Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday?

[MacRumors]

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Apple has seeded yet another build of Mac OS X 10.5.6 (9G55) to developers. This latest seed reveals (http://www.hmbt.org/blog/2008/12/10/adc-beta-mac-os-x-1056-build-9g55-seed-note/) no known issues and has addressed a few outstanding issues.

Beyond this, we have heard that Apple has started distributing this particular seed internally outside of the usual developer circles. This would indicate that this is the final version of Mac OS X 10.5.6 before public release. We had also heard unconfirmed whispers that the new version would be made available to the public on Friday, and this new information certainly makes that plausible.

Mac OS X 10.5.6 should be a free update available to all Mac OS X 10.5 customers upon its release.

Article Link: Mac OS X 10.5.6 Release Imminent... Friday? (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/11/mac-os-x-10-5-6-release-imminent-friday/)

[Kilamite]

More stability is welcome.

Looking forward to the MobileMe improvements too!

[Tallest Skil]

Mac OS X 10.5.6 should be a free update available to all Mac OS X 10.5 customers upon its release.

Key word: Should. :p

Unless Steve has had an aneurism, it'll be free. This is good news, but 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

[alexbates]

Stability is one thing I definitely need. Any other ideas of what could be new compared to 5.5?

[moniquetx]

I'm saying it's coming out later today. After 6 PM PST :)

[swb1192]

Stability is one thing I definitely need. Any other ideas of what could be new compared to 5.5?

I know, I'm trying to think what else they could come up with for the 10.5.6 upgrade, because there isn't much else to do between now and Snow Leopard.

[pimentoLoaf]

.... This is good news, but 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

[greenbreadmmm]

blu-ray support?

[GekkePrutser]

Is there a changelog from 10.5.5 to 10.5.6 available somewhere? I'm definitely going to install it anyway but it would be good to know what I can look forward to :)

[alexbates]

I'm saying it's coming out later today. After 6 PM PST :)

I hope it comes out today. Whenever it does come out, we should have a better idea of when Snow Leopard Will come out (based on an estimate).

[capoeirista]

10.5.5 has been very stable for me. No problems at all (touch wood). I wonder what improvements this is going to bring...?

[maclancer]

10.5.5 is working pretty stable and fast in my iMac, but updates are always welcome!!! :D

[alexbates]

blu-ray support?

I don't think so. Probably Not until 10.6.

[maclancer]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

lol Black and White OS :eek:

[11800506]

I'm saying it's coming out later today. After 6 PM PST :)

I really doubt Apple would release an update that late. Tomorrow seems the most likely.

[maclancer]

I don't think so. Probably Not until 10.6.

I agree, I don't think we will see Blu-Ray drives until 10.6 is released, but maybe Apple release a future update with Blu-Ray support in Leopard.

[Zimmy68]

blu-ray support?

Come on!

What do you think this is, 2007?

[Sky Blue]

nah, Monday/Tuesday.

[alexbates]

I really doubt Apple would release an update that late. Tomorrow seems the most likely.

I don't know, Apple has released many updates in the past late at night. I remember that iPhone 2.2 was that way, but I'm not sure though.

[Stridder44]

Oh God PLEASE let them finally fix this stupid airport dropout/slow connection problem. It's only in Leopard (post 10.5.2 I want to say). I've tried all kinds of routers, settings, etc. Wifi work fine under Vista 64. Come on Apple.

[cRuNcHiE]

Areas of Change

- Resolved issue with Automatic bookmark syncing and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with Sync Services and slow sync prompt
- Fixed issue with DVI and display detection
- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved
- Fixed issue with MobileMe pref pane and periodic syncing
- Fixed issue with printing a PDF file from Mail.app
- Resolved issue with LaunchServices and downloading playlists
- Resolved problem with Sync Services and calendar syncing
Issues fixed in previous seeds:
- Resolved issue with FileSync and FileSyncAgent
- Fixed issue with syslog and duplicate message suppression
- Fixed multitouch issue with Finder
- Resolved issue with USB disconnect warning dialog
- Fixed issue with notified syncs and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with System Preferences and MobileMe sync tab
- Issue with KeychainAccess and prompting of passwords resolved
- AFP Server no longer caches FPGetSessionToken
- AFP Server now turns off replay cache for non replay clients
- AFP Client now advertises that it supports Replay cache
- Bluetooth and USB in closed lid mode compatibility fix
- FileSyncAgent syncing fix
- HTTP basic authentication with long URL containing username/password fix
- iCalExternalSync - you can now change the record identifier to RootNode
- Misc localization fixes
- Buenos Aires (Argentina) Local Time One Hour time change fix
- Fixed issue with CFNetwork and Content-Disposition file names
- Addressed issue with CoreTypes and certain zip file contents
- Fixed problem with USB OTG Disks and Mass Storage
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and idle sleep
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and curfew login
- Fixed issue with iDisk Syncing
- Fixed Calculator issue with Swiss German
- Fixed network server file copying issue
- Addressed issue with AudioQueue and CoreAudio
- Fix to Network Authorization UI
- Fixed issue with AirPort Drivers and “off” setting
- Issue with decoding GIF images and CoreGraphics resolved
- Fixed issue with Mail and authentication of inactive accounts
- Resolved issue with iCal Search and text search
- Fixed issue with iCal Alarms not firing in certain situations
- Problem with Quick Look and CoreGraphics resolved
- Issue with iChat setup assistant fixed
- Fixed issue with firewall configs being reset after upgrading
- Resolved issues with CFURLCookies
- Address books syncing fixes
- AFP server login fixes
- Graphic drivers performance fixes
- New iCal Events and AppleScript applet fix
- Safari and cookies compatibility fixes
- Core Audio and AU component version mismatch fix
- Multiple instances of MatrixReverb in separate threads fix
- Core Audio compressor threshold fix
- Switching default audio device’s output stream is now immediate
- More channels for Core Audio 3D mixer
- Programmatically created (public) aggregate device now plays correctly
- Audio Channel Layouts and Unique ID fix
- Changing the composition of an aggregate device audio dropout fix
- kAudioSubDevicePropertyDriftCompensation property can now be set on an aggregate device
- Renaming aggregate devices now propagate device name changes to all applications
- AudioFileOpenURL memory management fix
- CoreAudio AudioFileWritePackets file creation fix
- audioqueue compatibility fixes
- audio file stream compatibility fixes
- ExtAudioFileCreateNew memory management fix
- ADTS files now supports kAudioFilePropertyPacketSizeUpperBound
- Core Audio performance fixes
- CGDisplayBaseAddress and 64bit binaries compatibility fix
- Command-H and applications hiding fix
- FSCatalogSearch() on 64 bit binary app now returns correct results
- iCalExternalSync floating events and stability fixes
- iCal can now identify VTIMEZONE with a simple offset and no transition dates
- Setting iChat setting to “invisible” via AppleScript now keeps you logged in
- Embed ColorSync Profile” in Image Capture no longer leaves invisible file behind
- Image Capture Architecture performance fixes
- Show(Hide)Window() without Window menu memory management fixes
- Linked binary with NFS shares fix
- Keychain Access: Change Password now works for smart cards
- AppleScript/Keychain Scripting now saves passwords as UTF-8
- pthread operation support fixes
- Access times on FAT32 formatted USB external drive performance fix
- Fixed issue with large file (4gb+) writes to LINUX nfs server when initiated from finder
- NFS export and hostname resolution at startup fix
- copying from a framebuffer object to a texture via glCopyTexSubImage2D fix
- GL_ARB_occlusion_query now works with multiple in-flight queries
- Dealloc method of Cocoa PDE is now called when Print dialog is closed
- Two-Sided Checkbox now follows PPD UIConstraints
- Carbon Printing sheets and window flickering issue fix
- ‘Collated’ can now be set as default in print dialog
- Print sheet now honors first page/last page settings
- PDFView now works with undoManager when its document is set
- Paper sizes and some PPDs compatibility fixes
- AERecord-to-NSDictionary translation now handles ‘usrf’ fields.
- Support for serial smart card readers in pcscd
- SyncServer performance fix
- AppKit recognition of xml-format webarchives
- Latest time zone changes for Brazil, Europe, Argentina, etc
- Uploading of files to more than one webDAV volume at the same time fix
- X11 application gnubg segmentation fix

[Tallest Skil]

Areas of Change

You're either making this up or are breaking your NDA.

[cRuNcHiE]

You're either making this up or are breaking your NDA.

I just googled the 10.5.6 and the build number and that came up, hardly rocket science

[alexbates]

Oh God PLEASE let them finally fix this stupid airport dropout/slow connection problem. It's only in Leopard (post 10.5.2 I want to say). I've tried all kinds of routers, settings, etc. Wifi work fine under Vista 64. Come on Apple.

Thank you! I thought it was just me having this problem. If anything else, this is also the one and only thing I want fixed.

[JavaWizKid]

4 finger gestures for old MBPs would be nice.

[milo]

I bet I don't notice a difference.

So where's Logic 8.0.3? Bugfixes and better stability are DESPERATELY needed.

[Soat]

lol Black and White OS :eek:

Pah! System 7 had full color, and Prince of Persia on the Games Demos disc looked awesome. :p

7.1 > 7.5.5 :apple:

[rhett7660]

Bring it on... I hope it does come out tomorrow. Today would be nice but hey, tomorrow is a few hours away.

:)

[twoodcc]

sounds good to me. looking forward to this for sure. hopefully mobileme sycing improves, as well as overall system stability

[milo]

I know, I'm trying to think what else they could come up with for the 10.5.6 upgrade, because there isn't much else to do between now and Snow Leopard.

At this point any further .x.x updates are just bugfixes, with the occasional additions of things like compatibility with new file formats.

[Axemantitan]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

My first Mac was a Performa 630CD running System 7.5.0. System 7.5.5 was a welcome improvement over the constant crashes and having to manually hold open titlebar menus!

[morespce54]

...Looking forward to the MobileMe improvements too!

Who doesn't? ;)

[spriter]

Areas of Change
- Fixed issue with DVI and display detection


This (fingers crossed).

The reason I reverted to 10.5.4 - because 10.5.5 screwed up quite a few MacBook owner's external displays - as in they didn't work at all anymore.

Who'd have thought a attaching an ACD to my MacBook when it runs 10.5.5 gives nothing but a black screen. 10.5-10.5.4 are fine though, as is XP and Vista, so it was not a hardware issue as I feared.

Looks like they got a lot of things fixed :)

[SydneyDev]

They spent so long testing this one. Perhaps it is to be the last 10.5 update?

[dizastor]

4 finger gestures for old MBPs would be nice.

All PPC Macs get the 1 finger gesture in Snow Leopard.

[spriter]

They spent so long testing this one. Perhaps it is to be the last 10.5 update?

Nah, I don't see Snow Leopard until March/April - I think we'll go to 10.5.9 at least. 10.5.6 seems like a lot of fixes so 10.5.7 onwards may be smaller and more frequent.

[deannnnn]

The first time I read this I thought it said "Mac OS X 10.6 Release Imminent" and I was all set with my "YEAH RIGHT" comment. But yeah, nevermind.

[Eric S.]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

Youngster. My first Mac came with System 3. :)

[TwinCities Dan]

lol Black and White OS :eek:

Wasn't System 6 the last B/W OS?

[Shasterball]

blu-ray support?

I think that will be a Snow Leopard option..

[Mercellus]

All PPC Macs get the 1 finger gesture in Snow Leopard.
:D I see what you did there.

[maclancer]

Wasn't System 6 the last B/W OS?

I think so, someone already confirmed that System 7.5 had color :rolleyes:

[fleshman03]

Key word: Should. :p

Unless Steve has had an aneurism, it'll be free. This is good news, but 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

lol. That was funny.

You've used it? Any new features? That is, besides seeing the beach ball less. I'm not saying that is bad thing...

[wayland1985]

All PPC Macs get the 1 finger gesture in Snow Leopard.

LMAO!






I'm looking for some speed enhancements... Let's go safari!

[Eric S.]

Wasn't System 6 the last B/W OS?

System 6 had color, if your video card supported it.

[Tallest Skil]

lol. That was funny.

You've used it? Any new features? That is, besides seeing the beach ball less. I'm not saying that is bad thing...

No, no. 10.5.5 is what we have now. I wish I had developer seeds... :rolleyes:

[fleshman03]

The first time I read this I thought it said "Mac OS X 10.6 Release Imminent" and I was all set with my "YEAH RIGHT" comment. But yeah, nevermind.

It is imminent. Imminent sometime next year.

lol @ the 1 finger gesture. That's how I feel about not getting the 4 finger gesture.

[Stridder44]

Thank you! I thought it was just me having this problem. If anything else, this is also the one and only thing I want fixed.

From the Areas of Changes list:

- Fixed issue with AirPort Drivers and “off” setting

Looks like our hopes might come true. :D

[Papajohn56]

lol Black and White OS :eek:

OS 7 was Color.

[Surely]

C'mon Copy and Paste!


Oh wait, wrong OS......
:D


10.5.5 has been working very well. I just hope for a little more stability. Safari has been crashing a lot in the past couple of weeks :confused::confused:, even on simple, uncomplicated webpages.

[fleshman03]

No, no. 10.5.5 is what we have now. I wish I had developer seeds... :rolleyes:

Oh Duh. I should read the whole thing before replying. Too much coffee I guess Dev seeds would be sweet.

[richardsim7]

- Fixed issue with DVI and display detection

If this is true, and it fixes my flashing snow on my external display issue, I just might cry with happiness!! :D

-Rich-

[maclancer]

C'mon Copy and Paste!

10.5.5 has been working very well. I just hope for a little more stability. Safari has been crashing a lot in the past couple of weeks :confused::confused:, even on simple, uncomplicated webpages.

Do you have any weird plugin installed in Safari? I don't have any plugin installed and Safari never crash in my iMac.

[ltldrummerboy]

I hope this fixes my issue with using Quick Look on mounted disk images. It shows information but no icon. Other than that, 10.5.5 is as stable as an establishment where racehorses are kept and trained.

[wayland1985]

10.5.5 has been working very well. I just hope for a little more stability. Safari has been crashing a lot in the past couple of weeks :confused::confused:, even on simple, uncomplicated webpages.

Ah... so I'm not the only one. Ever since the safari update I've been having issues with speed, crashing... etc etc!

[Hawkeye411]

I just googled the 10.5.6 and the build number and that came up, hardly rocket science

Very cleaver!!
:D

[Surely]

Do you have any weird plugin installed in Safari? I don't have any plugin installed and Safari never crash in my iMac.

Nothing weird. Only Inquisitor and an ad-blocker.

[queshy]

Hopefully new gestures will be added to older multi-touch-trackpad notebooks. Stability is always a welcome improvement. I predict Friday it will be out.

[sighlent]

AFP server login fixes.... hopefully this addresses the lack of being able to really disconnect from an AFP server.

[/dev/toaster]

Hopefully, they will actually fix the damn Mail.app problems that have existed since developer seeds of Leopard. Its pretty ridiculous how unrealiable todo items are, everytime I add something I get a damn conflict. Its so annoying and Apple has done nothing but ignore it. There is also the issue of when it just stops getting new mail. I will go for an entire day not realizing it hasn't accepted any new mail in 12 hours. That is, until someone yells at me for not checking my mail.

10.5.5 has also decreased my FPS with WoW on my Mac Pro by a crap ton. Previously, I was getting over 80fps in shatt with 2 copies of WoW running. Now, if I am lucky I get 25fps.

10.5.5 also appears to have some memory leaks. After a few days my wired memory keeps creeping up and its never released. Even if I kill all applications and relog. This happens on both my Mac Pro and Macbook Pro.

10.5.5 has major problems with filevault. The performance is down right terrible.

[Ampidire]

Hopefully, they will actually fix the damn Mail.app problems that have existed since developer seeds of Leopard. Its pretty ridiculous how unrealiable todo items are, everytime I add something I get a damn conflict. Its so annoying and Apple has done nothing but ignore it. There is also the issue of when it just stops getting new mail. I will go for an entire day not realizing it hasn't accepted any new mail in 12 hours. That is, until someone yells at me for not checking my mail.

10.5.5 has also decreased my FPS with WoW on my Mac Pro by a crap ton. Previously, I was getting over 80fps in shatt with 2 copies of WoW running. Now, if I am lucky I get 25fps.

10.5.5 also appears to have some memory leaks. After a few days my wired memory keeps creeping up and its never released. Even if I kill all applications and relog. This happens on both my Mac Pro and Macbook Pro.

10.5.5 has major problems with filevault. The performance is down right terrible.

Did you upgrade to WotLK? You know the shadows that introduced really bogged down everyone's performance right? Try disabling/lowering those, see what happens.

[JG271]

Who votes this negative? Product support/enhancement, how terrible:rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm hoping that my wireless will work with the mini dvi-dvi adaptor after this...

[h.21]

You're either making this up or are breaking your NDA.

Why hello there, Captain Obvious

[lazyrighteye]

All PPC Macs get the 1 finger gesture in Snow Leopard.

FTW! :D

[Jupeman]

Youngster. My first Mac came with System 3. :)

I think mine was 2.0, but I used 1.0 Macs.

[alexbates]

4 finger gestures for old MBPs would be nice.

I have the old MBP too and wish this could happen, but it's not. The old MBP doesn't have a multi-touch trackpad, unlike the old MBA, which could have 4-finger gestures if Apple decided to come out with an update.

[Tallest Skil]

I have the old MBP too and wish this could happen, but it's not. The old MBP doesn't have a multi-touch trackpad, unlike the old MBA, which could have 4-finger gestures if Apple decided to come out with an update.

Yyyyeah, it does. How do you think we have three finger gestures and pinch to zoom?

[vicfalc09]

Do you think they could have bundled in the fixes for the RAM issues on the late 08' macbook and macbook pros, crossing my fingers they do so I could buy my 4GB kit already.

[RaceTripper]

It's not even out yet and I swear Safari is snappier in anticipation.

There, it's been said now. :rolleyes: :p

[Cloudmover]

Areas of Change


- Core Audio and AU component version mismatch fix
- Multiple instances of MatrixReverb in separate threads fix
- Core Audio compressor threshold fix
- Switching default audio device’s output stream is now immediate
- More channels for Core Audio 3D mixer
- Programmatically created (public) aggregate device now plays correctly
- Audio Channel Layouts and Unique ID fix
- Changing the composition of an aggregate device audio dropout fix
- kAudioSubDevicePropertyDriftCompensation property can now be set on an aggregate device
- Renaming aggregate devices now propagate device name changes to all applications
- AudioFileOpenURL memory management fix
- CoreAudio AudioFileWritePackets file creation fix
- audioqueue compatibility fixes
- audio file stream compatibility fixes
- ExtAudioFileCreateNew memory management fix
- ADTS files now supports kAudioFilePropertyPacketSizeUpperBound
- Core Audio performance fixes


If this list is true Logic Pro and Core Audio are gonna fly!
:)

Back up guys! Don't ever take an OS update at face value!
... and for goodness sake don't upgrade your work machine when you have a project due.

[Bryanj026]

I love how everyone has a "snappier" comment to make when there are new update releases

[/dev/toaster]

Did you upgrade to WotLK? You know the shadows that introduced really bogged down everyone's performance right? Try disabling/lowering those, see what happens.

The performance dropped before I upgraded. After upgrade there was no difference in speed.

[TonyHoyle]

The performance dropped before I upgraded. After upgrade there was no difference in speed.

The new graphics stuff came in the 3.0.2 patch, prior to WoTLK.

The NVidia performance is particularly bad.. there are people with dual 8800GTXs getting 25fps. It's more a blizzard problem than an apple one right now (alhough the OSX version is *way* slower than Windows that's probably a blizzard problem too).

[Mike Teezie]

I'd love for this to fix my MBP's problem with dropping wireless signal. That, and iChat trying to sign in 50 times every time I open it, making AIM block my account for ten minutes.

[/dev/toaster]

The new graphics stuff came in the 3.0.2 patch, prior to WoTLK.

The NVidia performance is particularly bad.. there are people with dual 8800GTXs getting 25fps. It's more a blizzard problem than an apple one right now (alhough the OSX version is *way* slower than Windows that's probably a blizzard problem too).

I noticed a huge drop in FPS when OS X 10.5.5 was updated, _not_ WoW 3.0.2 patch. I am also using a 3870 not the 8800.

[Santa Rosa]

All PPC Macs get the 1 finger gesture in Snow Leopard.

Its looking like my Rev 1 MBA is getting the finger by not getting four finger gestures even though its only a few months younger than the new one with no hardware differences on the trackpad. Whats that all about.... lol

[kalafalas]

The first time I read this I thought it said "Mac OS X 10.6 Release Imminent" and I was all set with my "YEAH RIGHT" comment. But yeah, nevermind.

OMG me to

[TwinCities Dan]

I love how everyone has a "snappier" comment to make when there are new update releases

Your love for that will fade... :rolleyes: ;)

[alexbates]

Does any of the syncing problems in the list refer to the speed of syncing on the iPhone and iPod touch? The 2.1 software update helped the syncing speed a lot, but I'm wondering if part of the problem is on the Mac and could be fixed.

[pismodude2]

I really doubt Apple would release an update that late.

iPhone/iPod 2.2 came out at midnight . I put my money on midnight. :D

Of note, the day before 2.2 came out was the last day of a Woot off. So is today. :eek:

[elppa]

- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved
Is this for Laptops with the slot loading drives?
The noise at startup and wake from sleep is so loud and irritating.

- Bluetooth and USB in closed lid mode compatibility fix
Excellent.

- Command-H and applications hiding fix
I have noticed some strange problems in this area.

- Show(Hide)Window() without Window menu memory management fixes
Looks like this is related.

Sometimes when I have done a hide others command-option-H from the keyboard I have experienced strange glitches in the window behaviour which need a logout to fix.

[paduck]

lol Black and White OS :eek:

I remember waiting for 7.0 ( and 6 and 5). 7.0 did have color in the OS. So did 6.0, although not as nicely. The OS 6 Multifinder was very exciting at the time, but you really needed 4mb of RAM to use it properly. Along with my BIg 60mb hard drive...

[FJ218700]

glad to see the "DVI and display detection fix"

I've had to totally skip 10.5.5 on my MacBook, which stays in clamshell mode when I'm not travelling.

[KVH]

I hope they finally fixed the video issue that G5's with ATI X1900 graphics cards have. It's been 2-3 months and counting.....

[newtonuk]

Areas of Change

- Resolved issue with Automatic bookmark syncing and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with Sync Services and slow sync prompt
- Fixed issue with DVI and display detection
- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved
- Fixed issue with MobileMe pref pane and periodic syncing
- Fixed issue with printing a PDF file from Mail.app
- Resolved issue with LaunchServices and downloading playlists
- Resolved problem with Sync Services and calendar syncing
Issues fixed in previous seeds:
- Resolved issue with FileSync and FileSyncAgent
- Fixed issue with syslog and duplicate message suppression
- Fixed multitouch issue with Finder
- Resolved issue with USB disconnect warning dialog
- Fixed issue with notified syncs and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with System Preferences and MobileMe sync tab
- Issue with KeychainAccess and prompting of passwords resolved
- AFP Server no longer caches FPGetSessionToken
- AFP Server now turns off replay cache for non replay clients
- AFP Client now advertises that it supports Replay cache
- Bluetooth and USB in closed lid mode compatibility fix
- FileSyncAgent syncing fix
- HTTP basic authentication with long URL containing username/password fix
- iCalExternalSync - you can now change the record identifier to RootNode
- Misc localization fixes
- Buenos Aires (Argentina) Local Time One Hour time change fix
- Fixed issue with CFNetwork and Content-Disposition file names
- Addressed issue with CoreTypes and certain zip file contents
- Fixed problem with USB OTG Disks and Mass Storage
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and idle sleep
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and curfew login
- Fixed issue with iDisk Syncing
- Fixed Calculator issue with Swiss German
- Fixed network server file copying issue
- Addressed issue with AudioQueue and CoreAudio
- Fix to Network Authorization UI
- Fixed issue with AirPort Drivers and “off” setting
- Issue with decoding GIF images and CoreGraphics resolved
- Fixed issue with Mail and authentication of inactive accounts
- Resolved issue with iCal Search and text search
- Fixed issue with iCal Alarms not firing in certain situations
- Problem with Quick Look and CoreGraphics resolved
- Issue with iChat setup assistant fixed
- Fixed issue with firewall configs being reset after upgrading
- Resolved issues with CFURLCookies
- Address books syncing fixes
- AFP server login fixes
- Graphic drivers performance fixes
- New iCal Events and AppleScript applet fix
- Safari and cookies compatibility fixes
- Core Audio and AU component version mismatch fix
- Multiple instances of MatrixReverb in separate threads fix
- Core Audio compressor threshold fix
- Switching default audio device’s output stream is now immediate
- More channels for Core Audio 3D mixer
- Programmatically created (public) aggregate device now plays correctly
- Audio Channel Layouts and Unique ID fix
- Changing the composition of an aggregate device audio dropout fix
- kAudioSubDevicePropertyDriftCompensation property can now be set on an aggregate device
- Renaming aggregate devices now propagate device name changes to all applications
- AudioFileOpenURL memory management fix
- CoreAudio AudioFileWritePackets file creation fix
- audioqueue compatibility fixes
- audio file stream compatibility fixes
- ExtAudioFileCreateNew memory management fix
- ADTS files now supports kAudioFilePropertyPacketSizeUpperBound
- Core Audio performance fixes
- CGDisplayBaseAddress and 64bit binaries compatibility fix
- Command-H and applications hiding fix
- FSCatalogSearch() on 64 bit binary app now returns correct results
- iCalExternalSync floating events and stability fixes
- iCal can now identify VTIMEZONE with a simple offset and no transition dates
- Setting iChat setting to “invisible” via AppleScript now keeps you logged in
- Embed ColorSync Profile” in Image Capture no longer leaves invisible file behind
- Image Capture Architecture performance fixes
- Show(Hide)Window() without Window menu memory management fixes
- Linked binary with NFS shares fix
- Keychain Access: Change Password now works for smart cards
- AppleScript/Keychain Scripting now saves passwords as UTF-8
- pthread operation support fixes
- Access times on FAT32 formatted USB external drive performance fix
- Fixed issue with large file (4gb+) writes to LINUX nfs server when initiated from finder
- NFS export and hostname resolution at startup fix
- copying from a framebuffer object to a texture via glCopyTexSubImage2D fix
- GL_ARB_occlusion_query now works with multiple in-flight queries
- Dealloc method of Cocoa PDE is now called when Print dialog is closed
- Two-Sided Checkbox now follows PPD UIConstraints
- Carbon Printing sheets and window flickering issue fix
- ‘Collated’ can now be set as default in print dialog
- Print sheet now honors first page/last page settings
- PDFView now works with undoManager when its document is set
- Paper sizes and some PPDs compatibility fixes
- AERecord-to-NSDictionary translation now handles ‘usrf’ fields.
- Support for serial smart card readers in pcscd
- SyncServer performance fix
- AppKit recognition of xml-format webarchives
- Latest time zone changes for Brazil, Europe, Argentina, etc
- Uploading of files to more than one webDAV volume at the same time fix
- X11 application gnubg segmentation fix

Jeez, sounds like an incremental beta release not a mature, stable OS!

[Yoursh]

I just hope that the FileSync and SyncServer fixes finally fix the problem with syncing photo libraries with portable home directories.....

[waloshin]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

Looks like Windows 3.11 or 3.1!

[schneb]

10.5.5 has been very stable for me.

Stable? Yes. But there are definitely a few bugs and several annoyances that have not been addressed.

One bug, for example. If you are in List View, then drill to a folder that is Icon View, then use the back button, you will remain in Icon View. This is inconsistent and does not have this issue when using key shortcuts.

There are huge annoyances in Spotlight that need to be addressed. One of my favorites is having it open its search in the main hard drive instead of the current folder I am in.

[djdjek]

Interesting...but just a rumor right??? :)

[maclancer]

Interesting...but just a rumor right??? :)

Yup, but there is a possibility that Apple release the update Friday or Monday. Crossed fingers.

[severe]

"- Buenos Aires (Argentina) Local Time One Hour time change fix"

Finally!


;)

[Ampidire]

I noticed a huge drop in FPS when OS X 10.5.5 was updated, _not_ WoW 3.0.2 patch. I am also using a 3870 not the 8800.

uh, great...
8800gtx sli would be much faster than a 3870, that's why he mentioned even *those* cards were having trouble with the update; he never said you were using one... seemed kinda snappy what you just said, we were trying to help you...

he's right about 3.0.2 though; and you're the first/only person i've heard having this sort of problem?

i get 80-100fps everywhere on my 9600m-gt in my new mbp and on my desktop with it's 8800gt i get 70-80 fps at 1920x1200 with 4x sampling, i've disabled the shadows or kept them low though.

[dave12345]

how about a fix for the 'spinning wheel of death for five minutes when waking the MBP up from sleep problem' !

[MacGeekDC]

10.5.5 also appears to have some memory leaks. After a few days my wired memory keeps creeping up and its never released. Even if I kill all applications and relog. This happens on both my Mac Pro and Macbook Pro.


That's been happening to me too. It gets really annoying.

[JMP]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

I couldn't agree more!
On the worst notebook ever made (my late 5300ce) that was a real treat.

[bplein]

Youngster. My first Mac came with System 3. :)

I believe mine came with version 1.0. The original Mac (128K).

My next mac came with Mac OS X 10.4

So, am I a switcher? Yes... constantly...

[JMP]

Oh God PLEASE let them finally fix this stupid airport dropout/slow connection problem. It's only in Leopard (post 10.5.2 I want to say). I've tried all kinds of routers, settings, etc. Wifi work fine under Vista 64. Come on Apple.

Yup!!!! That would be about time !!!

[JMP]

Youngster. My first Mac came with System 3. :)
My first Apple Computer was an Apple IIe and my first Mac was a Mac 512k. ;)

[actionbastard]

Find a site that posts in English. Meu português é um pouco oxidado. Honestly!

[xDYLANx]

blu-ray support?

you can't just add blu-ray support with a software update. it's a separate drive from dvd.

[alexbates]

Could an older Mac's drive be updated if Apple decided to make a software update for blue-ray support?

[shaolindave]

ichat screen sharing, video, and audio chat stopped working with 10.5.1
i wonder why they still aren't fixing that?

[okrelayer]

i get excited for these updates, even though OSX is running well atm! haha. Like early christmas

[DsurioN]

Could an older Mac's drive be updated if Apple decided to make a software update for blue-ray support?

Blu-ray is an entirely different laser technology. You'd need a whole new drive.

There are a few vendors, however, that will install a blu-ray drive in your mac. They don't come cheap though.

[fleshman03]

Its looking like my Rev 1 MBA is getting the finger by not getting four finger gestures even though its only a few months younger than the new one with no hardware differences on the trackpad. Whats that all about.... lol

It can support it. Apple is just being evil about the software. Some people have had MBP running under Linux supporting 10 finger support! (I wish I was joking.)

Maybe we'll get lucky. I doubt it. Someone will put out a hack. At least that is the hope.

[iriejedi]

All hail 7.6!!!! I can't exactly remember why... but until 10.5... 7.6 would always be my answer for favorite OS.....



I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

[Eidorian]

Friday is possible but there's always Tuesday. I don't have any problems with 10.5.5 but another point release is never a bad thing.

[Eric S.]

Youngster. My first Mac came with System 3. :)
My first Apple Computer was an Apple IIe and my first Mac was a Mac 512k. ;)

OK, if we're going to go back that far, I got my first Apple computer in 1979: an Apple ][+ with 16KB RAM, an external floppy drive and SilentWriter printer. :cool:

[iriejedi]

The Apple ][e and then on to the Mac 512K and the eventual Mac Plus....I was there when the teeny tine 3 1/4 inch floppy drive space doubled from 400k to 800k.... got the first 5MB hard drive (yes that is an M and it was bigger than my Mac Plus).... now those were the days.....

Of course my Atari 400 with the pressure sensitive keys, cassette tape drive and Basic was in a cartrige....still brings me warm fuzzy memories....

Memories.... but I digress - I like updates even though my only problem with my new Mac Pro is MS Office.... but that is not Apples fault...


I believe mine came with version 1.0. The original Mac (128K).

My next mac came with Mac OS X 10.4

So, am I a switcher? Yes... constantly...

[xDYLANx]

OK, if we're going to go back that far, I got my first Apple computer in 1979: an Apple ][+ with 16KB RAM, an external floppy drive and SilentWriter printer. :cool:


OH YEAH!!! I got my first Mac a month ago!!! :rolleyes:

[tivoli2]

The Apple ][e and then on to the Mac 512K and the eventual Mac Plus....I was there when the teeny tine 3 1/4 inch floppy drive space doubled from 400k to 800k.... got the first 5MB hard drive (yes that is an M and it was bigger than my Mac Plus).... now those were the days.....

Of course my Atari 400 with the pressure sensitive keys, cassette tape drive and Basic was in a cartrige....still brings me warm fuzzy memories....

Memories.... but I digress - I like updates even though my only problem with my new Mac Pro is MS Office.... but that is not Apples fault...

Memories, indeed. I remember my dad bringing home a Commodore 64 & writing "Choose Your Own Adventure"-style stories using go-to loops and "backing it up" to a Radio Shack tape drive that used regular audio tape cassettes. (I was the one writing the adventures... not my pappy... well, at least as far as I know...)

Then came the Apples, but the first one I ever owned myself was a Tangerine 266 MHz iMac. Meanwhile, I'm still occasionally floored by the fact that I can carry a week's worth of my favorite music in my pocket and listen to it anywhere and wherever I want.

As for 10.5.6? I think I'm going to wait. AFAIK everything works fine right now, and I likes it that way.

[Michael CM1]

blu-ray support?

Doubtful. They wouldn't spend the money on licensing to not roll it out along with a bunch of computers with drives that would make them money. I'd look for it in 10.6.

[Daschund]

I soooooooooo wish that they have fixed the Airport...

[Daschund]

Thank you! I thought it was just me having this problem. If anything else, this is also the one and only thing I want fixed.

Yeah, me too... It actually went back to working fine I think in 10.5.4, but then came 5.5 and screwed up everything again (at least for me)

[iMouse]

Pah! System 7 had full color, and Prince of Persia on the Games Demos disc looked awesome. :p

7.1 > 7.5.5 :apple:

I never had a problem with 7.5.5 and found it to be much more stable than 7.5.3 and some earlier builds. My Quadra 605 in 1993 shipped with a version of System 7.1 with its own System Enabler.

What I found embarrassing was stability in later versions of Mac OS 8.5, 8.6 and 9.x. 8.1 was pretty darn stable and hosted an AppleShare network on an old Beige G3 Server until 2006 where I'm employed.

Actually, 1/3 of the G3 tower was submerged in water for about 8 hours as some idiot decided to move furniture and left the server on the floor. After we let the components dry, it fired right up like nothing ever happened. Amazing....simply amazing.

The Gateway tower on the floor across the room didn't make it that night. :-)

[minijon]

I believe I've seen that 10.5.6 should have the trackpad preference pane found on the custom builds of 10.5.5 found on the GlassBooks. And because of that, it would seem that it would be possible to get the hack working without having to reinstall the OS like the previous thread from a few weeks about it here on MR. (Sorry, no link.)

[kas23]

Its looking like my Rev 1 MBA is getting the finger by not getting four finger gestures even though its only a few months younger than the new one with no hardware differences on the trackpad. Whats that all about.... lol

Money. Seems to be a recurring them lately. :(

[Stridder44]

I soooooooooo wish that they have fixed the Airport...


Join the club. Apple loves to look the other direction when it comes to big problems.

[theBigD23]

I was hoping for a fix for Screen Sharing and Time Machine.

-Screen sharing for multiple monitors still gives me issues.
-Time Machine gives errors every so often and has since I switch in May. Hopefully they can fix this sometime in the future.

[Sehnsucht]

Other than that, 10.5.5 is as stable as an establishment where racehorses are kept and trained.

Hmmm...well, that's one way to put it! :D :D

[macthetiger85]

Pah! System 7 had full color, and Prince of Persia on the Games Demos disc looked awesome. :p

7.1 > 7.5.5 :apple:


I miss the classic Prince of Persia - trying to guess the letter/page/line conbinations to continue the game!

[kunze50]

10.5.5 has been pretty good; even 10.5.4. I am noticing some small things with 10.5.5 though. Somethings seems to have changed with 10.5.5 cursor placement when highlighting text. The pointer also remains as if in a text field on some applications when carried off. Good to see a 10.5.6 update coming out!

[newyorkguy]

lol Black and White OS :eek:

well. I would appreciate a b/w theme. This would be nice.:cool:
However , stability has to be much more improved.

[ikir]

Why someone vote this "negative"?? I don't get it. Software updates are always welcome.

[SFStateStudent]

Maybe they got tired of waiting...:eek:

[peterdevries]

Does anyone know what the difference is between fixing and resolving an issue?

[xDYLANx]

well, whoever predicted the midnight release was incorrect.:)

[Peace]

well, whoever predicted the midnight release was incorrect.:)

It'll be out around 6-10AM.

[Padraic]

Or midnight tonight? :rolleyes:

[Stormbringer]

4 finger gestures in Safari (and other apps) would be nice...

[goodcow]

You're either making this up or are breaking your NDA.

Who gives a sh't, they're bug fixes. We should always get a list of changes that way we know exactly what they're fixing and what they're ignoring.

[talkingfuture]

Anyone think 10.5.7 will be coming in January to support any new Macworld goodies. Or is that not necessary.

[proc]

Oh God PLEASE let them finally fix this stupid airport dropout/slow connection problem. It's only in Leopard (post 10.5.2 I want to say). I've tried all kinds of routers, settings, etc. Wifi work fine under Vista 64. Come on Apple.

I agree, but I don't have much hope that the dropping connections will be fixed. I really don't know why Apple still hasn't resolved the dropping wireless conections. Every time I play a game with network connection (for instance Age of Empires III) the connections drops and the LAN game is ruined as the other players wonder what happened to me.

[noxtos]

Does anyone know what the difference is between fixing and resolving an issue?

Resolving means having and providing a solution to a problem while fixing refers to the act that is necessary in order to obtain the solution. A devoloper is told that there is an issue. He would do some coding or whatever in order to fix it. When he's done fixing it, the issue is resolved.

Thus, in the end, fixed and resolved mean exactly the same.

[davidramsay]

Who gives a sh't, they're bug fixes. We should always get a list of changes that way we know exactly what they're fixing and what they're ignoring.

If you really think that the content of the declared fixed list is the complete list then ...

A company releasing bug fixes only declares the fixes for defects that a customer has spotted, if no one has identified an issue then it is likely to be fixed without a fanfare.

I work for a software company (NOT Apple) so don't ever expect a full list of changes.

[o0samotech0o]

I'm curious about memory leaks... My Mac has 4gb of ram and is getting a bit slower. Is this a memory leak?:confused:

Hmm...:rolleyes:

-Sam

[japanime]

Areas of Change
- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved


I sure hope this is fixed. It's plagued my wife's MacBook ever since she first got it, and is super-annoying.

[kjs862]

I don't see why we would pay for a point update.

[displaced]

Hmm...

Command-H and applications hiding fix

Does this mean that the checkbox named Hide in the Login Items list of System Preferences' Accounts pane might actually do something once again?

I want Mail, iCal and Safari all loaded and ready to go each time I log in. But I want them hidden until I click them. I can't remember exactly when this stopped working, but it was some time ago - possibly as far back as 10.3.9...

One can hope!

[Merkuryy]

Lol, another step to Snow Leopard, when 10.5.8 come out, then we'll be ready for the new beast:D

Again in Chinese: 呵呵，又离SNOW LEOPARD近了一步，当10.5.8 来临，我们就会看到苹果的新野兽了:D

and in French: Bingo! ,on ai de plus en plus proche de Snow leopard, cans il' y aura 10.5.8, je serais prais pour le nouveau animal de AAPL,:p

[younkin]

... 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

10.5.5 stable? Are you kidding me?

[dazzer21]

No InDesign hide fix... :(

[alexbates]

I sure hope this is fixed. It's plagued my wife's MacBook ever since she first got it, and is super-annoying.

Is this when you wake the computer from sleep or put a disk in? Both of those bug me a lot.

[JackieTreehorn]

I agree, but I don't have much hope that the dropping connections will be fixed. I really don't know why Apple still hasn't resolved the dropping wireless conections. Every time I play a game with network connection (for instance Age of Empires III) the connections drops and the LAN game is ruined as the other players wonder what happened to me.
Same here. It's a pain in the *ss. Whenever I use airtunes to stream from my iMac to my AppleTV, the internet connection drops. I tried tons of solutions, all to no avail.

[xDYLANx]

I agree, but I don't have much hope that the dropping connections will be fixed. I really don't know why Apple still hasn't resolved the dropping wireless conections. Every time I play a game with network connection (for instance Age of Empires III) the connections drops and the LAN game is ruined as the other players wonder what happened to me.

wow, this whole time i thought it was my router. that would be fantastic if they fixed it with the update. some days it's horrible

[CBX]

Anyone know if this will address iTunes hanging the whole mac when browsing the store?

[Padraic]

Anyone know if this will address iTunes hanging the whole mac when browsing the store?

I hope so! It's really starting to get on my nerves. iTunes is probably Apples biggest source of revenue next to hardware and it doesn't even work right! :mad:

[guzhogi]

I hope this fixes the issue where you're using MS Office 2004 or Pages on 10.5, using the Papyrus font, and then print it to an HP printer. The printer keeps getting errors b/c of that. Runs fine on Tiger under the same conditions.

[PeterQC]

I'm curious about memory leaks... My Mac has 4gb of ram and is getting a bit slower. Is this a memory leak?:confused:

Hmm...:rolleyes:

-Sam

Hum, no. If there's memory leaks, closing your mac and rebooting should fix it.

[137489]

Thus, in the end, fixed and resolved mean exactly the same.

Not always. Depends on the company's philosophy. I worked in many I/T departments where fix means, "we just put something in place" (work around, disabled features, zap rtn to convert ongoing bad data to proper format [rather than fixing the cause of the bad data to begin with], etc) until we can get it resolved.

Fix could mean temporary solution (although not always the best solution - just enough to slow down or stop the issue from occuring / being reported). therefore it is still in open issue.

Resolved could mean they got to the core of the issue, and provided a permanate solution so that it never occurs again. Therefore the issue is closed.

The end user thinks fixed and resolved are the same, but to a programmer / engineer; fixed means off my plate for now while I work on something else, or work on getting it resolved.

Like a resturant, what goes on in the kitchen; sometimes you do not want to know.

I once worked for a major Medical laboratory testing company. their whole philosophy was providing fixes and work arounds, they never resolved anything - drove me nuts. talk about your spaghetti code to support:

Input from user -> routine to correct the data to the correct format -> routine to correct a problem that the last routine caused -> filer -> post-filer to convert the data to the outdated filing structure -> pre-display to convert data to new display structure -> routine to fix problem in pre-display -> routine to format data into obsolete fields -> Display to user.

[Don't panic]

Areas of Change

- Resolved issue with Automatic bookmark syncing and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with Sync Services and slow sync prompt
- Fixed issue with DVI and display detection
- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved
- Fixed issue with MobileMe pref pane and periodic syncing
- Fixed issue with printing a PDF file from Mail.app
- Resolved issue with LaunchServices and downloading playlists
- Resolved problem with Sync Services and calendar syncing
Issues fixed in previous seeds:
- Resolved issue with FileSync and FileSyncAgent
- Fixed issue with syslog and duplicate message suppression
- Fixed multitouch issue with Finder
- Resolved issue with USB disconnect warning dialog
- Fixed issue with notified syncs and dotmacsyncclient
- Fixed issue with System Preferences and MobileMe sync tab
- Issue with KeychainAccess and prompting of passwords resolved
- AFP Server no longer caches FPGetSessionToken
- AFP Server now turns off replay cache for non replay clients
- AFP Client now advertises that it supports Replay cache
- Bluetooth and USB in closed lid mode compatibility fix
- FileSyncAgent syncing fix
- HTTP basic authentication with long URL containing username/password fix
- iCalExternalSync - you can now change the record identifier to RootNode
- Misc localization fixes
- Buenos Aires (Argentina) Local Time One Hour time change fix
- Fixed issue with CFNetwork and Content-Disposition file names
- Addressed issue with CoreTypes and certain zip file contents
- Fixed problem with USB OTG Disks and Mass Storage
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and idle sleep
- Fixed issue with Parental Controls and curfew login
- Fixed issue with iDisk Syncing
- Fixed Calculator issue with Swiss German
- Fixed network server file copying issue
- Addressed issue with AudioQueue and CoreAudio
- Fix to Network Authorization UI
- Fixed issue with AirPort Drivers and “off” setting
- Issue with decoding GIF images and CoreGraphics resolved
- Fixed issue with Mail and authentication of inactive accounts
- Resolved issue with iCal Search and text search
- Fixed issue with iCal Alarms not firing in certain situations
- Problem with Quick Look and CoreGraphics resolved
- Issue with iChat setup assistant fixed
- Fixed issue with firewall configs being reset after upgrading
- Resolved issues with CFURLCookies
- Address books syncing fixes
- AFP server login fixes
- Graphic drivers performance fixes
- New iCal Events and AppleScript applet fix
- Safari and cookies compatibility fixes
- Core Audio and AU component version mismatch fix
- Multiple instances of MatrixReverb in separate threads fix
- Core Audio compressor threshold fix
- Switching default audio device’s output stream is now immediate
- More channels for Core Audio 3D mixer
- Programmatically created (public) aggregate device now plays correctly
- Audio Channel Layouts and Unique ID fix
- Changing the composition of an aggregate device audio dropout fix
- kAudioSubDevicePropertyDriftCompensation property can now be set on an aggregate device
- Renaming aggregate devices now propagate device name changes to all applications
- AudioFileOpenURL memory management fix
- CoreAudio AudioFileWritePackets file creation fix
- audioqueue compatibility fixes
- audio file stream compatibility fixes
- ExtAudioFileCreateNew memory management fix
- ADTS files now supports kAudioFilePropertyPacketSizeUpperBound
- Core Audio performance fixes
- CGDisplayBaseAddress and 64bit binaries compatibility fix
- Command-H and applications hiding fix
- FSCatalogSearch() on 64 bit binary app now returns correct results
- iCalExternalSync floating events and stability fixes
- iCal can now identify VTIMEZONE with a simple offset and no transition dates
- Setting iChat setting to “invisible” via AppleScript now keeps you logged in
- Embed ColorSync Profile” in Image Capture no longer leaves invisible file behind
- Image Capture Architecture performance fixes
- Show(Hide)Window() without Window menu memory management fixes
- Linked binary with NFS shares fix
- Keychain Access: Change Password now works for smart cards
- AppleScript/Keychain Scripting now saves passwords as UTF-8
- pthread operation support fixes
- Access times on FAT32 formatted USB external drive performance fix
- Fixed issue with large file (4gb+) writes to LINUX nfs server when initiated from finder
- NFS export and hostname resolution at startup fix
- copying from a framebuffer object to a texture via glCopyTexSubImage2D fix
- GL_ARB_occlusion_query now works with multiple in-flight queries
- Dealloc method of Cocoa PDE is now called when Print dialog is closed
- Two-Sided Checkbox now follows PPD UIConstraints
- Carbon Printing sheets and window flickering issue fix
- ‘Collated’ can now be set as default in print dialog
- Print sheet now honors first page/last page settings
- PDFView now works with undoManager when its document is set
- Paper sizes and some PPDs compatibility fixes
- AERecord-to-NSDictionary translation now handles ‘usrf’ fields.
- Support for serial smart card readers in pcscd
- SyncServer performance fix
- AppKit recognition of xml-format webarchives
- Latest time zone changes for Brazil, Europe, Argentina, etc
- Uploading of files to more than one webDAV volume at the same time fix
- X11 application gnubg segmentation fix

Finally!
the fix on the Buenos Aires Local time couldn't come one hour too late, and don't even get me started on the swiss german calculator issues....

[aimbdd]

Areas of Change

- Issue with Superdrive and eject sound resolved

Um? how can you fix the sound a cd drive makes when it ejectsa cd with software :confused:

Hopefully airport is fixed....

[mathcolo]

Nah, I don't see Snow Leopard until March/April - I think we'll go to 10.5.9 at least. 10.5.6 seems like a lot of fixes so 10.5.7 onwards may be smaller and more frequent.

I think it is pretty likely that something related to Snow Leopard will be announced at MWSF. Hopefully a release... and I think 10.5.9 will be released the following week after MWSF.

[ddTaylor]

Key word: Should. :p

Unless Steve has had an aneurism, it'll be free. This is good news, but 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

I am not sure if you are being serious or not...but I still have issues on my late '07 MBP with CS3 and even CS4 as well as Drive Genius.

D

[justflie]

Um? how can you fix the sound a cd drive makes when it ejectsa cd with software :confused:

Hopefully airport is fixed....

Possibly when it ejects for seemingly no reason. For example, a video chat in iChat failed last night (like that never happens...). I send the report to apple, the computer hangs for a couple of seconds with a beachball, and the superdrive makes the eject sound. So I'm guessing it's something along those lines.

[projectle]

4 finger gestures for old MBPs would be nice.

I'll give you a 4 fingered gesture right here...

Nevermind. That's just a 1 fingered one.

[csmitty]

Possibly when it ejects for seemingly no reason. For example, a video chat in iChat failed last night (like that never happens...). I send the report to apple, the computer hangs for a couple of seconds with a beachball, and the superdrive makes the eject sound. So I'm guessing it's something along those lines.

Your iChats fail to connect, you must be doing something wrong then. Yea i'm just kiddin, mine hardly ever work either. We just do them to possibly be surprised if it does connect.

But actually I checked my firewall and had the ichat connection blocked. Allowed incoming connections and he opened his firewall and it connected no problem. Granted this only one person i've tried it with and we both have macbooks.

Looking forward to .6 Though I havnt had too many issues with .5

[morespce54]

Key word: Should. :p

Unless Steve has had an aneurism, it'll be free. This is good news, but 10.5.5 is stable like nobody's business.

Since when point updates are not free ;)

I think we should stop using the "should" for the newbies around here.

10.6 *won't* be a free update but all the updates from 10.5 *will* be free...

...Theoretically... ;)

[dr_lha]

Possibly when it ejects for seemingly no reason. For example, a video chat in iChat failed last night (like that never happens...). I send the report to apple, the computer hangs for a couple of seconds with a beachball, and the superdrive makes the eject sound. So I'm guessing it's something along those lines.
The CD always makes that Eject sound when a crash report is sent to Apple because the crash reporter polls the hardware to report what it is to Apple, and this has the effect of waking unused hardware (e.g. the CD drive) from sleep mode, which makes it do the eject sound.

[SFStateStudent]

I think it is pretty likely that something related to Snow Leopard will be announced at MWSF. Hopefully a release... and I think 10.5.9 will be released the following week after MWSF.

Isn't Snow Leopard 10.6? At least, I thought it was. Still waiting for the 10.5.6 Update...

[morespce54]

Areas of Change

...
- Resolved problem with Sync Services and calendar syncing
...

Finally. Let's hope they got it right this time! ;)

[inkswamp]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

I've long said that system 7 was the best gift Apple ever gave to Microsoft.

It was very hard to remain a Mac user back then. I stayed on the platform only because my job at the time made it easier for me not to switch, but I was also exposed to Windows at work as well as by friends running it. Apple was very definitely losing the game. Windows was a far better platform than the Mac back then.

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems. All the hours I dumped into troubleshooting that crap! Ugh! That's one of the many reasons I love OS X. What's funny is I just spent time at work troubleshooting a startup problem in XP and I ended up having to disable services and startup items and turned them back on half at a time, using the same troubleshooting strategies I learned with system 7 extensions. Funny how things change. :D

[newtonuk]

Resolving means having and providing a solution to a problem while fixing refers to the act that is necessary in order to obtain the solution. A devoloper is told that there is an issue. He would do some coding or whatever in order to fix it. When he's done fixing it, the issue is resolved.

Thus, in the end, fixed and resolved mean exactly the same.

Hmmm, in the course of my work, a resolved issue would mean that that a workaround has been identified and put in place. The issue remains unfixed, but is now a "known issue" and can be "resolved" by using the workaround.

A fixed issue is such. It is fixed and will never occur again.

However, that is only the terminology that we use.

[k2spitfire88]

10.5.5 stable? Are you kidding me?

I havent had any problems with it, and most of the people I know have no major issues. What about it isn't stable???

[SFStateStudent]

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems.:D

That's one of the problems that kept my brother with Windows as well, and just the other day he mentioned "this is how many years later?":p

[foobarbaz]

Possibly when it ejects for seemingly no reason. For example, a video chat in iChat failed last night (like that never happens...). I send the report to apple, the computer hangs for a couple of seconds with a beachball, and the superdrive makes the eject sound.

The report collects information about your drives. Same thing that happens when you start Disk Utility. Nothing unusual.

[KingYaba]

10.5.5 stable? Are you kidding me?

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

[majordude]

the fix on the Buenos Aires Local time couldn't come one hour too late, and don't even get me started on the swiss german calculator issues....

Well, I though this was funny. :p

[darwinian]

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

10.5.5 is very stable for me as well. I'm only interested in 10.5.6 for improved security and maybe one or two things on that list I'm not even aware of. This is in stark contrast to 10.5.0-10.5.3.

[Eric S.]

Why someone vote this "negative"?? I don't get it. Software updates are always welcome.

Some people mistakenly believe that more updates equate to a poor quality product.

Resolving means having and providing a solution to a problem while fixing refers to the act that is necessary in order to obtain the solution. A devoloper is told that there is an issue. He would do some coding or whatever in order to fix it. When he's done fixing it, the issue is resolved.

Thus, in the end, fixed and resolved mean exactly the same.

Not so; resolving an issue merely means that it is closed. An issue may be resolved by simply saying that it will not be fixed, or that it will be fixed in the next hardware revision, etc.

[alexbates]

10.5.5 is very stable for me as well. I'm only interested in 10.5.6 for improved security and maybe one or two things on that list I'm not even aware of. This is in stark contrast to 10.5.0-10.5.3.

It does have many bugs though. Look at the list. I'm sure you are having some of these problems too.

[ikm19]

10.5.5 is very stable for me as well. I'm only interested in 10.5.6 for improved security and maybe one or two things on that list I'm not even aware of. This is in stark contrast to 10.5.0-10.5.3.

For Me .5 is not stable at all. I have seen that beach ball coming up randomly.
So today is friday where is .6

[BWhaler]

The key thing I need is the dropped Airport connections and slow speeds on the new MacBooks. It sucks.

There also seems to be a bunch of MBP 2008 bugs. I hope they all get stomped out.

Leopard is almost shaping up to be a stable OS. Given the bugs and pretty bad experience I have had, I may not jump on Snow Leopard that fast this time around.

I am normally a very early adopter of Apple technology, but given all of the quality issues with the hardware and software in the past 2 years, I think I am going to slow down my purchases.

I like the fact that Apple ultimately fixes most issues, but the "beta culture" that has seeped into Apple is a real turn-off.

[neverfade]

I've long said that system 7 was the best gift Apple ever gave to Microsoft.

It was very hard to remain a Mac user back then. I stayed on the platform only because my job at the time made it easier for me not to switch, but I was also exposed to Windows at work as well as by friends running it. Apple was very definitely losing the game. Windows was a far better platform than the Mac back then.

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems. All the hours I dumped into troubleshooting that crap! Ugh! That's one of the many reasons I love OS X. What's funny is I just spent time at work troubleshooting a startup problem in XP and I ended up having to disable services and startup items and turned them back on half at a time, using the same troubleshooting strategies I learned with system 7 extensions. Funny how things change. :D

Ahh... that brings back memories. I remember those days. There was a guy who I worked with and he was trying to get as many extensions in his start up folder, so he could watch all these icons loading on his screen - And I said - Umm... yeah, you really don't want those - only the ones you need becasue they'll conflict with one another. Yeah, eventually understood why his computer would tank...

System 7 was, indeed, a lot of trouble shooting, that's for sure.

[Sky Blue]

For Me .5 is not stable at all. I have seen that beach ball coming up randomly.
So today is friday where is .6

No one said it would come out today. If it does come out today it'll be early afternoon PST.

[137489]

Your iChats fail to connect, you must be doing something wrong then. Yea i'm just kiddin, mine hardly ever work either. We just do them to possibly be surprised if it does connect.

But actually I checked my firewall and had the ichat connection blocked. Allowed incoming connections and he opened his firewall and it connected no problem. Granted this only one person i've tried it with and we both have macbooks.

Looking forward to .6 Though I havnt had too many issues with .5

My ichat works fine. any problem I had was not related to ichat, but stupid AOL (we have to use AIM for work). All my errors have been coming back with problems with the AOL server.

I've long said that system 7 was the best gift Apple ever gave to Microsoft.

It was very hard to remain a Mac user back then. I stayed on the platform only because my job at the time made it easier for me not to switch, but I was also exposed to Windows at work as well as by friends running it. Apple was very definitely losing the game. Windows was a far better platform than the Mac back then.

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems. All the hours I dumped into troubleshooting that crap! Ugh! That's one of the many reasons I love OS X. What's funny is I just spent time at work troubleshooting a startup problem in XP and I ended up having to disable services and startup items and turned them back on half at a time, using the same troubleshooting strategies I learned with system 7 extensions. Funny how things change. :D

Woah! Sounds like I was glad not to be an apple user back then. Was that time right around 1995-ish? I remember a friend of mine was given an Apple IIc. He said well, this is Windows 93, what will become your Windows 95. Even following the documentation, nothing would work right. I finally gave up and said, well I know DOS and Windows 3.11, but that - yep that's got issues.

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

10.5.5 very stable for me. In fact that and the latest updates to Mac-office 2008 (only bought it because I got it for $79 instead of $429), I have not had any problems at all. Now just to get in some Christmas money (hopefully), so that I can upgrade my ram to 4gb.

And yes, I do not tweak my system. I tried one tweak to itunes (to setup custom genre artwork), and when the next itunes update overwrote that - I said, ok what a waste of time.

[mobi]

I know, I'm trying to think what else they could come up with for the 10.5.6 upgrade, because there isn't much else to do between now and Snow Leopard.

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

[137489]

Resolve / Fix - much debate. Like I said it is the philosophy of the company on how that is used. Also the company may say resolved, but the end user is like "no it is not, the problem is still occuring - fix it".

Either way; it means "off my plate, next...." Regardless if the problem still occurs or not.

I have seen some posts on support sites that says:

"resolved - this is a known issue, no ETA given".
"resolved - corrected in version xxx"
"resolved - feature not supported"
"fixed - resolved by implementing in future release"

I hate that people are stickler for terminology, yet no one really uses it correctly.

Just like Routine/Program - interchangeable, yet companies may be sticklers that routine is a menu option and program is the code base. Other companies, Program is the software package and routine is the specific code.

Many times I told people (even my manager) to stop getting tripped up over terminology [he was even tripping himself up infront of users/clients].

Guess I been in this business too long...... :eek:

[AtariAge]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

I can second that. IMAP and Mail.app are not a good combination. I have several IMAP account I use with Mail and it's a big headache at times.

..Al

[137489]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

I use Mail and Entourage (just depends on what I feel like launching). I do not see what you would call Phantom mailboxes. what I see are all the folders that are normally there under my ME and GMAIL accounts. I do not have errors either.

And yes (especially gmail), there are alot more than what would appear considering a normal exchange server - but those are specific to gmail.

[Stridder44]

I don't see why we would pay for a point update.

I don't either, because they're free and always have been. What's your point?

[SFStateStudent]

I don't either, because they're free and always have been. What's your point?

What's up on that? They're treating us like we are iPod Touch owners or something...:mad:

[Bad Paper]

so. It's Friday.

[fleshman03]

so. It's Friday.

Nothing like having the party all set up and the guest of honor doesn't show.

[fpbecker]

Past OS X 10.5.x updates came out at around 10:15 pm CET/1:15 pm PST if I'm not terribly mistaken. So... it'll be about 3 more hours until we know whether or not the guest of honour doesn't show up after all.

[darwinian]

It does have many bugs though. Look at the list. I'm sure you are having some of these problems too.

As I said before, there are one or two things on that list that *probably* affect me. I submit bug reports whenever I come across reproducible ones in OS X, but none of my currently open tickets are show stoppers.

For Me .5 is not stable at all. I have seen that beach ball coming up randomly.
So today is friday where is .6

I'm not attacking you at all, but one thing I think we would do well to avoid is statements like this. I think problems should be narrowed down and specific as often as possible. That random beach ball could be a lot of things on your system -- it might not be a problem with OS X at all. You probably know more about the problem, but based on the info there, there's no real reason to believe 10.5.6 would fix that problem. Plus, it would be untestable unless you could point to something really tangible that changed.

The key thing I need is the dropped Airport connections and slow speeds on the new MacBooks. It sucks.

There also seems to be a bunch of MBP 2008 bugs. I hope they all get stomped out.

Leopard is almost shaping up to be a stable OS. Given the bugs and pretty bad experience I have had, I may not jump on Snow Leopard that fast this time around.

I am normally a very early adopter of Apple technology, but given all of the quality issues with the hardware and software in the past 2 years, I think I am going to slow down my purchases.

I like the fact that Apple ultimately fixes most issues, but the "beta culture" that has seeped into Apple is a real turn-off.

The only real bug I noticed in my Unibody MBP currently is that funny screenshot bug. Wireless, ExpressCard, USB, FW, BT, even trackpad, kb, etc. etc. etc. -- all working great. Actually, since the latest firmware update I've had 1 BT connection problem, but a bit of fiddling with on/off and it's all fine now. Nothing in the system.log to show for it, so who knows?

Just to be clear, I do wholeheartedly agree that the last few years of Apple have not been close to perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I recall early OS X days to have been bad, too, though I had a great experience as a new user in 2000 on my Pismo running OS 9 for a short time. Except that damn bomb message. :)

[Mudcrutch]

No InDesign hide fix... :(

I thought that was resolved in this update... guess not?

This is driving us insane here at work.

[walnuts]

Ahh... that brings back memories. I remember those days. There was a guy who I worked with and he was trying to get as many extensions in his start up folder, so he could watch all these icons loading on his screen - And I said - Umm... yeah, you really don't want those - only the ones you need becasue they'll conflict with one another. Yeah, eventually understood why his computer would tank...

System 7 was, indeed, a lot of trouble shooting, that's for sure.

You know, I have to disagree. With System 7, I remember dealing a lot with extension issues, but it was always relatively clear. System 7's Extensions control panel got better with time (allowing you to clearly choose which extensions loaded). I believe there was also a third party solution that made turning extensions on and off easier while notifying you of which were known to conflict.

Ever since then, on OS X or windows, I have never seen anything so simple. All sorts of programs make edits to system files, etc., and if those changes/extensions conflict, I, as a regular old end user, have no way to figure out how to fix them. Granted, the conflicts may be less serious/frequent now, but I still found the fixes clear.

[younkin]

He's not joking. 10.5.5 is very stable. Have you been toying with your system files by any chance?

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

[Eric S.]

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

I'm curious - what PPC machines are you running it on?

[motulist]

Nope.

All our 10.5.5 PPC machines (some more than others) have an issue with "loginwindow" crashing on user log out. You are left with a blank screen but an active mouse. There's no way out but a forced shutdown. We are far from alone with this problem (numerous threads at the Apple Discussions).

Also, all our PPC machines are plagued with kernel panics on a regular basis. There's no rhyme or reason to the panics; they're all over the map. I wouldn't even know where to start with that.

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

Do you ever run any bittorrent clients on these machines? Transmission is known to cause complete crashes of leopard, even if transmission isn't running at the time but had been launched sometime since the last restart.

[mcguidance]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

[Kar98]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

No, these are discussed here:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/10/apple-releases-firmware-updates-for-late-2008-portables/

[Roy Hobbs]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.

Works fine for me, I have Mail setup with 4 IMAP account and it works without issue

[Eric S.]

Totally newbie here, but are firmware updates that I have been getting the updates you all were referencing?

Well, what firmware updates have you been getting? ;) What system/OS version are you running, and what do the updates say?

[fleshman03]

Ummm anyone using Mail.app with multiple IMAP accounts. Needs much improvement. Throwing needless errors, adding "phantom" mailboxes, it is not a pleasant user experience.


Yupp I get that too. Sometimes one account just will not work. (they both are gMail.)

[HBOC]

Isn't Snow Leopard 10.6? At least, I thought it was. Still waiting for the 10.5.6 Update...

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am :)

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

[KingYaba]

Our PPC machines were solid as a rock under 10.4; 10.5 has been a foul experience, to say the least.

Sorry to hear that.

[Mal]

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am :)

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

There won't be an 11.0 for many years most likely, OS X was intended to last Apple 10-15 years at least, and it's only been 7. In the old days, each new version of the operating system (which were not always the exact same kernel, though they were based around it) was a new integer update (System 6, System 7, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9). In the Mac OS X world, we now have point upgrades and then smaller bug fix updates. So everything for the past 7 years has been OS X (10.x) and that trend could easily continue to OS X 10.15 if they so choose (not to be confused with 10.1.5).

jW

[Soat]

Wouldn't it be 11.0? How many OS's has apple had? more than 11? sorry, i am fairly new to apple, but remember using apple's (macintosh) in the mid 80's at school. i graduated HS in 97', just so people have an idea of how old i am :)

10.5.5 has been nothing but stable for me. I have never had a crash, unlike on XP.

Snow Leopard is 10.6, next update will be 10.5.6. OS 9 to OS X (10) was a major rewrite of the entire OS, throwing Unix in there, all sorts of changes. OS 11 probably won't be as drastic as 9 -> 10 was, but who knows. Maybe those 3D desktops? :D

10.6 is going to be a re-write/cleaning up/optimizing of core code to the OS + OpenCL and some other under-the-hood goodies. It's not considered a "major version" because it will retain all of the UI elements of Leopard 10.5, and Joe MacUser won't know the difference beyond speed (and second-degree burns from 2 GPUs and a dual core processor all crunching numbers at the same time inside his very cramped Macbook Pro).

[aranhamo]

Find a site that posts in English. Meu português é um pouco oxidado. Honestly!

"A Apple soltou para os Developes mais um build do Leopard 10.5.6 a 9G55, nesta atualização quase não há diferenças entra a anterior.

O principal foco segundo informaram continua sendo no Mobileme (em especial na sincronização automática), peloa que sabemos apenas pequenos bugs restantes forma corrigidos, o que nos faz achar q em breve a mesma estará disponível para todos via Soft Apdate."

"Apple released to developers another build of Leopard 10.5.6, build 9G55; in this build there are almost no differences from the previous build.

They say the main focus continues to be MobileMe (especially in automatic synching). As far as we know, only small bugs remain to be fixed, which makes us believe that 10.5.6 will soon be available to everyone via Software Update."

[darthraige]

Technically at 6pm it should be up if it comes out today, right?

[illegallydead]

Works fine for me, I have Mail setup with 4 IMAP account and it works without issue

I have 1 POP and 2 IMAP and while I am not plagued by the issues mentioned, but rather with random processor spikes coming from Mail.app. It will load 1 CPU to 100%, then alternate to the other, back and forth. There does not sem to be any rhyme or reason to it, just bad coding or something. And no, I do not think it is mail indexing, because it will do it multiple times in a day, then not do it for weeks, then come back like every other day, so pretty random i'd say.

This is the biggest fix I am looking for, lets hope that this changes it (though it doesn't look like it will...)

[xbjllb]

Safari will be SO snappy in Snow Leopard that it will actually load in pages completely BEFORE you type in the url.

:apple:

[Mal]

Snow Leopard is 10.6, next update will be 10.5.6. OS 9 to OS X (10) was a major rewrite of the entire OS, throwing Unix in there, all sorts of changes. OS 11 probably won't be as drastic as 9 -> 10 was, but who knows. Maybe those 3D desktops? :D

10.6 is going to be a re-write/cleaning up/optimizing of core code to the OS + OpenCL and some other under-the-hood goodies. It's not considered a "major version" because it will retain all of the UI elements of Leopard 10.5, and Joe MacUser won't know the difference beyond speed (and second-degree burns from 2 GPUs and a dual core processor all crunching numbers at the same time inside his very cramped Macbook Pro).

Actually, it is being considered a major revision, because otherwise it would not have earned the 10.6 moniker. Granted, it won't be a significant visual change so far as we know, but the amount of work going on in this revision is more than enough to classify it as a major revision.

jW

[mcguidance]

No, these are discussed here:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/10/apple-releases-firmware-updates-for-late-2008-portables/

Thanks.

I am running 10.5.5 Leopard, new AlumMacBook. How will I know the update comes out?

[edgarf28]

Thanks.

I am running 10.5.5 Leopard, new AlumMacBook. How will I know the update comes out?

by checking this site or software-update in control panel

[bluefido]

just make Diablo 2 work on my Macbook, and I'll be happy.

[Eric S.]

I am running 10.5.5 Leopard, new AlumMacBook. How will I know the update comes out?

How new? I got my new Macbook a week ago and it already has the updates installed.

Run Software Update (from the Apple menu). It will tell you if you have updates to install. If there are updates, install them and then run Software Update again, and do that until there are no more updates to install.

You can also run About This Mac from the Apple menu, and click on "More Info". If these firmware updates are already installed you should see:
Boot ROM Version: MB51.0073.B06
SMC Version: 1.32f8

[mcguidance]

How new? I got my new Macbook a week ago and it already has the updates installed.

Run Software Update (from the Apple menu). It will tell you if you have updates to install. If there are updates, install them and then run Software Update again, and do that until there are no more updates to install.

You can also run About This Mac from the Apple menu, and click on "More Info". If these firmware updates are already installed you should see:
Boot ROM Version: MB51.0073.B06
SMC Version: 1.32f8

Ok, thanks, I have all that. Got mine a few weeks ago as a replacement for my WhiteBook.

[star-affinity]

10.5.5 has been pretty good; even 10.5.4. I am noticing some small things with 10.5.5 though. Somethings seems to have changed with 10.5.5 cursor placement when highlighting text. The pointer also remains as if in a text field on some applications when carried off. Good to see a 10.5.6 update coming out!

The issue with the cursor not updating properly — for example cursor being text selection cursor when it should be an arrow or vice versa (there are other examples/combinations) — is a classical issue in Mac OS that is much less frequent in both Window and Linux. I'd really like to see some more of ”Apple's attention to detail” when it comes to this.

[vestigo74]

just make Diablo 2 work on my Macbook, and I'll be happy.

I thought the Diablo thing was fixed with 10.5.5, no?

[noxtos]

Not so; resolving an issue merely means that it is closed. An issue may be resolved by simply saying that it will not be fixed, or that it will be fixed in the next hardware revision, etc.

That's another way of seeing it (the bugzilla way, which takes a quite developer-centric perspective). I would never tell a customer a bug is resolved when I just decided I will never fix it.

Resolve / Fix - much debate. Like I said it is the philosophy of the company on how that is used.

Agreed. It depends on whether you see a problem from a developer's or a customer's point of view.

[/dev/toaster]

uh, great...
8800gtx sli would be much faster than a 3870, that's why he mentioned even *those* cards were having trouble with the update; he never said you were using one... seemed kinda snappy what you just said, we were trying to help you...

he's right about 3.0.2 though; and you're the first/only person i've heard having this sort of problem?

i get 80-100fps everywhere on my 9600m-gt in my new mbp and on my desktop with it's 8800gt i get 70-80 fps at 1920x1200 with 4x sampling, i've disabled the shadows or kept them low though.

I was simply clarifying the issue ...

[okrelayer]

my macbook pro is running fairly smooth, but i keep checking repeatedly for the new software update! its so horrible haha.

[Soat]

Actually, it is being considered a major revision, because otherwise it would not have earned the 10.6 moniker. Granted, it won't be a significant visual change so far as we know, but the amount of work going on in this revision is more than enough to classify it as a major revision.

jW

You caught my ninja edit! I realized "major revision" applied to Snow Leopard after I re-read my post, but now my mistake is burned into the internets forever. :(

As long as we get on-the-fly GPU switching in MBPs, I'll call it whatever they want me to. ;)

[Riemann Zeta]

Nope. Looks like a false alarm. Maybe next week on Mon or Tue.

[thejadedmonkey]

I hereby call this rumor false! :D

[alphaod]

I hereby call this rumor false! :D

That's why it's a rumor and this is MacRumors, not MacFac.

[Hugh]

I've long said that system 7 was the best gift Apple ever gave to Microsoft.

It was very hard to remain a Mac user back then. I stayed on the platform only because my job at the time made it easier for me not to switch, but I was also exposed to Windows at work as well as by friends running it. Apple was very definitely losing the game. Windows was a far better platform than the Mac back then.

The worst part of system 7 was the extensions and startup problems. All the hours I dumped into troubleshooting that crap! Ugh! That's one of the many reasons I love OS X. What's funny is I just spent time at work troubleshooting a startup problem in XP and I ended up having to disable services and startup items and turned them back on half at a time, using the same troubleshooting strategies I learned with system 7 extensions. Funny how things change. :D

The problems didn't end until Apple moved to Mac OS X. Mac OS 9.1 (System 9) still used extensions as well. But I didn't thing it was a big problem. The ones that gave you the problems where freeware/shareware extensions.

Don't forget that System 7 made it easier to share files between the macs. A lot easier then how they did on the Windows machines at that time.

Hugh

[texasguy]

I'm old enough to remember System 7.5.5, probably one the worst OS headaches there ever was. :eek:

When I was merely knee high to a basketball hoop, yonder came System 6.0 over the horizon...and proved that life in 1986 was going to be even better than life in 1984!:apple:

[Mercellus]

Could still be released tonight, there have been updates at 11 PM EST before (I believe Mac OS X 10.5.3 or 10.5.4 was one of them).

[JQW]

I've just tried running the command-line version of Software Update and received a timeout error. Could that indicate that something is happening on the update servers at the moment?

[Mercellus]

I've just tried running the command-line version of Software Update and received a timeout error. Could that indicate that something is happening on the update servers at the moment?
Probably not.

[tugger]

I've just tried running the command-line version of Software Update and received a timeout error.
ditto on the GUI version of Software Update

[Eric S.]

Could still be released tonight, there have been updates at 11 PM EST before (I believe Mac OS X 10.5.3 or 10.5.4 was one of them).

On a Friday night though? I'd say doubtful. I think we're looking at Monday at the earliest.

[Mercellus]

On a Friday night though? I'd say doubtful. I think we're looking at Monday at the earliest.
Who knows, only time will tell.

[Stridder44]

Probably not.

Based on?

[Mercellus]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5G77 Safari/525.20)

Probably not.

Based on?

Wild guess.

[seashellz]

I thought I saw a Saturday update once or twice

I also think the team works into the night if theyre virtually finished, so they can have it out of the way for something new next week.

It may hit servers tonight and well see it -or hit servers and show up tomorrow
Anyone else notice the Macupdate often gets things earlier than VT?
I will often go there next to make sure

[Eric S.]

I thought I saw a Saturday update once or twice

I also think the team works into the night if theyre virtually finished, so they can have it out of the way for something new next week.

It may hit servers tonight and well see it -or hit servers and show up tomorrow
Anyone else notice the Macupdate often gets things earlier than VT?
I will often go there next to make sure

There was one Saturday update, way back in the early OS X days. Every other one has been on a weekday. It makes more sense that if Apple is releasing a major software update (and an OS minor update qualifies as major), they would want their release team in the office in case they need to pull the update or do a quick respin. Expect Monday at the earliest.

[illegallydead]

I never had a problem with 7.5.5 and found it to be much more stable than 7.5.3 and some earlier builds. My Quadra 605 in 1993 shipped with a version of System 7.1 with its own System Enabler.

What I found embarrassing was stability in later versions of Mac OS 8.5, 8.6 and 9.x. 8.1 was pretty darn stable and hosted an AppleShare network on an old Beige G3 Server until 2006 where I'm employed.

Actually, 1/3 of the G3 tower was submerged in water for about 8 hours as some idiot decided to move furniture and left the server on the floor. After we let the components dry, it fired right up like nothing ever happened. Amazing....simply amazing.

The Gateway tower on the floor across the room didn't make it that night. :-)

lol isn't old technology great? The things that you would never expect to keep on chugging do, and in fact just won't freaking die when you are looking for an excuse to get something new and shiny-er.
Props to your equipment, man!

[smartalic34]

well, guess it's false alarm on 10.5.6. maybe monday...:rolleyes:

[PowerFullMac]

Let's hope this thing fixes that stupid bug where my MacBook wont wake up properly, I'm getting sick of it and I'm sure all those forced shut downs are damaging my HD :mad:

[motulist]

well, guess it's false alarm on 10.5.6. maybe monday...:rolleyes:

I can't tell you how I know the piece of information I'm about to tell you, but I promise you that I know 100% definitely for sure when Apple is going to officially release the update. I know for certain that OS 10.5.6 will definitely be released either today, or on some day following today. I guarantee it!

[polee]

Looks like it's going to be Monday or Tuesday now. Never has there been so much anticipation. 10.5.5 has been serving me well. But I suppose new updates are always welcome provided they don't mess things up. So far so good for me...

[OllyW]

I can't tell you how I know the piece of information I'm about to tell you, but I promise you that I know 100% definitely for sure when Apple is going to officially release the update. I know for certain that OS 10.5.6 will definitely be released either today, or on some day following today. I guarantee it!

You should submit this to Arn. Hot inside information like this should be Page 1 News. :D

[InkMaster]

Ah, forget Leopard; when will Snow Leopard be here finally.

Maybe its just me, but Leopard has been such a turd ever since 10.5.2 or so.

I loved Tiger, used it since it came out and till the day I upgraded to Leopard, never had a single problem with it - had to reinstall it only once, and even then it was purely my fault. With Leopard, the first few month were "ok" -- not perfect but not awful either.

But since maybe .5.2 its just been horrible. In the year or so that its been out I literally had to reinstall it 4-5 times now. It honestly is that bad. Reminds me of Windows in alot of ways. When you first install it it all works fine, but after you use it for a few month, one day for no reason at all it just collapses into a pile of crap.

Stupid bugs everywhere, apps crashing and can't be force quitted, freezing during shut downs, behavior similar to memory leaks at times etc etc etc.

Now, with that all I said I do love some things about it - Time Machine is great, quicklook is extremely handy, spotlight has improved tons (though I really miss the old spotlight "more results" search window), I rather like the new dock etc.

But yeah, I really really hope 10.6 will be more like 10.3/10.4 cause those two were just solid.

[PowerFullMac]

In the year or so that its been out I literally had to reinstall it 4-5 times now. It honestly is that bad.... Stupid bugs everywhere, apps crashing and can't be force quitted, freezing during shut downs, behavior similar to memory leaks at times etc etc etc.

So better than Vista, then? :D

[yoppie]

Maybe they meant next Friday. :(

[InkMaster]

So better than Vista, then? :D

On the contrary; compared to Leopard, Vista has been perfect. :(

I mean I wouldn't use it on a daily basis, but when I do use it, it works alot better then Leopard sadly enough :(

Maybe they meant next Friday. :(

Maybe the friday after MacWorld?

[PowerFullMac]

On the contrary; compared to Leopard, Vista has been perfect. :(

I mean I wouldn't use it on a daily basis, but when I do use it, it works alot better then Leopard sadly enough :(

That's odd, on my Mac although Leopard is a bit buggy and Safari sucks big time, it's still generally fine... I have had my MacBook for about 5-6 months and I havent had to reinstall the system or anything... Now that I am browsing with Firefox, it's perfect really.

The only annoying thing is the sleep problems it has.

[InkMaster]

That's odd, on my Mac although Leopard is a bit buggy and Safari sucks big time, it's still generally fine... I have had my MacBook for about 5-6 months and I havent had to reinstall the system or anything... Now that I am browsing with Firefox, it's perfect really.

The only annoying thing is the sleep problems it has.

I personally prefer Safari -- just feels more "smooth" if you will --- Firefox just feels too much like a Linux/Windows application - too jerky/unpolished.

If anything Safari has been the most stable part of the OS for me :p

[PowerFullMac]

I personally prefer Safari -- just feels more "smooth" if you will --- Firefox just feels too much like a Linux/Windows application - too jerky/unpolished.

If anything Safari has been the most stable part of the OS for me :p

http://www.macworld.com/article/132285/2008/02/paypal.html
http://forums.macnn.com/82/applications/303169/will-apple-ever-fix-safari-memory/
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/69862

There are more, but I havent got time at the moment.

Anyway, each to their own.

[hwojtek]

http://www.macworld.com/article/132285/2008/02/paypal.html

http://securitywatch.eweek.com/browsers/paypal_safari_not_among_unsafe_browsers.html

http://forums.macnn.com/82/applications/303169/will-apple-ever-fix-safari-memory/

A topic right from the times of Safari 2.

http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/69862

Fixed back in 2006.

There are more

As irrelevant, as those you have mentioned. Now move on, nothing to see here.

[Stridder44]

http://www.macworld.com/article/132285/2008/02/paypal.html
http://forums.macnn.com/82/applications/303169/will-apple-ever-fix-safari-memory/
http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/69862

There are more, but I havent got time at the moment.

Anyway, each to their own.


Dude, did you even bother to see that those links/posts are from like 2006?

[PowerFullMac]

While using Safari a website was able to run applications on my computer and replicate all the application windows... All without asking my permission... Very secure :rolleyes:

[xUKHCx]

You have created your own thread for this now. So please move discussion over to that.

[PowerFullMac]

You have created your own thread for this now. So please move discussion over to that.

Good point.

Thread is here http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=616046

[The Flashing Fi]

Ah, forget Leopard; when will Snow Leopard be here finally.

Maybe its just me, but Leopard has been such a turd ever since 10.5.2 or so.

I loved Tiger, used it since it came out and till the day I upgraded to Leopard, never had a single problem with it - had to reinstall it only once, and even then it was purely my fault. With Leopard, the first few month were "ok" -- not perfect but not awful either.

But since maybe .5.2 its just been horrible. In the year or so that its been out I literally had to reinstall it 4-5 times now. It honestly is that bad. Reminds me of Windows in alot of ways. When you first install it it all works fine, but after you use it for a few month, one day for no reason at all it just collapses into a pile of crap.

Stupid bugs everywhere, apps crashing and can't be force quitted, freezing during shut downs, behavior similar to memory leaks at times etc etc etc.

Now, with that all I said I do love some things about it - Time Machine is great, quicklook is extremely handy, spotlight has improved tons (though I really miss the old spotlight "more results" search window), I rather like the new dock etc.

But yeah, I really really hope 10.6 will be more like 10.3/10.4 cause those two were just solid.

To be blunt, it sounds like the problem is with you more than with the operating system itself, that, or I'm really lucky that I haven't had problems with Leopard, Tiger, Windows (XP or Vista), or really Ubuntu for that matter.

At least nothing that wasn't my own fault (I like to mess around with system files. Sometimes they don't end well, but I can usually fix the error without having to reformat, and this applies to Mac OS X and Windows, as well as Ubuntu).