The fringe movement to keep Barack Obama from becoming president

[leekohler]

Let's do this again. .Andy said the following and I asked him to prove it and he has not been able to: "You not only asked the question you pursued it for quite some time. You thought that the president elect might have made it all the way through university, becoming a lawyer, running for congress etc and not have been a US citizen." >>>> FAIL.

It seems like you and .Andy are the ones who is refusing to admit error.

There's your key word. He said you questioned it. He never said you believed that Obama wasn't a citizen of the US. There is nothing in that sentence that indicates that he thought you definitely believed Obama was born in Kenya. He proved his statement with your own quotes. I don't know how much more clear it could be.

[.Andy]

There's your key word. He said you questioned it. He never said you believed that Obama wasn't a citizen of the US. There is nothing in that sentence that indicates that he thought you definitely believed Obama was born in Kenya. He proved his statement with your own quotes. I don't know how much more clear it could be.
Thanks Lee and Cave Man. That strawman argument was getting nauseous and you've both explained it better than my 1000 word essay posts obviously were.

[mgguy]

There's your key word. He said you questioned it. He never said you believed that Obama wasn't a citizen of the US. There is nothing in that sentence that indicates that he thought you definitely believed Obama was born in Kenya. He proved his statement with your own quotes. I don't know how much more clear it could be.
I never said Obama might not be a US citizen. I said, correctly, that a presidential candidate's citizenship status is a legitimate issue and the public has a right to see evidence that all candidates meet the requirements to be president. I would say this even if I had irrefutable knowledge that he was a citizen. Those who reject the evidence offered by a candidate and want to pursue the matter further have a legal and, I believe, personal right to do so, as I have stated before. Certainly they have a free-speech right to express their view on the matter. When people get tired of their demands for more proof, the public will soon begin to score and ridicule them as they have a right to do, which is what has happened. Many apparent left-wing democrats have tried to link conservatives generally to this fringe group in hopes of gaining political advantage or just to troll. .Andy tried this with me and failed.

[Macky-Mac]

I never said Obama might not be a US citizen. I said, correctly, that a presidential candidate's citizenship status is a legitimate issue and the public has a right to see evidence that all candidates meet the requirements to be president. I would say this even if I had irrefutable knowledge that he was a citizen. Those who reject the evidence offered by a candidate and want to pursue the matter further have a legal and, I believe, personal right to do so, as I have stated before. Certainly they have a free-speech right to express their view on the matter. When people get tired of their demanding and complaining, the public will soon score and ridicule them as they have a right to do, which is what has happened. Some posters here have tried to link conservatives generally to this fringe group in hopes of gaining political advantage or just to troll. .Andy tried this with me and failed.

or succeeded :p

unfortunately you share the problems that republicans have on this issue....they want to pander to the birthers in order to get their support....but alas, this can't be done privately, out of view of the public.

And when republican pandering on this issue has been revealed to the public, well, it's proven to be a disaster to those who thought this would be a winning issue for the republicans

[mgguy]

or succeeded :p

unfortunately you share the problems that republicans have on this issue....they want to pander to the birthers in order to get their support....

Where did you get the notion that I want to pander to the birthers to get their support? I don't give a rat's ass what they think. You can't just through out this kind of accusation without evidence. Don't try to pull a .Andy on me.

[Macky-Mac]

Where did you get the notion that I want to pander to the birthers to get their support? I don't give a rat's ass what they think. You can't just through out this kind of accusation without evidence. Don't try to pull a .Andy on me.

i don't need to....nobody believes you......or haven't you noticed?

[Blue Velvet]

Time for some levity.

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

;)

[.Andy]

Time for some levity.

http://kenyanbirthcertificategenerator.com/

;)
This is wonderfully well done :D!

[leekohler]

I never said Obama might not be a US citizen. I said, correctly, that a presidential candidate's citizenship status is a legitimate issue and the public has a right to see evidence that all candidates meet the requirements to be president. I would say this even if I had irrefutable knowledge that he was a citizen. Those who reject the evidence offered by a candidate and want to pursue the matter further have a legal and, I believe, personal right to do so, as I have stated before. Certainly they have a free-speech right to express their view on the matter. When people get tired of their demands for more proof, the public will soon begin to score and ridicule them as they have a right to do, which is what has happened. Many apparent left-wing democrats have tried to link conservatives generally to this fringe group in hopes of gaining political advantage or just to troll. .Andy tried this with me and failed.

Dude- I read your quotes. I'm sorry, you lose.

[opinioncircle]

If there's anything ambiguous there I'll be happy to explain it although I thought I'd gone to a bit of trouble to cross reference all my points with posts by mgguy.

If your post is just a low content dismissal then I guess you cleverly got me with your wit.

My post was not a low dismissal. I think that my opinion has been shown by the other posters here, however, I don't really get your point that's all.

I mean, what's the point in looking for such a ridiculous detail (pardon my french, but isn't the guy qualified enough, people need to get to his private life to find shadows?!!!). I don't think this shows a very healthy image of the US to the world that's all.

But since you seem so inclined to take this the wrong way, well there is not much I can do about it...

[.Andy]

My post was not a low dismissal. I think that my opinion has been shown by the other posters here, however, I don't really get your point that's all.

I mean, what's the point in looking for such a ridiculous detail (pardon my french, but isn't the guy qualified enough, people need to get to his private life to find shadows?!!!). I don't think this shows a very healthy image of the US to the world that's all.
I have no idea what you're talking about :confused:? You aren't under the misconception that I'm asking for the birth certificate are you? Because it's quite the opposite.....

[Zombie Acorn]

Even if it were true it would be devastating to the country to lose a president after he was already sworn in. The time to bring this crap up was in the election and its long over.

[diamond.g]

Even if it were true it would be devastating to the country to lose a president after he was already sworn in. The time to bring this crap up was in the election and its long over.

If Obama was removed wouldn't Biden become the President? I wonder how many people would actually rather him be President over Obama...

[yg17]

If Obama was removed wouldn't Biden become the President? I wonder how many people would actually rather him be President over Obama...

Yes, Biden would become president, and I guarantee you Obama would still be president through Biden, they would still work very closely because you don't have to be a citizen to be a top adviser to the Pres.

The birthers seem to think that if it was found that Obama was born in Kenya, McCain and Palin would automatically take over. That is definitely not the case.

[mgguy]

i don't need to....nobody believes you......or haven't you noticed?

So, since others here may not believe me, you think it is alright for you to just make something up and not have to provide any evidence when I call you on it? That's not how its supposed to work in this forum, and it certainly doesn't contribute to rational discourse.

[Macky-Mac]

So, since others here may not believe me, you think it is alright for you to just make something up and not have to provide any evidence when I call you on it? That's not how its supposed to work in this forum, and it certainly doesn't contribute to rational discourse.

LOL, well I guess I did zing you pretty hard.

Unfortunately for you, the impression you've given me is the result of your posts. If you want "evidence" of what lead me to my opinion, you only need look to your own words.

For example, when .Andy quoted your post starting the thread in which you claimed obama hadn't made available a whole list of items, you responded by falsely claiming "This thread was closed before I had a chance to add anything beyond my introductory post.".......a flat out false statement on your part no matter how much spin you want to put on it.

And speaking of false claims, take a look at the list you posted in that thread. The most notorious claim, that obama hadn't made his birth certificate available, had been known to be false months before you made your claim. What? Are you really so poorly informed that you weren't aware your claim was false? :rolleyes: I don't really think so.

[OutThere]

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[opinioncircle]

Even if it were true it would be devastating to the country to lose a president after he was already sworn in. The time to bring this crap up was in the election and its long over.

I believe it was brought up, but didn't matter much at the time. Now, even though you're right about being sworn in and all, I think it is the perfect moment: the honeymoon seems over, and things are not getting better as fast as anyone thought it would be...

[diamond.g]

I believe it was brought up, but didn't matter much at the time. Now, even though you're right about being sworn in and all, I think it is the perfect moment: the honeymoon seems over, and things are not getting better as fast as anyone thought it would be...

Right, so we get rid of Obama and put Biden in place. That sounds so much better :confused:. It isn't like we would get another election immediately.

[Cleverboy]

The most notorious claim, that obama hadn't made his birth certificate available, had been known to be false months before you made your claim. What? Are you really so poorly informed that you weren't aware your claim was false? There is a semantic problem at work with your statement. A "certificate of live birth" and a "birth certificate" can be seen as two completely different things. Obama's actual "birth certificate" was destroyed when Hawaii went paperless in 2001. Many people have perpetuated out of date information, simply because they're too lazy to rewrite it, so... at the very beginning, Obama DID decline to provide a public viewing of his birth certificate. Then he provided a copy of his COLB with certain identification numbers redacted. Then his campaign provided a version that was NOT redacted, after it was learned that the numbers do not provide sensitive identity information. Through that period, the various versions were called "fake" and not accepted as a "real" birth certificate.

Rather than say "HIS birth certificate", its more valid to say "A valid birth certificate", which implies that it is neither "THE" birth certificate, nor that it lacks equivalency for legal purpose. None of this matters of course, because we've recent confirmed that Obama was really born in 1934, Austria-Hugary to Alois and Klara Hitler, or at least he might has well have been... :p

~ CB

[Macky-Mac]

.......None of this matters of course, because we've recent confirmed that Obama was really born in 1934, Austria-Hugary to Alois and Klara Hitler, or at least he might has well have been... :p

~ CB

:eek: but....Austria-Hungary didn't exist in 1934 :p

[Cave Man]

:eek: but....Austria-Hungary didn't exist in 1934 :p

Can you prove that? I'd like to see its birth certificate, please.

[Counterfit]

Can you prove that? I'd like to see its birth certificate, please.

In this case, it would be death certificate. ;) :p

[opinioncircle]

Right, so we get rid of Obama and put Biden in place. That sounds so much better :confused:. It isn't like we would get another election immediately.

No I didnt' say that. What I meant is that from a political strategy standpoint, NOW is the time to bring that up. You can bet that they'll bring it back again 2 years and half from now...