.

You can blame developers, you can blame publishers, you can blame Sony, but you can't blame Microsoft. It doesn't change the fact that indeed most games which are multi-platform play out better on the 360, however there are indeed exceptions but we are generalising here.

No body here is saying the PS3 is rubbish in the graphical department, in fact I play my PS3's far more than my 360. However if we are to look at the sate of play as it currently stands and to be honest, from where it looks like it will always stand at this point, then it is 'graphically' inferior to the 360 in most current cross-platform titles.

Again I re-iterate for the fanboy's who can't rationally and objectively look at the situation without feeling that the size of their 'manhood' is put into question. This does not mean that the PS3 is a graphical slouch and does not negate the fact there are some beautiful ps3 games like MGS4, LBP, Uncharted & Ratchet for example.

The question is we should really be answering is does it really matter in the great scheme of things ? NO! That's why for the most part I acknowledge the slight graphical nod to the 360, but will generally buy most of my cross platform on the PS3 regardless.

There are exceptions where graphical difference has been more than enough to make me exchange the PS3 version for the 360. Most recently Fallout 3, which plays and looks far far superior on the 360 platform than its PS3 counterpart.... Is that something to get upset about or worked up about.. not really. And for most console owners it's a non event as mostly they only own one or the other of the consoles (360/PS3). The people who really have to decide whether graphics matter above other things are those with both consoles, looking for the better version - or alternatively those with no console, who should be looking at the 'exclusives' to make a decision and not the cross platform titles....

Sermon over....

[Stepper]

Wow this thread is neeky

[angelneo]

Actually again that's not entirely true. There are a myriad reasons why multi-platform games generally work better on the 360 and it is down to the GPU hardware, which at the end of the day is the one thing that's most important in delivering 'GRAPHICAL' experience to users.

The extra memory available to the GPU as well as the inbuilt Scaler chip with AA on the fly invariably lead to a better looking game.

You can whine all you want about the PS3 being hard to program for and such, but the fact remains that it's GPU is less powerful and the proof is in the pudding in regards to AA issues on a hell of a lot of the PS3's games.

Whilst all this is supposedly balanced out by the PS3's better CELL processor, we have yet to really see this bore out in games generally. Again the PS3 struggles a hell of a lot more than the 360 in keeping the frame rate as stable in the majority of it's multi format titles.

You can blame developers, you can blame publishers... But it doesn't change the fact that indeed most games which are multi-platform play out better on the 360, however there are indeed exceptions.
I think it's safe to say cross platform games are usually design for the common denominator to save time and money. It seems that 360 is a more powerful general purpose machine, whereas PS3 requires specialized optimization. It's the same during the PS2/xbox period when even though xbox had much more superior hardware, developers already knew ps2 inside out. But this time round PS3 do not have the luxury of getting developers familiar.

[evan g]

My whole take on thing is.. You mainly buy a video game system for games..

This round the 360 has better games, and by faaaaaaaaaaaaaar the best Online service period reguardless of the mere $49.99 it cost for the year which is pennies a day.

Red ring sucks and thats for sure but the games it plays are awesome.

PS3 is def good but not my system of choice as the multi-player and even exclusive games is kinda lacking to the 360 and prior PS2

Both are good systems in there own way but for playing games online 360 hands down.

You know this whole difference between XBL and PSN is really starting to fade. I have both, and I can still get a good COD4 connection on both systems, and they're practically identical. Scratch that, I can't tell the difference. I don't know what people are gabbin' about. :p

[e²Studios]

Eh, its all preference. The drama here is amazing, people need to stop being such fanboys and just play the games they like. Enjoy your game whatever system its on. ALL 3 systems have their faults, live with it.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/jinco1/Fanboy.png

Sorry Jimmi, I know I said I wouldn't share that photo of you.... :p;):o MRU forced me to post it!!!

[JackAxe]

AWESOME!!! :D I wonder how old that guy is now? At least in his mid thirties I'd guess.

[2nyRiggz]

Ha Ha Ha....power glove...classic!


...I had that controller the fanboy is wearing around his neck also I had the square joystick one....aww memories:)


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[MacRumorUser]

...I had that controller the fanboy is wearing around his neck also I had the square joystick one....aww memories:)


Just admit it 2ny, it really is you in that picture isn't it. :p

[Much Ado]

Your TV set will also make a difference.

[2nyRiggz]

Just admit it 2ny, it really is you in that picture isn't it. :p

Shhh! Ed might post more pictures and ruin my clean "in the middle" rep....
Here's my most recent photo:)



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[MacRumorUser]

LOL... but out of interest ... i wonder if that is the same guy in both pictures ? :confused: surely there can't be two nuts like that.

[dukebound85]

LOL... but out of interest ... i wonder if that is the same guy in both pictures ? :confused: surely there can't be two nuts like that.

you would be surprised lol

[Dagless]

God damn childhood, all I could ever find was regular NES and Zapper controllers :mad: guess that's England for ya.