New iMacs Shipping January 2009?

[MattInOz]

Why torture us like this?? :confused: I wish they would just announce what is coming and when.

Still wondering what everything thinks the price of the new Imac will be.

The general price points for the iMac have been pretty solid for about 4 years now. So unless your buying in another currency (like me) then it's a pretty safe bet. If you are in another country then it's going depend on what the market is going to do.

The top of the line will either have the best processor or there will be BTO option above it to keep the prices on point.

Well that's what history tells us (One of the many joys of being the token "IT guy" in a design office, watch iMac prices for deals)

[croy]

Well I am getting tired of waiting. I think I will pick up my 24" 2.8ghz iMac this weekend. Either way I will have a new computer, that I will enjoy for many years.

[xbjllb]

Never.

They wouldn't use a 32" screen, they don't use desktop GPUs, and Blu-ray won't be in Macs until 2015.

There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.

:apple:

[xbjllb]

I AM serious. And don't call me Shirley.

400GB Blu-ray disks go into production in 2012, a 1TB disk is expected for 2013. They are backwards compatible with existing players.

Please read this thread for WHY Blu-ray will take so long to get to Macs and WHY it will still be around in 2015.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=635530

I agree that Blu-ray will absolutely be around in 2015, but I can guarantee you Apple will not be around if they even dream of waiting half that long to incorporate it.

People pay a preminum for the cutting edge, or at least the appearance of cutting edge.

2015 ain't cutting edge; it's pathetic catchup.

:apple:

[iParis]

Well, tomorrow's a Tuesday. It would be perfect if we saw new Macs along with Obama going into office.

[Eidorian]

Well, tomorrow's a Tuesday. It would be perfect if we saw new Macs along with Obama going into office.It would definitely be a silent update. :p

[iParis]

It would definitely be a silent update. :p

I would assume so.

[patricem]

i checked again, almost all the models are in there ... (except 17" new mac book pro of course it is just introduced)

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY

i guess big clearance going on to get the CPU updates ...

There are a lot of refurbs in there....many GHz you don't generally see. Interesting.... !

[Yamcha]

wow yeah, there are a lot of refurbished ones going for sale.. hopefully this means updates end of this month :]

[NT1440]

There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.

:apple:

Anyone get a good laugh at that?: The notion that apple will die if they dont support bluray.. :p

[Tallest Skil]

There won't BE an Apple in 2015 in existence TO put Blu-ray in, should they be so moronically suicidal to wait that long.

:apple:

I agree that Blu-ray will absolutely be around in 2015, but I can guarantee you Apple will not be around if they even dream of waiting half that long to incorporate it.

People pay a preminum for the cutting edge, or at least the appearance of cutting edge.

2015 ain't cutting edge; it's pathetic catchup.

:apple:

Apple doesn't give a frick about Blu-ray, and you can't give me one good reason why not putting it in their computers would kill them.

[xbjllb]

Apple doesn't give a frick about Blu-ray, and you can't give me one good reason why not putting it in their computers would kill them.

I've done it again and again and again.

Go here (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/) and then tell me what happens to Apple when it loses 100% of its pro content creator base. And when sales of high end workstations go into the trash, because gamerz can't afford them. And what happens to overpriced iCrap without "Steve's coolness" once cheaper flashier competition appears.

If high end workstation sales of $10,000 and above PER SINGLE TRANSACTION weren't important to Apple, you wouldn't see all this BS (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/) about being cutting edge.

"Population one million. And FALLING." Because they can't deliver a GD Blu-ray disc to anyone without authoring, burning, and proofing it on WINDOZE.

And on the music side Logic is losing ground to ProTools on WINDOZE every day.

Apple's implementation of Blu-ray is PATHETHIC, and your nonstop defense of it is just plain ignorant. Or spin.

Stick with iFart.

:apple:

[99MustangGTman]

That would be nice.

[Tallest Skil]

Apple's implementation of Blu-ray is PATHETHIC, and your nonstop defense of it is just plain ignorant. Or spin.

I like how you've spun it that I'm defending them. That... that was a pun there... A play on words of that last sentence fragment which has nothing to do with any other part of your tattered argument.

Stick with iFart.

Stick with an argument that has any basis whatsoever. :confused:

[Mal]

I've done it again and again and again.

Go here (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/) and then tell me what happens to Apple when it loses 100% of its pro content creator base. And when sales of high end workstations go into the trash, because gamerz can't afford them. And what happens to overpriced iCrap without "Steve's coolness" once cheaper flashier competition appears.

If high end workstation sales of $10,000 and above PER SINGLE TRANSACTION weren't important to Apple, you wouldn't see all this BS (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/) about being cutting edge.

"Population one million. And FALLING." Because they can't deliver a GD Blu-ray disc to anyone without authoring, burning, and proofing it on WINDOZE.

And on the music side Logic is losing ground to ProTools on WINDOZE every day.

Apple's implementation of Blu-ray is PATHETHIC, and your nonstop defense of it is just plain ignorant. Or spin.

Stick with iFart.

:apple:

Blu-Ray authoring isn't a priority for Apple because the amount of sales it would generate isn't enough to justify the costs of implementing it. Not only that, but Apple would only lose 100% of their "pro content creator base" if they went out of business, and they've never cared about "gamerz" and rightly so.

I don't know why Logic and ProTools even came up, which is completely unconnected.

Oh, and Apple can't have a pathetic implementation of Blu-Ray, because they have so far decline to have any implementation. I personally have no problem with that, it's currently unnecessary.

They are selling plenty of machines, and will continue to do so, without your support.

jW

[Yamcha]

Its the 21st, no news of the new iMacs, i guess now we wait till the end of this month.. I've got a feeling they will come march :(

[SactoGuy18]

Its the 21st, no news of the new iMacs, i guess now we wait till the end of this month.. I've got a feeling they will come march :(

I still think in the new iMacs will use the Intel Core i7 CPU, the new Mac Pro uses the Gainestown version Xeon CPU, and the new Mac Mini uses the Dual Diamondville core Atom 330 CPU. I don't think the new Mac Mini will use the Pineview core Atom CPU because that won't be available until probably summer 2009.

[xbjllb]

Blu-Ray authoring isn't a priority for Apple because the amount of sales it would generate isn't enough to justify the costs of implementing it. Not only that, but Apple would only lose 100% of their "pro content creator base" if they went out of business, and they've never cared about "gamerz" and rightly so.

I don't know why Logic and ProTools even came up, which is completely unconnected.

If you can't figure out the link between pro video creators switching to Windoze to deliver Blu-ray and then going to pro audio creators who've left Apple for Windoze so THEY can create audio for video delivered on Blu-ray, and how one group of companies leaving Apple wouldn't cause another linked group of companies to also leave Apple, ...

Oh, and Apple can't have a pathetic implementation of Blu-Ray, because they have so far decline to have any implementation. I personally have no problem with that, it's currently unnecessary.

They are selling plenty of machines, and will continue to do so, without your support.

jW

First of all, they are NOT selling plenty of Mac Pros, and will continue to do so. Their higher end product is tanking, and it has nothing to do with the economy, but rather through arrogance in the face of the total ignorance of the pro content creator market you've displayed here.

If you are correct Apple won't be implementing Blu-ray ASAP, I'll meet you back here in two years to dance on Apple's grave.

And I won't be alone.

aH

:apple:

[WATCHDOG]

+++

Hi all, I'm a new guy to this forum.

Since I'm an atypicial Joe Consumer whose been looking to replace my terminally ill dual-processed G4 PowerMac (vintage 2002), I 'spose this iMac/xMac thread is as good a place to share my opinion as anywhere else on this most interesting Forum.

I'm impressed with the knowledge I've learned,
the wit I laugh with,
and the prognosticational attempts at seeing the future
from all us seer-wannabes here, and of which, this latter area,
I'd like to share some of my mind with y'all for your feedback, etc., etc.

+++

First of all, as we all know, Money is the name of the game,
and Money - the overall general lack of it thereof -
is the Big Elephant in the caverns of all bidnesses; including the big Apple.

In My Most Humble Opinion, almost every one had their future blueprint laid out on the table for all to see, including Apple, Intel, etc..

The unforseen recession/depression came like a torpedo in the night,
upsetting everyone's Applecart.

Apple, as you know, also panders to the Joe Customer who had sufficient pockets to purchase the neatest... even if it did cost a few more bucks.

Stop.

Q4'08 put a Money-hurtin' on everyone; Money which everyone needs...

You can't barely give anything away right now.

Fair to Middlin' Discounts are a heap big joke.

It's become tighten belt time.. DownSize, Slow the R&D

Halt Production of Newer Stuff (Say, like NextGen MacPro's and MBPros)
which costs the proverbial arm and a leg if you dare to think "maxed-out"..

Back to the Past..

Whereas a lot of focus (natch) is forever upon ever-progressed Technology,

(I want a pocketable camera that's as quality and versatile as anything the military has in their satellites. A veritable Hubble with a cleaner lens. I want a pocketable computer with a variable-size screen, which can beat Deep Blue in a chess match. The Everything Computer. 1 ounce. Max.)

the ROE (Reality Of Economics) at this juncture in history,
cannot be understated. Ever.

With dustballs flying out of our moth-ridden pockets,
suddenly, we just don't purchase Apple (or American) any more,
simply because we thought we must.

Nay.. Joe Consumer looks at, What Do We Actually Get For Our Buck?

And, Currently, MacPro's are out (I'd get one if I were a Trillionaire).
And so are MacBook Pro's...

So where does that leave me?

Thinking in terms of spending around a Thou or so, max,
but also, getting the most for my Moolah.

Not necessarily Bleeding Edge Tech,
but Not the Year before YesterYear's Tech either.

SO: Comparing: Speed, RAM, HD, Graphics Card.. That sort of thing.

When do we get to your Prognostication, Watchdog?

A) Real soon!

Even Apple needs Moolah... Cash Flow, specifically.

Otherwise, Even an Apple has been known to almost disappear..

Chances of that occuring ARE currently greater than, for instance,
all PC's vanishing too..

It's Mid-Jan, 2009, the Economy Woes are currently never-ending.

Sales have diminished; plummeted. Yet Sales MUST occur.. But How?

OK.. No Major New Super Expensive Mac Pro's, etc.; we've been through that

Here's the skippy.

Apple, Intel, have existing stocks of these and those components,
all of which make up a "computer"..

All they gots to do is to assemble an appealing product with existing stock.

OK.. Throw in a few new processors to keep Intel alive..

To acquire the necessity aka Cash Flow, 'tis necessary to sell.

Even at a reduced profit.. even at no profit.. even at (gasp!) a lo$$!

Jes, If you're sitting on a large stock, you still NEED Cash to continue..

+++

Because PC's (price, specs) are indeed beginning to look more and more appealing, acceptable AND attractive to semi-savvy Appleites who are in the market for a "computer", Apple just may do the following:

Soon, Apple may announce an appealing upgrade on - for starters - it's iMac
(improved specs, lowered price), because, the iMac as the hoped-for xMac
won't cannabalize any non-existent Apple sales anyhoo.

Prices of existing configurations shall be lowered...

And, at the appropriately-deemed moment,
an across-the-board genuine Sales Day(s) shall be announced,
whereby Prices will be lowered to the whatever it takes point
necessary where buyers shall (hopefully) buy..

Why The BaseMent Sale?

AGAIN: Because acquiring Dough is indeed necessary
for Apple's survival during this time of recession->depression.

Look for more push on Refurbished,
which, is all another way of selling existing stock,
yet, saving face over the (face-it!) overpriced goods..

Will it work? We shall see..

If it does. Fine.

If it turns out to be a semi-dud because people still don't wanna part with their Moolah, prices will come down to the point where the stock shall finally start moving. Hopefully.

+++

Meanwhile, I'd go for an iMac.. with a desktoppy Intel in it,
and that decent graphics card... 4 G's of spiffy RAM..

I liked that comment about the larger size of the 24" model,
allowing for easier cooling and - barring BluRay for a sec.,
the other assorted small whatnots that people are clamoring for..

That would attract me...

If it comes along with an attractive price of course... :cool:

WD

+++

[Mal]

If you can't figure out the link between pro video creators switching to Windoze to deliver Blu-ray and then going to pro audio creators who've left Apple for Windoze so THEY can create audio for video delivered on Blu-ray, and how one group of companies leaving Apple wouldn't cause another linked group of companies to also leave Apple, ...



First of all, they are NOT selling plenty of Mac Pros, and will continue to do so. Their higher end product is tanking, and it has nothing to do with the economy, but rather through arrogance in the face of the total ignorance of the pro content creator market you've displayed here.

If you are correct Apple won't be implementing Blu-ray ASAP, I'll meet you back here in two years to dance on Apple's grave.

And I won't be alone.

aH

:apple:

Look, dude, you toss out an absurd comment about how Apple's going to lose all of the people who benefit the most from Macs and OS X (even without Blu-Ray), just because of one minor little feature (and yes, Blu-Ray is still a minor feature), and you expect everyone to agree with you that you'll be dancing on Apple's grave in two years? Seriously, when have people not been predicting Apple's death, and how many of them have been right? Apple's pulling in huge numbers, and they'll continue to do so despite the economy, so they rightly don't care if people like you aren't happy with them. They don't have to worry about little things like that (or netbooks, or iPhone nano's, or [fill in the blank with some ridiculous and unnecessary product]...). They just continue to do what they do best and they continue to sell the best computers on the planet and plenty of them.

jW

[telepati]

Its the 21st, no news of the new iMacs, i guess now we wait till the end of this month.. I've got a feeling they will come march :(

I think you are right... I searched last night and I saw; iLife'09 will be sell on February 20... That means iMAc will be come after this date... My idea is; when Apple release new iMac always included iLife in the iMac Box... Thats mean we will wait almost 2 months I guess.....:eek:

[hakr]

i checked again, almost all the models are in there ... (except 17" new mac book pro of course it is just introduced)

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=MTE3NjY

i guess big clearance going on to get the CPU updates ...

I'm confused...is Apple closing out refurbished machines or new machines? The Apple page you included describes the machines as refurbs...

[arlung]

I think you are right... I searched last night and I saw; iLife'09 will be sell on February 20... That means iMAc will be come after this date... My idea is; when Apple release new iMac always included iLife in the iMac Box... Thats mean we will wait almost 2 months I guess.....:eek:

But I go to apple web site

iLife'09
$79.00
Ships: January
Free Shipping

why sell on Feb??, where you found this info?:confused:

[mjteix]

I still think in the new iMacs will use the Intel Core i7 CPU,
Not in this century. 130W TDP. If we are REALLY lucky, Apple will use the new 65W quad core cpus (Q8200s, Q9400s and Q9550s) in the next iMac. If not, we will be stuck with expensive mobile cpus and probably not quads (regular or custom 2.53/2.80/2.93/3.20 dual-core cpus)

the new Mac Pro uses the Gainestown version Xeon CPU,
Really? Of course they will, March/April probably. Expect a higher base-price.

and the new Mac Mini uses the Dual Diamondville core Atom 330 CPU. I don't think the new Mac Mini will use the Pineview core Atom CPU because that won't be available until probably summer 2009.
No, unless it is a new Mac (Mac micro/nano) at a lower price ($299/399). The dual-core Atom is a nice cpu, but the hit in overall performance (even with a nvidia chipset) would be too severe for a full OS and apps like iMovie, Garageband, iWork, MS Office... What happened to the white MB yesterday is probably what will happen to the Mac mini in the weeks to come.

[telepati]

But I go to apple web site

iLife'09
$79.00
Ships: January
Free Shipping

why sell on Feb??, where you found this info?:confused:

Amazon says; This item will be released on February 20, 2009.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014X5XEK/ref=s9_sdps_c1_s1_p65_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0GJJR0DQV59QY8A8WYGD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383351&pf_rd_i=507846

[xbjllb]

They just continue to do what they do best and they continue to sell the best computers on the planet and plenty of them.

jW

Look, Macfanboi, any computer and OS that can't author, burn, playback, and proof Blu-ray discs are not the "best computers on the planet" by ANY stretch of ANY imagination.

Not by a long shot. Apple can't even get a basic quicktime update right because they're too busy making sure iFart will work on iCrap iPhones.

As for the rest of your "argument", your closer quoted above shows where your logic is coming from; your hormones.

Study hard and eat your vegetables, and one day, when you grow up, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-ray player and a 58" Plasma and you too, will understand the need for Blu-ray and for pro content creators to be able to deliver content on Blu-ray.

I recommend Panasonic for the plasma, LG for the player that can also handle the remaining HD-DVD discs out there, and any Windoze PC to author, burn, and proof the discs until Apple gets off its dragging ass.

Have a nice day.

:apple:

[Tallest Skil]

Look, Macfanboi, any computer and OS that can't author, burn, playback, and proof Blu-ray discs are not the "best computers on the planet" by ANY stretch of ANY imagination.

Not by a long shot. Apple can't even get a basic quicktime update right because they're too busy making sure iFart will work on iCrap iPhones.

As for the rest of your "argument", your closer quoted above shows where your logic is coming from; your hormones.

Study hard and eat your vegetables, and one day, when you grow up, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-ray player and a 58" Plasma and you too, will understand the need for Blu-ray and for pro content creators to be able to deliver content on Blu-ray.

I recommend Panasonic for the plasma, LG for the player that can also handle the remaining HD-DVD discs out there, and any Windoze PC to author, burn, and proof the discs until Apple gets off its dragging ass.

Have a nice day.

:apple:

I'm patiently waiting for your argument to include any valid, specific reasons for the inclusion of Blu-ray.

Until that time, Apple isn't losing money by "making" you buy a PC or run Boot Camp. They will not lose money for several more years.

[Yamcha]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2wohan7.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/232ozn.jpg

[Shivetya]

I'm patiently waiting for your argument to include any valid, specific reasons for the inclusion of Blu-ray.

Until that time, Apple isn't losing money by "making" you buy a PC or run Boot Camp. They will not lose money for several more years.

I'm not. I fully agree with him. Apple needs to get with the program. The money they are losing is to people buying other hardware to do a job Apple could have provided for.

Fact is, there are many of us who need this ability and have no real means to do so using an Apple product. So be it, it is already clear that phones are their future and the rest is just secondary.

[Yamcha]

I don't think bluray would have an effect unless in the coming years we use it like we use dvd's.. but even then Apple probably wont die, just less sales.. One thing I can be sure of though is that Windows/PC will still dominate.

Edit:

I'm getting the feeling that the iMacs might have significant updates, which is probably why its taking so long? I wonder if we'll see any cosmetic updates I wouldn't mind if it was all Aluminum without the glass like the pic of the post I made earlier..

[hakr]

I don't think bluray would have an effect unless in the coming years we use it like we use dvd's.. but even then Apple probably wont die, just less sales.. One thing I can be sure of though is that Windows/PC will still dominate.

Edit:

I'm getting the feeling that the iMacs might have significant updates, which is probably why its taking so long? I wonder if we'll see any cosmetic updates I wouldn't mind if it was all Aluminum without the glass like the pic of the post I made earlier..

Well, I have $2500 cash waiting for the new iMacs to be announced...

B'ray is not important to me. Besides, why would I want an Apple B'ray inside an iMac? Apple puts slow drives in its iMacs...if I want B'ray, I'll buy an external B'ray burner. I only use the DVD burner in my Macbook Pro as a DVD/CD reader...if I have to burn a disc, I use an external, much faster drive. They're cheap.

[arlung]

Amazon says; This item will be released on February 20, 2009.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014X5XEK/ref=s9_sdps_c1_s1_p65_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0GJJR0DQV59QY8A8WYGD&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383351&pf_rd_i=507846

o..........................too bad :eek::(

[xbjllb]

I'm not. I fully agree with him. Apple needs to get with the program. The money they are losing is to people buying other hardware to do a job Apple could have provided for.

Fact is, there are many of us who need this ability and have no real means to do so using an Apple product. So be it, it is already clear that phones are their future and the rest is just secondary.

Thanks. Tallest Skil and his ilk are in the minority, and certainly not among those who consistently spend the most for the highest end Mac product line.

It's very simple really; Apple is already going down the dead-end road of an iCrap easily copied toy manufacturer, and all the kiddies and clueless fanbois following them will be very surprised when they reach the cliff and go over within three years.

What never ceases to amaze me is the continuing defense of Apple arrogantly refusing to be cutting edge on the higher end after having been so for decades; indeed, building their entire reputation and warranting their higher cost on it. What possible motivation can there be for someone NOT wanting to have the best?

Really, nothing to fear; no one's going to take away your iCrap kiddies, except when Apple goes out of business because they didn't take care of the adults.

Lose the adults, and Apple WILL lose the farm and kiddies will lose their toys.

And kiddies will just have to get their far cheaper iCrap somewhere else.

Maybe that's the motivation; they WANT Apple to go out of business so they can get their iCrap cheaper.

:apple:

[Yamcha]

=/ I can't believe the new iMacs haven't been released yet. If it doesn't get released by starting of March, I give up! I might just buy that awesome PC machine instead.

[kahine]

Thanks. Tallest Skil and his ilk are in the minority, and certainly not among those who consistently spend the most for the highest end Mac product line.

It's very simple really; Apple is already going down the dead-end road of an iCrap easily copied toy manufacturer, and all the kiddies and clueless fanbois following them will be very surprised when they reach the cliff and go over within three years.

What never ceases to amaze me is the continuing defense of Apple arrogantly refusing to be cutting edge on the higher end after having been so for decades; indeed, building their entire reputation and warranting their higher cost on it. What possible motivation can there be for someone NOT wanting to have the best?

Really, nothing to fear; no one's going to take away your iCrap kiddies, except when Apple goes out of business because they didn't take care of the adults.

Lose the adults, and Apple WILL lose the farm and kiddies will lose their toys.

And kiddies will just have to get their far cheaper iCrap somewhere else.

Maybe that's the motivation; they WANT Apple to go out of business so they can get their iCrap cheaper.

:apple:

Right , the company who is one of the FEW IT companies sitting on billions of cash , not laying off 5000 employees this week is the one who's business model has the problem

Maybe you need to grow up yourself and look at the financials of Apple vs MS

[Tallest Skil]

Thanks. Tallest Skil and his ilk are in the minority, and certainly not among those who consistently spend the most for the highest end Mac product line.

Mhmm... And the fact that I'm getting the next Mac Pro does what to your argument?

Here's how it is: Apple doesn't give a crap about the professionals. They're finding the breaking point–how little differentiation they can make between consumer and professional products–before people stop buying the pro products.

It sucks, and there's really nothing to be done about it. They'll push people past the point where OS X isn't enough incentive to buy crap hardware, lose pro support, lose applications, and then lose the consumer base.

Then they'll give us better pro hardware again.

The point is, that's what they're doing and there isn't anything we can do to STOP them; we can only expedite the process by not buying pro hardware sooner.

[JimMacFan]

Maybe you need to grow up yourself and look at the financials of Apple vs MS

MS blows Apples financials away. Cash means nothing, its about MKT share. Also, Apple has little chance of breaking into the enterprise which is where all the computer $$$ is.

[Yamcha]

I check out apple.com every single day to see if there are updates =/

[Tallest Skil]

I check out apple.com every single day to see if there are updates =/

That's a silly thing to do. :p

Seriously, only check it Tuesday. That's when the update will be.

[SpaceKitty]

That's a silly thing to do. :p

Seriously, only check it Tuesday. That's when the update will be.

Not always. Last week there was the white MacBook update on Wednesday and last year, there was an iMac update on a Monday during the tax stimulus rebate thing.

[deriko100]

That's a silly thing to do. :p

Seriously, only check it Tuesday. That's when the update will be.

The silent White Macbook updates werent on a Tuesday :p .

[dwl017]

Mhmm... And the fact that I'm getting the next Mac Pro does what to your argument?

Here's how it is: Apple doesn't give a crap about the professionals. They're finding the breaking point–how little differentiation they can make between consumer and professional products–before people stop buying the pro products.

It sucks, and there's really nothing to be done about it. They'll push people past the point where OS X isn't enough incentive to buy crap hardware, lose pro support, lose applications, and then lose the consumer base.

Then they'll give us better pro hardware again.

The point is, that's what they're doing and there isn't anything we can do to STOP them; we can only expedite the process by not buying pro hardware sooner.

In my opinion the whole "must keep everything a total secret" has become very tired. There is no better way to hype a product then to announce its coming. Apple has got to be the only corporation in the world that refuses to keep the customer informed of up coming products. What a stupid way of doing business, never tell the customer what to expect. I honestly don't see how you guys stay so loyal.

[hal1984]

iLife 09 is NOW shipped with the new white Mac Book.

http://www.apple.com/macbook/white/software.html

We won't have to wait to the retail release of iLife to see an updated iMac, cause iLife 09 is now being shipping in OEM form.

[petermcphee]

Look, Macfanboi, any computer and OS that can't author, burn, playback, and proof Blu-ray discs are not the "best computers on the planet" by ANY stretch of ANY imagination.

Not by a long shot. Apple can't even get a basic quicktime update right because they're too busy making sure iFart will work on iCrap iPhones.

As for the rest of your "argument", your closer quoted above shows where your logic is coming from; your hormones.

Study hard and eat your vegetables, and one day, when you grow up, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-ray player and a 58" Plasma and you too, will understand the need for Blu-ray and for pro content creators to be able to deliver content on Blu-ray.

I recommend Panasonic for the plasma, LG for the player that can also handle the remaining HD-DVD discs out there, and any Windoze PC to author, burn, and proof the discs until Apple gets off its dragging ass.

Have a nice day.

:apple:

That... that.... that was beautiful.

[petermcphee]

Mhmm... And the fact that I'm getting the next Mac Pro does what to your argument?



The point is, that's what they're doing and there isn't anything we can do to STOP them; we can only expedite the process by not buying pro hardware sooner.

Wait... what?:D

[Tallest Skil]

Wait... what?:D

I know what I said. There's nothing that can be done to stop them screwing us on pro hardware if, in fact, that is what they're doing.

But I, for one, don't give a crap about them. I want my Gainestown Mac Pro.

[dwl017]

I know what I said. There's nothing that can be done to stop them screwing us on pro hardware if, in fact, that is what they're doing.

But I, for one, don't give a crap about them. I want my Gainestown Mac Pro.

The whole Apple wait forever issues have become plain old stupid at this point. Who even cares anymore? the window of opportunity is closing fast! The recession is getting worst every day and the longer they wait the worst the outcome will be for sales.

Who will even have money left in the next six months with the amount of pink slips being handed out around the country.

[Tallest Skil]

The whole Apple wait forever issues have become plain old stupid at this point.

Sorry, what "wait forever issues"? :confused: I just don't know what you're talking about.

[TheIceLynx]

Anyone thinking maybe February 3rd? :(

[petermcphee]

I know what I said. There's nothing that can be done to stop them screwing us on pro hardware if, in fact, that is what they're doing.

But I, for one, don't give a crap about them. I want my Gainestown Mac Pro.

That's fine. Like you want a Mac Pro, I want to point out things like this. What can I say? I love to laugh.

[dwl017]

Sorry, what "wait forever issues"? :confused: I just don't know what you're talking about.

New Hardware

[Tallest Skil]

New Hardware

Oh, you mean the amount of time spent waiting associated therewith?

Yeah, the Mac Pro's year-and-a-half cycle makes sense, but the Mac Mini's is inexcusable.

[shokunin]

MS blows Apples financials away. Cash means nothing, its about MKT share. Also, Apple has little chance of breaking into the enterprise which is where all the computer $$$ is.

Dude, where've you been the last nine months, MKT share in this economy means NOTHING. It is ALL about cash. Gee, Washington Mutual had good market share, Countrywide, Ameriquest mortgage had huge market share, as does AIG. GM until recently was number 1 in market share and look how they are doing. The thing that they all lack(ed) is cash and access to credit. What matters is profit, no matter how it is executed through market share or through sound margins, and ideally through both.

[xxmjumpman23xx]

Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

[TheIceLynx]

Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

I know, I want to get rid of this G4 Mac mini asap and I wanna hold out until this update. I'm starting to lose hope that it'll be any time soon, though. I hope I'm proven wrong and we get an update on the 27th or Feb 3rd.

[WATCHDOG]

+++

On that growing note of awaiting to purchase an Apple at a greatly reduced price, actually, because of the unfurling depression, I also wondered how Apple's Dec08/Jan-Feb09 $ales will compare to Dec07/Jan-Feb08?

33-1/3% give or take?

They used to say, "As Starbucks goes, so goes the nation.", until Starbucks fell from grace due to a paucity of pricey-java consumptionites. Now, They can be found on all the city street corners bartering apples for food, alongside throngs of hungry pencil-peddlers.

"Water, Food and Cash - in that order - became the a$$ets of choice, surpassing real estate, investments and other assorted - yet useless - non-perishables." -- History of the Early 21st Century, p. 2009.

;)

+++

[telepati]

Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

I know, I want to get rid of this G4 Mac mini asap and I wanna hold out until this update. I'm starting to lose hope that it'll be any time soon, though. I hope I'm proven wrong and we get an update on the 27th or Feb 3rd.

Im thinking same as you... My Acer Aspire motherboard diying too.... and Im really depression on this update process... Please Apple hear us and hurry up!

[PurrBall]

Ahhh, my old Dell desktop just died today and I really want to replace it with a new Imac! Hurry up and update Apple!!!

You're lucky, my PC died in November and I've been stuck with an 800MHz iMac G4 all this time. Still waiting...

[Theophany]

+++

On that growing note of awaiting to purchase an Apple at a greatly reduced price, actually, because of the unfurling depression, I also wondered how Apple's Dec08/Jan-Feb09 $ales will compare to Dec07/Jan-Feb08?

33-1/3% give or take?

They used to say, "As Starbucks goes, so goes the nation.", until Starbucks fell from grace due to a paucity of pricey-java consumptionites. Now, They can be found on all the city street corners bartering apples for food, alongside throngs of hungry pencil-peddlers.

"Water, Food and Cash - in that order - became the a$$ets of choice, surpassing real estate, investments and other assorted - yet useless - non-perishables." -- History of the Early 21st Century, p. 2009.

;)

+++

What the **** are you on about?


MS blows Apples financials away. Cash means nothing, its about MKT share. Also, Apple has little chance of breaking into the enterprise which is where all the computer $$$ is.

Maybe you missed MS laying off 5000 employees and looking to shut down all the endeavours they have taken on that they've been running at a loss. Market share is meaningless during these times. Apple has just under $30bn in cash reserves and zero debt. Apple's stock tanks at $80. MS stock tanks at $20. Apple's last fiscal quarter results are the best they have EVER had.

Do you forget or are you just ignorant that the reason this financial crisis is so systemic is because of a lack of liquidity, i.e. readily available cash and/or credit? Go read an economics textbook, the FT or the WSJ before you even think of asserting your 'expertise' on a topic you have no grasp of.

[iMacmatician]

Anyone thinking maybe February 3rd? :(February 24.

[telepati]

February 24.

Actually Im thinking 3th March... and this think killing me:(

[BenRoethig]

That's a silly thing to do. :p

Seriously, only check it Tuesday. That's when the update will be.

Or wednesday if tuesday is a holiday.

The silent White Macbook updates werent on a Tuesday :p .

Presidential inuguration was tuesday.

[macmee]

Actually Im thinking 3th March... and this think killing me:(

Sometime in late March is my guess.

[iMacmatician]

Actually Im thinking 3th March... and this think killing me:(It could be later than February depending on CPU supply etc.

I think Apple's going with the 65 W quad-cores since they "missed" the new 2.67/2.93 GHz CPUs.

But they were probably able to give a speed bump when the 1067 MHz Penryns came, but they chose not to.

Also I wouldn't rule out a small design change, but that seems unlikely.

[Yamcha]

sigh, the waiting really sucks!

[Tallest Skil]

sigh, the waiting really sucks!

I'm in my thirteenth year of doing so. You get used to it.

[JimMacFan]

What the **** are you on about?




Maybe you missed MS laying off 5000 employees and looking to shut down all the endeavours they have taken on that they've been running at a loss. Market share is meaningless during these times. Apple has just under $30bn in cash reserves and zero debt. Apple's stock tanks at $80. MS stock tanks at $20. Apple's last fiscal quarter results are the best they have EVER had.

Do you forget or are you just ignorant that the reason this financial crisis is so systemic is because of a lack of liquidity, i.e. readily available cash and/or credit? Go read an economics textbook, the FT or the WSJ before you even think of asserting your 'expertise' on a topic you have no grasp of.

I do this for a living and have an MBA from Columbia. Apple can not hold a candle to the growth that MSFT has shown. Also...that 30bn in cash is not such a good thing. You should study economics. Cash is not king now......don't believe everything you watch on TV.

[Eric S.]

I'm in my thirteenth year of doing so. You get used to it.

I'll bite. What are you waiting for?

[JimMacFan]

I'm in my thirteenth year of doing so. You get used to it.

Do you think Snow Leopard will have Blu Ray support?

[Tallest Skil]

I'll bite. What are you waiting for?

Gainestown Mac Pro. I've wanted a professional top-of-the-line Mac of my own since the days of the PowerMac 5200LC. :D

And I totally get to have one now.

Blu-ray? In Snow Leopard? Only if it's being delayed until 2015.

[Eric S.]

Gainestown Mac Pro. I've wanted a professional top-of-the-line Mac of my own since the days of the PowerMac 5200LC. :D

So you've been waiting since you were six? :confused:

[Tallest Skil]

So you've been waiting since you were six? :confused:

Dream of mine. Granted, Gainestown didn't exist then...

And Apple was touting the speed of the PowerPC over Intel then...

But yeah, just a little dream of mine. :o:D

[xbjllb]

Mhmm... And the fact that I'm getting the next Mac Pro does what to your argument?

Nothing. You'll beat me to it if it can't handle Blu-ray, that's for sure. And my $10,000+ has been waiting in a cart at the Apple store for more than two years now.

Here's how it is: Apple doesn't give a crap about the professionals. They're finding the breaking point–how little differentiation they can make between consumer and professional products–before people stop buying the pro products.

And that is why they will die.

Let me draw a not-so brief analogy. Back in the 70's there were several huge home/church organ manufacturers that you could find in an organ shop in every mall in America. Allen, Thomas, Lowrey, Hammond, Conn, Wurlitzer, and several others. Not a single one survives today that tried to compete against the onslaught of cheap drugstore keyboards by Casio and handful of Japanese companies. The companies that tried to come out with their own cheap lines were decimated. The only companies that survived until today were Allen, Thomas until about 5 years ago, and Lowrey (and Hammond which was bought out by Suzuki). And they way they survived was completely obliterating their entry-level product and creating only high end behemoths that start in the area of $40,000 and go UP from there.

The survivors learned that to create a superior product at an exhorbitant cost was the only way to survive against cheap iCrap.

Apple is about to learn this the hard way. Being first doesn't always translate into market longevity. NO ONE remembers who came out with the first handheld transistor radio. They only remember what cheap on sale brand their parents happened to get them.

iPod might have been lucky enough to become the generic name for mp3 player now (and that's arguable) but no one under 90 calls their refrigerator a "Frigidaire" anymore.

It sucks, and there's really nothing to be done about it. They'll push people past the point where OS X isn't enough incentive to buy crap hardware, lose pro support, lose applications, and then lose the consumer base.

They are already losing the pro base. I estimate it's up to a third and climbing daily. Most pros don't give a damn about complaining and trying to save a platform that no longer suits their needs; they merely move on in anger, and are quite vocal only to their peers offline in the real work world.

Then they'll give us better pro hardware again.

You sir, are an optimist. The lessons in the organ industry teach us that once a company foregoes its highest paying customers to make crap for kiddies, the companies that do it more cheaply always win.

Apple will not last long enough to "give us pro hardware again" if they continue their present suicidal course.

The point is, that's what they're doing and there isn't anything we can do to STOP them; we can only expedite the process by not buying pro hardware sooner.

Oh, I've sat on my cash two years now and working on the third.

We can also bitch. Apple might not be listening, but many others are.

And thinking. Along the lines of "Do I really want to buy an expensive computer from a toymaker?"

:apple:

[Theophany]

I do this for a living and have an MBA from Columbia. Apple can not hold a candle to the growth that MSFT has shown. Also...that 30bn in cash is not such a good thing. You should study economics. Cash is not king now......don't believe everything you watch on TV.

I would assume you mean 'cash is not a good thing' in terms of inflation? Also, what kind of growth are you talking about in comparing MSFT to AAPL? Growth of market share? Growth of stock value? Growth of profitable product lines? Growth of profit margins?

TV is trash, I don't watch it. ;)

[Denholm]

I'm steadily saving for a new high end 24" iMac. But it's going to be July before I can buy.

:apple:

[Yamcha]

Man im going to be furious if the new iMacs don't come by March :P lol.. Anyone know how many months its been before an update??

[Theophany]

Man im going to be furious if the new iMacs don't come by March :P lol.. Anyone know how many months its been before an update??

The irony is that you ask this on a site named MacRumors. :p

[AidenShaw]

Do you think Snow Leopard will have Blu Ray support?

It might have "Blu-ray" support, though.

"BD" is the acronym - "Blu-ray Disc". BD. BD-ROM.

[Juneboy79]

I've been wanting to get an iMac myself. I have been checking out the ones at Best Buy and do you know what I noticed on friday? Both of the Best buy stores near my house were selling all of the iMac models that were on display. Im new to the forums, so is best buy not going to sell them or are we getting new iMacs?

For both stores to mark down and sell the store display models on the same day is odd. The new macbooks were still full price.

[DJJONES]

im located in ct and most of the bestbuys in the state arent carrying imacs
you can buy them online from the wear house

theres is only a 2.8ghz imac avaiable in 1 store in the state.

the mac mini's and macpro are all backordered and not available in any store in the state. :confused:

so much for being a reseller huh.

[Scottsdale]

Since Best Buy is selling their iMacs that were displays, IT'S CERTAIN! The iMacs are going to be released this TUESDAY! I guarantee this. I have seen this before. Best Buy definitely has inside information. Ok, will get my money moved over to my checkcard for purchase on Tuesday. Well, I have never seen it happen before but surely this is now FACT!

It is possible there will be no big escapade but just a small note to the press stating the entire lineup of Mac desktops have been released... oh and btw, they're shipping "today" with Snow Leopard pre-installed! And by the way, they have Blu-Ray Drives installed in all of them, even the MacMini. Oh, and there's now a headless Mac - every Mac lover out there just dreamed of the day, and now we know it's TUESDAY! And by the way, there's also a Mac Tablet, a Mac Media Server, and of course an iPhone NANO. All being released Tuesday morning! Can you imagine? Like dreaming... ok, we are dreaming, but wouldn't that be the day! And ah NetMacBook... almost forgot for those of you that want a netbook.

Can't we all dream, BIG!?

[Yamcha]

Since Best Buy is selling their iMacs that were displays, IT'S CERTAIN! The iMacs are going to be released this TUESDAY! I guarantee this. I have seen this before. Best Buy definitely has inside information. Ok, will get my money moved over to my checkcard for purchase on Tuesday. Well, I have never seen it happen before but surely this is now FACT!

It is possible there will be no big escapade but just a small note to the press stating the entire lineup of Mac desktops have been released... oh and btw, they're shipping "today" with Snow Leopard pre-installed! And by the way, they have Blu-Ray Drives installed in all of them, even the MacMini. Oh, and there's now a headless Mac - every Mac lover out there just dreamed of the day, and now we know it's TUESDAY! And by the way, there's also a Mac Tablet, a Mac Media Server, and of course an iPhone NANO. All being released Tuesday morning! Can you imagine? Like dreaming... ok, we are dreaming, but wouldn't that be the day! And ah NetMacBook... almost forgot for those of you that want a netbook.

Can't we all dream, BIG!?

lol, well I really hope they do release this tuesday!!

[jun]

there are some product codes on the below page that look unfamiliar to us.


http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/ilife09-upgrade-qualifying-new-macs.html

[Yamcha]

The description is the same though =/

[Yamcha]

Looks like the Macbook Pro 17" has been pushed back to release in March!!! I'm beginning to think that the new iMacs will release then aswell.

[iMacmatician]

there are some product codes on the below page that look unfamiliar to us.


http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/ilife09-upgrade-qualifying-new-macs.htmlThat and the January 27 release of iLife '09 could mean new iMacs on January 27!

Lack of improved CPU speeds worry me though, the GHz's don't fit the 65 W quad-cores either.

[azentropy]

That and the January 27 release of iLife '09 could mean new iMacs on January 27!


My bet is tomorrow for either Mac mini or iMac updates - hopefully both.

[Tallest Skil]

My bet is tomorrow for either Mac mini or iMac updates - hopefully both.

Wow, why? The Mini is getting a redesign. Apple would call the press to that.

[tuckerja]

I don't think they'd call the press to a redesigned mac mini, its not a big seller for apple. If they did redesign it they would probably just put black plastic on the top or possibly make it thinner. I hope they release one tomorrow. My wife's crappy pc broke and now i'm finally able to get all the windows out the house!

[azentropy]

Wow, why? The Mini is getting a redesign. Apple would call the press to that.

If it was to get a redesign, probably. But again I'm betting it is just going to be a bump and move to Nvidia chip set. Much like the white MacBook update last week.

I hope I'm wrong and it is a more significant update - but I'm not counting on it.

[Sbti]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10149823-37.html

[Eric S.]

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10149823-37.html

new iMacs will be out sometime before March, or at most before June

Way to go out on a limb.

Wu believes Apple is debating whether to use Intel's dual-core processors or newer quad-core processors in the new iMacs.

Debating? :eek: If Apple hasn't figured that out yet, it's going to be a long wait!

[colickyboy]

that cnet article gave zero new info. in fact, it seems to contradict apple's own target release date for snow leopard of 1Q 09.

i'm new to apple but it also wouldn't seem to make financial sense to time the updated imac release with snow leopard's release b/c apple would make less money that way. and from a marketing perspective, separate releases keeps them in the "news" longer and more frequently, giving the company more buzz. the two products almost certainly will be released separately.

[rockdog]

This thread is becoming like the 'broken watch', sooner or later it will be right if it just stays around long enough. ;)

In the meantime I have put together an i7 PC system for about $1200. I guess I will get a new iMac the 'next time' around. You can only wait so long sadly. :(

[xgman]

Chip complex delaying Apple's new iMac line, says analyst ( I sure hope not . . . .)

By Zach Spear
Published: 10:25 AM EST

Apple's next-generation iMacs are being held up for business reasons and a minor technical obstacle, according to one Wall Street analyst.

"We wanted to give an update on the Mac business from what we are picking up from our latest supply chain checks," Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu wrote in a report to clients Monday. "While new the iMac appears to be almost ready for primetime, what is holding it up appears to be business reasons and a potential small technical hurdle."

Specifically, Wu said his sources indicate that external casing changes will likely be modest and that "Apple is in the midst of figuring out whether to power the new iMac with Intel quad-core processors or more high-powered dual-core processors with larger caches."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/26/chip_complex_delaying_apples_new_imac_line_says_analyst.html

[Icaras]

But where would they put the Apple logo on the front!?

Didn't think of that, did'ja?

The same place they put the apple logo on their cinema displays of course.

Epic fail! :apple:

[Eidorian]

Chip complex delaying Apple's new iMac line, says analyst

By Zach Spear
Published: 10:25 AM EST

Apple's next-generation iMacs are being held up for business reasons and a minor technical obstacle, according to one Wall Street analyst.

"We wanted to give an update on the Mac business from what we are picking up from our latest supply chain checks," Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu wrote in a report to clients Monday. "While new the iMac appears to be almost ready for primetime, what is holding it up appears to be business reasons and a potential small technical hurdle."

Specifically, Wu said his sources indicate that external casing changes will likely be modest and that "Apple is in the midst of figuring out whether to power the new iMac with Intel quad-core processors or more high-powered dual-core processors with larger caches."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/26/chip_complex_delaying_apples_new_imac_line_says_analyst.htmlIf I see dual core processors one more time...

[DJJONES]

Maybe there coming tommrow and this is there little press realease

iMacs and minis are due!

[Eric S.]

Maybe there coming tommrow and this is there little press realease

iMacs and minis are due!

It's hard to believe that Apple would do a "stealth" release of new iMacs and minis now, without even dropping a hint three weeks ago when they had the attention of the entire tech press corps at Macworld. That doesn't seem like Apple's MO. If they were that close to being ready they would have dropped a teaser or two.

[t0mat0]

So what's Wu's word on the time lag between making up their mind from this "decision" he seems to think Apple is still having to wrestle with, and the chips getting put into the Macs, then shipped?

[iMacmatician]

My bet is tomorrow for either Mac mini or iMac updates - hopefully both.I hope so, but I've learned to stay pessimistic with anything concerning release dates. :(

i'm new to apple but it also wouldn't seem to make financial sense to time the updated imac release with snow leopard's release b/c apple would make less money that way. and from a marketing perspective, separate releases keeps them in the "news" longer and more frequently, giving the company more buzz. the two products almost certainly will be released separately.When the rumors of the iMacs being redesigned were swirling in mid-2007, there was speculation that the iMacs would be released with Leopard, or at least have a free/upgrade coupon or something. Well, neither of those happened, and the iMacs were released 2.5 months before Leopard.

It's hard to believe that Apple would do a "stealth" release of new iMacs and minis now, without even dropping a hint three weeks ago when they had the attention of the entire tech press corps at Macworld. That doesn't seem like Apple's MO. If they were that close to being ready they would have dropped a teaser or two.There have been updates in late January and late February. Revised PowerBook G4s in January 2005 is one example.

[Yamcha]

I find it hard to believe that Apple can't make up its "Mind", I mean seriously, the logical thing to do would be to implement Quad Core on the higher end model.. or if its affordable then maybe even the entry.. I think the story about Apple not being able to make up its mind is fake.. Im gonna wait and see if the new iMacs release tomorrow.

And i don't know why people talk about snow leopard, I highly doubt the release is gonna be this year at all, so its not really a concern, and as far as I know the interface is gonna be the exact same so I don't know what to be excited for..

[telepati]

I find it hard to believe that Apple can't make up its "Mind", I mean seriously, the logical thing to do would be to implement Quad Core on the higher end model.. or if its affordable then maybe even the entry.. I think the story about Apple not being able to make up its mind is fake.. Im gonna wait and see if the new iMacs release tomorrow.

And i don't know why people talk about snow leopard, I highly doubt the release is gonna be this year at all, so its not really a concern, and as far as I know the interface is gonna be the exact same so I don't know what to be excited for..

Are you serious keynote will be tomorrow? I want to optimist same like you but I dont. Im really unlucky person this update process. I sold my iMac 20" Aliu 2.0GHz then my Acer Aspire motherboard burned and Apple didnt release new iMac on San Francisco and CNet analyst says new iMac will be release March or June... My head so confused I dont know what I feel...

However Im thinking about Snow Leopard as same you... I dont care Snow Leopard I can buy a later I need just new iMac.... I hope you're right and Apple will keynote tomorrow and release new iMac.:(

[DJJONES]

It's hard to believe that Apple would do a "stealth" release of new iMacs and minis now, without even dropping a hint three weeks ago when they had the attention of the entire tech press corps at Macworld. That doesn't seem like Apple's MO. If they were that close to being ready they would have dropped a teaser or two.

well if all there doing is a speed bump whats the need for a show?

[Yamcha]

Are you serious keynote will be tomorrow? I want to optimist same like you but I dont. Im really unlucky person this update process. I sold my iMac 20" Aliu 2.0GHz then my Acer Aspire motherboard burned and Apple didnt release new iMac on San Francisco and CNet analyst says new iMac will be release March or June... My head so confused I dont know what I feel...

However Im thinking about Snow Leopard as same you... I dont care Snow Leopard I can buy a later I need just new iMac.... I hope you're right and Apple will keynote tomorrow and release new iMac.:(

Actually Im not sure if it releases tomorrow, but someone in the forums said that it would, and like you im hoping so, because I saved up enough money, now im stuck waiting for it =/

[telepati]

Actually Im not sure if it releases tomorrow, but someone in the forums said that it would, and like you im hoping so, because I saved up enough money, now im stuck waiting for it =/

I saved up too, and I hate Apple upgrade process...

[Eric S.]

There have been updates in late January and late February. Revised PowerBook G4s in January 2005 is one example.

I don't think the two situations are comparable. Macworld 2005 had a few big announcements, unlike this year's. That PB G4 update was fairly minor too.

well if all there doing is a speed bump whats the need for a show?

None. But I think the iMac/mini revisions are expected to be more than just speed bumps.

[JoshJosh117]

None. But I think the iMac/mini revisions are expected to be more than just speed bumps.

What would they be other than speed/storage bumps or LED screens?

[Eric S.]

What would they be other than speed/storage bumps or LED screens?

New/faster graphics chips, faster memory, possible case redesign. There has been a lot of speculation but who knows? Obviously the mini needs major upgrades.

[dwl017]

I bet they don't release anything new any time soon!

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=6732174


Who is going to buy it?

[wrkngclasshero]

I'm assuming that since we haven't heard anything yet, it ain't coming today?

I was kinda hopeful too :mad:

[JoshJosh117]

New/faster graphics chips, faster memory, possible case redesign. There has been a lot of speculation but who knows? Obviously the mini needs major upgrades.

When I said "speed" I was sorta including graphics and memory. But what could they possibly change in the design other than black keys/new mouse?

[azentropy]

I'm assuming that since we haven't heard anything yet, it ain't coming today?

I was kinda hopeful too :mad:

Yep, guess my bet was wrong. Pretty depressing.

I have an Apple Developer's Hardware discount that is going to expire in two days and Apple doesn't make a single machine I'm interested in purchasing. They are either underpowered and outdated (mini), total overload or expensive (Pro), under powered all-in-ones with for me unusable glossy screen (iMac) and I won't even get into my frustration over the MB and MBP lineups!

So after 20+ years of using Macs as my primary machine and owning over 25 different models over the years - looks like my next primary machine will be a PC. While Mac OS X is the superior OS, the hardware choices are lagging WAY behind and either Apple doesn't realize it or doesn't care.

So yep, I'm mad too!

[JoshJosh117]

Well it is only 6:30 in California. Do you think they'd have to release it that early?

[wrkngclasshero]

I think the macbook update last week was noticed at like 4:40 am EST. See link to original posting in the forums.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=638187

[Yamcha]

damnit =/ no updates today..

[telepati]

damnit =/ no updates today..

Yeah!! I think today just iLife and Macbook Pro to come up... Im waiting to March release... Thankfully, february just 28 days....

[Eric S.]

When I said "speed" I was sorta including graphics and memory.

New graphics and memory chips to me implies logic board changes, which is more than just a speed bump.

But what could they possibly change in the design other than black keys/new mouse?

I don't know; Apple has made some pretty radical design changes in the past.

[JoshJosh117]

I think the macbook update last week was noticed at like 4:40 am EST. See link to original posting in the forums.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=638187

And why do all releases have to be that early?

[patricem]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=24662&pagtype=allchandate

[Eric S.]

http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=24662&pagtype=allchandate

Basically repeats Wu's statements.

[Yamcha]

I'm seriously totally disappointed right now, and angry :P. I can't understand why Apple is taking so long, at this time im hoping Apple runs out of business :P

[mastershakess]

I'm seriously totally disappointed right now, and angry :P. I can't understand why Apple is taking so long, at this time im hoping Apple runs out of business :P

runs out of business means?

[DJJONES]

I'm seriously totally disappointed right now, and angry :P. I can't understand why Apple is taking so long, at this time im hoping Apple runs out of business :P

ahah

screw waiting for imac or macpro.:mad:

i just finished specing out a new i7 920 system
with 25.5 inch screen free printer 3 gigs ram
9800 gt card i dont even play games
w 2 500gb drives
just need to select my os and im still gonna be under 1950.:cool:

im excited!

[mastershakess]

ahah

screw waiting for imac or macpro.:mad:

i just finished specing out a new i7 920 system
with 25.5 inch screen free printer 3 gigs ram
9800 gt card i dont even play games
w 2 500gb drives
just need to select my os and im still gonna be under 1950.:cool:

im excited!

$1950 for that system? Sounds high to me, 9800 GT isn't even a good card anymore
Where are you buying your parts?

[DJJONES]

$1950 for that system? Sounds high to me, 9800 GT isn't even a good card anymore
Where are you buying your parts?

1950 is a high estimate if i were to buy a new os
but im at 1650 now shipped.

buying from newegg.

9800 gt isnt a good card because???

im thinking of getting a cheaper card anyways.

[Yamcha]

ahah

screw waiting for imac or macpro.:mad:

i just finished specing out a new i7 920 system
with 25.5 inch screen free printer 3 gigs ram
9800 gt card i dont even play games
w 2 500gb drives
just need to select my os and im still gonna be under 1950.:cool:

im excited!

lol i can get a system for 1242CAD with the i7 Quad Core too :P, but I already have PC.. I feel like getting a iMac, even if it is overpriced..

[DJJONES]

i think the imacs are decently priced not totally overpriced

but wtf still waiting for updates?
and chances of them happening till june
no thanks.
and i dont want to pay for a somewhat ok speed dual core thats just my figure.

plus i use my desktop for work primarily so as far as laptop goes osx and apple laptops are above and beyond what any manufac. can offer :D

[mastershakess]

1950 is a high estimate if i were to buy a new os
but im at 1650 now shipped.

buying from newegg.

9800 gt isnt a good card because???

im thinking of getting a cheaper card anyways.

CPU $294.99
MB $298.99
3GB DDR3 Memory $86.00
WD 500GB HD $64.99 each ($129.98)
9800 GT $129.99
1000W PS $209.99
Blu-Ray Drive $119.99
24" Screen $329.99
Total: 1599.92

Just seemed high to me, i guess that stuff adds up quick lol
I was just saying if your going to get a badass system why not get a nice GPU to go along with it to help with video, just my opinion.

[DJJONES]

CPU $294.99
MB $298.99
3GB DDR3 Memory $86.00
WD 500GB HD $64.99 each ($129.98)
9800 GT $129.99
1000W PS $209.99
Blu-Ray Drive $119.99
24" Screen $329.99
Total: 1599.92

Just seemed high to me, i guess that stuff adds up quick lol
I was just saying if your going to get a badass system why not get a nice GPU to go along with it to help with video, just my opinion.

actually i only do audio editing so not even sure whats a ok video card.
i just want one that i can use to watch hd video and stuff and that doesnt use any of the cpu from the computer.

any recommendations whats better then the 9800 gt?
either cheaper or similarly priced ?

thanks

[Tallest Skil]

ahah

screw waiting for imac or macpro.:mad:

i just finished specing out a new i7 920 system
with 25.5 inch screen free printer 3 gigs ram
9800 gt card i dont even play games
w 2 500gb drives
just need to select my os and im still gonna be under 1950.:cool:

im excited!

Congratulations. If you don't mind, I'd like to pit my 3.2GHz 8-core Gainestown Mac Pro against this machine in various benchmarks and professional applications when I receive it.

Care to be digitally humiliated? :D;)

[mastershakess]

Congratulations. If you don't mind, I'd like to pit my 3.2GHz 8-core Gainestown Mac Pro against this machine in various benchmarks and professional applications when I receive it.

Care to be digitally humiliated? :D;)

Thats not even a close comparision, $1800 Vs $4000 ?

[DJJONES]

Congratulations. If you don't mind, I'd like to pit my 3.2GHz 8-core Gainestown Mac Pro against this machine in various benchmarks and professional applications when I receive it.

Care to be digitally humiliated? :D;)

:D:D:D

i can spend the rest saved on blow and hookers :cool:

[Tallest Skil]

Thats not even a close comparision, $1800 Vs $4000 ?

Oh, so because my computer costs more it is expected to be better?

Okay, so we'll pit a Gainestown piece of Dell against a similarly speced Gainestown Mac Pro when they both start existing.

[Yamcha]

Thats not even a close comparision, $1800 Vs $4000 ?

+1!! If you know enough about hardware then you should def build your own PC, its going to be faster and you save tons of money, and if you know how to overclock you can get even more out of PC without shelling out too much cash for it. I never understand why Mac fans constantly put down PC, I understand windows isn't the best operating system, honestly its not horrible either, but imo if you want the best performance possible & don't want to spend much money then PC all the way! and if you know what your doing you can install OSX, Linux or Windows, & up to 12GB Memory if u decide to get a LGA 1366 motherboard.

Main reason I've decided to get an iMac is simply because it looks really nice, and its clutter free. But PC is far from garbage, its Awesome! I spent $80 on my Processor and overclocked it to 3.2GHZ its a C2D!! 2MB Cache tho.. but I saved tons of money, thats something you can't do with a Mac.


EDIT: PS the cheapest i7 processor Core i7 920 can overclock to about 4.2GHZ!!!

[mastershakess]

Oh, so because my computer costs more it is expected to be better?

Okay, so we'll pit a Gainestown piece of Dell against a similarly speced Gainestown Mac Pro when they both start existing.

DJJONES is getting the lowest model i7 CPU and you want to compare it to the top of the line Gainestown processor (not even mass produced yet)

[DJJONES]

ok final cost was 1731 shipped

im excited and cant wait!!!!

[Yamcha]

ok final cost was 1731 shipped

im excited and cant wait!!!!

Nice, I might just get a new PC instead, its such a dilemma, I wish Apple would release the iMac already!

[dwl017]

No doubt that OS X is by far the worlds greatest OS but I have to admit the the lack of updated hardware is really making you fan boys look pathetic! It is hilarious to watch you guys defend outdated hardware while posting millions of threads of your dream machine.

[Tallest Skil]

No doubt that OS X is by far the worlds greatest OS but I have to admit the the lack of updated hardware is really making you fan boys look pathetic! It is hilarious to watch you guys defend outdated hardware while posting millions of threads of your dream machine.

In my personal defense, I'd like to express my position on the state of the hardware in the current desktop lines.

Mac Mini: INEXCUSABLE. I don't even need to describe this one.
iMac: Outdated, needs updating.
Mac Pro: No cost-effective (or purposeful) updates exist, therefore the current hardware is still meaningful.

[DJJONES]

No doubt that OS X is by far the worlds greatest OS but I have to admit the the lack of updated hardware is really making you fan boys look pathetic! It is hilarious to watch you guys defend outdated hardware while posting millions of threads of your dream machine.

i agree.
i think apple's laptops is where they really excel, there desktops are really mediocre.

macpro's are great but still too pricey generally speaking.

i think if apple reconsidered there pricing scheme a bit it would look better for them, people wouldn't debate why they should buy an apple product when they can get more spec for the dough.

osx really sells there hardware though :cool: props to them there.

[macmee]

No doubt that OS X is by far the worlds greatest OS but I have to admit the the lack of updated hardware is really making you fan boys look pathetic! It is hilarious to watch you guys defend outdated hardware while posting millions of threads of your dream machine.

OS X runs far better on my Aluminum iMac than Vista did on any of my machines (which had the newest hardware at the time). This iMac is what I wanted, it's what I expected to get when I bought it a month ago when it would have had "outdated hardware" and I am very satisfied with it.

[TheAshMan]

I have been waiting for my 2005 HP Media Center to age enough so I have an excuse to by my first Mac, a 24" iMac. I get to use a Mac Pro and Macbook Pro for work (alongside my PC), but I have never had a Mac at home.

I have been excited to get the iMac since they switched to the aluminum body, the best looking computer ever I think. I love the look of the machine and want to have the iLife stuff to manage our family photos and create movies from digital tape. We are getting taxes back this year and the HP PC is 3 years old, so this is a go as soon as Apple releases new iMacs. I am having doubts though. I love the idea of an AIO and Apple's iMac is competitively priced, (HP and Dell's AIOs are about the same price) but prices for regular towers are amazing and give me pause. I priced an HP Media Center with the following:

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q9400 (2.66GHz) (3Mb cache)
6GB DDR2-800MHz dual channel SDRAM (2x2048,2x1024
1GB NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT [2 DVI, HDMI and VGA adapters]
500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Blu-ray writer & Lightscribe SuperMulti DVD burner
16x max. DVD-ROM

Dual (2) TV tuners, dual format ATSC-NTSC, PVR, 1 FM tuner, remote
HP w2408h 24 -inch widescreen flat panel monitor ( +$50 rebate)
HP stereo speakers with subwoofer and remote (2.1)

$1,739

That is pretty impressive, Good CPU, 6 GB RAM, great video card, a Blu-ray writer, the Media Center/DVR capability, and a 24" monitor. Could have more cache though and I can't see the bus speed.

However, I really want the iMac design, OS X, and iLife, so I'm pretty sure I am sticking with Apple, but man, that HP (Dell and Gateway have similar) is a tempting system. I see why people bring up an "xMac", there is a big hole in Apple's lineup for a mid-tower (or whatever). They can fit a whole lot more for less in that kind of system.

[WATCHDOG]

+++

Be Ye Forewarned! .. More of the same Cryptic Rantings! .. Just Re-Packaged! ;)

+++

Do the maths!

Total Computer Sales for 1st Qtr '09 (S'9.1) shall be less than (<) S'8.1

The same with Total :apple: Computer Sales -> S:apple:'9.1 < S:apple:'8.1

And, as pointed out, :apple:'s share of the S'09.1 Pie
will roughly follow the same pattern of the 1st Qtr's of previous years;
maybe even declining a skosh because of the current price boundary.

That is to say, because the pocket$ of consumers are not as bulgy
as they've been in past years, Apparent Better Buy$ (such as PC),
could easily become a partial-market-force this year.

With That Said, as we know, :apple: is not all about computers...

:apple: also sells items Below the current commoner price boundary of say $1000..

Such as iPhones and iPods and iApps and iVids, iMusics and iWhatevers..

The existence of :apple:'s non-Computer Sales weigh well in :apple:'s favor.

:apple: will prolly jump to the bleeding edge of technology
when the Demand Across the Computer Consumer Board calls for it..
i.e., when Consumers have the Dough to warrant that expensive leap.

With existing stocks of various tech items sitting on the shelves of :apple:,
Computer Tech-Bumps are doable Now without an exorbitant rise in production costs.

The Net Sales Required to put out a (from head to toe) totally new :apple: computer
should surpass the exorbitant costs of retooling a New 'Puter.

Ergo, the Virtue of Patience has its valid and sometimes unforeseen reward
for those who're forced to do with less than what they WANTed...

But Some ride that never-ending Wave of Technological Progress aka TomorrowStan..

Never ever fully satiated.. Always Looking for Tomorrow to arrive;
which, by Tomorrow's definition, can never arrive -> ergo FrustrationCity!

Perhaps the end of that line of forever-wishful-thinking,
is a super-brilliant (and perhaps beautiful) android (with a 42" 'monitor'!),
whom you can call your own: and who waits on you, 'skis' with you,
and answers every question that you could ever dream of. :o

And then you bore of him/her.. :(

And then? :eek:

;)

+++

[Yamcha]

sigh, I think they will probably come in March

[AidenShaw]

Mac Pro: No cost-effective (or purposeful) updates exist, therefore the current hardware is still meaningful.

macpro's are great but still too pricey generally speaking.


The humongous Mac Pro is OK unless you bring a quad Core i7 into the comparison. The Mac Pro is a good value compared to other dual Xeon workstations.

But, when a $949 Core i7 quad mini-tower is about the same speed and capability as a $2799 octo Mac Pro - that's the very definition of "too pricey".

The number of people who truly need an octo Xeon is pretty small. Some do, but many are just looking for something other than an Imac.

Mini...Imac...[..huge gaping hole in the product line here..]...Mac Pro

[Skorpion24]

sigh, I think they will probably come in March

Sure that they not come in february?
Because otherwise I'll buy a 24" 2.8ghz next week...

[Yamcha]

Sure that they not come in february?
Because otherwise I'll buy a 24" 2.8ghz next week...

Well there's always that possibility, but im thinking March because thats when the Mac Mini's are said to release.. If it does happen in February I will be glad! If I were you I'd wait it out..

[Skorpion24]

Because I'm waiting from november this updates :(

[TheIceLynx]

So, when I get my iMac, I'm gonna be using Logic Pro. Now, I'm on really limited funds here, so I can only afford the $1,199 model. I'm working on an album that I planned to self-release in May. Now, having said that, does anyone think that maybe the coming iMac updates would be good enough that performance in the low-end model would be boosted enough that I should probably wait, and push back my album's release date? Otherwise I planned my trip to the Apple Store for February 8th. It seems like a tough call to me, cuz I've been waiting a long, long time for a new Mac as it is. :(

[iMacmatician]

Well there's always that possibility, but im thinking March because thats when the Mac Mini's are said to release.. If it does happen in February I will be glad! If I were you I'd wait it out..Where did you hear March?

[Skorpion24]

From here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=641081).

[billmister]

January's not over yet.

FAIL

[iMacmatician]

FAILI should take my advice more often. *looks at sig*

:D

[ColinEC]

So, when I get my iMac, I'm gonna be using Logic Pro. Now, I'm on really limited funds here, so I can only afford the $1,199 model. I'm working on an album that I planned to self-release in May. Now, having said that, does anyone think that maybe the coming iMac updates would be good enough that performance in the low-end model would be boosted enough that I should probably wait, and push back my album's release date? Otherwise I planned my trip to the Apple Store for February 8th. It seems like a tough call to me, cuz I've been waiting a long, long time for a new Mac as it is. :(

I don't really think the new iMac's will have something that will enable you to do something new with Logic Pro then you can already do on one of the current iMacs.

If you are in need of money and releasing an album would be a source of income, it may be wiser to buy an iMac now, although a the new iMacs may be cheaper.

If you really depend on the income from the album, I would buy an iMac now. Who cares if a new iMac comes out and you've got an "old" machine, the base iMac will do plenty.

[xcreet]

So, when I get my iMac, I'm gonna be using Logic Pro. Now, I'm on really limited funds here, so I can only afford the $1,199 model. I'm working on an album that I planned to self-release in May. Now, having said that, does anyone think that maybe the coming iMac updates would be good enough that performance in the low-end model would be boosted enough that I should probably wait, and push back my album's release date? Otherwise I planned my trip to the Apple Store for February 8th. It seems like a tough call to me, cuz I've been waiting a long, long time for a new Mac as it is. :(

I'm currently running Logic Studio on a White 2.16GHz 20 inch iMac with 2GB RAM and it runs fine. Sure, if you're intending on recording 30+ tracks with heaps of plugins (especially memory hungry ones like "sound designer") then you may get some lag. I frequently demo my bands songs using software instruments and audio tracks with plugins and have not had a problem so far.
I would just do it now as I know how artists are itchin' to start a project. My advice is to get RAM (2GB minimum). The current standard iMac (with a RAM upgrade) will do most intermediate users (i.e. tracking 8-12 tracks of audio at a time).

Let me know when your album comes out!

[Yamcha]

lol no iMacs in February i guess :P, Im still waiting but in a dilemma once again, because I just started using Windows 7 and I really like it!! its like Leopard + Vista mixed.. Either way I'lll probably end up buying something in March, if the new iMac really blows my mind then I'll def get it.. or If theres nothing much new then probably an i7 Quad Core :}

[DiamondMac]

I bought an iMac in late '05 and it has been probably the best Apple purchase in my years of Apple products

It has never failed me, never given me any hardware damage, and never given me problems of any kind

Always works and has been as stable as could be since the day I bought

Maybe it doesn't have the best hardware but it sure as hell works great for me every time I use it

A lot more than I can say about my Dell/Gateway machines failing me every 4-5 months

[Xorro]

In some ways I wish I'd never found this forum, I could of bought myself an iMac back in December and been happily using it.

Instead I keep reading these damn rumours and using my twice-revived Vista PC.

Trouble is, I couldn't cope with buying one now, then finding that a better spec one comes out in a few months.

[macmee]

In some ways I wish I'd never found this forum, I could of bought myself an iMac back in December and been happily using it.

Instead I keep reading these damn rumours and using my twice-revived Vista PC.

Trouble is, I couldn't cope with buying one now, then finding that a better spec one comes out in a few months.

I bought one in Demember before I knew about these forums. Then after I discovered these forums everyone told me the new iMacs were coming out at MacWorld. MacWorld rolled by and nothing happened. All the January predictions were wrong too. I know know to listen to what everyone is saying, but don't believe any of it.

I'm happily using my iMac, however when the new iMacs come out you'll probably be glad you waited.

[DiamondMac]

Trouble is, I couldn't cope with buying one now, then finding that a better spec one comes out in a few months.
Would the new specs REALLY make a difference in your purchase? Really?

[Cloudgazer]

Would the new specs REALLY make a difference in your purchase? Really?

Only if the waiting period wasn't too long.

I'm looking to buy an imac.
didn't know a new release was scheduled.
I'll def wait a few weeks to see.

I purchased the last revision of the g4 powerbook.
A month later, they announced the swtich to intel.
I could have screamed.

[Tallest Skil]

I purchased the last revision of the g4 powerbook.
A month later, they announced the swtich to intel.
I could have screamed.

Yes, but you would have been waiting six months without a computer had you not purchased.

You had six months where your computer was the fastest thing on the market; that's almost* unprecedented.

Technology changes, and it's foolish to try to keep up with every revision. Snow Leopard marks the end of mainstream usability for PowerPC processors, but that doesn't mean you can't still use Leopard on them and keep them as secondary machines!

Use your fresh hardware as your primary computer until it can't manage the OS anymore, and then upgrade.

I expect to be able to use my Mac Pro as my primary machine for six years before needing to upgrade; a benefit of it being a workstation.

*I say almost because the Mac Pro gets updated every 1.5 years and the Mac Mini apparently gets updated every 1.75 years... The current iMacs are also over six months old, but back THEN it was unheard of.

[BenRoethig]

Technology changes, and it's foolish to try to keep up with every revision. Snow Leopard marks the end of mainstream usability for PowerPC processors, but that doesn't mean you can't still use Leopard on them and keep them as secondary machines!

I can attest to this. G3 iBook is still running panther. For daily use I don't see any problems. A G4 is going to run into hardware limitations long before it runs into the limitations of Tiger or Leopard to run programs.

[arlung]

still waiting for my new imac :(

maybe I better buy the new updated white macbook now :confused:

[Xorro]

Would the new specs REALLY make a difference in your purchase? Really?

I'm not desperate to buy so I'm happy to wait.

It would be like buying a new car, then finding out a month later you could have got a better model for the same money.

[wizard]

I'm not desperate to buy so I'm happy to wait.

It would be like buying a new car, then finding out a month later you could have got a better model for the same money.

While I'm far from in a hurry the potential is for a far better or improved Mac over what we would see in a car from one model year to the next. I say potential because it is not impossible for Apple to screw up the next model releases.

For example if the Minis replacement uses Atom and Apple doesn't introduce a higher end desk top machine that would be a screw up. Same thing if they fail to deliver an i7 based machine. One has to realize that there is only a potential that the new machines will be better than the old.

What is frustrating is that hardware for a Mini replacement is already available this the frustration with not knowing what is up at Apple. The iMac is in a different situation than the Mini as one has to be more thoughtful about how to redesign that machine to be significantly better.

In any event it looks like February will pass us by without new Macs. At least the rumor mill is completely dry. I take this to mean the hold ups have little to do with chips from Intel or Nvidia, but rather point to either Snow Leopard or custom chips for Apple. I'm actually leaning towards custom chips.

Let's all hope for something before April.


Dave

[Eric S.]

Same thing if they fail to deliver an i7 based machine.

I'm not optimistic about seeing i7 in an Apple computer. The iMac would have to be refocused away from mobile CPUs, and Apple seems adamant about not producing a midrange desktop, where the i7 would be a natural choice.

[kastenbrust]

I bet the next iMac gets a cheap Q660 or something similar.

Then Apple will be able to say "oh looks its Quad Core" and half the people on this forum will drool and the other intelligent half will laugh at them.

[PuckDaddy]

still waiting for my new imac :(

maybe I better buy the new updated white macbook now :confused:

man, I'm getting tired of waiting
this 2ghz G5 is still going strong, but it is limited in what it can do

the delay has got me questioning whether or not to go desktop, as there are the rare occasions when I want to be portable

the new/old Whitebook is somewhat of a value buy now, also considered the last gen 2.5ghz MBP, which can be had for a few hundred more

seems like they could at least give us a hint, to keep this interest piqued. sure it might deter some current iMac sales, but those who buy iMacs / Macbooks right now, more than likely won't buy new iMacs when they come out shortly......

if they do, they're not very good consumers

[petermcphee]

Then Apple will be able to say "oh looks its Quad Core" and half the people on this forum will drool and the other intelligent half will laugh at them.

This makes me confused as to which half I should try to emulate/respect. :)

[PuckDaddy]

Because I'm waiting from november this updates :(

been waiting since January '08 :o
really want one with 10.6
I really believe that the iMac's are ready, they're just waiting to release it simultaneously with SnL

[Eric S.]

I bet the next iMac gets a cheap Q660 or something similar.

Then Apple will be able to say "oh looks its Quad Core" and half the people on this forum will drool and the other intelligent half will laugh at them.

Do you mean Kentsfield (Q6600)? Even if Apple wanted to, how could it put a 95W CPU in an iMac?

I really believe that the iMac's are ready, they're just waiting to release it simultaneously with SnL

I don't think that strategy would make sense. Right now Apple is seeing potential sales bleed away to Windows machines because iMacs haven't been updated. If they were ready it would make a lot more sense to introduce them as "Snow Leopard-ready" and get customers on the hook for the OS upgrade with a significant discount for the OS with a new iMac purchase. If new iMacs aren't out yet, it can only mean they aren't ready for some reason.

[wizard]

I'm not optimistic about seeing i7 in an Apple computer. The iMac would have to be refocused away from mobile CPUs, and Apple seems adamant about not producing a midrange desktop, where the i7 would be a natural choice.


I can't say I'm extremely optimistic either but they will have to do something about the widening performance gap between iMacs and Mac Pros. That could easily be a new desktop product though. The problem is core i7 is a pretty substantial jump in performance over intels current mobile or small form factor line up.

So yeah Apple really needs something to fill that wide gap in performance. I'm not however convinced that they are dead set against it though. Rather the longer the delay in new hardware introductions the more likely we are to see new products to fill the gap. It otherwise appears that Apple is skipping the obvious processor choices.

Dave

[wizard]

Do you mean Kentsfield (Q6600)? Even if Apple wanted to, how could it put a 95W CPU in an iMac?

I see references to these thermal issues all the time and really have to wonder if people are dense or forgetful. That power level is in the same ball park as a G5, you do remember G5 iMacs right?

In the same manner people get all wound up about an i7 in an iMac because of it's thermal specs. They don't take into account the built in bridge and memory interface which drastically reduces power demand outside the chip, the use of newer spec RAM and lower power GPUs. With the right GPU most of the electronics for your PC would be on two chips and some RAM.

Beyond that there is no reason for Apple to run the chip maxed out either. Shaving a couple of hundred MHz would impact power usage substantially but still give Apple a platform with legs. Legs is an important consideration too as one does not want to invest in a motherboard and chipset with a very short lifespan.


Dave




I don't think that strategy would make sense. Right now Apple is seeing potential sales bleed away to Windows machines because iMacs haven't been updated. If they were ready it would make a lot more sense to introduce them as "Snow Leopard-ready" and get customers on the hook for the OS upgrade with a significant discount for the OS with a new iMac purchase. If new iMacs aren't out yet, it can only mean they aren't ready for some reason.

[Eric S.]

I can't say I'm extremely optimistic either but they will have to do something about the widening performance gap between iMacs and Mac Pros. That could easily be a new desktop product though. The problem is core i7 is a pretty substantial jump in performance over intels current mobile or small form factor line up.

So yeah Apple really needs something to fill that wide gap in performance. I'm not however convinced that they are dead set against it though. Rather the longer the delay in new hardware introductions the more likely we are to see new products to fill the gap. It otherwise appears that Apple is skipping the obvious processor choices.

Well, I'm expecting that the upcoming iMac refresh will offer a quad-core Penryn on at least one or two models, and the next update will come when mobile Nehalems are ready. But the midrange desktop that a lot of us would like to see remains the holy grail. :(

I see references to these thermal issues all the time and really have to wonder if people are dense or forgetful. That power level is in the same ball park as a G5, you do remember G5 iMacs right?

Sure, but it's my impression that with the switch to mobile CPUs the cooling characteristics of the iMac have changed to where they can no longer support desktop CPUs. Not that they couldn't be redesigned again, it's just that I don't think Apple will do that.

[champ01]

So, when I get my iMac, I'm gonna be using Logic Pro. Now, I'm on really limited funds here, so I can only afford the $1,199 model. I'm working on an album that I planned to self-release in May. Now, having said that, does anyone think that maybe the coming iMac updates would be good enough that performance in the low-end model would be boosted enough that I should probably wait, and push back my album's release date? Otherwise I planned my trip to the Apple Store for February 8th. It seems like a tough call to me, cuz I've been waiting a long, long time for a new Mac as it is. :(

First of all you don't need the newest imac to release a album or Logic Pro for good use :confused:

If you're serious about making music why go for imac?
Try getting a secondhand Mac Pro 2x2,66Ghz
It gives you PCI-e slots for DSP cards like SSL Duende and UA UAD and audio interfaces or nice graficscards for editing your music video's
I've got the same model with 7GB of RAM and it works top notch
Running Logic Studio, Final Cut Studio 2 and CS4 Photoshop having no problems at all
And for at least 2 more years this Mac Pro will work prefectly for every software or hardware out there making it even more cheaper then buying the newest imac :cool:

Imac is cool and all but if you want real power for audio & video editting get
yourself the Big Boy not the baby ;)

[shanmugam]

Appleinsider says "high end iMacs are drying up in the inventory"

hopefully we will have Mega March :D

[shanmugam]

now it is officially March 1 ! :D