media correspondent throws shoes at President Bush

[stevegmu]

Would it be ok if that same reporter threw a shoe at Obama?

This lot would call for the death penalty in such a case.

[skunk]

Would it be ok if that same reporter threw a shoe at Obama?
Why would he?

This lot would call for the death penalty in such a case.Which "lot"? Have you any evidence for this?

[dukebound85]

Good to see he's going to get released.

Your usage of the word "threatening" is disingenuous at best.

throwing a shoe at a president is threatening. its agression towards a head of state

i suppose husbands that merely shake their wives intensly arent threatening either as the actual act is relatively harmless. its the aggression of acting out thats threatening and you DO NOT do that to heads of states

give me a break:rolleyes:

[stevegmu]

If the secret service had done their job properly, he would have been shot.

[skunk]

throwing a shoe at a president is threatening. its agression towards a head of state

i suppose husbands that merely shake their wives intensly arent threatening either as the actual act is relatively harmless. its the aggression of acting out thats threatening and you DO NOT do that to heads of statesThis was not the head of the Iraqi state, this was a man who instigated an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign state for no good reason and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of the reporter's compatriots. Having to dodge a shoe was the very least he deserved.

[Eraserhead]

Would it be ok if that same reporter threw a shoe at Obama?

Shoes aren't known as deadly weapons, so I think it probably should result in some punishment (as it does pose more of a threat than an egg), but prison does seem a little harsh.

I don't think the punishment he has actually received seems totally out of proportion.

[dukebound85]

This was not the head of the Iraqi state, this was a man who instigated an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign state for no good reason and caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of the reporter's compatriots. Having to dodge a shoe was the very least he deserved.

i guess i need to explicitly say President for you don't i

You do not do that to foereign diplomats. to tolerate it is despicable

[Eraserhead]

If someone threw a shoe at Prince Philip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_philip) for saying something racist in a foreign country, I have to admit I'd find it highly amusing (as long as he wasn't seriously hurt).

[skunk]

You do not do that to foreign diplomats. to tolerate it is despicableYou do not invade foreign countries. If you do so you forfeit any privileged status, certainly within that country. This is not diplomacy.

[dukebound85]

You do not invade foreign countries. If you do so you forfeit any privileged status, certainly within that country. This is not diplomacy.

Too bad the world doesnt go by your playbook then huh

Reality is that you DO NOT do that to foereign heads of state, despite what you feel is appropraite

[skunk]

Too bad the world doesnt go by your playbook then huh

Reality is that you DO NOT do that to foereign heads of state, despite what you feel is appropraiteToo bad the reporter proved you wrong.

[hulugu]

This lot would call for the death penalty in such a case.

Another game of hypocrisy hockey? Oh joy!

Too bad the world doesnt go by your playbook then huh

Reality is that you DO NOT do that to foereign heads of state, despite what you feel is appropraite

Think of it Bush, regardless of his intent, started a war that killed thousands, wounded thousands more, and nearly put the country into an internecine civil war. And this journalist's response was to pitch a wingtip? Really, if you read the stories that this guy covered, I'd think him throwing a shoe might have been the most sane thing anyone's ever done.

I'm beginning to think that foreign heads of state should be required to duck a shoe or a pie once in a while. They're treated with far too much deference that they don't deserve.

[dukebound85]

Too bad the reporter proved you wrong.

That explains why he was arrested? Sounds like not tolerating it to me. Hardly proving me wrong

From what I gather, you would be ok with him not being arrested in the first place and allow him to remain in the room as according to you, Bush forfeited all status of priveldge


Think of it Bush, regardless of his intent, started a war that killed thousands, wounded thousands more, and nearly put the country into an internecine civil war. And this journalist's response was to pitch a wingtip? Really, if you read the stories that this guy covered, I'd think him throwing a shoe might have been the most sane thing anyone's ever done.

I'm beginning to think that foreign heads of state should be required to duck a shoe or a pie once in a while. They're treated with far too much deference that they don't deserve.

I never said the war was justified nor am I defending it

My point is you do not assert aggression against foreign diplomats and any actions doing so should not be tolerated, deserving or not in a civil setting as this was

[hulugu]

...I never said the war was justified nor am I defending it

My point is you do not assert aggression against foreign diplomats and any actions doing so should not be tolerated, deserving or not

I understood your point. But, I'd argue that diplomats, heads-of-state, etc. exist in a bubble, and that someone popped that bubble by doing something rather innocuous may not be such a bad thing. And, I disagree with your framing by calling the act "aggression." Certainly, it was provocative, but you make it sound like the journalist came at Bush with a sword.

[yg17]

If the secret service had done their job properly, he would have been shot.

If the Secret Service didn't shoot the morons who brought loaded assault rifles to presidential town halls, they're not going to shoot someone who throws a shoe.

[zap2]

This lot would call for the death penalty in such a case.

These types of statements make you seem unreasonable

[stevegmu]

If the Secret Service didn't shoot the morons who brought loaded assault rifles to presidential town halls, they're not going to shoot someone who throws a shoe.

No such thing ever happened.

[stevegmu]

These types of statements make you seem unreasonable

What, the truth?

[NT1440]

This lot would call for the death penalty in such a case.

You mean the lot that has been pointing out since the existence of this thread that the man THREW A SHOE, which is nothing but a symbolic gesture.

You mean those guys right? :rolleyes:

Edit: The truth, right. Is there a reason why you like to be proven wrong? Look back through this thread and read up mine and other scary libruls and see what we thought about merely throwing a shoe.

[NT1440]

Reality is that you DO NOT do that to foereign heads of state, despite what you feel is appropraite

Anyone else laugh (sadly) that this exact sentence pretty much sums up Bush's foreign policy?

[stevegmu]

You mean the lot that has been pointing out since the existence of this thread that the man THREW A SHOE, which is nothing but a symbolic gesture.

You mean those guys right? :rolleyes:

Yes, the very same who would cheer if President Bush were shot in the head.

[yg17]

No such thing ever happened.

Yes it did.

[dukebound85]

Anyone else laugh (sadly) that this exact sentence pretty much sums up Bush's foreign policy?

Doesn't EVERY country engage in actions that they feel appropriate at the time?.....:cool:

[NT1440]

Yes, the very same who would cheer if President Bush were shot in the head.

What is wrong with you? Why do you have this world view stuck in your head and no matter what evidence to the contrary is provided, you disregard entirely?

Who would honestly cheer at a murder?

[stevegmu]

Yes it did.

Really? Post a link showing someone, who is not a police or secret service, at a Presidential town hall with a gun.

[yg17]

Really? Post a link showing someone, who is not a police or secret service, at a Presidential town hall with a gun.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html

The caption on the picture: A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault weapon) on a strap over his shoulder.

[NT1440]

Doesn't EVERY country engage in actions that they feel appropriate at the time?.....:cool:

Yes but MOST of them act in accordance with there own countries laws.....

[stevegmu]

Who would honestly cheer at a murder?

The far left.

[NT1440]

The far left.

Tell me, who in this country is a leftist?

[stevegmu]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html

The caption on the picture: A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault weapon) on a strap over his shoulder.

He was never at the town hall rally with the gun. He was well away from the federalized zone of protection.

[stevegmu]

Tell me, who in this country is a leftist?

Half the people on this forum.

[yg17]

He was never at the town hall rally with the gun. He was well away from the federalized zone of protection.

So he poses about the same level of threat as an unarmed reporter with a shoe, right? If this dumbass didn't go to jail, neither should the shoe thrower.

[NT1440]

Half the people on this forum.

Well, you got that right at least, but don't the majority of them not matter at all seeing as they aren't American?

[stevegmu]

So he poses about the same level of threat as an unarmed reporter with a shoe, right? If this dumbass didn't go to jail, neither should the shoe thrower.

What, he threw his gun at Obama? Is he a dumbass because he has a big, bad gun?

[yg17]

Tell me, who in this country is a leftist?


To him, anyone to the left of Saint Ronnie.

[AP_piano295]

Well, you got that right at least, but don't the majority of them not matter at all seeing as they aren't American?

Non Americans cannot have political views...political views are reserved for people.

[NT1440]

Non Americans cannot have political views...political views are reserved for people.

Ah I see, carry on then, that explains it.

[it5five]

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html

The caption on the picture: A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault weapon) on a strap over his shoulder.

You fell right into his trap, yg17. If you pay attention to stevegmu's posts, you will notice he lays clever word traps that he can use to escape a failing argument.

Notice, he said:

Really? Post a link showing someone, who is not a police or secret service, at a Presidential town hall with a gun.

Now, to a reasonable reader, "at a Presidential town hall" would certainly include any protesters outside of the event. But stevegmu purposefully left the definition of "Presidential town hall" rather broad so when someone would post evidence of someone at a town hall with a weapon, he could narrow his definition to "win" that particular debate.

[NT1440]

You fell right into his trap, yg17. If you pay attention to stevegmu's posts, you will notice he lays clever word traps that he can use to escape a failing argument.

Notice, he said:



Now, to a reasonable reader, "at a Presidential town hall" would certainly include any protesters outside of the event. But stevegmu purposefully left the definition of "Presidential town hall" rather broad so when someone would post evidence of someone at a town hall with a weapon, he could narrow his definition to "win" that particular debate.

Thank god someone can point out his game in a better wording than I can!

Its funny that he thinks his "win" somehow ends the rational questions.

[Queso]

Yes, the very same who would cheer if President Bush were shot in the head.
Considering the "lefties" here wouldn't even cheer if Bush were sentenced to hang after being found guilty for war crimes, what ever gives you the idea that a simple assassination would cause joy?

Or are you just pulling prejudices out of your backside again?

[.Andy]

Half the people on this forum.
Less than most then ;)?