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mcarnes
Dec 9, 2008, 06:45 PM
Check out the stability of this thing:

http://gizmodo.com/5104917/video-of-multiple-kill-vehicle-test

Mr. lax
Dec 9, 2008, 08:39 PM
WOW, thats freaking scary

gilkisson
Dec 9, 2008, 08:43 PM
I sooo want one. No idea why, or what practical purpose... I just want one. maybe that would get rid of the damn seagulls...

Schtumple
Dec 9, 2008, 08:47 PM
Oh good god, technology has now reached the stage where it's now blowing my mind, guess it's a sign I'm getting old...

How on earth does that thing stabilise itself so well... I'm scared to think that in a dodgy deal, those could be sold to an enemy then unleashed in a busy city area...

Bobdude161
Dec 9, 2008, 10:42 PM
awesome! at first i thought it was rendered. That thing sure is loud tho.

DZ/015
Dec 9, 2008, 10:50 PM
But think of the commercial uses. It could be loaded up with sunblock and let loose on a beach full of glowing tourists. Or gravy at Thanksgiving.

ucfgrad93
Dec 10, 2008, 12:06 AM
Wow, that is amazing!!!:eek:

dmr727
Dec 10, 2008, 01:04 AM
Impressive. That thing certainly scares the crap out of me. It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

Scary cool technology. I almost feel bad when they kick the thing.

BornAgainMac
Dec 10, 2008, 07:31 AM
Impressive. That thing certainly scares the crap out of me. It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

Scary cool technology. I almost feel bad when they kick the thing.

I saw that yesterday. I did feel bad when they kicked it. This was one of the best robot demos I have ever seen.

sushi
Dec 10, 2008, 07:38 AM
Impressive. That thing certainly scares the crap out of me. It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

Scary cool technology. I almost feel bad when they kick the thing.
For some reason, the dog bothers me.

The hovering weapon, OTOH, is way cool! :)

Abstract
Dec 10, 2008, 08:10 AM
Impressive. That thing certainly scares the crap out of me. It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

Scary cool technology. I almost feel bad when they kick the thing.

Or THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfaNCRAFuek).

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 08:15 AM
Wow, I can't believe that video is public!

Seriously. That's a closed program. :eek: :confused:

iShater
Dec 10, 2008, 08:20 AM
Or THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfaNCRAFuek).

LOL!


The hovering craft is awesome. Let's just hope that if the AI goes rogue, they are still loud enough for us to know when they are coming! :eek:

themoonisdown09
Dec 10, 2008, 08:23 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the hovering weapon in the video looks computer generated?

iShater
Dec 10, 2008, 08:24 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the hovering weapon in the video looks computer generated?

It would have to have a kick@$$ physics engine to use for generating it.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 08:25 AM
It's not computer generated.

Its also not a hovering weapon. It is a steering apparatus for a thing. ;)

themoonisdown09
Dec 10, 2008, 08:28 AM
It would have to have a kick@$$ physics engine to use for generating it.
It's not computer generated.


The fact that this military video has surfaced, which is something I think they'd want to keep secret, makes me wonder if it's a hoax. This will probably scare the poo out of everybody, which is what I think they're going for.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 08:33 AM
Its not fake, I promise you. :D

GoCubsGo
Dec 10, 2008, 08:34 AM
It's not computer generated.

Its also not a hovering weapon. It is a steering apparatus for a thing. ;)

If it's not a weapon what is it doing? I mean, to the general public I would say it looks as though it is shooting.

Whatever it is, it's wicked cool and I want one.

iJohnHenry
Dec 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
I sooo want one. No idea why, or what practical purpose... I just want one. maybe that would get rid of the damn seagulls...

Mmmmm, don't think so. Think of the "friendly fire" deaths that would result at a beach.

It looks like it's designed to be transported into a room full of nasty people, then launched. That's why it achieves chest-height, but no higher.

Puts me in mind of Black Sunday (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075765/), but on a much smaller scale.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 08:36 AM
It's a great way to steer things in space.

Say, a type of missile, that had to rapidly adjust course in order to intercept something.

This is all strictly speculative, though. :p

BornAgainMac
Dec 10, 2008, 08:51 AM
This weapon just confuses me. I don't know if I should shoot it down or laugh.

pilotError
Dec 10, 2008, 08:52 AM
I don't think it's a big secret.

It is an interceptor for inbound missles.

Essentially this thing hovers in front of a missle and the impact destroys the warhead.

This was the 1st test of interceptor. To be able to demonstrate a stable hover in an atmosphere (or gravity - I forget which).

The idea is that when there are multiple inbound warheads, you don't have enough missles to hit all the decoys in addition to the real warhead. If you put say 10 of these in an ICBM and get the payload close enough, these deploy and pick which target to destroy. It can obviously be used for multiple inbound missles as well.

The point of the hovering is so that if an inbound missle changes course to evade, it can also change course quickly (counter-counter measures).

Abstract
Dec 10, 2008, 08:54 AM
It needs a turban. From the video, I don't think I hate it enough to try to shoot it down. It needs something to make me feel paranoid.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 08:55 AM
No Turbin, no explosives either.

Then again, who needs explosives at 6000+ mph?

themoonisdown09
Dec 10, 2008, 09:01 AM
No Turbin, no explosives either.

Then again, who needs explosives at 6000+ mph?

Maybe I should have watched the video with the sound on. I would probably learn more about it that way.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 09:03 AM
This may help a bit.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186290.php

Older brother:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/future-weapons-thaad-missile/1681307689

Here are some things that actually scare me:

http://www.darpa.mil/dso/programsexp.htm

yellow
Dec 10, 2008, 09:06 AM
I wonder what kind of "gas" milage it gets? ;)

gilkisson
Dec 10, 2008, 09:07 AM
Mmmmm, don't think so. Think of the "friendly fire" deaths that would result at a beach.

It looks like it's designed to be transported into a room full of nasty people, then launched. That's why it achieves chest-height, but no higher.

Puts me in mind of Black Sunday (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075765/), but on a much smaller scale.

A beach full of seagulls usually ensure there are a minimum of people around.. at least those who don't want to have organic fish-byproduct sunblock all over them.

Yeah, it would do a room full of nasties. But how to get the big ugly noisy critter into the room? It's not exactly stealthy.

This thing unleashed in a closed arena? Now that's scary.

Don't panic
Dec 10, 2008, 11:15 AM
This may help a bit.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186290.php

Older brother:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/future-weapons-thaad-missile/1681307689

Here are some things that actually scare me:

http://www.darpa.mil/dso/programsexp.htm

i want the z-man gear :D

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 10, 2008, 12:51 PM
I remember reading an open req. Darpa has since removed it, but the RC dragonfly (controlled by a micro hormone administrator placed above "scent receptors" that emits female scent in the direction to fly - and uses a small "shock" to persuade it to fly when still)

With a small compartment to store potential "agents".

Scary part? They apparently got some to work! But not enough payload capacity. It has since gone wayward from the req site - which usually means it's now classified and being given serious research. :confused::eek:

RC bugs carrying chemical agents. Yeah. Truth stranger than fiction.

william sire
Dec 10, 2008, 07:16 PM
How is anyone going to get any sleep with all the noise that thing makes? And wasn't that in the terminator movie?

QuantumLo0p
Dec 10, 2008, 10:10 PM
Hmmm. Obviously inspired by the Death Blossom in The Last Starfighter.

pilotError
Dec 10, 2008, 10:22 PM
I recently read an article about something similar to this that they plan on using in bunker buster bombs.

The thing essentially breaks into the bunker and releases a bunch of these tiny softball sized bombs that have a little motor attached to them. They spin like one of those fireworks pinwheels. The idea being that they bounce around the room and maybe down a hallway or two and over some obstacles before exploding.

Bad enough that thing comes crashing down on your party, but then the party balls start flying around the room.

Pretty sick stuff! Some of these weapons designers have some very creative imaginations!

ravenvii
Dec 11, 2008, 02:31 AM
Impressive. That thing certainly scares the crap out of me. It reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

Scary cool technology. I almost feel bad when they kick the thing.

Whoa, predecessor of METAL GEAR?!

Thomas Veil
Dec 11, 2008, 07:35 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the hovering weapon in the video looks computer generated?No, I thought the same thing.

The fact that this military video has surfaced, which is something I think they'd want to keep secret, makes me wonder if it's a hoax. This will probably scare the poo out of everybody, which is what I think they're going for.Exactly. I don't think it's a hoax, but the whole point of releasing this is probably to give al-Qaeda a lot to think about.

bbotte
Dec 11, 2008, 09:10 AM
It's no match for:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1273/1355774772_423f9e8471.jpg?v=0

freebooter
Dec 11, 2008, 09:26 AM
I feel sick when I see all the billions of dollars, millions of man-hours and thousands of brilliant minds wasted on developing the technology of death. We, humanity, are immature and twisted, and we will be very lucky to make it past this phase of our development and mature into a wise species.
Were even a fraction of the money, energy and talent wasted on killing each other used for the benefit of mankind...

PlaceofDis
Dec 11, 2008, 09:36 AM
How is anyone going to get any sleep with all the noise that thing makes? And wasn't that in the terminator movie?

at first glance it reminded me of terminator as well. haha.

but the 'hovering' aspect of this thing is the coolest aspect about it imo.

Big-TDI-Guy
Dec 11, 2008, 10:26 AM
I wouldn't consider it an instrument of death. It's sole purpose is to destroy incoming ICBMs (as the re-enter the atmosphere).

It doesn't even carry any explosive charge, it's a kinetic kill vehicle.

Granted, this thing is what has Russia's panties in a knot, but I'd argue against it being an instrument of death.

gilkisson
Dec 11, 2008, 11:53 AM
I feel sick when I see all the billions of dollars, millions of man-hours and thousands of brilliant minds wasted on developing the technology of death. We, humanity, are immature and twisted, and we will be very lucky to make it past this phase of our development and mature into a wise species.
Were even a fraction of the money, energy and talent wasted on killing each other used for the benefit of mankind...

You do have a point. But let's not forget the (sad) truth, that many of the things we enjoy today were originally invented by or for the military in the first place. Necessity is the mother of invention, after all.

From a utopian standpoint, it would be far better if we could all just get along. As you say, grow up as a species.

william sire
Dec 11, 2008, 07:51 PM
I feel sick when I see all the billions of dollars, millions of man-hours and thousands of brilliant minds wasted on developing the technology of death. We, humanity, are immature and twisted, and we will be very lucky to make it past this phase of our development and mature into a wise species.
Were even a fraction of the money, energy and talent wasted on killing each other used for the benefit of mankind...

Like the computer. Now millions of children watch porn all day.

Wait, that's not a good example.

CMelton
Dec 12, 2008, 01:00 PM
I don't think it's a big secret.

It is an interceptor for inbound missles.

Essentially this thing hovers in front of a missle and the impact destroys the warhead.

This was the 1st test of interceptor. To be able to demonstrate a stable hover in an atmosphere (or gravity - I forget which).

The idea is that when there are multiple inbound warheads, you don't have enough missles to hit all the decoys in addition to the real warhead. If you put say 10 of these in an ICBM and get the payload close enough, these deploy and pick which target to destroy. It can obviously be used for multiple inbound missles as well.

The point of the hovering is so that if an inbound missle changes course to evade, it can also change course quickly (counter-counter measures).

Actually if you read the article it doesn't do that at all.

"Then, instead of exploding, the MKV will maneuver through the threats launching several kill vehicles, each targeted at the different objects on the air, both real dangers and dummies set to deceive missile defences."

So it will actually launch "kill vehicles" at each missile that has been fired. Hence the name "Multiple Kill Vehicle" It wouldn't be "multiple" if it only destroyed one missile would it?

QuantumLo0p
Dec 13, 2008, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't consider it an instrument of death. It's sole purpose is to destroy incoming ICBMs (as the re-enter the atmosphere). It doesn't even carry any explosive charge, it's a kinetic kill vehicle. Granted, this thing is what has Russia's panties in a knot, but I'd argue against it being an instrument of death.

I could not agree more. It is much closer to an instrument of life rather than death.

Some people seem to have a lot of problems with human nature and free will.

jmann
Dec 13, 2008, 10:33 PM
that's way scary :eek: I hope I never see that thing in person. I would be creeped out.

mcarnes
Dec 13, 2008, 11:46 PM
We, humanity, are immature and twisted, and we will be very lucky to make it past this phase of our development and mature into a wise species.

Meh. Wisdom is for pussies.

dabirdwell
Dec 14, 2008, 12:17 AM
This may help a bit.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/186290.php

Older brother:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/future-weapons-thaad-missile/1681307689

Here are some things that actually scare me:

http://www.darpa.mil/dso/programsexp.htm

Anybody notice the only listed DARPA program without a link to further information?

"Mathematical Time Reversal "

...umm, OK....


Is this related to the search for electric dipole moments, or something different?

duncyboy
Dec 14, 2008, 06:08 AM
Puts me in mind of Black Sunday (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075765/), but on a much smaller scale.

Superb book, poor film.

I would've been more open-minded about the possibilities for this technology if I hadn't have seen it shortly after THIS. (http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/terminatorsalvation/terminatorsalvation-tlr2_h640w.mov) :eek: ;)

Abstract
Dec 14, 2008, 06:18 AM
Anybody notice the only listed DARPA program without a link to further information?

"Mathematical Time Reversal "

...umm, OK....


Is this related to the search for electric dipole moments, or something different?

"Slidersssss"

iCantwait
Dec 27, 2008, 07:34 AM
Mmmmm, don't think so. Think of the "friendly fire" deaths that would result at a beach..

Collateral Damage:p

it looks skynet - Suck on that sarah connor, you loose bitch