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bradl
Dec 2, 2008, 02:23 PM
LINK (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/12/feds-eff-arguin.html)

Props to the EFF for having the testicular fortitude to fight the big fight. -Ed.


SAN FRANCISCO — The Bush administration on Tuesday will try to convince a federal judge to let stand a law granting retroactive legal immunity to the nation's telecoms, which are accused of transmitting Americans' private communications to the National Security Agency without warrants.

At issue in the high-stakes showdown — set to begin at 10:00 a.m. PST — are the nearly four dozen lawsuits filed by civil liberties groups and class action attorneys against AT&T, Verizon, MCI, Sprint and other carriers who allegedly cooperated with the Bush administration's domestic surveillance program in the years following the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The lawsuits claim the cooperation violated federal wiretapping laws and the Constitution.

In July, as part of a wider domestic spying bill, Congress voted to kill the lawsuits and grant retroactive amnesty to any phone companies that helped with the surveillance; President-elect Barack Obama was among those who voted for the law in the Senate. On Tuesday, lawyers with the Electronic Frontier Foundation are set to urge the federal judge overseeing those lawsuits to reject immunity as unconstitutional. At stake, they say, is the very principle of the rule of law in America.

"I think it does set a very frightening precedent that it's okay for people to break the law because they can just have Congress bail them out later," says EFF legal director Cindy Cohn. "It's very troubling."


More of the article at the link above. BTW: This is happening TODAY.

Discuss.

BL.



leekohler
Dec 2, 2008, 02:26 PM
This needs to stop- and Obama should now step up and condemn it, since he's already been elected.

bradl
Dec 2, 2008, 02:49 PM
This needs to stop- and Obama should now step up and condemn it, since he's already been elected.

Only problem is, it will make him out to be a hypocrite, and lose credibility before he gets into office. When he gets in, one of the first things he should do is ask for revisions to FISA to strip out telco immunity. That way, he'll have the power to do so in the position. Plus we know that they blockbusted into signing this; the military wouldn't have been funded without the bill being passed, thanks to Bush (IIRC, he had them slip the funding for the troops into this bill, then played the 'not supporting the troops' card). With Bush out, now we can have accountability.

I wonder if there is such a thing as 'retroactive accountability'..

BL.

leekohler
Dec 2, 2008, 03:40 PM
Only problem is, it will make him out to be a hypocrite, and lose credibility before he gets into office. When he gets in, one of the first things he should do is ask for revisions to FISA to strip out telco immunity. That way, he'll have the power to do so in the position. Plus we know that they blockbusted into signing this; the military wouldn't have been funded without the bill being passed, thanks to Bush (IIRC, he had them slip the funding for the troops into this bill, then played the 'not supporting the troops' card). With Bush out, now we can have accountability.

I wonder if there is such a thing as 'retroactive accountability'..

BL.

Yeah- let's hope there is for all our sakes.