Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday? [Archive] - Page 2

InkMaster

Dec 13, 2008, 07:42 AM

To be blunt, it sounds like the problem is with you more than with the operating system itself

At least nothing that wasn't my own fault (I like to mess around with system files. Sometimes they don't end well, but I can usually fix the error without having to reformat, and this applies to Mac OS X and Windows, as well as Ubuntu).

I think you misunderstood me - Its not that I can't fix it -- but if I have to sit there for a week trying to pin down what exactly went wrong for no apparent reason (ie one day it works, next day it all goes to hell w/o you installing/changing anything) -- if it takes that long to find out what's the stupid problem, it takes less time to wipe, reinstall, recover and continue working. Either way, my point still stands; compared to Panther and Tiger, Leopard is a buggy turd.

bbotte

Dec 13, 2008, 07:57 AM

Yea it's Saturday. Where's my update?

BRLawyer

Dec 13, 2008, 08:10 AM

The fact of the matter is: Leopard is ROCK-SOLID at least since 10.5.3. I don't even know what could be improved in terms of a x.x.6 release...this OS is awesomely stable. There has been absolutely NO issue to report for a long time already...my iMac is a pleasure to use.

GO APPLE!

JMP

Dec 13, 2008, 08:53 AM

in French: Bingo! ,on ai de plus en plus proche de Snow leopard, cans il' y aura 10.5.8, je serais prais pour le nouveau animal de AAPL,:p

Ooops: "On s'approche de plus en plus de Snow Leopard. Quand 10.5.8 arrivera, je serai prêt pour le nouvel animal d'Apple" ;)

brannman27

Dec 13, 2008, 09:22 AM

You seldom see anything released on fridays, they are to busy thinking about getting home for the weekend. Mondays are not much better for different reasons. That leaves about three days a week anything gets done. This is true of just about any business out there.

bbotte

Dec 13, 2008, 09:50 AM

Ooops: "On s'approche de plus en plus de Snow Leopard. Quand 10.5.8 arrivera, je serai prêt pour le nouvel animal d'Apple" ;)

Oui.

Eric S.

Dec 13, 2008, 10:50 AM

But yeah, I really really hope 10.6 will be more like 10.3/10.4 cause those two were just solid.

10.6 will only be 10.5 with a bunch of new OS technology added, which means it's likely to be more unstable until they get the bugs in the new stuff fixed.

For me, 10.5 has been the most solid MacOS yet - although I still really miss Classic mode.

Kilamite

Dec 13, 2008, 10:53 AM

10.6 will only be 10.5 with a bunch of new OS technology added, which means it's likely to be more unstable until they get the bugs in the new stuff fixed.

For me, 10.5 has been the most solid MacOS yet - although I still really miss Classic mode.

You think 10.6 is going to be an unstable release?! They are refining Leopard, so it will be one of the most stable OS releases ever.

Eric S.

Dec 13, 2008, 11:12 AM

You think 10.6 is going to be an unstable release?! They are refining Leopard, so it will be one of the most stable OS releases ever.

What does "refining" mean? They're adding a bunch of new stuff and new stuff always has bugs, so yes, 10.6 will be more unstable than 10.5.x, at least initially.

You seldom see anything released on fridays, they are to busy thinking about getting home for the weekend. Mondays are not much better for different reasons. That leaves about three days a week anything gets done. This is true of just about any business out there.

I actually keep a running count of these things, and here it is:

10.0.1 - 10.0.4: Saturday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
10.1.1 - 10.1.5: Tuesday (twice), Wednesday, Thursday (twice)
10.2.1 - 10.2.8: Monday (twice), Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (3 times), Friday
10.3.1 - 10.3.9: Monday (3 times), Wednesday (4 times), Friday (twice)
10.4.1 - 10.4.11: Monday (3 times), Tuesday (5 times), Wednesday (twice), Friday
10.5.1 - 10.5.5: Monday (twice), Wednesday (twice), Thursday

If I count correctly, that works out to:
Saturday: 1 (the very first update, 10.0.1)
Monday: 10
Tuesday: 9
Wednesday: 11
Thursday: 7
Friday: 4

Make of that what you will.

emmab2006

Dec 13, 2008, 11:17 AM

well if there's a candidate for apple geek you have won :p XxX

Kilamite

Dec 13, 2008, 11:21 AM

What does "refining" mean? They're adding a bunch of new stuff and new stuff always has bugs, so yes, 10.6 will be more unstable than 10.5.x, at least initially.

Refining (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=define:+refining&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).

They aren't just adding a bunch of "new stuff" - they are enhancing a lot of it too. Going from Tiger to Leopard was dodgy, 10.5.0 was pretty buggy to say the least.

However, because 10.6 is concentrating on improvements and performance fixes rather than new features (like GUI facelift, new Dock, Spaces etc etc) then it will be a much more stable release than 10.5.0 was.

I'm not saying 10.6 isn't going to be bug free, but it will be stable.

proc

Dec 13, 2008, 11:42 AM

dr_lha

Dec 13, 2008, 11:44 AM

For me, 10.5 has been the most solid MacOS yet - although I still really miss Classic mode.
More solid than Panther? I don't think so. That was Apple's best OS in terms of its full lifespan IMHO. Tiger was great at the end but was a basket case when it was launched.

Leopard can't be classified as "Rock Solid" when 9/10 I have to force quit Mail to reboot, or Safari constantly beach balls.

twoodcc

Dec 13, 2008, 11:45 AM

Yea it's Saturday. Where's my update?

i'm thinking the same thing. i was hoping it be out by now. hopefully soon

Kilamite

Dec 13, 2008, 11:49 AM

Leopard can't be classified as "Rock Solid" when 9/10 I have to force quit Mail to reboot, or Safari constantly beach balls.

Exactly. You have those issues, not everyone else.

I've never had to force quit Mail. Try resetting Safari.

xUKHCx

Dec 13, 2008, 11:51 AM

I actually keep a running count of these things, and here it is:

Ahh yes I remember seeing that before (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4902784&postcount=271).

In terms of people arguing about stable and what not it really depends on what you use most etc. etc.

For me:

PPC Panther - Tiger (yes 10.4.0 included) where bug free and very stable.
Intel Tiger - Leopard 10.5.4 buggy as hell.
Intel Leopard 10.5.5 stable

Of course ymmv

RaceTripper

Dec 13, 2008, 12:18 PM

I've never had to force quit Mail. I never had to force quit Mail, until I started using IMAP.

RoboCop1

Dec 13, 2008, 12:22 PM

Well, it's Saturday, was hoping it would be out. Now I can't update becuase i'll be traveling. Oh well:(

Eric S.

Dec 13, 2008, 12:26 PM

Refining (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-gb&q=define:+refining&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).

There are about 25 definitions there. But 10.6 is not just a "refinement"; just because the changes may not be visible doesn't mean there isn't a ton of new code to implement OpenCL, Grand Central, 64-bit compatibility, etc.

They aren't just adding a bunch of "new stuff" - they are enhancing a lot of it too.

Any way you phrase it, they're adding a bunch of new code. That always increases instability initially.

Going from Tiger to Leopard was dodgy, 10.5.0 was pretty buggy to say the least.

However, because 10.6 is concentrating on improvements and performance fixes rather than new features (like GUI facelift, new Dock, Spaces etc etc) then it will be a much more stable release than 10.5.0 was.

I'm not saying 10.6 isn't going to be bug free, but it will be stable.

It may well be more stable than 10.5.0 was, but it will be less stable than whatever 10.5.x we're at when 10.6 is released.

More solid than Panther? I don't think so.

Panther was particularly buggy for virtual private network software that I use a lot. That got fixed in Tiger. I used to see kernel panics once in a while in Tiger but never in Leopard (have been using Leopard since 10.5.2).

Ahh yes I remember seeing that before (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4902784&postcount=271).

Except that originally I had mistakenly listed a Sunday update, and it was actually on Monday. :)

Kilamite

Dec 13, 2008, 12:29 PM

There are about 30 definitions there.

Any way you phrase it, they're adding a bunch of new code. That always increases instability initially.

It may well be more stable than 10.5.0 was, but it will be less stable than whatever 10.5.x we're at when 10.6 is released.

Yeah, the general definition is concentrating on making it as pure as possible (taking out the rough edges etc).

You don't think Apple are adding new code to the 10.5.x releases either eh?

I agree it won't be as stable as the latest 10.5.x patch when SL is released - but your original post said 10.6.0 would be unstable, not "as stable". Unstable makes it sound like a disaster waiting to happen.

Eric S.

Dec 13, 2008, 12:42 PM

You don't think Apple are adding new code to the 10.5.x releases either eh?

Sure, some. MobileMe support, for example (but look how that turned out at first). But not nearly as much new code as 10.6 will contain.

I agree it won't be as stable as the latest 10.5.x patch when SL is released - but your original post said 10.6.0 would be unstable, not "as stable". Unstable makes it sound like a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't think it said that. What I said was that 10.6 is "likely to be more unstable [i.e., than the current 10.5.x version] until they get the bugs in the new stuff fixed."

HamishInsanish

Dec 13, 2008, 01:16 PM

Aw, it never happened! Well, we know 10.5.6 is coming, anyway. That was a (fairly) hot rumor, though, by that I mean substantiated at least. Oh well, guess we'll have to wait a few more days.

younkin

Dec 13, 2008, 01:28 PM

younkin

Dec 13, 2008, 01:34 PM

Do you ever run any bittorrent clients on these machines? Transmission is known to cause complete crashes of leopard, even if transmission isn't running at the time but had been launched sometime since the last restart.

Do not use Transmission here.

maclancer

Dec 13, 2008, 01:35 PM

You're lucky. I have a list of problems as long as my arm for all our PPC machines.

It could be problems related to PPC, because my intel Core Duo 2
iMac does not have any issue and works pretty good and fast.

Fuddyduddy

Dec 13, 2008, 01:49 PM

Just sitting here patiently for the new update. :D

younkin

Dec 13, 2008, 01:50 PM

I'm curious - what PPC machines are you running it on?

Now running on QS 933s and PB 1.25s. Problems are the worst on the oldest stuff, which is to be expected, I suppose.

Seriously, the entire 10.5 experience for us has been terrible. We have one XP box left that we keep up-to-date ...quite old. It's starting to get used more and more. Our main reason for staying with Apple has been increased productivity using OS X. We are spending way too much time trying to recover from application and system crashes, hangs, etc. We still haven't lost any work, but that is simply due to a good backup system.

We have a room full of old Macs, all the way back to the 128, and we never had problems with any of them like we are having with 10.5. I say just "10.5" as no version of it has even been close to the stability of other versions of OS X ...perhaps better than the first version of OS X ...too long ago to remember now.

I have a question for all of you who have time to stayed tuned in to what Apple is up to: Is Snow Leopard going to be an "Intel only" system, or are they going to allow the old PPC machines one more chance?

Anyone know? We have a budget to figure, and right now there is certainly no room for new hardware, although perhaps used if the prices were right.

PowerFullMac

Dec 13, 2008, 01:52 PM

Snow Leopard will be Intel only.

younkin

Dec 13, 2008, 01:53 PM

Snow Leopard will be Intel only.

Thanks. We were afraid of that. Perhaps it's a good time to dump our PPC machines, as they will certainly drop in value once SL is released.

AidenShaw

Dec 13, 2008, 02:26 PM

Now I can't update becuase i'll be traveling. Oh well:(

Why would you even think of applying a major OS update right before going away on a trip?

With each update, a small percentage of users do report some major problems. Why take the chance that you might be in that small percentage?

Tosser

Dec 13, 2008, 02:34 PM

As long as Apple doesn't seem to be able to solve the **** Airport problems I won't say that Leopard is rock-solid.

No, or that I personally haven't even been able to run Safari for more than 3-6 minutes before it shuts down since two security updates ago, or that some update screwed up my battery, I wouldn't exactly call it "rock solid" either.

BRLawyer

Dec 13, 2008, 02:41 PM

Exactly. You have those issues, not everyone else.

I've never had to force quit Mail. Try resetting Safari.

Ditto for me. I've NEVER had any issues with Mail or Safari; in fact, I've never seen Mail crash on me...EVER.

AidenShaw

Dec 13, 2008, 03:15 PM

Ditto for me. I've NEVER had any issues with Mail or Safari; in fact, I've never seen Mail crash on me...EVER.

But, Mr. Lawyer, you obviously live a charmed life.

In the real world, though, some people do have problems with their Apples. Most don't, but a percentage of users do. (Actually, it's probably safer to say that most Apple users have some problems, but for any particular problem only a small percentage see it.)

Comments of the nature "works perfectly for me" don't add to the dialogue....

BRLawyer

Dec 13, 2008, 04:07 PM

But, Mr. Lawyer, you obviously live a charmed life.

In the real world, though, some people do have problems with their Apples. Most don't, but a percentage of users do. (Actually, it's probably safer to say that most Apple users have some problems, but for any particular problem only a small percentage see it.)

Comments of the nature "works perfectly for me" don't add to the dialogue....

Perpetually-biased negative comments like yours don't add anything either, Mr. Shaw (or is it Enderle?). If I have no problems with Mail or Safari, I am entitled to talk about this fact. Indeed, 10.5.5 has worked flawlessly on my iMac, and I have ZERO bugs to report with a daily usage that involves MS Office, Time Machine, 4 peripherals connected to it, video encoding apps, top games and other assorted software.

You have little to no objective knowledge about Macs, so I understand the difficulty that you have in accepting the superior experience that we enjoy. I have recently shown at least 5 direct friends and work colleagues to the Apple world, and they all tell me they don't even THINK about having a PC again with their horror stories of inferior performance, ugly design, viruses, bloatware, reinstalls and constant crashes. THIS is a fact of our seemingly "charmed" lives. As for me, it's simply evidence of my excellent experience with Apple computers since 1995.

Once more, people may face issues with their specific setups...but don't come and tell me they represent the majority or even a sizeable portion of users.

The happy ones are normally silent, so I think it's only fair to show new users and wannabe switchers that life is good out there. In any case, you're welcome to provide us with amusing Apple Death Knell stories...they are always funny.

Eric S.

Dec 13, 2008, 04:47 PM

Now running on QS 933s and PB 1.25s. Problems are the worst on the oldest stuff, which is to be expected, I suppose.

Seriously, the entire 10.5 experience for us has been terrible. ...

I guess it just depends on what applications you run. I have Leopard on my G4 Sawtooth, which has been only minimally upgraded: Sonnet 1.0 GHz CPU upgrade, 1.3 GB RAM, Radeon 9800 Pro, SATA drive. I find that performance is comparable to Tiger (I don't stress it too much), and I never see the panics that I saw occasionally with Tiger. I've been using Leopard since 10.5.2 and the only thing I miss is Classic.

Sysbase

Dec 13, 2008, 05:06 PM

I guess it just depends on what applications you run. I have Leopard on my G4 Sawtooth, which has been only minimally upgraded: Sonnet 1.0 GHz CPU upgrade, 1.3 GB RAM, Radeon 9800 Pro, SATA drive. I find that performance is comparable to Tiger (I don't stress it too much), and I never see the panics that I saw occasionally with Tiger. I've been using Leopard since 10.5.2 and the only thing I miss is Classic.

Yeah Classic would be nice. I miss the GUIhttp://wii2youonline.com/img/1506/x08m1210qlxs/sad.gif

maclancer

Dec 13, 2008, 05:43 PM

Ditto for me. I've NEVER had any issues with Mail or Safari; in fact, I've never seen Mail crash on me...EVER.

Another happy Leopard user in here!!! :D

Timur

Dec 13, 2008, 06:00 PM

Support told me today that 10.5.6 is due to be released soon and that I should wait and see wether it fixes the freeze-up issues I experienced with an ExpressCard on my late 2008 MBP (sounded a bit like a shot into the blue though).

batitombo

Dec 13, 2008, 06:41 PM

HMMMM, hope they don't **** up nvidia drivers like they did on 10.5.3, 10.5.4 which playing WoW was a big problem

InkMaster

Dec 13, 2008, 10:34 PM

Ditto for me. I've NEVER had any issues with Mail or Safari; in fact, I've never seen Mail crash on me...EVER.

Safari is 100% stable for me, but Mail... well, that freezes every time I try quitting it... Few IMAP accounts in it.

rhett7660

Dec 13, 2008, 11:10 PM

Safari is 100% stable for me, but Mail... well, that freezes every time I try quitting it... Few IMAP accounts in it.

I use the http plug in which I think causes alot of the problems also with mail. I have since moved away from my msn account. I still check it to look for emails from people I have forgotten to send the notice of new email address to. But for the most part I have a pretty stable OS. I haven't had any problem with it in a very looooong time.

j-a-x

Dec 13, 2008, 11:25 PM

I wonder if this release might include a final build of Safari 4.0...

BRLawyer

Dec 14, 2008, 06:20 AM

You do realise that reading you probably makes a lot of MacRumors readers want to throw up all over their Macs, right? I know I feel queasy.

Apple aren't perfect, neither is OSX. Every single time somebody says anything remotely negative you're all "but MY Macs turn water into wine, and lead into gold". Right, very good. Nobody cares.

Well, if you feel like throwing up on your Macs, maybe it's time to buy a PC and enjoy a "world without walls" again. Nobody cares about your "balanced" opinion either.

I never said OS X was bug-free, I said the experience was pretty much flawless FOR ME. So if I don't have problems with Safari, Mail, TM or Airport, why do I have to invent them? Just to give you the impression that Macs are full of problems as well, or in order to pretend that Mac fanboys have no reason to exist? NO.

PCs sucked for me and continue to suck at work. OTOH, Macs just work, even if I've had need for maintenance with past machines and systems, just like anyone else. I am talking here about my CURRENT experience with my iMac and Leopard, which is virtually perfect.

If yours is not, go check your setup, your add-ons, your plug-ins...and don't forget to repair permissions as well. But don't try to block MY positive opinion of the best OS on Earth.

My 5 other colleagues who have just switched could not be happier, by the way; most probably because they KNOW the difference between their old world and the new one...and also because they don't necessarily have to accept the glib negativistic views of people like you on MR. Problems exist? Yes. But people happy with their Macs do, too. So don't try to shut our positive opinions here.

coelicolor

Dec 14, 2008, 06:56 AM

i have been waiting for it. leopard works well on my PPC. but there are stills many problems needed to be resolved and/or improved. the safari and mail apps bother me a lot. hope the update can give me some good news.:):cool:

bwshockley

Dec 14, 2008, 10:43 AM

I would also like to chime in with my experience, as it seems that I hardly ever see anyone writing about good things.

I am on an early 2007 MacBook Pro, I upgraded to Leopard within a week of it's release. I've had a few hiccups, but never anything major. Airport works well, I have an Airport Extreme as my wireless hub. I don't have any issues with it, and I used to have ichat running all night, sometimes for 12 hours at a time, without interuption. I don't have any special features or plugins etc installed. TimeMachine works for me now, at first I had issues because I have a USB HDD attached to the AP Extreme and had it setup incorrectly. But, once I figured out what I was doing, it's worked ever since. I run firefox, which works well. I've run Safari, and never noticed an issue, but I don't run it much. I use Office, Photoshop, Lightroom, Itunes and Firefox mostly. Do I have crashes? Yes, but I don't remember with what or when...which means they are so infrequent and not with anything specific. So, I'd say I have maybe 10% of the issues with my Mac that I do with the Windows PC I have at work.

My biggest issue is I have a dead battery, with only 129 cycles. It's a hardware issue, not software.

All that aside, I'm much happier with my Mac than I was with a Windows PC. It's simple, clean, and does exactly what I want. I have used Windows back to 3.11, I used to work as a Tech Support for the library computers (both public and the librarians personal PCs) of a large university, I've build numerous computers myself, installed Windows of all variations, Many different Linux packages, BeOS 4 and 5 and a couple other runt OSes here and there. I just like my Mac and want people reading to know, that not everyone has the issues many people complain about in here. And to those who are complaining...why don't you use a different OS? Go back to Tiger. Go to Windows, Linux, whatever. I know you spent the money on the OS...I'm sorry for that. I don't know what you can do about that, maybe sell your license to someone else.

A very happy Leopard and Mac user in general.

Horst

Dec 14, 2008, 11:29 AM

Well, if you feel like throwing up on your
I never said OS X was bug-free, I said the experience was pretty much flawless FOR ME.

Same here, enjoying Mac OS for many years; I love OSX, hate Windows with a vengeance.

However, be advised , Mail and Safari do crash for many users, not just a few.
Safari has several bugs, Leopard is not perfect, and fairly bloated.
Compared to Tiger, I find network and printer setup in Leo more difficult, and at times buggy, same with the finder.

If you are a professional user with a heavy workload and complex workflows, you do have to make ajustments and acquire some basic computer knowledge to have things running flawlessly .

The ease of use, so pleasant most of the time, comes at the expense of lacking customizabilty in some cases, for silly gadgets like dashboard and the horrid search.

Also, the majority of PC users, Mac or Windows, wouldn't recognice issues even if their machine spat on them.

elppa

Dec 14, 2008, 12:54 PM

The ease of use, so pleasant most of the time, comes at the expense of lacking customizabilty in some cases, for silly gadgets like dashboard and the horrid search.

What's wrong with spotlight?

It's the best search I've seen on a consumer OS.

weckart

Dec 14, 2008, 01:08 PM

What's wrong with spotlight?

It's the best search I've seen on a consumer OS.

It could be improved. There should be an easier way to turn off indexing without having to faff around dragging icons around in SysPrefs. It is still too resource heavy - the stupid mdworker process sending temperatures soaring and fans into overdrive.

I could live with slower indexing if it went about its business with more consideration for the user rather than stomping around as it does now.

younkin

Dec 14, 2008, 01:30 PM

Yeah Classic would be nice. I miss the GUIhttp://wii2youonline.com/img/1506/x08m1210qlxs/sad.gif

I've kept one of our old SE/30 machines running just to play with the old OS. That thing still seems like a horse. It's packed with as much RAM as it can take and has the old color card with greyscale adapter in it. Very cool. To this day it's still the most "personal" personal computer I've ever used.

We even have one Plus we keep up for little kids to use with some of the old dorky games. Little kids love it.

Riemann Zeta

Dec 14, 2008, 02:00 PM

I haven't had any particular problems with 10.5.5, but I certainly would like better graphics drivers. The NVIDIA Direct3D HAL on Win NT 6-type OSs (Vista, 2008, 7) seems to blow Apple's OpenGL implementation out of the water.

As for Spotlight, I personally don't use it that often. The same goes for the indexed Windows Search in Vista. I could probably do without search indexing on any OS and have fewer background processes eating up RAM/CPU, but I have a modern machine, so I figure what the hell.

And I do think 10.6 will have its quirks when first released--all initial RTM releases do. The biggest issue with probably be related to the 64bit-only nature of 10.6--some older programs and kernel extensions will have hiccups.

Stridder44

Dec 14, 2008, 04:09 PM

I wonder if this release might include a final build of Safari 4.0...

That'll be saved for Snow Leopard I'm sure.

It could be improved. There should be an easier way to turn off indexing without having to faff around dragging icons around in SysPrefs. It is still too resource heavy - the stupid mdworker process sending temperatures soaring and fans into overdrive.

I could live with slower indexing if it went about its business with more consideration for the user rather than stomping around as it does now.

What pisses me off most about the "new" Spotlight in Leopard was that they took away the way results were showed. Previously when clicking "show all" it listed EVERYTHING (preference files, etc.) and categorized it. Now when you click "show all" it just gives you a damned Finder windows with all the results thrown together, but doesn't list certain files because the user might accidently delete them or something.

Ugh. Leopard has been such a love/hate relationship for me. FIX THE DAMN AIRPORT PROBLEMS APPLE!!

elppa

Dec 14, 2008, 04:34 PM

It could be improved. There should be an easier way to turn off indexing without having to faff around dragging icons around in SysPrefs. It is still too resource heavy - the stupid mdworker process sending temperatures soaring and fans into overdrive.

Two very good criticisms which need addressing. Having said that mdworker seems to run rarely for me, normally only if I plug in a drive with lots of unindexed content.

What pisses me off most about the "new" Spotlight in Leopard was that they took away the way results were showed. Previously when clicking "show all" it listed EVERYTHING (preference files, etc.) and categorized it. Now when you click "show all" it just gives you a damned Finder windows with all the results thrown together, but doesn't list certain files because the user might accidently delete them or something.

Agreed, I also preferred the Tiger method and thought it was easier for new and experienced users alike.

This is the UI on top of spotlight technology (which is a system wide search/metadata search tool). The core technology is just as good as Tiger, arguably better, because it is both faster at retrieving results and you can search network drives.

alexbates

Dec 14, 2008, 08:43 PM

Solemony

Dec 14, 2008, 09:18 PM

Well I do hope it'll release either before Christmas or before New Year.

Stridder44

Dec 14, 2008, 09:37 PM

Please Apple, release it tommorrow! All I want fixed is the airport problem where it takes about half a minute to connect to the router when you wake the computer up from sleep. I didn't have any problem with this when I first got Leopard or when I had Tiger. I am still waiting for the airport to connect as fast as my iPod Touch.

Is this the same problem that people are talking about when they say "Aiport Problem"?

No, because yours actually stays connected and works properly. Mine randomly drops and even when it is connected is slow. Mind you this isn't consistent; sometimes it works fine, then 5 minutes later it goes to hell again. And again, I've tried different routers/settings, etc. And what do you know, it always works perfectly in Vista 64.

bplein

Dec 15, 2008, 12:46 AM

No, because yours actually stays connected and works properly. Mine randomly drops and even when it is connected is slow. Mind you this isn't consistent; sometimes it works fine, then 5 minutes later it goes to hell again. And again, I've tried different routers/settings, etc. And what do you know, it always works perfectly in Vista 64.

I wonder what the difference is between your wireless and the wireless on my two MBPs of different generations and the other MacBooks we have. All of them work flawlessly in wireless at multiple locations (work, home, other homes, etc.)

I know others are complaining of this as well, I'm not questioning your setup. It's obviously at least in part software (as you proved by loading up Vista), but I haven't seen a MBP affected by it, and I know several users. Doesn't make sense...

xbjllb

Dec 15, 2008, 03:51 AM

It could be improved. It is still too resource heavy - the stupid mdworker process sending temperatures soaring and fans into overdrive.

I could live with slower indexing if it went about its business with more consideration for the user rather than stomping around as it does now.

Thank God for Spotless and Easyfind.

And probably Snow Leopard, with Apple's grudging on-off switch for Spotlight and off-on switch for the original apple Find.

:apple:

motulist

Dec 15, 2008, 05:44 AM

Thank God for Spotless and Easyfind.

I like spotlight a lot, but there are a couple of areas where it is completely useless (which is the way they designed it on purpose), so I definitely second the notion of using EasyFind for those tasks that spotlight is useless for.

http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/freeware

beestigbeestje

Dec 15, 2008, 07:37 AM

Hope I can finally make the switch to leopard for my audio apps and recordings.
I've had nothing but trouble recording in leopard, using an agregate device.
Hope they Fixed it!

grtz

wrldwzrd89

Dec 15, 2008, 08:27 AM

I have a hunch that Apple will release it on Tuesday. Isn't Tuesday the day Apple normally releases Mac OS X updates? I'm also guessing they'll push it out to Software Update by 10:00 AM Pacific Time, since that seems to be the normal time for Apple releases.

Zimmy68

Dec 15, 2008, 08:39 AM

Is it just me or have MacRumors and AppleInsider hit a slump lately?

First was the "iTunes to ditch DRM tomorrow" fastball to the beauty in this topic.

Either Apple is purposely misdirecting info or the sites have to shore up their sources.

Eric S.

Dec 15, 2008, 10:50 AM

I have a hunch that Apple will release it on Tuesday. Isn't Tuesday the day Apple normally releases Mac OS X updates?

That's just a myth. There have been more updates released on Monday (10) and on Wednesday (11) than on Tuesday (9).

Riemann Zeta

Dec 15, 2008, 10:57 AM

Looks like nothing today. Perhaps tomorrow or (maybe) Wednesday...after that, I guess the first week of 2009.

BWhaler

Dec 15, 2008, 11:14 AM

I just want Apple to take their time and get things right.

As an owner of a new MBP, I suffer the wireless issues. I hope Apple takes their time and gets this fixed since it is taking a lot of the joy out of owning this product.

BWhaler

Dec 15, 2008, 11:15 AM

nick9191

Dec 15, 2008, 11:21 AM

Its out people :)

arkitect

Dec 15, 2008, 11:24 AM

Its out people :)

Indeed it is… all 190MB of it.

Eric S.

Dec 15, 2008, 11:26 AM

Yup. Just showed up in Software Update.

Biolizard

Dec 15, 2008, 11:31 AM

Nice. 190MB on my Early 08 blackbook too. Kinda makes sense really. You don't want to release on Friday, everyone goes home for the weekend and oh, damn, there's a show-stopping bug in there.

SchneiderMan

Dec 15, 2008, 11:35 AM

and 377mb for the macbook pro (:

G4DP

Dec 15, 2008, 11:35 AM

ayeying

Dec 15, 2008, 11:39 AM

377MB also for the Aluminum MacBook 2.4

leandromp

Dec 15, 2008, 11:41 AM

i just updated my macbook pro.

is there something new?

Peace

Dec 15, 2008, 11:42 AM

Guess that will teach folks not to put a specific date on an update eh ? ;)

proc

Dec 15, 2008, 11:44 AM

This is a known issue. I have it too--as do thousands on the Apple Boards--so I think we just have to wait for a patch.

I do hope Apple actually fixes this issue this time around. It makes wireless networking unreliable and hence reduces the value of a wireless Leopard setup.

crazyxzer0

Dec 15, 2008, 11:45 AM

downloading as we speak right now 377mb.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3194

wrldwzrd89

Dec 15, 2008, 11:46 AM

Updated successfully, 190MB here on an Intel iMac. Don't notice much of anything different.

trucrypt

Dec 15, 2008, 11:49 AM

Updated, 190MB.

I see a new "Trackpad" prefpane in System Preferences but there doesn't seem to be a "four-finger swipe" option available for my early 2008 MBP.

rhett7660

Dec 15, 2008, 11:50 AM

downloading as we speak right now 377mb.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3194

I wonder what the difference is between the 377 and 190 file sizes? Why the difference?

okrelayer

Dec 15, 2008, 11:55 AM

Peace

Dec 15, 2008, 11:56 AM

Eric S.

Dec 15, 2008, 12:16 PM

From the size of it, i'll hazard a guess and say this is the last major update to Leopard we'll see. Any release between now and Snow Leopard will be security updates and minor point increases to iTunes etc.

Snow Leopard is six months away. I predict we're at least at 10.5.8 by then.

duncyboy

Dec 15, 2008, 01:47 PM

377MB for me

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3418/picture1up4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Solemony

Dec 15, 2008, 03:16 PM

Woohoo...It's here now :)!

CoolMe

Dec 15, 2008, 04:08 PM

It popped out of no where, I forgot about the talk of this update, Yeah mine was the big 300mb+ one too!

Akira1980

Dec 15, 2008, 04:32 PM

It seems like my safari runs a lot faster now. So far so good.

overanalyzer

Dec 15, 2008, 05:55 PM

Downloading as i type this. From the size of it, i'll hazard a guess and say this is the last major update to Leopard we'll see. Any release between now and Snow Leopard will be security updates and minor point increases to iTunes etc.

I might risk updating Safari after .6 is installed.

377? Cricky. Hope you've got a broadband connection.

I think we'll get at least another 2-3 point updates (i.e. 10.5.7, 10.5.8, 10.5.9) before Snow Leopard is released, and probably one thereafter as a final closeout to Leopard, ala 10.4.11.

Habakuk

Dec 15, 2008, 06:54 PM

What's wrong with spotlight?
It's the best search I've seen on a consumer OS.

I use it very often too. It's always here with just (easy to remember) Command+Space (I love that term). You can calculate with it.

Example: There is a price change of an iPhone app that I own. When I want to know what I've paid for it weeks or months ago I just type in spotlight the app's name and within a tick it will show me the email with Apple's invoice of that date. Ingeniously!

VSMacOne

Dec 15, 2008, 10:19 PM

Just ran the update... My Safari version is now Version 3.2.1 (5525.27.1). Was this automatically updated?

smartalic34

Dec 15, 2008, 10:59 PM

Just ran the update... My Safari version is now Version 3.2.1 (5525.27.1). Was this automatically updated?

this was my version before the update...

JMP

Dec 15, 2008, 11:09 PM

Oui.

Indeed ;)

Illuminated

Dec 16, 2008, 06:41 AM

This update didn't fix my damn wifi problem. It still fluctuates between 2 and 5 bars.

Ugh...this is the only reason I HATE my Macbook...

Poncho

Dec 16, 2008, 07:14 AM

I was hoping for a fix with my Macbook too. But no. 12Mb down via ethernet, less than 1Mb wireless, yet my Emac gets 10Mb down from the same router wirelessly.

C8XY

Dec 16, 2008, 11:57 AM

Alu iMac 2008 = 190MB
Alu Macbook 2008 = 377MB

:confused:

smartalic34

Dec 16, 2008, 05:54 PM

Alu iMac 2008 = 190MB
Alu Macbook 2008 = 377MB

:confused:

the pattern usually shows that the newest macs have the largest updates... ever since my core duo MBP became the non-newest machine, I always get the smaller updates in software update...

kaiwai

Dec 17, 2008, 11:30 AM

i have a peice of software in my update that i do not want to be updated because of issues i hear are with the newest update. Can i choose not to update it?

like if i have two items in my list, can i uncheck one

[x] software update
[x] aperture update
[x] safari update

can i uncheck one of those, and do the software update and have it not effect the unchecked item? Meaning install the software update, but leave aperture or whatever un-touched?

What 'issues' have you heard about? you mean those people who install third party hacks which rely on unsupported, undocumented API calls? if you run vanilla Safari without any addons that use undocumented features - you won't have a problem.

Running Safari 3.2.1 without a single problem; it has gone from strength to strength (remember to update your plugins like Flash btw). Safari 4.0 will be interesting given the new Javascript engine that is planned.

Tosser

Dec 17, 2008, 12:11 PM

Speaking of safari updates: Safari doesn't crash for me within ten-thirty seconds of opening as it did all through 10.5.5.

Quillz

Dec 17, 2008, 12:14 PM

Alu iMac 2008 = 190MB
Alu Macbook 2008 = 377MB

:confused:
Not every single computer will need exactly the same updates. You might say that 10.5.6 is 190 MB in size, while the 377 MB is the "combo update." That is, it includes 10.5.6 and any additional firmware, EFI or hardware updates necessary to run .6.

Quillz

Dec 17, 2008, 12:15 PM

Just ran the update... My Safari version is now Version 3.2.1 (5525.27.1). Was this automatically updated?
I would imagine it was if you didn't already grab the Safari update from Software Update a while ago. It sounds like you got the combo update, which probably requires 3.2.1 to run 10.5.6.

Eric S.

Dec 17, 2008, 12:28 PM

Not every single computer will need exactly the same updates. You might say that 10.5.6 is 190 MB in size, while the 377 MB is the "combo update." That is, it includes 10.5.6 and any additional firmware, EFI or hardware updates necessary to run .6.

377MB was not the combo update; that was the standard update for the aluminum Macbooks, like mine that I just got a week before with 10.5.5 and all the latest firmware updates already installed. The combo update was about 688 MB. I chose to use the combo update after reading about various problems and it worked fine for me.

Zimmy68

Dec 18, 2008, 08:01 AM

My late model 2008 MBP still has the shutoff issue even after the firmware and OS update.
:(

Eric S.

Dec 18, 2008, 10:22 AM

My late model 2008 MBP still has the shutoff issue even after the firmware and OS update.
:(

What is the shutoff issue?

Zimmy68

Dec 19, 2008, 08:00 AM

What is the shutoff issue?

About every 5th time I try to shut down, the top menu bar disappears and it says Finder won't quit.

I can restart Finder but it just says the same thing.

I am forced to shut down by holding down the power button.

I have seen a bunch of posts about others with this issue but never a solution.

kaiwai

Dec 20, 2008, 03:08 AM

About every 5th time I try to shut down, the top menu bar disappears and it says Finder won't quit.

I can restart Finder but it just says the same thing.

I am forced to shut down by holding down the power button.

I have seen a bunch of posts about others with this issue but never a solution.

Have you done a clean install of Mac OS X + Combo update of 10.5.6 + Software updates with *NO* addon's, tweakers, modifiers etc?