Porn in Microsoft's Seadragon!

[SFVCyclone]

Yes I know, hard to believe but its true!
Download Seadragon by microsoft then go to Browse Photosynth. Then the libraries named "home_two" and "home_s12" are full of it. This is ridiculous!

Some one is getting fired for this one! If apple is so tough on some developers yet not tough enough on Microsoft, they need to get their act together for sure. I have screen shots but dont believe me, see for yourself!

[italiano40]

i think someone in microsoft is going to have unhappy christmas

[.Andy]

I was on the fence about bothering with this but I've downloaded it now.

[jessica.]

Well I guess if there needs to be a reason to download an MS app to your iPhone, this will be it.

[bartelby]

I bet there is quite a lot on there if you went looking...

[jessica.]

My theories ...
This just became the App Store's #1 app.
Steve-o is currently patting himself on the back for that remote uninstall switch he tossed into the iPhone's OS.
Someone is getting fired.

[SFVCyclone]

Whats also funny is that the latest reviews on this app are mostly 5 stars :D

[jessica.]

App store ratings are useless on free apps. Any tool can download and write a one liner or a one word response for the sake of responding.

Porn aside, the ariel view of the earth is kickass!
I wish I could delete the porn though because I'm pretty sure it is not my cup-o-tea.

[The General]

App store ratings are useless on free apps. Any tool can download and write a one liner or a one word response for the sake of responding.

Porn aside, the ariel view of the earth is kickass!
I wish I could delete the porn though because I'm pretty sure it is not my cup-o-tea.

Yeah, it's actually a really cool app. The nekked chicks are just the icing on the cake. :D Some of the set is actually quite interesting. Clothes on, clothes off.

Of course, this stuff is user submitted. I could go submit ****** and it would show up in Seadragon.

EDIT: LOL it edited that word that starts with goat. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I could go post whatever I want and it would show up.

[nfl46]

WOOHOO! About time! :D

[mkrishnan]

I bet there is quite a lot on there if you went looking...

Seriously... pulling the plug on Seadragon because someone put porn on Photosynth is like pulling the plug on Youtube because someone uploaded illegal content. It's going to happen. I'm not sure that Seadragon will ultimately be of any real use to anyone, but certainly with any kind of hosting service like this, these things happen. Microsoft will need to ... improve their adult content detection, figure out what they want to do about having "adult" materials on their service (which Youtube does allow), etc, but otherwise, this is pretty meh.

[jessica.]

I don't think they'll pull the plug. I think someone is going to be in trouble though. I've been using it for a few minutes and I don't see the usefulness, but the google earth type thing is rather cool. That's pretty much it. I don't care to share tons of silly photos using their application. I think it's supposed to be similar to social networking, but I can't see how this would benefit anyone. Other than the teenage boys downloading it for the porn right now, that is. ;)

[robanga]

Not to be too much of a stickler about things but....

When did nude photography become "porn"?

Ah: nevermind, I went into another library and there is some of what qualifies for the latter there.

[mkrishnan]

I don't care to share tons of silly photos using their application. I think it's supposed to be similar to social networking, but I can't see how this would benefit anyone.

I don't think it's terribly useful right now, except that it's somewhat better than viewing most other online image collections from a mobile device. I think it's a much better experience, were my vacation photos on there, than e-mailing someone a Photobucket or Flickr link and having them view my images on those sites from their iPhone. If it added the ability to easily upload a collection of pics from the iPhone camera roll, so that I could upload my camera roll to a new subdirectory of my account with them and then send people a link by e-mail that would launch it in Seadragon, all from my iPhone, I think it would actually be pretty useful.

[SFVCyclone]

HAHA. The library of congress thing was cool. I was hoping the photosynth pictures were more like the desktop version where you can roam around in 3d.

BUT I hope this subject makes it to the bloggers. Whats worst is that the icons themselves for the libraries show it.

[munkery]

I bet there is quite a lot on there if you went looking...

Just checked, those two folders are the only items that I would qualify as porn as of right now. LOL.

[mkrishnan]

It also brings up the question of what the standards are... I just noticed that Youtube on the iPhone not only shows the Youtube-flagged "adult content," but doesn't even make you authenticate to see it (like the web Youtube interface does). Mobile Safari certainly is as happy to surf porn as anything else.

What exactly are the standards for Microsoft?

[munkery]

It is pretty bad that Microsoft created a product so open for the "competitors product." All kidding aside. They definitely need to put some sort of restriction on content as it appears individuals are using this as a hub for family photos.

[cjm3113]

If Apple lets you surf porn on Safari, an application that COMES on the phone. Why would Microsoft take heat for letting you see porn on an application that you choose to download?

[Tallest Skil]

What exactly are the standards for Microsoft?

Official Microsoft Software Testing Criteria:

Does it open successfully and stay open for up to five seconds?
Does it do at least some of what we told people it could do?
Does it do what it does do at least as slowly as the previous version?
Does it have clear error messages (http://media.techeblog.com/images/error_windows_1.jpg)?

If you were able to answer "Yes" to a minimum of none of these questions, your software is ready for printing.

[mkrishnan]

Official Microsoft Software Testing Criteria:

Nice. :p

I meant the standards Apple applies to Microsoft as an App Store vendor....

[ex8886]

There's also porn in safari . . .

[munkery]

If Apple lets you surf porn on Safari, an application that COMES on the phone. Why would Microsoft take heat for letting you see porn on an application that you choose to download?

I can see your point.

But, lets say someone you know post pics on seadragon. Then you give the phone to your young child to look at the pics in seadragon not knowing that there is adult content in the seadragon libraries. It is fairly easy for the child to stumble onto the porn.

Where as with safari at least they would accidentily have to put something relevant into the browser to get access to porn. The chances of which require them to somewhat know how to use a browser in the first place.

Seadragon is much simpler to navigate in that regard compared to safari.

[SFVCyclone]

If Apple lets you surf porn on Safari, an application that COMES on the phone. Why would Microsoft take heat for letting you see porn on an application that you choose to download?

AND also the fact that Apple was denying apps such as pull my finger simply because it was of limited functionality. It is now a top app BUT because there was so much pressure put on them by the bloggers and media.

[cjm3113]

I can see your point.

But, lets say someone you know post pics on seadragon. Then you give the phone to your young child to look at the pics in seadragon not knowing that there is adult content in the seadragon libraries. It is fairly easy for the child to stumble onto the porn.

Where as with safari at least they would accidentily have to put something relevant into the browser to get access to porn. The chances of which require them to somewhat know how to use a browser in the first place.

Seadragon is much simpler to navigate in that regard compared to safari.

First of all, I would say that it is not "too easy" to stumble upon the porn. I would bet that nobody here even knew it was there until this thread was made.

I am not saying it is a perfect situation, but I don't think Apple is in the position to say no.

[Maxington]

The Micro$oft monster strikes again... Someones going to have to answer for this

[Digipimp]

you mean its possible to view porn on the iphone at all? i always thought if i did bad stuff with my iphone that it would explode or melt.

[Kilamite]

Can someone upload some of this as err evidence?

[SFVCyclone]

First of all, I would say that it is not "too easy" to stumble upon the porn. I would bet that nobody here even knew it was there until this thread was made.

It was actually ridiculously easy to stumble across it. When I first saw it, it was near the top of the photosynth list. It appears to have move down the list. The library icons give it away.

[Darkspork]

Yes... evidence... I actually would like SOME proof. A blurred picture would suffice.

This is a bit disturbing, finding such things in specified folders. If there were one picture misplaced somewhere in a sea of perfectly PG, then I could understand... But TWO FOLDERS?

[munkery]

First of all, I would say that it is not "too easy" to stumble upon the porn. I would bet that nobody here even knew it was there until this thread was made.

That is kind of the point. I can't imagine any adult with young kids not knowing there is porn on the internet.

But I do think they would let their young child browse seadragon not knowing there is porn in the libraries. If that content is going to be allowed, it should be disclosed to users.

I don't have a problem with it being there but people should be made aware that it is accessible through the app.

[jessica.]

The folders appear to be gone, but I can attest to the OP's claim, there was porn on there.
This is the beauty of it all though, it being hosted on their servers means the folders can vanish without rhyme, reason, or warning.

[SFVCyclone]

Yes... evidence... I actually would like SOME proof. A blurred picture would suffice.

This is a bit disturbing, finding such things in specified folders. If there were one picture misplaced somewhere in a sea of perfectly PG, then I could understand... But TWO FOLDERS?

I took screen captures, but im not sure if macrumors would allow any linking to that stuff to show the iPhone or iPod touch impared.

[iObama]

If Apple lets you surf porn on Safari, an application that COMES on the phone.

Pun intended?

[SFVCyclone]

The folders appear to be gone, but I can attest to the OP's claim, there was porn on there.
This is the beauty of it all though, it being hosted on their servers means the folders can vanish without rhyme, reason, or warning.

Confirmed, they have disappeared. What a coincidence that they disappeared soon after the thread what created. Coincidence?:confused:

[bruinsrme]

This thread is comical.
The kids the kids, bahaaaaaahaaaaa.

heck if you want the latest free site just ask the KIDS.

[cjm3113]

Pun intended?

Hahaha, it was not.

[kas23]

Not to be too much of a stickler about things but....

When did nude photography become "porn"?

Ah: nevermind, I went into another library and there is some of what qualifies for the latter there.

Exactly. I haven't looked yet, but is this "hardcore" porn? If not, then it's likely just art. There are many professional photography websites that have nude photos and this is socially acceptable and it is not porn.

Even if it is porn, what's the BFD? Porn has been available through Safari since day one.

[kas23]

The Micro$oft monster strikes again... Someones going to have to answer for this

What's there to answer? There's plenty of photos of naked women on the internet. Is Apple going to slap someone's wrist for allowing Safari to be on the iPhone?

[ChrisN]

For a second I thought it was gone but its there, and Im just downloading to see what the excitement is about :)...


ChrisN

[yoyo5280]

picture or it didn't happen.

[ChrisN]

Confirmed, they have disappeared. What a coincidence that they disappeared soon after the thread what created. Coincidence?:confused:

Way to ruin it lol but I wouldn't of searched for it before this topic

ChrisN

[almostaskater62]

Exactly. I haven't looked yet, but is this "hardcore" porn? If not, then it's likely just art. There are many professional photography websites that have nude photos and this is socially acceptable and it is not porn.

Even if it is porn, what's the BFD? Porn has been available through Safari since day one.

i wouldn't call it "porn" really, but it's definitely not artistic nude photography. there were a few of women doing things to men

[TuffLuffJimmy]

i wouldn't call it "porn" really, but it's definitely not artistic nude photography. there were a few of women doing things to men

Then what would you call porn?

[cjm3113]

Porn: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement

[okatidubi]

edit: nevermind!

[Mr. Giver '94]

I guess they are gone....:(

Missed it..

[MadDog31]

Ya know, this thread is a big steaming pile of "Who Cares". Yay I can use Seadragon to view porn...woo hoo. I get the idea of protecting young kids, but surprisingly more often than not they know more about this stuff than their parents do. It's just a new generation.

Back before the Internets, people grew up looking at nasty African bush in National Geographic, and then it was finding those great reel-to-reel pornos, or the audio porn, and then VHS came out...yeah!

We're going to raise a nation of kids who don't know what sex is or what boobies are. Ah who am I kidding, most parents want it that way to protect their innocent Johnny or Julie.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I guess they are gone....:(

Missed it..

It's been a rough day for everyone :(

[Mr. Giver '94]

It's been a rough day for everyone :(

:D

[The General]

There were several explicit photos that would be considered pornography to anyone with half a brain stem. A few showing oral sex, intercourse, semen, etc. But the majority of it was mostly nude art and/or just nude pictures of women.

I have a screenshot but I probably shouldn't post it for obvious reasons.

[.adam]

There were several explicit photos that would be considered pornography to anyone with half a brain stem. A few showing oral sex, intercourse, semen, etc. But the majority of it was mostly nude art and/or just nude pictures of women.


I love it when you talk dirty.

[edesignuk]

I'm struggling to understand why no one has posted links to screen shots of said Microsoft naughtiness. For shame.

[xUKHCx]

I'm struggling to understand why no one has posted links to screen shots of said Microsoft naughtiness. For shame.

The only screenshot I took was this one, but you get the idea

[flyguy451]

The photo libraries are now gone. :(

[hazza.jockel]

the question is: are there more folders with porn in them?

[kas23]

the question is: are there more folders with porn in them?

Cool! This is turning out to be like the treasure hunt from the Goonies!

[jessica.]

Exactly. I haven't looked yet, but is this "hardcore" porn? If not, then it's likely just art. There are many professional photography websites that have nude photos and this is socially acceptable and it is not porn.

Even if it is porn, what's the BFD? Porn has been available through Safari since day one.I wouldn't call multiple shots of chicks taking it all in art.

Ya know, this thread is a big steaming pile of "Who Cares". Yay I can use Seadragon to view porn...woo hoo. I get the idea of protecting young kids, but surprisingly more often than not they know more about this stuff than their parents do. It's just a new generation.

Back before the Internets, people grew up looking at nasty African bush in National Geographic, and then it was finding those great reel-to-reel pornos, or the audio porn, and then VHS came out...yeah!

We're going to raise a nation of kids who don't know what sex is or what boobies are. Ah who am I kidding, most parents want it that way to protect their innocent Johnny or Julie.
Soapbox much? ;) I don't think any of us were inferring that this was so horriable, I did infer someone is in trouble and who knows if that's the case. I'll be quite honest with you, the main reason why this may stir something up on the MS side is it was pretty obvious of the whopping 10 shots I saw that not all of the ladies were over 18. If I have children the last thing I'd want is to expose them to that type of porn or any porn for that matter. Kids should learn about sex, but not by viewing multiple pictures of chicks doing the things they were doing.
Cool! This is turning out to be like the treasure hunt from the Goonies!
Kinda, but the Goonies didn't hunt for boobies ... they set boobie traps!

[xUKHCx]

A friend of mine reported this matter to apple and this is the response they got:


I understand that when you accessed the application "Seadragon" you found that you could access porn and this is not right, as one of the premises of the App Store was no porn. I can imagine how frustrating this may be, xxxxxx, so thank you for your patience. My name is xxxxxx and I would do my best to assist you with this issue as soon as possible.

xxxxxxx, finding a solution for you is important to me, so I have requested assistance with the issue you reported. You will receive an email after the matter has been investigated and further information is available.

[Tallest Skil]

A friend of mine reported this matter to apple and this is the response they got:

Even though it's a form reply, now that Apple knows about it...

There. Will. Be. Steve.


('s wrath)

[kas23]

A friend of mine reported this matter to apple and this is the response they got:

There always has to be a party pooper!

[xUKHCx]

There always has to be a party pooper!

It's not like porn isn't hard to find on the internet. :rolleyes:


I understand that you have some concern regarding some users posting their pornographic pictures onto the "Browse Photosynth" section of the application "Seadragon Mobile". I can certainly understand your concern in this matter and you are correct that pornography is against our terms for application developers.

I'm sorry to learn that this item did not meet the standard of quality you have come to expect from the iTunes Store. I have submitted this item for investigation. Apple takes the quality of the items offered on the iTunes Store seriously and will investigate the issue with this item, but I can't say exactly when the issue will be resolved.

Second email, in a rather short amount of time (seems like they are taking this seriously).

[MikePA]

Even though it's a form reply, now that Apple knows about it...
Given the text of the message, how was this a 'form reply'?

[dejo]

A friend of mine reported this matter to apple and this is the response they got:
A friend of yours, huh? ;)

[xUKHCx]

A friend of yours, huh? ;)

Yeah, if you knew me at all you would know that I would never be bothered with such a thing.

[munkery]

Ya know, this thread is a big steaming pile of "Who Cares". Yay I can use Seadragon to view porn...woo hoo. I get the idea of protecting young kids, but surprisingly more often than not they know more about this stuff than their parents do. It's just a new generation.

Back before the Internets, people grew up looking at nasty African bush in National Geographic, and then it was finding those great reel-to-reel pornos, or the audio porn, and then VHS came out...yeah!

We're going to raise a nation of kids who don't know what sex is or what boobies are. Ah who am I kidding, most parents want it that way to protect their innocent Johnny or Julie.

Too some degree, you are correct. There is some evidence that overly restricting access to sexual imagery can be unhealthy, especially for adolescents.

What matters is the nature of the content; specifically, a lot of porn at this point in time has violent tones to it. If you want to understand why that is look up "Two-factor theory of arousal."

If users are free to post whatever they want, then unhealthy pornographic imagery can be posted and then viewed by those who have not yet built a framework for what is healthy sexual activity.

Who cares if there is access to porn in the app. Everyone knows you can get porn through the internet. I doubt most people thought this app had a range of content that parallels the internet. Given that it does have such a range of content, users should be made aware that such content is available with some sort of disclaimer.

[SFVCyclone]

Who cares if there is access to porn in the app. Everyone knows you can get porn through the internet. I doubt most people thought this app had a range of content that parallels the internet. Given that it does have such a range of content, users should be made aware that such content is available with some sort of disclaimer.

The issue to the companies, Apple and Microsoft, is that if porn appears on applications they created it appears as if they are the providers of it. Why do you think you don't see an adult section of movies in the iTunes store?

[Daremo]

I wouldn't call multiple shots of chicks taking it all in art.

I wouldn't call what Picasso put out "art", but my opinion doesn't matter either.

Personal opinion aside, Art is an expression. If this is how she "expressed" herself, then by definition, it's "Art."

[Daremo]

The issue to the companies, Apple and Microsoft, is that if porn appears on applications they created it appears as if they are the providers of it. Why do you think you don't see an adult section of movies in the iTunes store?

There's a huge hole in this theory. By this logic, then the Safari Web Browser should be deleted, because I can find porn on this application that apple created, so they are a provider of it.

[SFVCyclone]

There's a huge hole in this theory. By this logic, then the Safari Web Browser should be deleted, because I can find porn on this application that apple created, so they are a provider of it.

The hole may be that they are both applications but one is a general web browser that receives information from servers around the world and the other receives information from specific servers owned by Microsoft.

[Daremo]

The hole may be that they are both applications but one is a general web browser that receives information from servers around the world and the other receives information from specific servers owned by Microsoft.

Well, then using the server logic, Apple should delete the .me email accounts. People can send porn and it's stored on Apples server.

I'm not supporting porn on the app. My point is, too many people try to regulate and police. If rules are going to be set, then they need to be set the same across the board, with no wiggle room. Microsoft did not release a porn app. Users put it there. There's been TONS of porn on apps like ZinTin since day one, and not one person has made a thread about it (to my knowledge). It's Microsoft, so people are quick to the attack.

"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

[iTeen]

yea, there must be a ton on there.
it took me about 2 min before i found some more.
:p

[cjm3113]

Well, then using the server logic, Apple should delete the .me email accounts. People can send porn and it's stored on Apples server.

I'm not supporting porn on the app. My point is, too many people try to regulate and police. If rules are going to be set, then they need to be set the same across the board, with no wiggle room. Microsoft did not release a porn app. Users put it there. There's been TONS of porn on apps like ZinTin since day one, and not one person has made a thread about it (to my knowledge). It's Microsoft, so people are quick to the attack.

"All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."

Thsi is exactly it. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple and the iPhone as much as the rest of you, but why try to hold Microsoft liable for its users actions.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I wouldn't call what Picasso put out "art", but my opinion doesn't matter either.

Personal opinion aside, Art is an expression. If this is how she "expressed" herself, then by definition, it's "Art."

Are you serious? You're calling all pornography art? That's a ridiculous technicality and you know it.

[cjm3113]

Are you serious? You're calling all pornography art? That's a ridiculous technicality and you know it.

Is calling a movie art ridiculous? The art may not be suitable for families, but it could definitely be considered "art."

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Is calling a movie art ridiculous? The art may not be suitable for families, but it could definitely be considered "art."

by that standard anything is art. I'm not saying art has to be approved by "the right people" but use some common sense. If something is meant specifically to make you blow a load you're going to have a hard time arguing that it's art to me.

[bradenwh]

by that standard anything is art. I'm not saying art has to be approved by "the right people" but use some common sense. If something is meant specifically to make you blow a load you're going to have a hard time arguing that it's art to me.

Well said. :D

[Night Spring]

I think you are working from somewhat different definitions of "art." Art can mean anything that takes some technical expertise to make. In that sense, yes, all porn is art, because you need to be able to handle a camera, no matter how poorly. But art can also mean something that has aesthetic value. Which, well, I've seen "artistic" porn, but I'd have to say that not all porn has aesthetic value, therefore not all porn is automatically "art."

[cjm3113]

by that standard anything is art. I'm not saying art has to be approved by "the right people" but use some common sense. If something is meant specifically to make you blow a load you're going to have a hard time arguing that it's art to me.

I'm not justifying its position in the application by saying it is art. I believe they are two different arguments.

1. It is not within Apple's responsibility to keep porn out of the application.
2. Porn is a form of art.

I think you are working from somewhat different definitions of "art." Art can mean anything that takes some technical expertise to make. In that sense, yes, all porn is art, because you need to be able to handle a camera, no matter how poorly. But art can also mean something that has aesthetic value. Which, well, I've seen "artistic" porn, but I'd have to say that not all porn has aesthetic value, therefore not all porn is automatically "art."

You are saying that it is not art based on your opinion. I would say that there is somebody in the world who would find every piece of pornography aesthetically pleasing, therefore it is all art.

As I have said before, I don't think the fact that it is art has anything to do with this topic, but I do believe it is indeed art.

[Night Spring]

You are saying that it is not art based on your opinion. I would say that there is somebody in the world who would find every piece of pornography aesthetically pleasing, therefore it is all art.

I stand corrected. I should have said not all porn is art, according to my aesthetic standards. And I do think that all porn is art, in the sense that they require some level of technical expertise to make. I just think that, well... if only one out of, say, a 100 people find it aesthetic, then can we agree that it is less artistic than something that 90% find aesthetically pleasing?

[cjm3113]

I stand corrected. I should have said not all porn is art, according to my aesthetic standards. And I do think that all porn is art, in the sense that they require some level of technical expertise to make. I just think that, well... if only one out of, say, a 100 people find it aesthetic, then can we agree that it is less artistic than something that 90% find aesthetically pleasing?

Agreed. I think that can be said about most types of art, but as I said before, I don't think "being art" justifies its position in the application.

[Night Spring]

Agreed. I think that can be said about most types of art, but as I said before, I don't think "being art" justifies its position in the application.

Thanks. And I agree "being art" and inclusion in the app are separate issues. There are tons of movies rated R and above that are not only artistic, but also socially, morally and philosophically meaningful, but it won't be appropriate to show them to young children. I think Seadragon has great potential, but opening it up to let anyone post pictures to it seems to me a mistake. They should just limit this app to linking to selected high quality photos of historic, artistic and scientific interest. I find viewing low resolution photos on this app an unsatisfying waste of its capabilities. You zoom in and all you get are blurry dots!

[ghall]

Is it bad that I ran up to grab my iPod as soon as I read this thread?

[MikePA]

Some people are afraid to judge anything. It was porno, it wasn't art.

[pooryou]

Prudes should just mind their own business, and anyone with kids who just lets them play with open-ended software of any sort is asking for trouble and bears full responsibility, period.

[Daremo]

Are you serious? You're calling all pornography art? That's a ridiculous technicality and you know it.

Sorry to say, our opinions don't matter in what the definition of art is. You call it a ridiculous technicality, I call it definable. I don't have to like it, but just because I disagree, doesn't mean I'm right.

[Daremo]

Some people are afraid to judge anything. It was porno, it wasn't art.

The only people qualified to "Judge" are those who have become experts in the field. Otherwise, it just becomes someones opinion. Your "opinion" is noted. Your "fact" is wrong.

Art: The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Daremo]

I just think that, well... if only one out of, say, a 100 people find it aesthetic, then can we agree that it is less artistic than something that 90% find aesthetically pleasing?

This is also a skewed poll of percentage. Who are you asking? The ENTIRE worlds population? Or, 100 men? 100 women? Think of the demographic. Hell, watch Nightline and see how many dudes Chris Hanson nabs in a weekend. I bet ALL THOSE guys think it's art, and aesthetic. The porn industry makes HUGE money, and massive sales. I would have to think that using your theory, you might lose the fight.

[SFVCyclone]

The only people qualified to "Judge" are those who have become experts in the field. Otherwise, it just becomes someones opinion. Your "opinion" is noted. Your "fact" is wrong.

Art: The quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Different strokes for different folks.

OK, you can argue all you want of what is art. A guy stacking rocks in the middle of nowhere that no one but himself will ever see can be called art. BUT some of these pictures had the websites they were coming from on them. That is called advertising!

[Schtumple]

Ok, this thread needs to be laid to rest, come on, porn = art, art = everything, this has turned into the most boring flame war I've seen on here, and they aren't exactly heated flamewars to begin with...

[MikePA]

The only people qualified to "Judge" are those who have become experts in the field. Otherwise, it just becomes someones opinion. Your "opinion" is noted. Your "fact" is wrong.
I could not care less what you "note", I am not wrong and unlike you, I have morals and do not delegate determining what porno is to others. Determining the difference between right and wrong seems to be beyond the ability of at least 2 people in Chicago lately.

[hazza.jockel]

Who cares anyways. does it really matter if a kid sees porn when there 5 cause i guarantee any kid with an internet connection will have seen porn by 17. So its not really a big deal. There going to get exposed to sooner or later, who cares if its sooner?