Bin Laden close to capture?

[diamond geezer]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3510915.stm

The Sunday Express reports that Osama Bin Laden has been tracked down by British and American special forces to a remote, mountainous area of north-western Pakistan.

A US intelligence source tells the paper the leader of al-Qaeda is "boxed in" with 50 loyal henchmen in an area measuring 100 square miles.

American military officials believe the Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammed Omar, is with him and neither man has any chance of escape.

The Express says the SAS and US forces are now waiting for the order to go in and get them.

[krossfyter]

how credible is this?


they are now waiting for the order to go in and get him?

yeah the last thing we need is more time.


anyways.... if this is true... im very surprised.

the capturing of sadam and osama are completley different. the reason its harder to get osama is because the guy is seen as a hero to many muslims in that area... while sadam is not.

thats why it was easier to get sadam i believe.... most muslims wanted him out because he killed so much of thier own people. thats my guess.

so if they do capture laden soon as this news stroy seems to be indicating.... then ill be very surprised.

[Sparky's]

night

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by krossfyter
the capturing of sadam and osama are completley different. the reason its harder to get osama is because the guy is seen as a hero to many muslims in that area... while sadam is not.

The real reason is because our "allies" in Pakistan would not allow US forces to enter this border region.

[Sparky's]

I was going to post this earlier but couldn't seem to get it on the page. I am only trying to inject a little levity to the situation.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
The real reason is because our "allies" in Pakistan would not allow US forces to enter this border region.

right...
well that is certainly a big part of the situation but that doesnt eliminate the bigger aspect i pointed out earlier.

pakistan is a part of those people that idolize him. pakistan lets our troops in after him... pakistan then notifies osama that were coming in. pakistan is our allie to a point. damn buddy system.


thats my guess. i could be wrong.

[pseudobrit]

"Boxed in" to over 100 square miles?

That's a big box.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by diamond geezer
The Express says the SAS and US forces are now waiting for the order to go in and get them.

so we're waiting for, what, bush to drop a couple more points in the polls? or will it simply be done in october?

[AMDMACMAN]

I would wait untill the last week in october. What a winner that idea would be. I am a Bush supporter and this would be killer for him. I would love it. A politically crafted capture right before the election. Heck if he is a sure capture why not wait untill it benefits you. Kerry would be toast.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by AMDMACMAN
I would wait untill the last week in october. What a winner that idea would be. I am a Bush supporter and this would be killer for him. I would love it. A politically crafted capture right before the election. Heck if he is a sure capture why not wait untill it benefits you. Kerry would be toast.

iow, you approve of playing politics w/ national security. is this another example of bush's morality?

[wordmunger]

100 square miles or 100 miles square? Big difference! 100 square miles is a box just ten miles on a side. If it's really that small of an area, and he's really inside, I think they've got a shot. OTOH, if it's 100 miles square, that's almost the size of Massachusetts. Might be difficult to find him in an area that large.

[Neserk]

Originally posted by zimv20
so we're waiting for, what, bush to drop a couple more points in the polls? or will it simply be done in october?

I'm sure he'll take credit again even though he is just sitting on his butt, oh nope, my bad, he is nappng :D

[AMDMACMAN]

Originally posted by zimv20
iow, you approve of playing politics w/ national security. is this another example of bush's morality?



the guy is living in a cave surronded by us military how is that a risk. what could he possible acomplish. everyone who ventures to far out(if this story is true) would be arrested or shot. why not wait. If he captures him too early the people would forget about it but if he does it latter on in september/october if will be fresh. I say wait as long as possible. But on the other hand if they can determine that Bin Laden is planing some big operation to destroy something of U.S. interest then take him out now. I do not condone waiting if it is a big risk.

Also, presidents alway take credit for their militaries actions. That is one of the benifits if someone has a problem with that dont take it out on bush take it out on the american system that has the President set up as comander and chief.

[diamond geezer]

Of course, apart from being morally wrong, if you wait around for a politically appropriate moment and the chicken flies the coop, you end up looking a right potato.

[AMDMACMAN]

what is morally wrong about it. If you get the same end result then what is the difference. Why not do the same thing when it is most benifical to America. (yes having bush for 4 more years is benifical to ameica, IMO)

[IJ Reilly]

Am I the only one thinking it's time for another IP check?

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
Am I the only one thinking it's time for another IP check?

i've been thinking the same thing...

[zimv20]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
Am I the only one thinking it's time for another IP check?

not at all. the trolling tactics are familiar.

[AMDMACMAN]

I have done nothing wrong. All i have done is voice my opinion. It may be in contrast with yours but is this a place to freely voice opinions or is a liberal only club. Ban me if you wish, but what does that say about you. I as well as many have an opinion. I have not insulted anyone or belittled them in anyway.

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by 3rdpath
i've been thinking the same thing...
And so is the spelling.

[AMDMACMAN]

what you guys dont like my spelling(as if it matters). I admitt i can not spell but, what is this IP check about. I have a sneaking suspicion that their is an active plot to remove me from the forum.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by AMDMACMAN
what you guys dont like my spelling(as if it matters). I admitt i can not spell but, what is this IP check about. I have a sneaking suspicion that their is an active plot to remove me from the forum.

and how many times have we seen this act?

[AMDMACMAN]

Please tell me what is up. If i am to be banned i would rather be warned as to what i did wrong. I would rather avoid the political forum that be banned from the whole thing!!!! Just tell me if this is liberals only welcome forum and i will move along. I just never saw a posting telling me that conservatives need not post.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by AMDMACMAN
Please tell me what is up. If i am to be banned i would rather be warned as to what i did wrong. I would rather avoid the political forum that be banned from the whole thing!!!! Just tell me if this is liberals only welcome forum and i will move along. I just never saw a posting telling me that conservatives need not post.

if you are one or more of g5man, ovi, sanfelipe, et. al., then you know exactly what's going on.

if you're not, then no, you are welcome to post according to the rules, regardless of your views. the more you use fact-based, reasoned debates, the more i and others will engage you. the more you resort to tired stereotypes and baiting, the more you'll be ignored.

but you'd be banned only for breaking the rules.

[AMDMACMAN]

Well just to reply. I am non of the names you mentioned. As one could see, I am AMDMACMAN.

everything i had posted is based on the facts(as i see them). all facts are open to interpretation. I am just sick and tired of people playing monday moring quarterback with president bush. He has all the facts not us. all these conspiracy theories that republicans are out to get everyone, they dont make sense. It is a false sterotype that many around here use far to often.

there are obvious differences between republicans/conservatives and liberals/democrats. We all see pretty much the same info and we all come to different conclusions. It makes none of us stupid or blind. I am open to people debating me on "the issues" it just seems that when ever i defend a conservative act i am labled a: troll, baiter, idiot, or some other not so flatering thing. too many people here just like to post their ideas and then be backed up by like minded posters. Lets openly get some real debate and not just hatefull posts going back and forth.

[diamond geezer]

[i] Just tell me if this is liberals only welcome forum and i will move along. I just never saw a posting telling me that conservatives need not post. [/B]

Don't worry, lefty liberals get banned as well.

[wwworry]

it would not surprise me if they are sitting on Ossama. However fighting foreign wars to win domestic power is a very questionable morality.

[Krizoitz]

Originally posted by AMDMACMAN
what is morally wrong about it. If you get the same end result then what is the difference. Why not do the same thing when it is most benifical to America. (yes having bush for 4 more years is benifical to ameica, IMO)

First it puts the lives of American soldiers at risk. The longer they are out there keeping him boxed in the more likely something will go wrong. Why not apprehend him now? If the only motivation is political than yes it is morally wrong because you are playing politcal games with peoples lives.

[Krizoitz]

Originally posted by AMDMACMAN
what is morally wrong about it. If you get the same end result then what is the difference. Why not do the same thing when it is most benifical to America. (yes having bush for 4 more years is benifical to ameica, IMO)

HOW HAVING BUSH IN OFFICE IS NOT BENEFICIAL

1) Patriot Act
Pretty straight forware, this thing is SCARY

2) A war based on lies
If he had said lets go get Saddam because he is a terrible person who is oppresing his people I would have been all for it, instead he lied to us about WMD.

3) Constitutional ammendmant on same sex marriage
While I agree that same-sex marriage is morally wrong on religious grounds, that has nothing to do with the civil grounds and making an ammendmant out of a purely religious issue with no supporting evidence as to how it would harm society is a bad and scary thing.

4) The energy crisis in California
Now this is actually one of my biggest reasons. I know it started while Clinton was in office, but Bush soon took over and I am STILL pissed about how he handled it.
First the crisis started in California but it extended elsewhere. Here in Washington where we have a good system going we were forced to sell OUR power to Cali at a loss and then OUR rates went sky high to. This was by presidential order. But Bush also said it was a state matter and he didn't want to step in. By not stepping in companies like Enron that he is tied to (Enrons Ken Lay was his biggest campaign supporter) were able to buy energy cheap and sell it at vastly over-inflated prices, taking advantage of a crisis situation purely for profit. To make matters worse we have Cheney's secret meetings with his energy buddies.

Those are atleast the four reasons why I will be voting Democrat, no matter who it is come the next election. Four more years of Bush is four more years down a very dark path. (Note I would have voted for McCain given the chance so don't accuse me of being a left wing uber liberal :) )

[IJ Reilly]

Just to clear up the administrative issues as best I can (since I raised them): Over the last year or so, we've seen quite a few banned posters on this board reappear under new screen names. When the posting style of a newbie member seems to match that of a banned poster, the moderator will generally check into whether the logged IP number matches a previously banned member. People only find themselves banned as a result of being flagrant, repeat violators of the rules who ignore one or more warnings from the moderator.

I believe our moderator (Rower_CPU) has been very fair in dealing with these issues, so you have nothing to fear from "the powers that be" on this board, if you follow the rules and don't adopt an in-your-face attitude towards the moderator. Overall, you will be graded by other posters on the quality of your arguments. But that's a different issue.

As far as spelling is concerned, as a fairly poor speller myself, I can hardly afford to be critical. I was simply identifying bad spelling as a flag for one of our previously banned posters. Personally, I don't see the need to confess to a spelling deficiency on a bulletin board like this one by actually posting misspellings, since by definition we all have access to that great innovation known as a "spell checker." Not using the spell checker is like going out with your hair uncombed when you have a mirror at home. You can if you like or you don't care, but it's unnecessary, and don't expect it to improve the impression you make on others.

[Rower_CPU]

Re: AMDMACMAN
Folks were right about the re-register, but wrong about the person doing it. This was jonapete/mactacular again.

Re: Moderating
There aren't really assignments for moderating particular forums, I just happen to monitor this forum more than the other guys do. ;)

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Re: AMDMACMAN
Folks were right about the re-register, but wrong about the person doing it. This was jonapete/mactacular again.


it's pretty lame of him to pretend to be confused

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by zimv20
it's pretty lame of him to pretend to be confused
Well I don't know, maybe he really is confused.
:)

[Backtothemac]

Well, I can say that if Bush was sitting on Osama that would be the end of my support for GW. I personally am fed up with some of his politics, but, if I have to choose between Kerry and Bush, I have to take Bush.

Still sitting on Osama would be political suicide for Bush.

[IJ Reilly]

We're never going to know for a fact whether the Bush administration was sitting on Osama if/when he's captured or killed, but we do know right now that he was named public enemy number one after 9-11, and two and a half years later, he's still a free man. And why is that? It's not like we haven't known for some time where he's hanging out. It's because our erstwhile allies in Pakistan are more concerned about their internal affairs then they're concerned about terrorism, and that the Bush administration hasn't been able to prevail upon them to behave otherwise. Still, I have little doubt that Osama will be miraculously apprehended some time this year. No matter how many questions are asked about the timing, the administration's crowing and the ensuing media din will drown them out. So if we're interested in these questions, we'd better ask them now.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
We're never going to know for a fact whether the Bush administration was sitting on Osama if/when he's captured or killed, but we do know right now that he was named public enemy number one after 9-11, and two and a half years later, he's still a free man. And why is that? It's not like we haven't known for some time where he's hanging out. It's because our erstwhile allies in Pakistan are more concerned about their internal affairs then they're concerned about terrorism, and that the Bush administration hasn't been able to prevail upon them to behave otherwise. Still, I have little doubt that Osama will be miraculously apprehended some time this year. No matter how many questions are asked about the timing, the administration's crowing and the ensuing media din will drown them out. So if we're interested in these questions, we'd better ask them now.

I agree with Riley 100% on this. And I have to say that if he does pop up Osama as caputed, I will be very happy, very happy indeed, but if it is in October. Then no, I will no vote for Bush.

[Sparky's]

Just some articles of interest:
From CNN (my wife and I fondly call "Communist News Network" -personal opinion here.)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/02/23/pakistan.alqaeda/index.html

and from the butterfly (think he's gay?)

http://search.msn.com/results.asp?cp=1252&q=Osama+Bin+Laden&submit1=Go&FORM=A8

and with again a little levity.

http://www.kickosama.com/

I believe knowing where he is without acting is like letting the prisoners out of our federal pens, but thinking they couldn't get very far. No video has ever shown any of the equipment Osama has stashed at arms length, I am sure it is known he uses satellite communications and probably could "live" off the land better than most of our trained special ops.
A lot of speculation out there, but until we see him being examined as was Sadam, it's all still just speculation.

[mactastic]

I thought it was known as the Clinton News Network?

Got anything from Faux News?