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Ironic
Dec 12, 2008, 08:55 PM
I started this thread thanks to MOD blue velvet for the idea, I for one don't have the lines at all and I have never seen the lines in any store, I do think some people have them, yep they are real however I think it is a very small percentage.
Those who have a MBA that is perfect, like to hear your thoughts.



ninjadex
Dec 12, 2008, 09:00 PM
Macro pics of your screen, please?:)

The Toddfather
Dec 12, 2008, 09:14 PM
I, too am line free. I have the 1.86 GHz 128 SSD, week 44.

NC MacGuy
Dec 12, 2008, 09:15 PM
I don't have any lines either. I believe that some people do but guess I got lucky.

robeddie
Dec 12, 2008, 09:25 PM
I've got a week 45, 128 SSD , 1.86. No lines. And have never seen them in the store either - I made a point of looking VERY closely.

Now, to be sure, like any LCD, if you examine the screen with your eyeball an inch away (or with a magnifying glass), you can see faint lines ... and, individual pixels for that matter!

Thus, I wonder how long it will be before we have someone who complains they can see these faint 'dots' (pixels) on their screen. That topic will then be bombarded when others also examine their screen with a magnifying glass and report the 'dots' and demand to have their 'defective' laptops replaced.

McGilli
Dec 12, 2008, 09:31 PM
I am a week 44 SSD. ordered mine ... early november when the HDD version shipping date jumped to indicate an extra 3 weeks wait at least.

Shipped from Shanghai the next day - and mine is perfect.

When I got mine - was only about a week after the first SSD version started arriving to people.

So - I will say this again (i posted it earlier in another thread)

The factories in China - must have some quality control. Howerver - the Olympics were in China this summer. Anyone who was employed to check the quality of the screens probably had their heads turned to watch the olympics - and therefore many bad batches of inferior screens got through the screening process.

I guess I too am just lucky....

mhnajjar
Dec 12, 2008, 09:34 PM
Guys, you have good news and I wish that my 1.6/120 HDD won't have lines also when it is delivered this Monday but why don't you provide pictures similar the the people having lines to make it easier for people to compare?

Regards :)

Ironic
Dec 12, 2008, 09:38 PM
it is very hard to shoot a screen I will try..

steffi
Dec 12, 2008, 09:56 PM
Well as soon as I became aware of this topic I went to my local Apple Store and checked out the one Rev B Air they had on display and it was not hard to notice the lines. I then check the Rev A and I too noticed the lines but not as easily. I came home and looked at my wifes Rev A and again I noticed lines on it again not as easy as the Rev B. Unfortunately I've since sold my Rev A so I don't know if there was any lines visible on it or not.

I've got a week 45, 128 SSD , 1.86. No lines. And have never seen them in the store either - I made a point of looking VERY closely.

Now, to be sure, like any LCD, if you examine the screen with your eyeball an inch away (or with a magnifying glass), you can see faint lines ... and, individual pixels for that matter!

Thus, I wonder how long it will be before we have someone who complains they can see these faint 'dots' (pixels) on their screen. That topic will then be bombarded when others also examine their screen with a magnifying glass and report the 'dots' and demand to have their 'defective' laptops replaced.

mhnajjar
Dec 12, 2008, 10:06 PM
Ironic, how about you try to push your screen all the way back and then take a photo at around 45 degree angle?

Thanks :)

Ironic
Dec 12, 2008, 10:18 PM
Ironic, how about you try to push your screen all the way back and then take a photo at around 45 degree angle?

Thanks :)


Here you go

Left is Mine, Right is what people are saying it looks like.

NC MacGuy
Dec 12, 2008, 10:21 PM
Mine looks like Ironics. No lines. Just pure MBAir bright, best display in Apples laptops goodness.:D

Ironic
Dec 12, 2008, 10:26 PM
I love my display, I also had the alum macbook, and this display is nicer, really didn't like the glass and black bezel.

tubbymac
Dec 12, 2008, 10:27 PM
For what it's worth, even though I don't have a Macbook Air, I've tried hard at the Apple Stores and Best Buy stores I've visited to find the horizontal lines. On at least 3 different rev A machines and 2 different rev B machines I couldn't find any lines no matter what angle or how close I put my nose to the screen.

Ironic
Dec 12, 2008, 10:29 PM
For what it's worth, even though I don't have a Macbook Air, I've tried hard at the Apple Stores and Best Buy stores I've visited to find the horizontal lines. On at least 3 different rev A machines and 2 different rev B machines I couldn't find any lines no matter what angle or how close I put my nose to the screen.I did the same thing as I want to see the problem and then I might understand the problem much better, but yet to find one.

arkhe
Dec 12, 2008, 10:35 PM
Hello

Besides McGilli, who else has ordered from the online store and who has purchased from a store (and which one, if you don't mind adding)?

arkhe
Dec 12, 2008, 10:38 PM
I did the same thing as I want to see the problem and then I might understand the problem much better, but yet to find one.

Ironic,

Don't know where you are located but I was there for Thanksgiving weekend and the sole Rev. B had the issue. They had a 1.6 Rev. A beside it and a unibody MacBook across from it, so it was easy to compare.

Of course, they could have swapped out the floor model by now, so... :-)

McGilli
Dec 12, 2008, 11:22 PM
I find it interesting too that a few people who have lines on their screens indicate that they get bad headaches when using the computer. It only seems to be a few people - but is that because their issue is severe, or they are just more temperamental? If it was a refresh rate issue I would understand it more - but onthe flip side :

When I am sick with a bad, bad cold - i CANNOT look at a lcd screen - whether it is a computer, or my LCD tv because it makes my head ache. and that is with all lcd devices that are operating normally and I can normally view without issue.

Lines on a creen? looks like parchment etc? then fine - you CAN look at that forever without getting headaches. headaches, while healthy seem to indicate something in the cycle of the lcd refresh rate - and not a processing defect of the screen material.

If everyone said we have lines - but that is it - no headaches - then i would say it is a defect in the processing of some of the screens.

but some people say they have headaches - and 'lines' don't cause headaches... unless u get a headache from looking at a paper notepad....

mhnajjar
Dec 12, 2008, 11:26 PM
Thanks Ironic. That looks perfect to me ;)

Ironic
Dec 13, 2008, 05:12 AM
Thanks Ironic. That looks perfect to me ;)
You are welcome, hard to shoot the screen, I hope others will post a picture or two of their perfect screen.

swede123
Dec 13, 2008, 07:05 AM
I find it interesting too that a few people who have lines on their screens indicate that they get bad headaches when using the computer. It only seems to be a few people - but is that because their issue is severe, or they are just more temperamental? If it was a refresh rate issue I would understand it more - but onthe flip side :

When I am sick with a bad, bad cold - i CANNOT look at a lcd screen - whether it is a computer, or my LCD tv because it makes my head ache. and that is with all lcd devices that are operating normally and I can normally view without issue.

Lines on a creen? looks like parchment etc? then fine - you CAN look at that forever without getting headaches. headaches, while healthy seem to indicate something in the cycle of the lcd refresh rate - and not a processing defect of the screen material.

If everyone said we have lines - but that is it - no headaches - then i would say it is a defect in the processing of some of the screens.

but some people say they have headaches - and 'lines' don't cause headaches... unless u get a headache from looking at a paper notepad....

Mine has barely noticable lines. I do get a headache after a while though. It has to do with the picture feeling "slightly out of focus" if that makes any sense, due to the lines i guess. The flicker test picture in some other thread does flicker also, that might be the cause. Still deciding if i'm gonna get it replaced as i got the free SSD upgrade...

h1d
Dec 13, 2008, 07:23 AM
Oh no, Ironic not only has horizontal lines but vertical lines! Joking aside... photos of perfect ones can be nice, never actually seen one. Ironic's one looks a bit too zoomed up and detailed, can even see every line of the cell.

Ironic
Dec 13, 2008, 07:33 AM
Oh no, Ironic not only has horizontal lines but vertical lines! Joking aside... photos of perfect ones can be nice, never actually seen one. Ironic's one looks a bit too zoomed up and detailed, can even see every line of the cell. First i shoot one farther away, then they wanted a macro, now you say its to close:rolleyes:
The last picture is just like the one posted with the lines same angle, if I had them they would show.

tigres
Dec 13, 2008, 08:57 AM
I have a week 46 with no lines and no issues.

I did send back my original that had a bad battery, but even that week 44 had a perfect screen.

I guess I have been lucky

StefanR.
Dec 13, 2008, 09:36 AM
we know already, and now?

it is very hard to shoot a screen I will try..

what is this? funny...

bbotte
Dec 13, 2008, 09:46 AM
Week 43 and I think I have some lines but they are so hard to see, I don't care. I have to actually think about seeing them.

h1d
Dec 13, 2008, 10:17 AM
Reading how some people even get a good display after a replacement and some get bad after several replacements, seems bad ones are made in group, just a guess. (or nvm, he got a working one at week 44/46, don't look like they are in any sort of a group.)

ulim
Dec 13, 2008, 10:25 AM
Can't see the lines even if I really try. My screen looks like Ironic's, if I get really close I can see the very fine mesh-like structure, just like on every other display. But from about a foot out this structure disappears and I have a fantastic screen - best I ever had on a laptop. Glossy, but very usable in sunlight and extensive viewing angles.

I was actually in the market for a MacBook, because of the additional connectors and features - who would want a laptop without Ethernet? A totally crazy thought to me. Also, two pounds here or there and a little thicker - what's the big deal? And, naturally, I was afraid of the lines.

Well, I took my girl to the Apple store and when I came out I had the Air. It's a keeper and so is she :)

Best of luck to all those, who have the lines - I know I would be devastated. Apple will do something, I'm sure, but it may take time.

Ulrich

Ironic
Dec 13, 2008, 10:50 AM
Can't see the lines even if I really try. My screen looks like Ironic's, if I get really close I can see the very fine mesh-like structure, just like on every other display. But from about a foot out this structure disappears and I have a fantastic screen - best I ever had on a laptop. Glossy, but very usable in sunlight and extensive viewing angles.

I was actually in the market for a MacBook, because of the additional connectors and features - who would want a laptop without Ethernet? A totally crazy thought to me. Also, two pounds here or there and a little thicker - what's the big deal? And, naturally, I was afraid of the lines.

Well, I took my girl to the Apple store and when I came out I had the Air. It's a keeper and so is she :)

Best of luck to all those, who have the lines - I know I would be devastated. Apple will do something, I'm sure, but it may take time.

Ulrich

Congrats, I am happy you bought the MBA . I had the New Alum Mackbook and it was great, but love the air and no glass to break.

frifra
Dec 13, 2008, 12:22 PM
So far it seems as if the screens which are (more likely) to be fine, are made in Week 43/44. Thats at least what I am hearing from you.

Could maybe other people with perfect screens also look for their week of production and post it? (So far I've not seen any week 47, 48, 49 with a perfect screen).

The MBA is state of the art, thats what makes such a big problem for me, seeing the lines.

A few words concerning the pictures: Thanks to Ironic for all his support and the pictures he took. Although I have to say one thing. I did have the lines on two MBAs (different Genius saw them too), BUT I couldn't take a picture on which you could see the lines. I tried everything: Canon, Panasonic, Fuji, different angle, w/o flash, different screen brightness, Macro Mode etc etc. And NOBODY so far has ever posted a picture of the lines from a MBA.

arkhe
Dec 13, 2008, 12:29 PM
I find it interesting too that a few people who have lines on their screens indicate that they get bad headaches when using the computer. It only seems to be a few people - but is that because their issue is severe, or they are just more temperamental? If it was a refresh rate issue I would understand it more - but onthe flip side :

When I am sick with a bad, bad cold - i CANNOT look at a lcd screen - whether it is a computer, or my LCD tv because it makes my head ache. and that is with all lcd devices that are operating normally and I can normally view without issue.

Lines on a creen? looks like parchment etc? then fine - you CAN look at that forever without getting headaches. headaches, while healthy seem to indicate something in the cycle of the lcd refresh rate - and not a processing defect of the screen material.

If everyone said we have lines - but that is it - no headaches - then i would say it is a defect in the processing of some of the screens.

but some people say they have headaches - and 'lines' don't cause headaches... unless u get a headache from looking at a paper notepad....

It's not the lines that are causing the headaches, it's the "flickering" that some screens have. It is similar to refresh rate strobing but it plays in the periphery of your vision on some of the MBA Rev. B screens. It is more noticeable on darker backgrounds.

It's odd, since Apple has good experience with sourcing and designing for LCD/LED screens and so I wouldn't have expected such an outcry about the screens!

Ironic
Dec 13, 2008, 12:47 PM
So far it seems as if the screens which are (more likely) to be fine, are made in Week 43/44. Thats at least what I am hearing from you.

Could maybe other people with perfect screens also look for their week of production and post it? (So far I've not seen any week 47, 48, 49 with a perfect screen).

The MBA is state of the art, thats what makes such a big problem for me, seeing the lines.

A few words concerning the pictures: Thanks to Ironic for all his support and the pictures he took. Although I have to say one thing. I did have the lines on two MBAs (different Genius saw them too), BUT I couldn't take a picture on which you could see the lines. I tried everything: Canon, Panasonic, Fuji, different angle, w/o flash, different screen brightness, Macro Mode etc etc. And NOBODY so far has ever posted a picture of the lines from a MBA.


It is very hard to get a good picture of the screen, took me a few shoots, IF someone that has lines, would try, that would be helpful.

frifra
Dec 15, 2008, 12:05 AM
It is very hard to get a good picture of the screen, took me a few shoots, IF someone that has lines, would try, that would be helpful.

I am sorry, dont missunderstand me. Its not hard to take a good picture of the screen for me. It was just impossible to take a picture with the lines.

Edit: Camera Info: 10 MP Canon Powershot, Fuji Finepix...

Ironic
Dec 15, 2008, 09:01 AM
I am sorry, dont missunderstand me. Its not hard to take a good picture of the screen for me. It was just impossible to take a picture with the lines.some might have a better camera that will take a picture, as I for one have never seen them.

Ironic
Dec 19, 2008, 07:26 PM
Any Photos?

The Toddfather
Dec 19, 2008, 09:48 PM
I'm starting to think some of those people on the other thread are seeing things. I don't doubt that there is a problem on some, but others talk about how they searched and searched and finally found something they think may be a problem.

I'm glad I don't know what it's like to wake up every day so I can find a way to make myself miserable like those sad souls.

Did I mention my MBA is flawless?

mhnajjar
Dec 20, 2008, 05:40 AM
I'm starting to think some of those people on the other thread are seeing things. I don't doubt that there is a problem on some, but others talk about how they searched and searched and finally found something they think may be a problem.

I'm glad I don't know what it's like to wake up every day so I can find a way to make myself miserable like those sad souls.

Did I mention my MBA is flawless?

I am glad for you. I was so happy that my MBA was flawless externally and even when I turned it on and noticed a huge light bleeding on top and bottom, I said to myself that is fine knowing how many bad MBAs (revA) I had last year. I was praying not to get horizontal lines but they were noticeable on the boot screen :(. Even the specialist was :eek: when I showed him my screen and brought me a replacement, but the manager asked him to have a genius look at it and then they decided that these lines are within specs :mad: ... :apple: sucks due to the way they are treating us. We are not supposed to get such flaws for what we are paying. How come a $300 NetBook does not suffer from any of these issues? This just shows how greedy Apple is and how they care about money more than our satisfaction.

If I had a flawed MBA, with semi-perfect screen, I might be happy but the lines are causing me headache whenever I try to read anything on light backgrounds, which is the case of 99% of available websites and documents.

Glad to hear that there are others who do not have the lines or at least do not see them, because sometimes not seeing is a blessing also :).

byte4byte
Dec 20, 2008, 07:38 AM
Hello,

I have ordered my MacBook Air (1.8 GHz, 120 GB) on the 21. October 2008 and I'm waiting and waiting for it to come.

Can anyone tell me, where the problem is, that apple don't ship the new MBA Rev.B to europe???

I'm from Vienna (Austria) and I ordered my MBA there at a "Apple Premium Reseller" store!

Maybe someone can give me any informations about that, because the shopman over there said always that he knew nothing at all.

thx

Olvenskol
Dec 20, 2008, 07:56 AM
I have an early one (week 3 or 4) and haven't experienced any problems with lines on the display. Nice, bright display for me.

Ironic
Dec 20, 2008, 08:00 AM
I'm starting to think some of those people on the other thread are seeing things. I don't doubt that there is a problem on some, but others talk about how they searched and searched and finally found something they think may be a problem.

I'm glad I don't know what it's like to wake up every day so I can find a way to make myself miserable like those sad souls.

Did I mention my MBA is flawless?

What get me is no pictures, I can take a picture of my screen with no lines, why cant someone take a few good pictures. Then to say we can't see them they are all flawed, thats funny.

I am glad for you. I was so happy that my MBA was flawless externally and even when I turned it on and noticed a huge light bleeding on top and bottom, I said to myself that is fine knowing how many bad MBAs (revA) I had last year. I was praying not to get horizontal lines but they were noticeable on the boot screen :(. Even the specialist was :eek: when I showed him my screen and brought me a replacement, but the manager asked him to have a genius look at it and then they decided that these lines are within specs :mad: ... :apple: sucks due to the way they are treating us. We are not supposed to get such flaws for what we are paying. How come a $300 NetBook does not suffer from any of these issues? This just shows how greedy Apple is and how they care about money more than our satisfaction.

If I had a flawed MBA, with semi-perfect screen, I might be happy but the lines are causing me headache whenever I try to read anything on light backgrounds, which is the case of 99% of available websites and documents.

Glad to hear that there are others who do not have the lines or at least do not see them, because sometimes not seeing is a blessing also :).
I do hope you get it fixed.

Hello,

I have ordered my MacBook Air (1.8 GHz, 120 GB) on the 21. October 2008 and I'm waiting and waiting for it to come.

Can anyone tell me, where the problem is, that apple don't ship the new MBA Rev.B to europe???

I'm from Vienna (Austria) and I ordered my MBA there at a "Apple Premium Reseller" store!

Maybe someone can give me any informations about that, because the shopman over there said always that he knew nothing at all.

thx

As far as I read, its everywhere, but I have yet to see one in person.

mhnajjar
Dec 20, 2008, 09:37 AM
For Ironic's pleasure only!

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=148624&d=1229432226

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=148625&d=1229432226

Ironic
Dec 20, 2008, 09:45 AM
Is that a MBA? Are you going to keep or replace it?

If you can take a picture, why is it no one else can? Hummmmmmmm

mhnajjar
Dec 20, 2008, 10:05 AM
Is that a MBA? Are you going to keep or replace it?

If you can take a picture, why is it no one else can? Hummmmmmmm

That is a 1.6/120 MBA that I tried to replace but is "within specs" according to the sh**heads at the Apple store!

Again, I am one of many that were able to take pictures and show their screens to many Apple employees and they seem to be fine by saying "within specs" as if we are seeing such issues on other LCDs but the ones used by Apple!!!

Ironic
Dec 20, 2008, 10:09 AM
That is a 1.6/120 MBA that I tried to replace but is "within specs" according to the sh**heads at the Apple store!

Again, I am one of many that were able to take pictures and show their screens to many Apple employees and they seem to be fine by saying "within specs" as if we are seeing such issues on other LCDs but the ones used by Apple!!!
Do you also have the flickering?
write to sjobs@apple.com and they will replace it.

mhnajjar
Dec 20, 2008, 10:44 AM
Do you also have the flickering?
write to sjobs@apple.com and they will replace it.

Yes I have the flickering and I do not believe in writing to Steve since I already did and I did not get any response. The best way to do it, is to go to another Apple store and try my luck there. This time, I will return it for sure and this might be my last Apple laptop unless Apple take these issues in consideration.

Ironic
Dec 20, 2008, 10:50 AM
Yes I have the flickering and I do not believe in writing to Steve since I already did and I did not get any response. The best way to do it, is to go to another Apple store and try my luck there. This time, I will return it for sure and this might be my last Apple laptop unless Apple take these issues in consideration.

Really? I always got a call withen 2 days, and they bend over backwards for me.
I do see your problem and I hope you can get a new one or get it fixed, I like having you around :)

ichigo11
Dec 20, 2008, 09:39 PM
Is that a MBA? Are you going to keep or replace it?

If you can take a picture, why is it no one else can? Hummmmmmmm

Because people are lazy and don't feel like they have to prove anything to you.

zer0tails
Dec 20, 2008, 11:35 PM
might be the screen coating that causes the lines.

tubbymac
Dec 21, 2008, 05:55 AM
Well now you can count me in the pool of people who originally did not see the lines or the flickering at an Apple Store and who was now seen the flickering and the lines at a different Apple Store.

The first time around I wasn't really checking carefully though. I was loading random web sites and applications trying to see the problem. Last night I was much more careful and did exactly what another user posted and was able to reproduce the problem. Could be that the first time around I saw a perfect machine and the second time around I saw a bad machine, but it's left me wary of the displays for now.

Now that I definitely know what it looks like, if I can find another machine without the problem then I'd be a little less wary.

Ironic
Dec 21, 2008, 08:19 AM
I really don't think IF the problem is true, it's that bad, some people are born whiners.
No matter what, you can't please everyone.

As for looking I have seen about 10, and no lines on any.

mhnajjar
Dec 21, 2008, 08:32 AM
I really don't think IF the problem is true, it's that bad, some people are born whiners.
No matter what, you can't please everyone.

As for looking I have seen about 10, and no lines on any.

I am sorry to say then that you DO have the lines but your eyes are not good enough to see them!

I have not seen any without lines. Actually, I even have he lines in the lately produced revA which share the same LCD manufacturer with revB.

You were not believing people and asking for pictures and after I showed you some pictures you are still questioning whether there is a problem or not :eek:. You make me sometimes think that there are two "Ironic" on these forums!

michaelffm
Dec 21, 2008, 08:34 AM
As for looking I have seen about 10, and no lines on any.
The lines are not the problem - the flickering is

Ironic
Dec 21, 2008, 08:36 AM
I am sorry to say then that you DO have the lines but your eyes are not good enough to see them!

I have not seen any without lines. Actually, I even have he lines in the lately produced revA which share the same LCD manufacturer with revB.

You were not believing people and asking for pictures and after I showed you some pictures you are still questioning whether there is a problem or not :eek:. You make me sometimes think that there are two "Ironic" on these forums!
I do think there are some out there and have perfect vision, but every store I have checked , and my son's MBA have no lines, I work with photos daily, if A line was there I would see it, But I do think others, might need some glasses.

Airforcekid
Dec 21, 2008, 02:24 PM
:apple:I had them but had it replaced it wasn't that bad its just when you buy something new you want it perfect!:apple:

Ironic
Dec 21, 2008, 02:43 PM
:apple:I had them but had it replaced it wasn't that bad its just when you buy something new you want it perfect!:apple:
So your replacement is perfect?

chris11
Dec 22, 2008, 09:25 AM
Macro pics of your screen, please?:)

Hi,

took some time, but here we go.

This is a 1.86/128GB model without lines.

The screen is:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 00009C9A
Manufacture Date: C2486D00

Attached is a closeup of the screen (luminosity 3 or so (don't remember exactly) notches below max). There's some color noise and some mild
moire effect due to the (cheap) camera. But, no lines :)

Bye,
Chris

Ironic
Dec 22, 2008, 09:42 AM
Another perfect macbook air, welcome to the club :)

The Toddfather
Dec 22, 2008, 03:38 PM
Hi,

took some time, but here we go.

This is a 1.86/128GB model without lines.

The screen is:
Manufacturer: 00000610
Model: 00009C9A
Manufacture Date: C2486D00

Attached is a closeup of the screen (luminosity 3 or so (don't remember exactly) notches below max). There's some color noise and some mild
moire effect due to the (cheap) camera. But, no lines :)

Bye,
Chris

Be careful, there are several on this site who will claim they see lines on your computer, even though it may be sitting in front of you and there are no lines. These people wake up every morning trying to make everyone they come in contact with as miserable as they are.

Congratulations on your MBA, it's truly the best looking Mac out there!

Ironic
Dec 22, 2008, 03:45 PM
Be careful, there are several on this site who will claim they see lines on your computer, even though it may be sitting in front of you and there are no lines. These people wake up every morning trying to make everyone they come in contact with as miserable as they are.

Congratulations on your MBA, it's truly the best looking Mac out there!

Yes , I do think a few are out there.
We have posted pictures of our lineless MBA, however they WARN everyone they are all bad, yea right!:cool:
Don't hate us because we have perfect Macbook Airs!
Did I say Perfect!

The Toddfather
Dec 24, 2008, 09:42 AM
Yes , I do think a few are out there.
We have posted pictures of our lineless MBA, however they WARN everyone they are all bad, yea right!:cool:
Don't hate us because we have perfect Macbook Airs!
Did I say Perfect!

More and more people with perfect screens on the other thread! I thought that thread was just for people to piss and moan about the MBA? It's nice to see posters who aren't just whining.

Ironic
Dec 24, 2008, 09:47 AM
More and more people with perfect screens on the other thread! I thought that thread was just for people to piss and moan about the MBA? It's nice to see posters who aren't just whining.Yea I thought a perfect screen didn't exists? Wow funny we Knew we had them, now all they can say is wow. LOL

Yep, Like I said in the first place just a few people may have lines.

shokunin
Dec 24, 2008, 10:04 AM
I have lines, here's what they look like on my screen. The bands look thicker than they really are, especially since this is pretty large enlargement of one area of my screen.

You can see the banding/lines angling downwards from left to right. I drew a black line to illustrate the angle

I'm glad there are screens out there without the lines issue as that gives me hope that this can be remedied.

http://www.kiso.net/images/mbalines.jpg

Loki.Mephisto
Dec 24, 2008, 10:22 AM
Yes , I do think a few are out there.
We have posted pictures of our lineless MBA, however they WARN everyone they are all bad, yea right!:cool:
Don't hate us because we have perfect Macbook Airs!
Did I say Perfect!
Wrong. It´s correct to warn everyone, coz with the exception of few, the vast majority of MBAs is affected (even Apple agrees to this and investigates). Please note: Just because your eyes are obviously not the best and therefore cannot see the lines (of have just decided to ignore them) doesn´t mean they are not there. They are, and i have not seen one without them.

btw, noone hates you. Hovewer, for a good reason some believe your´e just posting ridiculous things, that´s why your´e accused of not being impartial.

However, noone´s whining. But there are people out the who demand good products for good money and deny to accept crappy stuff. It seems, the sole reason for you accepting bad products is they are produced by Apple. Not a very good reason.

The strange thing concerning this thread is: noone finds arguments here. All you do is insulting people and complaining and whining around because some (oh-so-bad-bad) guys are discussing facts, as there are: MBA displays have faults like lines, grey textures and flickering.

Very, very bad style! :(

Ironic
Dec 24, 2008, 10:39 AM
Wrong. It´s correct to warn everyone, coz with the exception of few, the vast majority of MBAs is affected (even Apple agrees to this and investigates). Please note: Just because your eyes are obviously not the best and therefore cannot see the lines (of have just decided to ignore them) doesn´t mean they are not there. They are, and i have not seen one without them.

btw, noone hates you. Hovewer, for a good reason some believe your´e just posting ridiculous things, that´s why your´e accused of not being impartial.

However, noone´s whining. But there are people out the who demand good products for good money and deny to accept crappy stuff. It seems, the sole reason for you accepting bad products is they are produced by Apple. Not a very good reason.

The strange thing concerning this thread is: noone finds arguments here. All you do is insulting people and complaining and whining around because some (oh-so-bad-bad) guys are discussing facts, as there are: MBA displays have faults like lines, grey textures and flickering.

Very, very bad style! :(

My Eyes are fine, if not I would not be in the line I am in.
As for the lines, yea some have them and some are seeing thing, sorry thats the way myself and many others see it.

This thread was made for people who Have perfect MBA's and to talk about what we think the problem is.

Ironic
Dec 24, 2008, 10:46 AM
If its bad return it, get something else, end of story!

ulim
Dec 24, 2008, 11:48 AM
What do you guys make of the picture posted above? There appears some banding, running over the screen - but not lines. I thought what was referred to as "line problem" were actual lines giving the appearance of parchment, but now this picture seems to suggest the problem is one of banding??

Ulrich

Ironic
Dec 24, 2008, 12:10 PM
What do you guys make of the picture posted above? There appears some banding, running over the screen - but not lines. I thought what was referred to as "line problem" were actual lines giving the appearance of parchment, but now this picture seems to suggest the problem is one of banding??

Ulrich
I agree another member posted lines, this looks like another issue, not the line issue

jtmav
Dec 24, 2008, 12:31 PM
What do you guys make of the picture posted above? There appears some banding, running over the screen - but not lines. I thought what was referred to as "line problem" were actual lines giving the appearance of parchment, but now this picture seems to suggest the problem is one of banding??

Ulrich
I agree. I came from a VAIO SZ which had the banding problem. Sony replaced the screen and all was well, but that sure looks like the problem I had with my previous Sony. My Rev B 1.8 SSD has no such issue. I downloaded a dead pixel program and after running that I believe to be fortunate enough to have a perfect screen. The use of the term lines made me think this was a different issue, but banding is not unusual with these types of displays.

JTMav

afi133
Dec 24, 2008, 05:11 PM
What do you guys make of the picture posted above? There appears some banding, running over the screen - but not lines. I thought what was referred to as "line problem" were actual lines giving the appearance of parchment, but now this picture seems to suggest the problem is one of banding??

Ulrich

Are you talking about the alternating blue lines? That's the refresh of the screen. If you're talking about the patchwork look, that looks like the Moire effect. Other than that, I can't really see any lines even when looking closely near the indicated black line. :confused:

McGilli
Dec 24, 2008, 05:53 PM
http://www.kiso.net/images/mbalines.jpg


I am looking at this on a 20" iMac and could not see anything- until I walked away - and if I stand like 4 or 5 feet away from my computer and look at this picture - then I can see the horizontal lines running across the picture. Not really clearly - but they are there on the picture.

Anyways - my MBA has nothing like that.

Ironic
Dec 24, 2008, 06:19 PM
I am looking at this on a 20" iMac and could not see anything- until I walked away - and if I stand like 4 or 5 feet away from my computer and look at this picture - then I can see the horizontal lines running across the picture. Not really clearly - but they are there on the picture.

Anyways - my MBA has nothing like that.

Most Airs are OK, you can keep looking, but nothing, then they tell us our eyes are bad.lol

The Toddfather
Dec 31, 2008, 09:23 AM
It seems as though many people on the other thread have purchased MBAs with no issues, hopefully we can put this silliness to rest.

That70sGAdawg
Dec 31, 2008, 10:18 AM
I bought a Rev. B 1.6 120HDD two days ago at a local Apple store- Perfect Screen- NO LINES.
I sold my Rev.A on ebay last week and this solves my only gripes with the Rev. a (Small HD, bad video streaming).:cool:

A HAPPY CAMPER!

Kan-O-Z
Dec 31, 2008, 12:59 PM
I am looking at this on a 20" iMac and could not see anything- until I walked away - and if I stand like 4 or 5 feet away from my computer and look at this picture - then I can see the horizontal lines running across the picture.

You hit the nail on the head. This is why this issue is being debated over and over. The thing is, the lines are very hard to see. On my MBA, I only see them at 1 ft away and only at a certain angle. When I get closer than that, I dont see it. When I get further than that, I don't see it. That's how hard they are to see. They are very faint too. You may actually wonder if you are imagining something but you're not because you won't find it on an external display or another computer.

Anyways I do think it's possible that some people here have the lines and don't see them. I have seen them on every MBA at the store as well as mine. I have a MBP and don't see it on there. Again it's very difficult to see to the point that you might as well just call it perfect or good enough! ;)

Kan-O-Z

Ironic
Dec 31, 2008, 04:38 PM
You hit the nail on the head. This is why this issue is being debated over and over. The thing is, the lines are very hard to see. On my MBA, I only see them at 1 ft away and only at a certain angle. When I get closer than that, I dont see it. When I get further than that, I don't see it. That's how hard they are to see. They are very faint too. You may actually wonder if you are imagining something but you're not because you won't find it on an external display or another computer.

Anyways I do think it's possible that some people here have the lines and don't see them. I have seen them on every MBA at the store as well as mine. I have a MBP and don't see it on there. Again it's very difficult to see to the point that you might as well just call it perfect or good enough! ;)

Kan-O-Z

I see the lines fine on the picture, Now the lines are changing into waves after a member said it was waves, No Line Waves or anything No problems at all only whiny people.

Many have perfect eyes and can see the pictures fine, Kinda think they need more then glasses.

Kan-O-Z
Jan 1, 2009, 04:08 PM
I see the lines fine on the picture, Now the lines are changing into waves after a member said it was waves, No Line Waves or anything No problems at all only whiny people.

Many have perfect eyes and can see the pictures fine, Kinda think they need more then glasses.

The lines are much harder to see in real life than in this picture. Again not to belabor the point but it's not a big deal at all since it's so hard to see...but it is there.

We both own MBAs and have seem multiple other MBAs as well. It's kind of strange that you have not seen the lines on ANY MBA and I have seen it on EVERY MBA. It's either one heck of a coincidence or we are just not seeing the same things.

Personally I want to see one that doesn't have the lines then I will believe they exist. I'm not trying to shoot down all of you that have perfect screens, I just need to see one for myself ;) I'm going to try out a second Apple store....the one close to my house has MBAs and they all have the same problem.

Kan-O-Z

Ironic
Jan 2, 2009, 12:39 PM
I am sure I would see them as i work with Photos all day.

glhiii
Jan 2, 2009, 01:14 PM
The lines are 100% unimportant -- at least for me. I have them, but they are quite faint and don't bother me at all. But the screen flickers -- that's the real problem, I think. If you look at desktopsplit-loginscreen.jpg 1440×960 pixels on the new MBA, you can see the flickering quite clearly. I suspect even those screens that are 100% free of lines have the flickering. It would be interesting to find out. The flickering makes it hard to stare at the screen intensively for extended periods.

Ironic
Jan 2, 2009, 01:40 PM
sorry to disappoint, no flickering at all have done 4 tests I am good!

McGilli
Jan 2, 2009, 02:37 PM
I suspect even those screens that are 100% free of lines have the flickering. It would be interesting to find out. The flickering makes it hard to stare at the screen intensively for extended periods.

GLHIII - Then if every screen has the flickering - and you are one of the only people who cannot stare at it for too long - the answer is simple.

maybe YOU are defective :) your internal refresh rate is off - since almost no one else has issues with their machines for long periods of time (again - going by you saying that every screen has the flickering issue)

Hey, people can be defective too! But Applecare won't cover that.

Ironic
Jan 2, 2009, 03:30 PM
Then if every screen has the flickering - and you are one of the only people who cannot stare at it for too long - the answer is simple.

YOU are defective. your internal refresh rate is off - since almost no one else has issues with their machines for long periods of time (again - going by you saying that every screen has the flickering issue)

Hey, people can be defective too! But Applecare won't cover that.

Yea, troll somewhere else, many have no flickering not just me...I never said every screen has flickering issues:)