How Much Better is the Pro?

[Green10]

So I have got some money to burn, and I think I'm going to get a new apple laptop. What I'm wondering is whether it's worth upgrading to the pro? I like the smaller size of the MB, but I worry that internal components (hard drive, etc.) are of lesser quality. What do you guys think?

[youssefm]

it just comes down to if u need the extra power or not, if you don't then spring for the 2.4ghz macbook, if you do then get the pro

[Piaget]

Like Youssem said, the main determinant for whether a Pro is more appropriate for you is whether you need the extra power, ie. what applications will you be running? If you willing be using any GPU-intensive apps or doing any gaming, the Pro is definitely the way to go. Otherwise, the MBs should be more than enough for normal browsing, word processing and other general use.

Other factors to consider are screen resolution, screen quality, mobility and obviously, cost. I wouldn't say that the internal components on the MB are of lesser quality, but in terms of screen quality, the Pros are definitely superior (although, contrary to other posts, the MB are quite decent color wise). The Pros will have higher resolution, but will be less mobile.

[shady825]

Yea its all what you wanna do. I could have bought the pro but portability is key for me. If the computer is just going to sit on a desk then sure buy the pro but carrying around a 17" laptop isnt to fun!
Its your call really. Figure out what your going to do with the computer and where your going to be doing it. FOR ME the pro was just a bit of an overkill..
You'll be happy with whatever you decide to buy! I promise!

[nomorevista]

$700 better

[silverblack]

$700 better

You beat me to it :)

[Primejimbo]

It's all in what you need like whats the others say. I LOVE the new Macbook and for some reason I don't care for the looks of the pro. I don't need a pro also, but maybe someday I might.

[Digital Skunk]

Now that the MacBooks have the option of the backlit keyboard, I'd say it would depend on three things.

1) will you need firewire 800 at all?
2) will you need the express card 34 slot?
3) will you need to play any games or do any video editing with Final Cut Pro Studio 2, or will you be using the Adobe Creative Suite 4?

If you answer yes to any of those, then you might want to consider the Mac Book Pro or check out how to get around them with the Mac Book

If you don't mind or love the 13.3" screen on the Mac Book and have $2000+ to blow, grab the higher end Mac Book and a backup drive.

[queshy]

"better" is a relative term...depends on the person. Size vs. power

[ayeying]

Agreed. For the size, its pretty powerful. I'm amazed how powerful this system is compared to my old MacBook Pro.

I was able to play CoD4, CoD5, NFS: Undercover, Sins of a Solar Empire, Civ4, and many other games at the same settings as the MBP, just at a 1280x800 vs 1440x900 resolution. My expectations of this laptop was highly misjudged because of specs written on a piece of paper.

[lms]

I bought a macbook a few weeks ago and used it for two weeks. I didn't feel the screen quality was acceptable. I traded up to a pro, and used it for a week before trading back down to the MB. My apple store told me they don't want me coming back. :D

Here's my thought on the difference after using both: not worth the $700 for me.

Yes the screen was better on the MBP. But my problems with the screen were really more about the way fonts are rendered, and since that's an OS thing and not a screen thing, I'm just going to have to get used to it since I love everything else about this machine.

Let me state that I use Windoze boxes all day at work, and have a desktop box in my office at home. The MB is for surfing the web and reading email at night (and synching my iphone). So, my needs are pretty limited, and this is just about perfect for me. I can buy a lot of other stuff for $700.

LMS

[macadmiral]

if you are looking at the new unibodies, they are now so similar it just comes down to a few extra features. The unibody macbook pro is hardly "pro"

[heatmiser]

if you are looking at the new unibodies, they are now so similar it just comes down to a few extra features. The unibody macbook pro is hardly "pro"

+1. The only compelling reason for me to get the MBP over the MB would be for the ability to use a slightly larger screen with a slightly higher res.

[Ryuukumori]

if you are looking at the new unibodies, they are now so similar it just comes down to a few extra features. The unibody macbook pro is hardly "pro"

Not completely true.

Remember, if you are working with heavy graphics (photos or video), or multitasking with music recording, the dual graphics chips will serve you very well.

Larger screen is a plus, and the firewire 800 for those specific hardware additions might be important to you.

I have felt the same whether to go Pro or not for college, and I'm leaning toward Pro, because it's power I can't complain with. It will last me a very long time. Same for you.

[Jisuo]

Not completely true.

Remember, if you are working with heavy graphics (photos or video), or multitasking with music recording, the dual graphics chips will serve you very well.

Larger screen is a plus, and the firewire 800 for those specific hardware additions might be important to you.

I have felt the same whether to go Pro or not for college, and I'm leaning toward Pro, because it's power I can't complain with. It will last me a very long time. Same for you.

Only one graphics chip can be active at a time, so it's not like you're walking around with dual core graphics. You have to manually change which graphics you want to use, log out and log in again.

[Neil1138]

I'm going into college and I asked myself this very question also. I decided to go Pro. The macbook screen is ok but it is nothing compared to the macbook pros screen quality. Also, it helps to have the power of the macbook pro, especially for me cause i am going into engineering school and i need the power to run those intensive applications. Portability wasnt a problem for me, and i think thats the only argument the macbook has.

[shady825]

I'm going into college and I asked myself this very question also. I decided to go Pro. The macbook screen is ok but it is nothing compared to the macbook pros screen quality. Also, it helps to have the power of the macbook pro, especially for me cause i am going into engineering school and i need the power to run those intensive applications. Portability wasnt a problem for me, and i think thats the only argument the macbook has.

The size/portability is what made me buy the MacBook.
Sure a Pro would be nice but I like the size of the MB the best. Perfect size to bring everywhere.

[agurlnamedgoo]

I'm actually also curious about this and here's why...
whe I was heading to college a few years ago, I originally wanted that gorgeous 15" PowerBook. But, being that I was studying English, everyone said get the iBook. I have loved my iBook... am still loving it right now lol. But, while it's great for things like Word and general browsing... videos suck its little life out! Streaming has always been bad... as has watching a movie and trying to do ANYthing else. And GarageBand? Forget it. I can't get songs to sync up because the processor gets behind and doesn't always register me hitting things as I'm hitting them.
I would really like to take advantage of the newer computers' video capabilities... make some movies on my camera, as well as on the computer's camera. But is the macbook still bogged down by this, due to its lack of a separate memory card... or due to anything else? Because if it is, to me, that may make the MBP worth it.

[nope7308]

I'm actually also curious about this and here's why...
whe I was heading to college a few years ago, I originally wanted that gorgeous 15" PowerBook. But, being that I was studying English, everyone said get the iBook. I have loved my iBook... am still loving it right now lol. But, while it's great for things like Word and general browsing... videos suck its little life out! Streaming has always been bad... as has watching a movie and trying to do ANYthing else. And GarageBand? Forget it. I can't get songs to sync up because the processor gets behind and doesn't always register me hitting things as I'm hitting them.
I would really like to take advantage of the newer computers' video capabilities... make some movies on my camera, as well as on the computer's camera. But is the macbook still bogged down by this, due to its lack of a separate memory card... or due to anything else? Because if it is, to me, that may make the MBP worth it.

Unfortunately, I think it's the age of your iBook that's making the difference here. Coming from someone who owned BOTH the new MBP and the new MB, the performance difference is not substantial.

In fact, if you upgrade to the 4GB of RAM on the high-end MB, it's pretty much identical to the entry MBP, save for the slightly improved graphics card and faster HD. Personally, the only (slight) difference in performance that I noticed was with startup/shutdown (2 sec-ish), but I attribute this to a slower rpm HD. I'm going to wait until SSD prices drop and then toss one in.

Moral of the story - The word 'pro' is relative, depending on what you use the computer for. In my case, the high end MB is definitely a pro :D

Oh, and I use the MB for essays, internet, movies, and intense photo editing. It passes all of my tests with flying colours.

[MacJenn]

Unfortunately, I think it's the age of your iBook that's making the difference here. Coming from someone who owned BOTH the new MBP and the new MB, the performance difference is not substantial.

In fact, if you upgrade to the 4GB of RAM on the high-end MB, it's pretty much identical to the entry MBP, save for the slightly improved graphics card and faster HD. Personally, the only (slight) difference in performance that I noticed was with startup/shutdown (2 sec-ish), but I attribute this to a slower rpm HD. I'm going to wait until SSD prices drop and then toss one in.

Moral of the story - The word 'pro' is relative, depending on what you use the computer for. In my case, the high end MB is definitely a pro :D

Oh, and I use the MB for essays, internet, movies, and intense photo editing. It passes all of my tests with flying colours.

If that makes you feel better to say the 2.4 Macbook is like the Pro then so be it. The Macbook Pro has a lot more than just what you mentioned and its graphic card is a whole lot better than the one in the low end Macbook. Wait a year or 2 and the low end Macbook graphic card won't be able to play the new games.

If that is all you do then a $500 Dell from Walmart would of passed with flying colors.

[QueenZ]

The main reason why i would like to buy pro is 15'' screen :)

[nope7308]

If that makes you feel better to say the 2.4 Macbook is like the Pro then so be it. The Macbook Pro has a lot more than just what you mentioned and its graphic card is a whole lot better than the one in the low end Macbook. Wait a year or 2 and the low end Macbook graphic card won't be able to play the new games.

If that is all you do then a $500 Dell from Walmart would of passed with flying colors.

I was referring the Alu MB with the 9400 (not the whitebook) and the low-end MBP.

If you do a direct comparison, they are almost identical in performance features. Same processor, same fronside bus, same L2 cache, same RAM, same stated battery life (MB is better), same backlit keyboard, same trackpad/design, same HD... hell, the only difference is the 9600... and even then, I'm not sold. The only foreseeable difference would be gaming, but even then, there is no guarantee that there will be substantial improvement. After all, the MB can still play COD4 and what not. By the time the 9400 video card is outdated, so too will be the 9600 (it's really not that great compared to other offerings right now anyway).

It sounds like someone doesn't want to face the facts... all your extra money bought you was a better screen, a slightly better video card, and a bigger, heavier frame (with less battery life). If you think that's worth it, then good for you.

And there's no comparison between a $500 Dell and a MB. I bought the computer for various reasons, not just hardware configuration (e.g. OS, build quality, design, resale value, etc.).

[nope7308]

The main reason why i would like to buy pro is 15'' screen :)

IMO, that's the only good reason for buying the MBP (unless you have a ton of money to blow). :D

[MacJenn]

I was referring the Alu MB with the 9400 (not the whitebook) and the low-end MBP.

If you do a direct comparison, they are almost identical in performance features. Same processor, same fronside bus, same L2 cache, same RAM, same stated battery life (MB is better), same backlit keyboard, same trackpad/design, same HD... hell, the only difference is the 9600... and even then, I'm not sold. The only foreseeable difference would be gaming, but even then, there is no guarantee that there will be substantial improvement. After all, the MB can still play COD4 and what not. By the time the 9400 video card is outdated, so too will be the 9600 (it's really not that great compared to other offerings right now anyway).

It sounds like someone doesn't want to face the facts... all your extra money bought you was a better screen, a slightly better video card, and a bigger, heavier frame (with less battery life). If you think that's worth it, then good for you.

And there's no comparison between a $500 Dell and a MB. I bought the computer for various reasons, not just hardware configuration (e.g. OS, build quality, design, resale value, etc.).

Once again you left out many features the new Macbook Pro has compared to the low end (all reg alu Macbook's are low end to me) Macbook. I think it makes you feel special by saying your laptop is just as good as the Pro. Whatever floats your boat.

Face reality? I got my new Macbook Pro for $1749 USD. I paid only $150 more than the 2.4 Crapbook. Reality is a lot of people got ripped off by getting the low end Macbook for $1599 USD when they could of paid $150 more and got the much better one. I know, I know. Most bought it for portability and not because it was cheaper. That is always the excuse.

MacConnection and Macmall is selling the new Macbook Pro for $1749. Really good deal especially when it is only $150 more than the cheap reg. Macbook.

[nope7308]

Once again you left out many features the new Macbook Pro has compared to the low end (all reg alu Macbook's are low end to me) Macbook. I think it makes you feel special by saying your laptop is just as good as the Pro. Whatever floats your boat.

Face reality? I got my new Macbook Pro for $1749 USD. I paid only $150 more than the 2.4 Crapbook. Reality is a lot of people got ripped off by getting the low end Macbook for $1599 USD when they could of paid $150 more and got the much better one. I know, I know. Most bought it for portability and not because it was cheaper. That is always the excuse.

MacConnection and Macmall is selling the new Macbook Pro for $1749. Really good deal especially when it is only $150 more than the cheap reg. Macbook.

What additional *performance* features are there? Please tell me... if we're talking about speed, the 9600 is the only difference. Even then, given most users' habits, the difference will not be substantial (save, perhaps, for gaming and/or heavy video editing).

Anyone who thinks that a MB is a "crapbook" clearly hasn't thought things through carefully enough (the whitebook is still an excellent computer). If I really cared about the 'pro' label, then I would have stayed with the MBP (duh). If anyone has insecurities, it's most definitely you (just look at your sig!).

As for the cost, well, prices are different here in Canada ($400 difference with the edu discount). So, that is a defunct argument and one that clearly does not apply to performance differentials. If you're going to go with a MBP, you might as well splurge for the 2.53Hgz model, IMO. And if you get the MB, you can easily buy an external monitor to offset the lower quality of the screen (and in my case, still save some money).

QED.

[MacJenn]

What additional *performance* features are there? Please tell me... if we're talking about speed, the 9600 is the only difference. Even then, given most users' habits, the difference will not be substantial (save, perhaps, for gaming and/or heavy video editing).

Anyone who thinks that a MB is a "crapbook" clearly hasn't thought things through carefully enough (the whitebook is still an excellent computer). If I really cared about the 'pro' label, then I would have stayed with the MBP (duh). If anyone has insecurities, it's most definitely you (just look at your sig!).

As for the cost, well, prices are different here in Canada ($400 difference with the edu discount). So, that is a defunct argument and one that clearly does not apply to performance differentials. If you're going to go with a MBP, you might as well splurge for the 2.53Hgz model, IMO. And if you get the MB, you can easily buy an external monitor to offset the lower quality of the screen (and in my case, still save some money).

QED.

I had a feeling you would say you had a Pro or could of easily bought one. I was right. How original.

There is a huge performance upgrade between the 2. No point arguing. Enjoy your entry level Macbook and I will enjoy my Pro.

[hogfaninga]

MacJenn I agree. I saw the deal you are talking about from MacMall and MacConnection. I'm going to be getting the new Macbook Pro in January. It is clearly a better choice for just $150 more than the new 2.4 Macbook. It weighs only 1.5 pounds more and a little bigger. So what? It is plenty portable and if you can't lug 1.5 pounds more then something is wrong. I can't believe you can get so much more computer for $150 more. I'm glad I waited.

[nope7308]

I had a feeling you would say you had a Pro or could of easily bought one. I was right. How original.

There is a huge performance upgrade between the 2. No point arguing. Enjoy your entry level Macbook and I will enjoy my Pro.

If you read my original post, I clearly stated that I owned both models (MBP first). I'm not going to post after this, but there is NOT a huge performance difference between the two models. It's simple a matter of fact. If you truly believe otherwise, then go to the Apple website and show me a performance difference other than the 9600 between the top MB and the low MBP...

The screen quality/size, video card, and available ports may all be justifiable selling points, but they do not translate into substantially faster computing performance. If you received a good deal on the MBP, good job, but that still doesn't change the brute facts.

In the end, the best computer is the one that sufficiently meets all your needs for the lowest possible price (this includes more than just computing performance). When you say that MBs are 'crapbooks', and you refer to them all as low-level machines, that really conveys an undeserved sense of entitlement. You would fit well in academia (save for your lack of basic reasoning).

[neiltc13]

it just comes down to if u need the extra power or not, if you don't then spring for the 2.4ghz macbook, if you do then get the pro

Don't bother with the 2.4GHz model. It's as much of a rip off as the Pros are. The 2.0GHz is marginally slower and is $300 cheaper. I know what's more important to me.

[Digital Skunk]

Don't bother with the 2.4GHz model. It's as much of a rip off as the Pros are. The 2.0GHz is marginally slower and is $300 cheaper. I know what's more important to me.

This is true. They aren't even marginally faster than the Penryn MBPs of the previous generation. Not to mention they have worse battery life.

The sad part is that you have to spring for the 2.4 GHz to get the backlit keyboard. Personally, it's worth grabbing the Pro for just that reason.

[CoreyMac]

bicker bicker bicker......

I own a 2007 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB 5400 RPM HD, 8600M, LED Backlit 15"

....and I just received my 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB 5400 RPM, 9400M, LED Backlit 13" MacBook Aluminum.....

Long story short, this thing outperforms my 07 MBP in overall usage (Obviously not gaming), but is definitely snappier in every other sense. Less than a year ago people were bragging about how beastly my MBP was, today, im using something a little bit faster overall, in a more portable package. Crapbook? I think not. Don't force your view on others MacJenn. It didnt fit your bill, doesnt mean it doesnt fit someone elses. Thats the point of having options and different models. To cater to different needs, so for my needs I technically have a new smelling macbook pro, in a thinner, lighter, better built package. Which is a dream for me. ExpressCards / FireWire are not needed for me.

[MacJenn]

bicker bicker bicker......

I own a 2007 MacBook Pro 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 160GB 5400 RPM HD, 8600M, LED Backlit 15"

....and I just received my 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB 5400 RPM, 9400M, LED Backlit 13" MacBook Aluminum.....

Long story short, this thing outperforms my 07 MBP in overall usage (Obviously not gaming), but is definitely snappier in every other sense. Less than a year ago people were bragging about how beastly my MBP was, today, im using something a little bit faster overall, in a more portable package. Crapbook? I think not. Don't force your view on others MacJenn.

Don't tell me how to post. Last time I checked you don't own this board nor do you moderate it.

Nice spin though. I compared the NEW Macbook Pro to the NEW regular, entry level Macbook. For $150 more someone can buy the new Macbook Pro compared to the new entry level 2.4 Macbook. It is a no brainer to me. I would hate myself if I spent $1599 on a reg Macbook when I could of spent $150 more for the much better machine. Always the excuse of reg Macbook owners is: I could of bought the Pro, but......... Then make it sound like the reg Macbook is as good. OK LOL

I wanted people to be aware of the small price difference. If you don't like my opinions feel free to use the ignore button.

[CoreyMac]

Don't tell me how to post. Last time I checked you don't own this board nor do you moderate it.

Nice spin though. I compared the NEW Macbook Pro to the NEW regular, entry level Macbook. For $150 more someone can buy the new Macbook Pro compared to the new entry level 2.4 Macbook. It is a no brainer to me. I would hate myself if I spent $1599 on a reg Macbook when I could of spent $150 more for the much better machine.

I wanted people to be aware of the small price difference. If you don't like my opinions feel free to use the ignore button.

Spin? Its quite logical actually. You're rather rude no offense, stop trying to sound superior when you're not. People spend money how they wish, after all its their money. Nobody is bashing your opinion, but you're bashing theirs. Everyone has preferences like I said, and my preference is to use a more portable powerhouse, than a gawdy one as I take it everywhere. For my personal needs, spending "$150" more for a MBP would be a cruddy investment since size & weight are an important factor (The new MBP is wider and heavier than my 07 MBP which in my opinion is a DOWNGRADE).....

[MacJenn]

Spin? Its quite logical actually. You're rather rude no offense, stop trying to sound superior when you're not. People spend money how they wish, after all its their money. Nobody is bashing your opinion, but you're bashing theirs. Everyone has preferences like I said, and my preference is to use a more portable powerhouse, than a gawdy one as I take it everywhere. For my personal needs, spending "$150" more for a MBP would be a cruddy investment since size & weight are an important factor.....

You are the one to talk about arrogant and rude. You called me out and your post history is one full of attacks also. I have a strong opinion, but I don't tell people how to post like you did. Who made you God?

It is funny you say the new Macbook is better built than the new Macbook Pro when they are built the same (see your above post). No need to lie to make yours look better. Superior? Nope, but the fact is you are wrong.

BTW I don't believe you had a Pro. Everyone who has the new alu macbook says that and says they downgraded from it. BS if you ask me for most people to make themselves feel better.

[CoreyMac]

You are the one to talk about arrogant and rude. You called me out and your post history is one full of attacks also. I have a strong opinion, but I don't tell people how to post like you did. Who made you God?

It is funny you say the new Macbook is better built than the new Macbook Pro when they are built the same (see your above post). No need to lie to make yours look better. Superior? Nope, but the fact is you are wrong.

LOL, my post history is far from full of attacks...if you saw who my conversations were with its clear that the other individual was equally firm on his stance in the topic. I was referring to the 07 MBP in regard to build quality. Sheesh read first.

Secondly, You say "I Dont tell people how to post like you did." Well I have a statement for you as well....Dont tell people how to spend their money and refer to their purchases as "crapbooks." Get over it really....even your sig shows how much you despise the MacBook, you dont need to regurgitate it. According to you the new aluminum macbook is a crapbook, yet you miss your "blackbook" you dont find that even a little bit funny?

[MacJenn]

LOL, my post history is far from full of attacks...if you saw who my conversations were with its clear that the other individual was equally firm on his stance in the topic. I was referring to the 07 MBP in regard to build quality. Sheesh read first.

Secondly, You say "I Dont tell people how to post like you did." Well I have a statement for you as well....Dont tell people how to spend their money and refer to their purchases as "crapbooks." Get over it really....even your sig shows how much you despise the MacBook, you dont need to regurgitate it.

LOL You are telling people what to buy anytime you give an opinion in threads asking questions like : 2.4 or 2.0, Macbook or Macbook Pro, Applesac or MacCase, etc.. Give me a break. You do attack a lot. I have read many of your posts. Unhelpful for the most part, but I'm sure you will say the same of mine.

Once again if you don't like my opinions use the ignore button. It isn't that hard to figure out and if you need help I will tell you how to do it.

[CoreyMac]

LOL You are telling people what to buy anytime you give an opinion in threads asking questions like : 2.4 or 2.0, Macbook or Macbook Pro, Applesac or MacCase, etc.. Give me a break.

Once again if you don't like my opinions use the ignore button. It isn't that hard to figure out and if you need help I will tell you how to do it.

I give my opinion on cases and models....but I dont call someone an idiot for buying one over the other. The point of "vs" threads is for people to get feedback and opinions on products, without bashing them. Looking down upon people who buy one over another is a totally different thing.

Im talking normally here and you are clearly on the defense. Just let it go, your MacBook Pro is God, the MacBook sucks...lets go get lunch and I'll tell you you're an idiot for ordering a turkey bacon bravo at panera :P (I enjoy the TBB btw)

[cellocello]

I use a 16 core Mac Pro running on a generator as my portable solution.

You guys don't? lol.

How do you get anything done?! ;)

[MacJenn]

I give my opinion on cases and models....but I dont call someone an idiot for buying one over the other. The point of "vs" threads is for people to get feedback and opinions on products, without bashing them. Looking down upon people who buy one over another is a totally different thing.

Then practice what you preach. I gave my opinion and you called me out. You have called others out before, but the difference is I will defend myself. You like to attack to get a reaction out of people. Like I said I gave my opinion and I will continue to do so. If you don't like that ignore me. You should anyways because you have attacked me numerous times before. It is like having a sick stalker after me.

[CoreyMac]

Then practice what you preach. I gave my opinion and you called me out. You have called others out before, but the difference is I will defend myself. You like to attack to get a reaction out of people. Like I said I gave my opinion and I will continue to do so. If you don't like that ignore me. You should anyways because you have attacked me numerous times before. It is like having a sick stalker after me.

Stalker? lol get over yourself. Really. Im not calling you out for your opinion, obviously the Pro is better in terms of features and graphic intensive programs. Im calling you out for your statement of "feeling bad for anyone that buys the crapbook over the entry level MBP" which is totally unfair, and you know it.

[MacJenn]

Stalker? lol get over yourself. Really. Im not calling you out for your opinion, Im calling you out for your statement of "feeling bad for anyone that buys the crapbook over the entry level MBP" which is totally unfair, and you know it.

For a measley $150 I don't know it. IMO it makes no sense to buy the new 2.4 Macbook (which IMO is a ripoff at $1599 compared to the 2.0 at $1299 or the new Macbook Pro at $1749).

IMO

[CoreyMac]

For a measley $150 I don't know it. IMO it makes no sense to buy the new 2.4 Macbook (which IMO is a ripoff at $1599 compared to the 2.0 at $1299 or the new Macbook Pro at $1749).

IMO

Well, if you take the edu discount into consideration, the 2.4 MB is $1499. Just sayin :P

Yes that is a fantastic deal for the entry level MBP, but some people dont need/want something of that size.

[silverblack]

Regardless the choice of words, I was going to agree with MacJenn this time that a $150 difference between the 2.4 MBP and 2.4 MB was a good deal...

But then I looked further, the $150 was sale price of MBP over regular price of MB. They are actually still both on sale now (MacConnection): $1749 for 2.4 MBP and $1399 for 2.4 MB. The difference is indeed $350, not $150? May be I looked up the wrong models? Please advise.

[MacJenn]

Regardless the choice of words, I was going to agree with MacJenn this time that a $150 difference between the 2.4 MBP and 2.4 MB was a good deal...

But then I looked further, the $150 was sale price of MBP over regular price of MB. They are actually still both on sale now (MacConnection): $1749 for 2.4 MBP and $1399 for 2.4 MB. The difference is indeed $350, not $150? May be I looked up the wrong models? Please advise.

They just put the new Macbook on sale then. I checked it a few days ago and it was for 1549. Thanks for checking. $1399 for the new 2.4 Macbook and $1749 for the new Macbook Pro are great deals. Plus no tax at least for me.

[agurlnamedgoo]

I once read on another forum that even the lowest spec MBP will outperform a completely spec'ed out MB.. thoughts?

[Digital Skunk]

I use a 16 core Mac Pro running on a generator as my portable solution.

You guys don't? lol.

How do you get anything done?! ;)

HA! Funny as hell and very fitting.

There is not going to be much speed difference between the MBP and MB in this day in age. You either need the light weight, or you need the FW800, express card slot, 15" screen, and the dedicated GFX card.

[clyde2801]

Personally, the screen on the MB was a put off for me. Yeah, I can hook it up to an external monitor, but what's the point of having a laptop instead of a mini?

I intend to keep my pro for at least a couple of years. Considering the screen is what I'll be primarily interfacing with, a nicer one was a consideration. (Admittedly, if I didn't have the money for the upgrade, this might have been different.)

Apple's always had a history of scrimping on the entry level laptops. Compare a iBook to even a 12" powerbook. They didn't stop this at the unibody macbook. While it's the best screen (IMO) on a consumer mac laptop, it's still not the same compared to the pro. What bothers me is that Apple was less than forthcoming about this fact, as they were about the HDCP on the display port.

I don't really blame them for the scrimping, because then the MB's would really eat into MBP sales. What I do blame them for is NOT acknowledging the difference between the two screens.

OTOH, for a consumer laptop, the unibody is the best entry level mac they've made to date, and I'm NOT knocking the people who chose that feature or price set and bought it.

That being said, MacJenn and CoreyMac, don't make me pull this car over!

[CoreyMac]

Personally, the screen on the MB was a put off for me. Yeah, I can hook it up to an external monitor, but what's the point of having a laptop instead of a mini?

I intend to keep my pro for at least a couple of years. Considering the screen is what I'll be primarily interfacing with, a nicer one was a consideration. (Admittedly, if I didn't have the money for the upgrade, this might have been different.)

Apple's always had a history of scrimping on the entry level laptops. Compare a iBook to even a 12" powerbook. They didn't stop this at the unibody macbook. While it's the best screen (IMO) on a consumer mac laptop, it's still not the same compared to the pro. What bothers me is that Apple was less than forthcoming about this fact, as they were about the HDCP on the display port.

I don't really blame them for the scrimping, because then the MB's would really eat into MBP sales. What I do blame them for is NOT acknowledging the difference between the two screens.

OTOH, for a consumer laptop, the unibody is the best entry level mac they've made to date, and I'm NOT knocking the people who chose that feature or price set and bought it.

That being said, MacJenn and CoreyMac, don't make me pull this car over!

lol :)

[nope7308]

lol :)

Does that mean I'm the eldest? It sounds like little sis' is the spoiled one!

[Kwill]

Don't bother with the 2.4GHz model. It's as much of a rip off as the Pros are. The 2.0GHz is marginally slower and is $300 cheaper. I know what's more important to me.

MacBook and MacBook Pro Performance (October 2008)
http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/10/

[nope7308]

MacBook and MacBook Pro Performance (October 2008)
http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/10/

Thank you for that very helpful link. Now, if only MacJenn would take the time to read it...

Apparently, the 2.4Ghz MB outperforms the 2.4Ghz MBP in overall scores. That doesn't mean much (if anything), but it's always nice to add insult to injury :D

[CoreyMac]

according to that, the 2.4 mb outscored the 2.4 MBP?? interesting.

[nope7308]

according to that, the 2.4 mb outscored the 2.4 MBP?? interesting.

Yeah, it seems weird but I've seen it happen before.

Oh, and to substantiate my original post (for anyone who disputes it)...

"This increased graphics performance is a huge gain for the MacBook, and makes the MacBook a compelling machine for people looking for a smaller MacBook Pro."

That said, the MBP is still an amazing machine. I still believe that the 'best' computer is the one that fits your needs, so buy accordingly!

[silverblack]

according to that, the 2.4 mb outscored the 2.4 MBP?? interesting.

I don't get it either. How can the MB outperformed the MBP in memory performance, when the MB has 2 GB of RAM and MBP has 4 GB? May be it was something like performance per GB?

[CoreyMac]

Yeah, it seems weird but I've seen it happen before.

Oh, and to substantiate my original post (for anyone who disputes it)...

"This increased graphics performance is a huge gain for the MacBook, and makes the MacBook a compelling machine for people looking for a smaller MacBook Pro."

That said, the MBP is still an amazing machine. I still believe that the 'best' computer is the one that fits your needs, so buy accordingly!

indeed thats the same point I was trying to make.

[nope7308]

I don't get it either. How can the MB outperformed the MBP in memory performance, when the MB has 2 GB of RAM and MBP has 4 GB? May be it was something like performance per GB?

Actually, they both have 2GB of RAM. The comparison was between the 2.4Ghz MB and the 2.4Ghz MBP. You were probably thinking of the 2.53Ghz MBP (honest mistake).

indeed thats the same point I was trying to make.

And I think you made it well. Unfortunately, some people can't be persuaded if they don't intend to listen.

[silverblack]

Actually, they both have 2GB of RAM. The comparison was between the 2.4Ghz MB and the 2.4Ghz MBP. You were probably thinking of the 2.53Ghz MBP (honest mistake).


May be I am reading it wrong then. Thanks for pointing it out. I thought the following meant 4GB for MBP and 2GB for MB. (quoted from here (http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/10/macbook-and-macbook-pro-performance-october-2008/))

Setup

MacBook Pro (Late 2008)

Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 @ 2.53GHz or
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
4.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2088)

MacBook (Late 2008)

Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz or
Intel Core 2 Duo P7350 @ 2.00GHz
2.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2114)

[nope7308]

May be I am reading it wrong then. Thanks for pointing it out. I thought the following meant 4GB for MBP and 2GB for MB. (quoted from here (http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/10/macbook-and-macbook-pro-performance-october-2008/))

Setup

MacBook Pro (Late 2008)

Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 @ 2.53GHz or
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
4.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2088)

MacBook (Late 2008)

Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz or
Intel Core 2 Duo P7350 @ 2.00GHz
2.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2114)

Yes, that is definitely misleading. As I'm sure you're aware, if the 2.4Ghz MBP was tested with 4GB of RAM, then this data would make no sense. I doubt that's the case, though. The test is meant to be a direct comparison between the different models, so it wouldn't make sense to partially upgrade one of them (it would undermine the purpose of the test).

I guess they forgot to write 2GB for the 2.4Ghz MBP...?

I'm still curious why the 2.4Ghz MB scored better than the 2.4Ghz MBP. These benchmarking tools really puzzle me sometimes!

[Kwill]

according to that, the 2.4 mb outscored the 2.4 MBP?? interesting.

You can download and test your personal configuration:
http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

Higher numbers are better. Geekbench overall performance:

MacBook Pro (Late 2008) = 3129
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
4.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2088)

MacBook (Late 2008) = 3139
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
2.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2114)

[clyde2801]

Does that mean I'm the eldest? It sounds like little sis' is the spoiled one!

The oldest usually gets smacked first and hardest. May not be fair, but that's just the way life is.

Oh, almost forgot..<SMACK> that's for talking back to me!

[nope7308]

The oldest usually gets smacked first and hardest. May not be fair, but that's just the way life is.

Oh, almost forgot..<SMACK> that's for talking back to me!

Sad, but true. I know from experience.

[Digital Skunk]

You can download and test your personal configuration:
http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

Higher numbers are better. Geekbench overall performance:

MacBook Pro (Late 2008) = 3129
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
4.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2088)

MacBook (Late 2008) = 3139
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
2.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2114)

Very glad this was posted.

As many (or at least I) have said. The MB win's but not by much.

And as was also said, get the machine that best suites your needs. If you can spend an extra $300 and get express card, dedicated graphics, FW800 and FW400, and a bigger display, go for it since you won't loose much at all in terms of performance.

[Neil1138]

MacBook - blah, blah, blah

MacBook Pro - blah, blah blah + 15" screen (A better 15" screen), FW800, Express card slot, Dedicated 9600 GT graphics card, better speakers, ability to support more RAM, did i say better screen quality? :D

Again, the only argument the MacBook has is portability. That's it

DOUBLE EDIT:

You can download and test your personal configuration:
http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/

Higher numbers are better. Geekbench overall performance:

MacBook Pro (Late 2008) = 3129
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
4.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 <---------- WRONG
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2088)

MacBook (Late 2008) = 3139
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 @ 2.40GHz
2.00 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Mac OS X 10.5.5 (Build 9F2114)

So I ran this on my macbook and the specs given on this chart are WRONG. I got a score of 3126 with my MBP w/ 2GB of RAM. heres the picture
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/Neil1138/Picture1-1.png

[Digital Skunk]

ability to support more RAM,

Both support 4GB (as per Apple's specs) and 6GB if you wish to fork over the cash.

[nope7308]

MacBook - blah, blah, blah

MacBook Pro - blah, blah blah + 15" screen (A better 15" screen), FW800, Express card slot, Dedicated 9600 GT graphics card, better speakers, ability to support more RAM, did i say better screen quality? :D

Again, the only argument the MacBook has is portability. That's it

DOUBLE EDIT:



So I ran this on my macbook and the specs given on this chart are WRONG. I got a score of 3126 with my MBP w/ 2GB of RAM. heres the picture
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll29/Neil1138/Picture1-1.png

FAIL

If you took the time to read the above posts, then you would have realized that we've already discussed ALL of your points. The issue was never the feature set between the two models, it was the performance differentials. For the extra money, you did not receive any substantial performance improvement - that was the issue.

Mind you, the features you listed are all justifiable selling points depending on your needs. Again, if you read the above posts then you would already known this.

I'm starting to think that uninformed bragging rights is another selling point for the MBP...

[heatmiser]

I'm starting to think that uninformed bragging rights is another selling point for the MBP...

: D

[hogfaninga]

A lot of attitude problems on this thread mostly from people who put down others for it.

[nope7308]

A lot of attitude problems on this thread mostly from people who put down others for it.

Don't dish it if you can't take it.
OR
If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

:D

I apologize for being rude, but some of these posts really pushed my buttons. Please forgive me, I'll be nice now.

[hogfaninga]

Don't dish it if you can't take it.



Edit: I saw your edit. Ok that is cool.

[nope7308]

People like you and MacJenn bring the board down. Almost everyday you just want to argue and fight with others. It is a shame also. Now you are on ignore. I love that feature.

But I edited the thing!

If you look at my history, I actually do make positive contributions (unlike MacJenn). I just don't have patience for arrogance AND ignorance. Enjoy your ignore button :)

[hogfaninga]

But I edited the thing!

If you look at my history, I actually do make positive contributions (unlike MacJenn). I just don't have patience for arrogance AND ignorance. Enjoy your ignore button :)

I posted before your edit which made me edit mine (does that make sense? you know what I mean). It is all good.

[shoopaman]

man~ I just love :apple: anything... I hope we are now back on track...:(
let the love, begin-again...:D

personally, I prefer(ed) MB, if it wasn't for the better MBP screen, which is thee primary reason for me, I would've bought MB 2.4 in a heartbeat. to each his own...:D

having said above, why are we comparing MB VS. MBP with same graphics chip? to be "fair", because we're talking about what it's worth, right?, we should than compare both to their max. spec. Also, they don't even have the same size/screen res. Of course MBP is going to milk-more from the lower-powered GC. hence the less performance...

YES, this is my OPINION, and it is my opinion only, no one reserves the right to bash on my opinion!:eek:

[shoopaman]

this post made me laugh:DI posted before your edit which made me edit mine (does that make sense? you know what I mean). It is all good.

[nope7308]

Yeah, this has definitely turned into an entertaining thread! I'm pleased to note that the hostility has ceased!

And just to give some context to this 'performance differentials' debate, MacJenn said that the new MBs were 'crapbooks' and that the low-end MBP was substantially better performance-wise. Now that we've put that theory to rest, we can evaluate all the relevant selling points.

I agree that the MBP screen is FAR superior to the MB's. Truthfully, if I wasn't planning on buying an external monitor, the screen would definitely be a deal breaker for me (everything else, not so much). Portability was a big factor too.

Unfortunately, now I'm going through the painful process of choosing a 24" monitor. I love the new Cinema Display, but for that price, I don't love it that much ;)

[shoopaman]

Can't say anything about the price, because I for one think it can be lower. Branding is a bitchshshsh:( Having played with it for a week and still wanting it, only if I can get my hands on it again, I would wait and save and get the real deal. It is a very nice monitor. No. I do not work for :apple: :DYeah, this has definitely turned into an entertaining thread! I'm pleased to note that the hostility has ceased!

And just to give some context to this 'performance differentials' debate, MacJenn said that the new MBs were 'crapbooks' and that the low-end MBP was substantially better performance-wise. Now that we've put that theory to rest, we can evaluate all the relevant selling points.

I agree that the MBP screen is FAR superior to the MB's. Truthfully, if I wasn't planning on buying an external monitor, the screen would definitely be a deal breaker for me (everything else, not so much). Portability was a big factor too.

Unfortunately, now I'm going through the painful process of choosing a 24" monitor. I love the new Cinema Display, but for that price, I don't love it that much ;)

[knarzie]

agreed, even with my higher education discount it is at least twice as much as my budget. and ideally, I would want a 20". if they release a smaller cheaper one in january i might go for that, simply because I would sell my own mother for apple products :(



Unfortunately, now I'm going through the painful process of choosing a 24" monitor. I love the new Cinema Display, but for that price, I don't love it that much ;)

[Kwill]

So I ran this on my macbook and the specs given on this chart are WRONG. I got a score of 3126 with my MBP w/ 2GB of RAM.

Individual results can vary. Factors affecting score include but are not limited to amount of RAM, whether machine was restarted before test, if other applications are running and whether 32-bit or 64-bit test is performed.

I have a G5 Duo 2.3GHz with 8GB of RAM scoring 2046, that significantly beats the base configuration (http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/06/) score of 1962. My iMac 2.4GHz with 4GB RAM scores 3243 which is close to the 3241 listed with 32-bit testing. Registered users of Geekbench can upload results that are used to compile results.

The most recent MacBook scores were from a controlled environment following the same procedure for each machine. Therefore they serve as relative benchmarks.

[sangosimo]

geek bench scores mean nothing because they provide no real realation to the real world. If my computer scores 5% higher geek bench what does that mean and 3000 what.

[Kwill]

geek bench scores mean nothing because they provide no real realation to the real world. If my computer scores 5% higher geek bench what does that mean and 3000 what.

From the Primate Labs Blog (http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/2008/06/):

As always, I’ve reported the average overall score for each model and processor combination. If you’re unfamiliar (http://getsatisfaction.com/primatelabs/topics/interpret_results) with Geekbench and how it measures performance, a score of 1000 is the score a Power Mac G5 @ 1.6GHz would receive. Higher scores are better.

Also, keep in mind that Geekbench 2 (http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench) only measures processor and memory performance which is why, for example, MacBook and MacBook Pro scores are so similar, despite both having radically different graphics adapters.

[sangosimo]

floating point performance and memory latency aren't good metrics for understanding real world performance. A computer doesn't just use one interface at a time that is why the geek bench tests are useless. The score they give you doesn't mean much.

[knarzie]

so I have read 3 pages of bickering, give or take a couple of posts, and I am none the wiser.

[Jagurandi]

so I have read 3 pages of bickering, give or take a couple of posts, and I am none the wiser.

Well I'm no expert by any means, but I'll be ordering my MB today and spent a lot of time trying to decide between the MB and MBP.

A little background: presently a college student, going to be a graduate student in the fall, all the normal activities (work, music, torrents, etc), some light gaming (roms, escape velocity, WoW here and there), and I'm usually running a ton of programs and instances at once.

After scouring the internet for reviews, opinions, thoughts, and traveling to the apple store on multiple occasions to view the two computers, fondle them (you heard me), lift them around, and generally get a feel for them, I'm going with the kitted MB. Part of the reason for not going with the low-end MBP, I'll admit, is that the difference in price also gets me an iPhone :) .

I don't have a dog in this MBP rulez, MB droolz race that seems to be going on here, but I'll say that actual use of the MB and MBP at the store (yeah, I'm that guy that shows up at the store and messes with the computer for an hour), I can say that the MBP didn't really impress me over MB. The MBP is really cool, but it just didn't do it for me.

I don't know if this helps at all... but just to give you an idea from my lay perspective.

[robzr]

Once again you left out many features the new Macbook Pro has compared to the low end (all reg alu Macbook's are low end to me) Macbook. I think it makes you feel special by saying your laptop is just as good as the Pro. Whatever floats your boat.

Face reality? I got my new Macbook Pro for $1749 USD. I paid only $150 more than the 2.4 Crapbook. Reality is a lot of people got ripped off by getting the low end Macbook for $1599 USD when they could of paid $150 more and got the much better one. I know, I know. Most bought it for portability and not because it was cheaper. That is always the excuse.

MacConnection and Macmall is selling the new Macbook Pro for $1749. Really good deal especially when it is only $150 more than the cheap reg. Macbook.

Are you comparing a after-rebate price on the MBP to a full price on the MB? After rebate, MacConnection has the 2.4gHz MB for $1399; last time I looked thats a $350 difference, not $150. So for $350 you get +1 lbs, larger package, higher res/larger screen, express card, dedicated gpu.

Personally, money not being an object, I went with a MB since I carry mine around everyday, size & weight were key. Dedicated GPU, Express Card, 1440 screen are all nice but not enough of a benefit to warrant the extra size and weight. *for me*

Rob

Edit - forgot about firewire, shows how important that is to me :)

[shoppy]

I got the following score from my 2.4 with 4gigs ram whilst still downloading, surfing and playing itunes.

[knarzie]

this does actually help quite a lot. thank you.


Well I'm no expert by any means, but I'll be ordering my MB today and spent a lot of time trying to decide between the MB and MBP.

A little background: presently a college student, going to be a graduate student in the fall, all the normal activities (work, music, torrents, etc), some light gaming (roms, escape velocity, WoW here and there), and I'm usually running a ton of programs and instances at once.

After scouring the internet for reviews, opinions, thoughts, and traveling to the apple store on multiple occasions to view the two computers, fondle them (you heard me), lift them around, and generally get a feel for them, I'm going with the kitted MB. Part of the reason for not going with the low-end MBP, I'll admit, is that the difference in price also gets me an iPhone :) .

I don't have a dog in this MBP rulez, MB droolz race that seems to be going on here, but I'll say that actual use of the MB and MBP at the store (yeah, I'm that guy that shows up at the store and messes with the computer for an hour), I can say that the MBP didn't really impress me over MB. The MBP is really cool, but it just didn't do it for me.

I don't know if this helps at all... but just to give you an idea from my lay perspective.

[MacJenn]

Are you comparing a after-rebate price on the MBP to a full price on the MB? After rebate, MacConnection has the 2.4gHz MB for $1399; last time I looked thats a $350 difference, not $150. So for $350 you get +1 lbs, larger package, higher res/larger screen, express card, dedicated gpu.

Personally, money not being an object, I went with a MB since I carry mine around everyday, size & weight were key. Dedicated GPU, Express Card, 1440 screen are all nice but not enough of a benefit to warrant the extra size and weight. *for me*

Rob

Edit - forgot about firewire, shows how important that is to me :)

You are the type who posts without reading all the posts. I will repeat this for the slow and lazy people. When I made that comparison the mb wasn't on sale. Only the pro. Then someone said the mb was just put on sale. Next time read then post. I still say $350 is well worth paying for the pro.

[Brianstorm91]

I'm going for the Pro in the hope that it'll offer me a little more longevity in the long run, I want it to last quite some time.

[hogfaninga]

Yeah I pretty much made up my mind to go with the Macbook Pro for the minimal price difference (to me), but I'm also tempted to buy the Macbook Air. I'm trying to convince myself to buy the Air (sexy, lightweight, the new one is a lot better than the previous one, screen is awesome, etc.) but a few people I have talked to say I should go with the Pro. I already own a Blackbook which I'm keeping (selling the wife's Whitebook and giving her my 7 month old Blackbook--upgrade for her) so I will have FW (which I need) and it is powerful enough for what I do plus I have a pretty decent desktop for anything else. I guess I have 5 weeks to decide. A nice problem to have I guess.

[Jagurandi]

I've also been considering product longevity in terms of going in on a MB or MBP. My thoughts are as follows:

My experience with computers (and Apple) is this: except for gaming and intensive/professional applications, a good computer will do you a long way. I've only owned two apple computers... my family bought a performa back when I was a child, and I got a MB (plastic) while I was in college. The MB wasn't the most kitted out computer, but it's seen me through all of my work, roms, WoW (no, it doesn't look great but it runs), and still looks damn good. You're experience may vary, but my MB was a quality product... and with those exceptions that I mentioned above, quality computers have good longevity.

**EDIT**
2.4 aluminum Macbook--RETURNED THE CRAPBOOK for a real computer.
new alu 2.4 Macbook Pro
Still miss my Blackbook--Great lappy.

MacJenn, did an aluminum macbook beat you up as a child or kick your puppy or something? You seem to have a bit of a personal beef with that computer, haha :)

[silverblack]

Yeah I pretty much made up my mind to go with the Macbook Pro for the minimal price difference (to me),

Hey hogfaninga, MBP is nice. You do realize the price difference of MBP is $350 over the 2.4 MB, and $600 over the 2.0 MB (not $150), right? ... at least at MacConnection as we speak today.

[hogfaninga]

Hey hogfaninga, MBP is nice. You do realize the price difference of MBP is $350 over the 2.4 MB, and $600 over the 2.0 MB (not $150), right? ... at least at MacConnection as we speak today.

Yeah. I just feel it is worth it for me. My opinion is the new 2.0 Macbook is the sweet spot for the new one and the 2.4 Pro is the sweetspot for the Pro model. Like I said it is my opinion on that. I still love the Air though. Damn Apple.

[Jiten]

Wouldn't it be great to have a "Pro" version of the 13 inch Macbook? Look at the T400 Thinkpad and the Vaio Z - smaller form factor but specs similar to the Macbook Pro. I would pay extra for that.

[robzr]

You are the type who posts without reading all the posts. I will repeat this for the slow and lazy people. When I made that comparison the mb wasn't on sale. Only the pro. Then someone said the mb was just put on sale. Next time read then post. I still say $350 is well worth paying for the pro.

Yah right, I've been watching the prices since they came out, the rebates were all out simultaneously... I think you're the slow and lazy one :)

Rob

[idonotliketostu]

i used the macbook pro
it was too big
so i switch to the mb
i do not play any games or use the firewire
the only noticeable differences are overall size and screen quality, which the mb lacks in both

[questmcoupe]

How would the MB compare to my iMac 2.8Ghz? The only thing I really want to do is photo edit and run Traktor DJ 3 without any hiccups like on my iMac...would the MB be able to handle that?