Windows 7 Beta

[conshok26]

I have the beta installed on my aluminum MacBook and most things are working okay. I can't get the eject button to work for some reason and I can't get my bluetooth apple keyboard or mighty mouse to connect. Is anyone else having bluetooth issues?

[ying yang]

I made a thread about Windows 7 yesterday. I can't find it now for some reason. The heck?

Anyway, mine installed pretty smoothly except for audio which I did manage to fix with some help here. Eject worked fine after I installed the Boot Camp drivers. I haven't tried Bluetooth yet, sorry.

[SnowLeopard2008]

It's a beta. Expect some problems.

[ljay]

I made a thread about Windows 7 yesterday. I can't find it now for some reason. The heck?

Anyway, mine installed pretty smoothly except for audio which I did manage to fix with some help here. Eject worked fine after I installed the Boot Camp drivers. I haven't tried Bluetooth yet, sorry. how did you finally get the audio working ?

I have the beta installed on my aluminum MacBook and most things are working okay. I can't get the eject button to work for some reason and I can't get my bluetooth apple keyboard or mighty mouse to connect. Is anyone else having bluetooth issues? I've found that manually installing specific drivers usually does the trick, since there are no windows 7 drivers available on the the Leopard disk. I would manually install the 32 bit vista drivers.

[conshok26]

has anyone here gotten their bluetooth apple keyboards or mighty mouse to connect? I'll try the manual install later. It shows up as discoverable and says it connects to the mouse but the mouse doesn't do anything. I was able to use the mouse and keyboard during installation but not afterwards.

[singhy44]

I'm seriously thinking about doing this, it sounds great! However, if the eject button doesn't work, how do you get discs out? I hope I don't have the BT keyboard issues, as I have a Logitech wireless keyboard set (S530 for Mac), and it uses a USB receiver. How much space does the install take?

[conshok26]

I'm seriously thinking about doing this, it sounds great! However, if the eject button doesn't work, how do you get discs out? I hope I don't have the BT keyboard issues, as I have a Logitech wireless keyboard set (S530 for Mac), and it uses a USB receiver. How much space does the install take?

I acutally had that fixed with manually installing the keyboard driver. Still no luck with the Bluetooth though. I also noticed I have a exclamation on the Device Manager under Coprocessor and SM Bus Controller. Any idea on what I need to do for those?

[singhy44]

Well it's good that that works, but where do you find these drivers? Do you just get them from the Mac OS X disc, or do you download them from somewhere else?

[NoSmokingBandit]

Im still on the fence about trying windows 7 so early. It looks great with the libraries and stuff (much better than the way iPhoto manages pics, imo), but a reinstall is just too much work for something thats still beta.
Is it good as far as performance (keeping in mind that bugs are expected in a beta)?

[SpaceMagic]

I have to say, it works blummin well! Setup was a breeze and the whole system seems so much more robust and stable than vista.

[singhy44]

Well, got it, just putting it on DVD now. Hopefully it will work well, but not sure. Fingers crossed! I can install it using Boot Camp can't I? But where do you get those drivers?

[ljay]

Well, got it, just putting it on DVD now. Hopefully it will work well, but not sure. Fingers crossed! I can install it using Boot Camp can't I? But where do you get those drivers? works great. I didn't use bootcamp I had a drive laying around so I did a windows only install. I don't have audio at the moment but I will correct that soon. The drivers I used were the 32bit vista drivers on the leopard CD. I installed them manually. I believe most others did install using boot camp. My windows index score did drop to 3.0 which is odd

[NoSmokingBandit]

Your score probably dropped because the drivers arent all there or arent 100% correct for the system. You can expect it to be back up once the final build of win7 is out.
Im downloading this atm, im a little excited.

[ying yang]

how did you finally get the audio working ?

I installed the HD Vista drivers from the Realtek site. Well actually not the Realtek site, because it's unbelievably slow. I Googled the filename while waiting for them to download and found them somewhere else.

[amigokin]

The bluetooth drivers I'm using are not working with Beta1 of Windows 7. I get the "This device is not working properly because Windows cannot load the drivers required for this device. (Code 31)" error message.

Any suggestions?

[TJMeier]

I have the dual boot setup on the uni body macbook. I installed bootcamp after the 7 install and have no issues with sound or anything.
Windows 7 seems to be borrowing some ideas from Os X as far as the taskbar goes, which is great in my opinion. If you go to the bottom right corner of the screen with your mouse it turns all the windows transparent, almost like swiping four fingers up for the expose. Its actually pretty cool. Not as neat as expose however in my opinion.
Anyone installing make sure to go into the performance section in the control panel and have your system tested. I'm not sure if this is normal but mine was not done at first so I had to manually do it. All the eye candy stuff will be turned off until your system is tested.

[MatLane]

i really hope they do a better job on Windows 7...

But yer, its a beta. Expect some problems


Vista still runs like a beta

[amigokin]

Guys, does any of you have any problem with the "Apple Built-in Bluetooth" deivce under Device Manager or is just me?

Thanks in advance.

[conshok26]

Guys, does any of you have any problem with the "Apple Built-in Bluetooth" deivce under Device Manager or is just me?

Thanks in advance.

No I'm having a problem with it. It says it's connected to my keyboard and mouse but neither of them function.

[paulyras]

Are all of you installing using bootcamp, or has anyone done it using parallels or VMware? I tried installing using parallels, but to no avail. Any successes? Any tricks? I just tried to do it at a standard vista installation. It seemed to install fine, but when it rebooted, it just hung on the starting windows screen for a good 45 minutes or so (I wasn't sure if it was installing things behind the scenes).

I really need to keep my XP bootcamp partition, so I'd love to use a virtual machine....

Thanks in advance,

Paul

BTW- it's a unibody MBP I'm trying to install on.

[TJMeier]

Are all of you installing using bootcamp, or has anyone done it using parallels or VMware? I tried installing using parallels, but to no avail. Any successes? Any tricks? I just tried to do it at a standard vista installation. It seemed to install fine, but when it rebooted, it just hung on the starting windows screen for a good 45 minutes or so (I wasn't sure if it was installing things behind the scenes).

I really need to keep my XP bootcamp partition, so I'd love to use a virtual machine....

Thanks in advance,

Paul

BTW- it's a unibody MBP I'm trying to install on.

I have only been a mac user since the new ones came out. I don't have experience using parallels. I erased my Vista partition to install Windows 7 beta using Bootcamp. No idea how to use a virtual machine either.. Did you just do the UPGRADE option? You might want to try the complete install.

[ljay]

I have only been a mac user since the new ones came out. I don't have experience using parallels. I erased my Vista partition to install Windows 7 beta using Bootcamp. No idea how to use a virtual machine either.. Did you just do the UPGRADE option? You might want to try the complete install. I agree this is supposed to be a different product. I wouldn't use the upgrade option

[singhy44]

Well, it installed great! Just used Boot Camp in the normal way. In fact, I'm on it now, and although it's not as good as Mac, it's far better than Vista. I don't have the bluetooth issues as it's recognizing my iMac's internal bluetooth, but I don't have an Apple BT Keyboard. The only issue was that it failed to recognize the graphics card, but 10mins later, it finds the 'nVidia 8800M GTS', although this could have something do with the fact I had the Leopard Install Disk 2 inside at the time, although it wouldn't run. Otherwise, I have had no issues to speak of, and I would recommend it to those who don't like Vista, and don't want XP. However, where are these sound drivers? Also, my iSight isn't working, can you please give links?

[paulyras]

I have only been a mac user since the new ones came out. I don't have experience using parallels. I erased my Vista partition to install Windows 7 beta using Bootcamp. No idea how to use a virtual machine either.. Did you just do the UPGRADE option? You might want to try the complete install.

I actually just created a new virtual machine. When I refer to doing it as a Vista install, there are options for which OS you are installing, and I thought the vista option would be easiest. I'll try again with another option. I would imagine it should be doable.

Thanks for the thoughts though. I'll let you know how it works out.

Cheers,

Paul

[katak]

However, where are these sound drivers? Also, my iSight isn't working, can you please give links?

Yes.Does anyone know how to fix the sound problem?I can't get it work on my macbook..

btw.I use bootcamp to install Windows 7..

[Andrmgic]

Sound worked perfectly even without apple's drivers on my alu macbook.

The bootcamp drivers on my disc worked fine for everything.. have not tried the bluetooth, but I get a BT icon like it found it.

[katak]

Sound worked perfectly even without apple's drivers on my alu macbook.

The bootcamp drivers on my disc worked fine for everything.. have not tried the bluetooth, but I get a BT icon like it found it.

I had installed all drivers from OS X disc..I mean bootcamp drivers..but once I play music/movie, I can't hear anything from my machine(macbook white)..even with Windows 7 booting sound..

[klooney]

has anybody got this to work on vmware or parallel? I keep getting an error when the files are unpacking during the install. I've tried to run it as vista and windows server 2008 but no luck.

[KoolStar]

I am a beta tester as well, I installed it onto my WhiteBook, using fusion. I have to say i would use Windows 7 build 7000 over Vista RTM anyday right now.

[Syrus28]

Anyone else figure out the sound card issues? I get an error when I manually install the drivers from the Bootcamp disk.

[mrat93]

I actually just created a new virtual machine. When I refer to doing it as a Vista install, there are options for which OS you are installing, and I thought the vista option would be easiest. I'll try again with another option. I would imagine it should be doable.

Thanks for the thoughts though. I'll let you know how it works out.

Cheers,

Paul

There's an option for "Other Windows" which worked fine for me.

[abrasbr]

For those with audio problems, here is the link to the driver I downloaded.
Works fine.
http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

Another thing, i have here a unibody Macbook Pro, and i need to get bootcamp installed, so i can set up my trackpad. Has anyone installed it?Everytime i try to install i get error 2229.
Thanks,
Abras

[DannyBres]

Yer i have the latest build of it on my Alu MacBook. I ran bootcamp with no issues at all track pad and sound and shortcut keys all work really well :D

[Auzburner]

Hey, I just installed build 7000 on my WhiteBook using Fusion because BootCamp would not see the disk as bootable, anyway where can I get the appropriate drivers so that Win7 sees my wireless airport? Everything works, but the internet through that airport...
Thanks.

[bki122689]

wait i heard that windows 7 adapted some mac features like something similar to a dock on the desktop?

is this true?

[Auzburner]

wait i heard that windows 7 adapted some mac features like something similar to a dock on the desktop?

is this true?

Yeah, there is some sort of dock at the bottom, but it's not as similar as I thought it would be, but it is a copy of the concept.

[NoSmokingBandit]

wait i heard that windows 7 adapted some mac features like something similar to a dock on the desktop?

is this true?

Yeah, there is some sort of dock at the bottom, but it's not as similar as I thought it would be, but it is a copy of the concept.

Its not really a copy of the dock, it just looks similar because there are no text lables and the icons are bigger. Other than that it functions just like the vista taskbar with program grouping on.
The new taskbar is much better at handling multiple windows of the same app than the dock is.

[petermcphee]

What is the best concrete feature improvement over Vista that you early-adopters/beta-testers have run across? For me, the switch from XP to Vista brought with it a smoother UI, but not much else. What's better about 7?

[Auzburner]

What is the best concrete feature improvement over Vista that you early-adopters/beta-testers have run across? For me, the switch from XP to Vista brought with it a smoother UI, but not much else. What's better about 7?

To me I was looking for nothing more than speed. I completely skipped Vista, but feel Win7 is more refined much like we expect SnowLeopard to be... I like the new dock and how it simplifies multiple windows of a single program under the program's icon. To me the supposed framerate increases are most improved.

[aznguyen316]

installed it on my macbook. It was easy just installing form the iso data file and making a new virtual machine. set 768MB ram for the OS and 10GB for mem. Installation took up 3.3GB or so if I remember, so not bad!

VMWare Fusion 2

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3206/3155035856_9bc009eca5.jpg

it's a little small but you get the picture, no pun intended.

[Jollins]

Last night I installed Windows 7 beta on top of my Vista bootcamp partition using the upgrade function. Installation was a breeze, and everything took maybe an hour.

It just works, and I'm really amazed because I was expecting to have to troubleshoot at least one thing. I haven't had to reinstall any drivers or programs because everything from my Vista install (including apple drivers) carried over. I haven't run into any problems so far.

[TJMeier]

What is the best concrete feature improvement over Vista that you early-adopters/beta-testers have run across? For me, the switch from XP to Vista brought with it a smoother UI, but not much else. What's better about 7?

The UI looks very similar to Vista besides the new taskbar. The windows sidebar is gone now so any gadgets you want just go anywhere on the desktop(why can't my dashboard just be on my desktop!?!?). Like i mentioned in a post above, if you move the mouse to the bottom right it turns any open windows transparent so you can see the desktop.

I think the biggest improvement to me so far is the speed everything happens. Upon boot up I can instantly see everything and clicking on a program ex. Media Player, will open it right away. I'm used to booting and waiting for about a minute for everything to load. As others have said it just feels more refined. Possibly this time around they are just fine tuning everything over adding features. If feels to me like it could ship tomorrow and be MUCH better accepted then Vista is..not that that would be too hard to do.

Now bring on Snow Leopard.

[paulyras]

There's an option for "Other Windows" which worked fine for me.

You are correct. Thanks for the help. Incidently, for some odd reason, if you just use "other" instead of "other windows", it hangs about 1 minute into the install every time. I have no idea why it would be different, but it is.

Now, if I could only get Aero working on my MBP unibody (I know parallels doesn't support aero at this time at all)...

Cheers,

Paul

[pj-]

I upgraded an existing vista bootcamp install to windows 7. Works great, but now I get a blue screen every time I try to boot into it with VMWare. I've tried changing the OS to Other and Windows server 2008, and I've tried downgrading it, nothing has worked.

Anyone able to get it working?

[minijon]

I've replaced my Vista VM with Windows 7. It takes much less to run well - for what I'm doing, 512 is plenty.

Just trying to find some differences, other than the UI and the cleanup of the general Hoggy-ness of the system, the "Homegroup" function seems to be a major new feature. Some sort of automatic media serving function.

On the network, I just had to name it Fishtank.

(Vista was "Pigpen")

[hhlee]

sounds cool that it can run better with less resources - for those that are running it now, can your favorite xp/vista apps work on it? i've read that the core is pretty much the same as in vista - the biggest revamp is in the visual displays. interesting that the visuals take up all those resources. maybe this is why people are moving towards pushing the visuals onto the graphx cards.

[MKnight]

I have build 7000 running in Bootcamp and it's amazing. I actually liked Vista and didn't have issues with it, however this latest version is shaping up to be a big improvement in many areas.

[minijon]

Yes, Win7 is meant to be directly compatible with all Vista 32bit software/drivers. Which means that the Apple 32-bit vista drivers should work great. 32bit Vista software should work fine too.

[NoSmokingBandit]

sounds cool that it can run better with less resources - for those that are running it now, can your favorite xp/vista apps work on it? i've read that the core is pretty much the same as in vista - the biggest revamp is in the visual displays. interesting that the visuals take up all those resources. maybe this is why people are moving towards pushing the visuals onto the graphx cards.

I had it running in a VM with 1024mb ram and after boot it had plateaued at ~260 mb usage. Very impressive.
I've not tried many apps on it, but from what i hear they all work fine. Much better than the Tiger->Leo transition :(

[MKnight]

I had it running in a VM with 1024mb ram and after boot it had plateaued at ~260 mb usage. Very impressive.
I've not tried many apps on it, but from what i hear they all work fine. Much better than the Tiger->Leo transition :(


LOL tell me about it... Leopard still isn't 100% yet.

[MKnight]

What is the best concrete feature improvement over Vista that you early-adopters/beta-testers have run across? For me, the switch from XP to Vista brought with it a smoother UI, but not much else. What's better about 7?

So far for me it's the overall "first and finish", and since they are still in beta the UI is still being refined.

Overall everything runs faster than in Vista on my MacBook Pro and also I do like the new Explorer UI. In fact, Explorer is now better than the latest version of finder IMHO.

[Peace]

how did you finally get the audio working ?

Anyone else figure out the sound card issues? I get an error when I manually install the drivers from the Bootcamp disk.

The best way to install Windows 7 is as an upgrade from Vista on a separate partition. Uninstall the realtek drivers supplied by Apple and just use the "sound" panel.

[MKnight]

The best way to install Windows 7 is as an upgrade from Vista on a separate partition. Uninstall the realtek drivers supplied by Apple and just use the "sound" panel.

I did a clean install of Windows 7 build 7000 in boot camp and had no need to install audio drivers. They worked out of the box.

[petermcphee]

Is it true that Windows 7 beta is less resource-hungry than Vista?

[NoSmokingBandit]

Is it true that Windows 7 beta is less resource-hungry than Vista?
Yes, nery much so.
In fact, Explorer is now better than the latest version of find IMHO.

Explorer has always been better than finder, imo, but the new explorer is incredible.

[pj-]

Anyone having problems connecting to the internet in Fusion? It doesn't like my ethernet adapter driver or something

[Auzburner]

Anyone having problems connecting to the internet in Fusion? It doesn't like my ethernet adapter driver or something

Yeah, the VM Win7 build 7000 for me will not recognize my MacBook's wireless antennae.

[petermcphee]

Yes, nery much so.


Explorer has always been better than finder, imo, but the new explorer is incredible.

This sounds like something I should definitely check out then. *Runs off to fire up the Linux Bittorret Box*

[NoSmokingBandit]

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3236&page=1
^^For those interested in performance compared to Xp and Vista. Its not as detailed as i would like, but its a good reference.

edit: Slightly more detailed, but based on an older build:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3187&tag=nl.e550

[shawnjan]

I got mine working, but the video card isnt identified and neither is the monitor, meaning I have a ****** resolution.. Anyone else have the same problem on a macbook pro?

[shawnjan]

nvm, windows ran a windows update and it found/installed the drivers for me :D

So far windows 7 is a very solid operating system.

[TPMann GB]

I have Windows 7 installed on Boot Camp- the main reason is so I can play games and use Office 2007. Hate to say it but I'm quite impressed so far.

I think my MacBook Pro runs Windows better than PCs do! It's faster, more stable and battery life is longer than under Vista. Only thing I had to do was download Realtek HD Audio Codec drivers to make sound work.

Looking forward to Snow Leopard though, worried I might start getting addicted to Windows 7's snazzy new Superbar!

[MKnight]

I have Windows 7 installed on Boot Camp- the main reason is so I can play games and use Office 2007. Hate to say it but I'm quite impressed so far.

I think my MacBook Pro runs Windows better than PCs do! It's faster, more stable and battery life is longer than under Vista. Only thing I had to do was download Realtek HD Audio Codec drivers to make sound work.

Looking forward to Snow Leopard though, worried I might start getting addicted to Windows 7's snazzy new Superbar!

The only good thing about Snow Leopard is that it will be faster... other than that it will look exactly the same and Finder will still be meh...

[nylon]

Installed Windows 7 Beta1 on Alu Macbook 2.4. I am extremely impressed at how stable and solid this build feels. Installed bootcamp drivers of leopard disk and installed VMware Fusion drivers. It just works! That is surprising from Microsoft.

[MKnight]

I like the new device manager. It recognizes my computer as a MacBook Pro :)

http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp29/AlexTKnight/devicemanager.jpg

[FX120]

Although I don't have 7 installed on any of my Macs, I do have it installed on a PC, and even though the specs aren't awesome, the performance is great and IMO so far it is the fastest and most responsive OS I have ever used. Everything just feels right about this release, and I am really looking forward to the final version to be released, perhaps the only time I have been excited about a new release of Windows...

This article does a good job covering all the new tweaks and features in 7:
http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp

[ltldrummerboy]

Just installed on a 2.2Ghz MacBook w/4GB RAM and 250GB 5400RPM HD. Very impressed. I had XP installed on this same setup a while ago but I think this runs even better.

My Windows index score is 3.5.

PS- Running 7 right now.

[louden]

I upgraded my Bootcamp image to Windows 7 Ultimate from Windows Vista Ultimate - and so far, so good -

- I haven't had any driver problems, but am not using BT for anything. Audio upgraded just fine for me.
- All my apps are working
- Windows 7 Graphics are working great. I'm using aero, and the performance monitor isn't pegging each time I move a window (as it did with Vista)
- I like how it outlines "drop zone" when you move windows around...
- I was able to start up my Bootcamp image in Fusion - no issues noted, although it wasn't as smooth as an XP VM

I'll jump on the bandwagon. Hands down better than Vista. Microsoft might really be in for a problem if NOBODY buys Vista now that Windows 7 is around the corner. If I hadn't bought Vista yet, I'd say wait for this and screw Vista.

FYI - I'm running a late 2006 Merom MBP and my Windows Experience Index is 4.5 (held back by graphics).

I'm also running an image of Windows 7 Beta 1 on VMWare Fusion on my Mac Pro -

It's pretty darned fast. Much easier to work with than Vista in a VM. I tried to run the Experience Index on the VM, but it craps out each time. Not sure why that is, but that's the only issue I had.

If Microsoft didn't actually plant those releases on the web, I'll bet their happy with the result anyway. Now if they can just get rid of the bloat in office.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Now if they can just get rid of the bloat in office.

From what i have heard, the guy who is usually in charge of office development is in charge of windows 7 development. So i found this a bit ironic. I've not used MS office in years so idk what it handles like, but maybe switching the chiefs around will make it better for everything in MS-Land. Win7 is shaping up to be pretty amazing.

[TPMann GB]

From what i have heard, the guy who is usually in charge of office development is in charge of windows 7 development. So i found this a bit ironic. I've not used MS office in years so idk what it handles like, but maybe switching the chiefs around will make it better for everything in MS-Land. Win7 is shaping up to be pretty amazing.

It's Steven Sinofsky who was in charge of Office 2007 and is now in charge of Windows 7. In addition to Apple blogs, I keep an eye on Windows stuff & to see what they are saying about Apple at:

http://www.winsupersite.com

Some good Windows 7 coverage there.

[Tenorsaw]

I can't get any sound on my iMac.

[ltldrummerboy]

I'm having a pretty strange problem. Last night I shut the lid to put it to sleep in Windows. The sleep light came on right away and I went to sleep. This morning I get up and see that the sleep light is off. I turn it on and it does a cold boot. Anyone else getting this?

[Pees330]

I can't get any sound on my iMac.

Install the audio driver that someone put the link to on page 2 of this thread.

[acfusion29]

I am having no problems on my Alu. MacBook. It's stable, and it's running great. Big improvement from Vista.

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

[TPMann GB]

I am having no problems on my Alu. MacBook. It's stable, and it's running great. Big improvement from Vista.

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

There might be a keyboard shortcut, but I just use On-Screen Keyboard from Accessibility menu.

[MKnight]

I am having no problems on my Alu. MacBook. It's stable, and it's running great. Big improvement from Vista.

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

Use the "snipping" tool which was also included in Vista. In the start menu search box, typing "snipping". You can easily take screen captures of selected windows.

[BenRoethig]

Well, it installed great! Just used Boot Camp in the normal way. In fact, I'm on it now, and although it's not as good as Mac, it's far better than Vista. I don't have the bluetooth issues as it's recognizing my iMac's internal bluetooth, but I don't have an Apple BT Keyboard. The only issue was that it failed to recognize the graphics card, but 10mins later, it finds the 'nVidia 8800M GTS', although this could have something do with the fact I had the Leopard Install Disk 2 inside at the time, although it wouldn't run. Otherwise, I have had no issues to speak of, and I would recommend it to those who don't like Vista, and don't want XP. However, where are these sound drivers? Also, my iSight isn't working, can you please give links?

It found the graphics card just fine. Apple uses the desktop 8800GS branding on the mobile 8800M GTS. Its nothing new.

[NoSmokingBandit]

I am having no problems on my Alu. MacBook. It's stable, and it's running great. Big improvement from Vista.

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

PC Keyboards have a "print screen" button. Since mac keyboard dont have this you have to use the snipping tool and grab the whole screen. F13 might work though if you have that on your kb. Its hard to remember what mac keyboards have what keys.

[acfusion29]

PC Keyboards have a "print screen" button. Since mac keyboard dont have this you have to use the snipping tool and grab the whole screen. F13 might work though if you have that on your kb. Its hard to remember what mac keyboards have what keys.

I know what PC keyboards have :p

F13 wouldn't work because there is no F13 on my MacBook.

[NoSmokingBandit]

All mac keyboards have a different key array so idk what you were working with :D
Snipping tool it is then, eh?


Also @ MKnight:
I love that Windows shows your MBP as (random black spot)-PC. A Mac is a pc. Steve likes to make people think that macs are made of magic and unicorn droppings when in fact they are nothing more than a pc with apple's tpm taped on. At least MS isnat arrogant enough to make a beachball icon for macs :P

[Tenorsaw]

Install the audio driver that someone put the link to on page 2 of this thread.

Thanks. I'm downloading it now. It's a very slow download.

[NewGenAdam]

Thanks. I'm downloading it now. It's a very slow download.

Tell me... Was quicker to find, download, install, open, and download it with, Flashget!!

I just wish there were better touchpad drivers for the Air. Apple's boot camp ones are undeniably dire.

[Tenorsaw]

Install the audio driver that someone put the link to on page 2 of this thread.

Up and running now. Thanks.

[louden]

I am having no problems on my Alu. MacBook. It's stable, and it's running great. Big improvement from Vista.

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

Without a PC keyboard, it could be tough, but Windows 7 also has a lasso tool, where you can grab an image from some section of the screen.

[BenRoethig]

Without a PC keyboard, it could be tough, but Windows 7 also has a lasso tool, where you can grab an image from some section of the screen.

Control maps to control, option maps to ALT, and command maps to the windows key. There shouldn't be any loss in function except for the menu key.

[Santa Rosa]

Can anyone tell me how to screenshot?

Check out my answer in this thread here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=236049&page=2&highlight=print+screen)

Hope that helps :)

[FX120]

Control maps to control, option maps to ALT, and command maps to the windows key. There shouldn't be any loss in function except for the menu key.
I can't recal having seen a 'Print Screen' button on an Apple keyboard in a very long time...

[conshok26]

There was a update to Parallels that has some support for Windows 7 in it. I have it installed and I'm having a problem with the taskbar...there is none. When ever I start up it shows the taskbar but 2 seconds later it's gone. It's not hidden it's like it doesn't exist. Any ideas?

[nillls]

Everything working fine here on my whitebook, however Windows can't find the correct drivers for my ethernet card in parallels. Are there any generic drivers or anything that will work?

[rekhyt]

So how do you get Windows 7 again? Anyone can give me the link?

[Nermal]

So how do you get Windows 7 again? Anyone can give me the link?

It is currently only available to registered testers via Connect. It should be available to developers this week, but I don't know when a public release is planned (other than that it'll be after the dev release).

[Mikael]

I've got it installed on my desktop PC on a brand new WD 640GB drive. I've only explored it for a few hours, but so far it seems very nice. A great feature for widescreen owners is that you can now drag a windows to the left or right edge of the screen and Windows will enlarge it to cover exactly that half of the screen. And you can just drag the window to the top of the screen to maximize it. Works very well.

I'll try to get back with more thoughts and a few benchmarks tomorrow.

[bki122689]

i think windows 7 is going to be a much better competitor to snow leopard

[MKnight]

i think windows 7 is going to be a much better competitor to snow leopard

Agreed...

One thing I hope Apple improves is the performance of CoverFlow. It doesn't seem to cache previews at all and is always slow.

[thejadedmonkey]

From what i have heard, the guy who is usually in charge of office development is in charge of windows 7 development. So i found this a bit ironic. I've not used MS office in years so idk what it handles like, but maybe switching the chiefs around will make it better for everything in MS-Land. Win7 is shaping up to be pretty amazing.

Having used Office '03 and '07 on reasonably quick PC's, I can say that it's not a bloated piece of doggie droppings like the mac version is. I just opened it up now, the splash screen showed for a second and then it was up. No complaints with it.

I can't wait for my MBP to come back from Apple repair land, even unrepaired, I'm installing Win 7 on it ASAP, and it'll probably stay like that until MS releases "7" in the summer (next winter?)

With vista, MS finally got the memory management right so it didn't feel bloated, IF you have some insane amounts of RAM installed. From what I've heard, "7" is the same, but without the insane RAM requirement, making me one very happy camper indeed!

[bki122689]

Agreed...

One thing I hope Apple improves is the performance of CoverFlow. It doesn't seem to cache previews at all and is always slow.

yep cant wait for macworld demo of snow leopard

[yayitsezekiel]

There was a update to Parallels that has some support for Windows 7 in it. I have it installed and I'm having a problem with the taskbar...there is none. When ever I start up it shows the taskbar but 2 seconds later it's gone. It's not hidden it's like it doesn't exist. Any ideas?

go to the start menu and go to "RUN"

click that and type in: explorer.exe

should work

[The Flashing Fi]

I can't wait for my MBP to come back from Apple repair land, even unrepaired, I'm installing Win 7 on it ASAP, and it'll probably stay like that until MS releases "7" in the summer (next winter?)


It will likely RTM around October/November. It might go public around that time (Vista RTMed I think in October IIRC, but wasn't released until January 30th to the public IIRC).

Windows 7 will still need to hit Release Candidate stage and Pre-RTM stage.

For anyone who's wondering, RTM= Release to Manufacturing. I think Apple refers to it as going Gold or something like that.

[ltldrummerboy]

There was a update to Parallels that has some support for Windows 7 in it. I have it installed and I'm having a problem with the taskbar...there is none. When ever I start up it shows the taskbar but 2 seconds later it's gone. It's not hidden it's like it doesn't exist. Any ideas?

go to the start menu and go to "RUN"

click that and type in: explorer.exe

should work

What start menu? There's no taskbar to click on.

Possible fix: Use Ctrl-Alt-Del or equivalent on your Mac keyboard. Then open the task manager. In one of the tabs or menus is an option to add a process. Add "explorer.exe" as stated above.

[FX120]

It will likely RTM around October/November. It might go public around that time (Vista RTMed I think in October IIRC, but wasn't released until January 30th to the public IIRC).

Windows 7 will still need to hit Release Candidate stage and Pre-RTM stage.

For anyone who's wondering, RTM= Release to Manufacturing. I think Apple refers to it as going Gold or something like that.

From what I have heard so far the expected retail release of 7 is due Q3 2009.

And I don't see why it should take any longer than that. 7 is very mature at this point, it has been in development for nearly 5 years now, we have already seen several very stable and mature internal betas with only a few UI tweaks really needed, public beta is expected later this month, the release canidate should be about 2 months behind that, and RTM about a month after that.

After all the Vista delays Microsoft is really under a lot of pressure to release 7 on time, and everyone at MS including the big man Bill himself has promised a 2009 release.

[SolRayz]

This may be a noob question but if I choose the upgrade option from Vista to Windows 7 will I need to reinstall all my programs, or does it carry over into the new OS?

[BenRoethig]

This may be a noob question but if I choose the upgrade option from Vista to Windows 7 will I need to reinstall all my programs, or does it carry over into the new OS?

Its should be a straight upgrade, you shouldn't have to reinstall anything. That being said, since it is a beta, expect quirks.

[The Flashing Fi]

From what I have heard so far the expected retail release of 7 is due Q3 2009.

And I don't see why it should take any longer than that. 7 is very mature at this point, it has been in development for nearly 5 years now, we have already seen several very stable and mature internal betas with only a few UI tweaks really needed, public beta is expected later this month, the release canidate should be about 2 months behind that, and RTM about a month after that.

After all the Vista delays Microsoft is really under a lot of pressure to release 7 on time, and everyone at MS including the big man Bill himself has promised a 2009 release.

Windows 7 has not been in development for 5 years now. Development on Windows 7 started around the time Windows Vista was released.

It might RTM Q3 of 2009, but if it RTMs, that doesn't mean the consumers will get it at that time. There will still be quite a few months that we'll have to wait for MS to print off a sufficient amount of disks. Vista RTMed in November, but wasn't released to the consumer market (us) until late January 2007.

You also really can't justify that Windows 7 will be done in Q3 because of the fact that Windows 7 Beta 1 is stable. Windows Vista Beta 1/2 were pretty stable (although Beta 1 was just incomplete, beta 2 was feature complete and pretty stable), but we still saw 2 Release Candidates.

[conshok26]

There was a update to Parallels that has some support for Windows 7 in it. I have it installed and I'm having a problem with the taskbar...there is none. When ever I start up it shows the taskbar but 2 seconds later it's gone. It's not hidden it's like it doesn't exist. Any ideas?
I reinstalled and it seemed to fix the problem. Not sure what the cause was. We'll see how it goes.

[stainlessliquid]

how many GBs does Windows 7 take up after installing?

[ltldrummerboy]

Mine took about 13GB. I didn't check to see if there's a way to cut back on it. I'm sure there is.

[The Flashing Fi]

Mine took about 13GB. I didn't check to see if there's a way to cut back on it. I'm sure there is.

Hibernate also takes up space. I think it's the same amount as how much RAM is available to Windows. Also, the page file takes up space, which I think is also dependent on how much memory is available.

Just things to take in consideration when calculating how much HDD space a Windows OS uses.;)

[jmacproguy]

Has anyone else with a 1st Gen Mac Pro been able to make it through the install (bootcamp) without a BSOD? The Bluescreen is saying that the nvidia driver is the culprit...

[thejadedmonkey]

Mine took about 13GB. I didn't check to see if there's a way to cut back on it. I'm sure there is.

I just gave it a 10 gig drive to use, and it only took up 6.5 gigs, maybe you got the full install where as I didn't get the printer drivers or something? *shrug*

[ltldrummerboy]

I gave mine 40GB to work with and 13GB is what it came up with. Did anyone see a way to customize the install?

[MacRumorUser]

Installed in parallels today, and also installed the os on my MSI Wind.

Parallels seems to hang here and there, however on my little wind it runs like a trooper.

[Mikael]

I gave mine 40GB to work with and 13GB is what it came up with. Did anyone see a way to customize the install?
Gave mine 128GB, didn't customize anything and it ended up just north of 8GB. Try to run Disk Cleanup and see if it finds any crap you can remove.

[Nermal]

Windows 7 is now available to MSDN and Technet subscribers.

[ltldrummerboy]

Thanks Mikael, will do.

Edit: Down to about 9GB now after deleting the hibernation cache. I don't know why my install is so much larger than others.

[macfan881]

steve balmer announced a public Beta Will be up on Friday i think i may give this a shot..http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10135791-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.1

[Stridder44]

Windows 7 is now available to MSDN and Technet subscribers.

Indeed, and it will be available to anyone & everyone on the 9th. Damn, I really want to try it out (the 64-bit, non-torrent version). My main concern is drivers working correctly on my early '08 MBP. It's sad, but I find myself using Vista64 more than Leopard these days as the airport wireless card driver for OS X sucks (yes, even after 10.5.6).

[Nermal]

Indeed, and it will be available to anyone & everyone on the 9th.

Which makes me question why we're paying thousands of dollars for "early access" when it's only a couple of days.

[Andrmgic]

Which makes me question why we're paying thousands of dollars for "early access" when it's only a couple of days.

Very good question there.. I think in most instances, they aren't ready for the masses to get their hands on it... but this windows is cooked enough for public consumption.. aside from the mp3 corruption issue, which has a patch available for official testers as of now, I believe.

Also, the public beta will be limited to 2.5 million downloads.

[jaw04005]

Just a quick note, the public beta is only going to be available to the first 2.5 million downloaders. So, get it Friday.

"The Windows 7 Beta is going to be available download-only (we’re not sending out physical media) and available for a limited time to the first 2.5 million people who download the beta."

http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/01/08/recap-of-microsoft-ces-announcements.aspx

[nanofrog]

Which makes me question why we're paying thousands of dollars for "early access" when it's only a couple of days.
Guinea pigs err...Beta Testers that have to pay for the privilege of helping Microsoft? :eek: What ever happened to companies paying the Beta Testers?

If not a check, at least in free goodies. :p

Oh...wait a minute...this is Microsoft. "Where the world is turned upside down". :D
Also, the public beta will be limited to 2.5 million downloads.
I hadn't seen this part anywhere. Thanks for the heads up. :)

[Nermal]

aside from the mp3 corruption issue, which has a patch available for official testers as of now, I believe.

That is correct, it's listed in my available downloads.

Also, the public beta will be limited to 2.5 million downloads.

I wasn't aware of that. I haven't been following the public beta since I have a subscription.


Anyway, I've installed it and so far it seems pretty "snappy". I'm running it in VMware with 1 GB of memory allocated and no performance issues so far. I will install it onto real hardware once my replacement DVD drive arrives...

Guinea pigs err...Beta Testers that have to pay for the privilege of helping Microsoft? :eek: What ever happened to companies paying the Beta Testers?

If not a check, at least in free goodies. :p

I got an HP Mini-Note out of them :) ... which I then sold :p

[nanofrog]

I got an HP Mini-Note out of them :) ... which I then sold :p
ROFL! :D :p

I don't blame you. Cash is king. :D

[Stridder44]

Also, the public beta will be limited to 2.5 million downloads.

Oh wow. I wonder how fast it will go then. :eek:

[nanofrog]

Oh wow. I wonder how fast it will go then. :eek:
I was thinking the same thing. :)

And how big is it? :eek: All day maybe? :p

[Nermal]

32-bit is 2.4 GB, 64-bit 3.2 GB.

[FX120]

The Vista beta was limited to 2m downloads if I remember correctly, took about a month before they closed it.

Outside of the techies of the world not to many people are all that excited about a beta version of an OS...

[Peace]

The mp3 patch is there because Windows 7 uses the H.264 AVC mpeg-4 standard now.

"
This software includes H.264/MPEG-4 AVC visual compression technology. MPEG LA, L.L.C. requires this notice
THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED UNDER THE AVC PATENT PORTFOLIO LICENSE FOR THE PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE OF A CONSUMER TO (i) ENCODE VIDEO IN COMPLIANCE WITH AVC STANDARD (“AVC VIDEO”) AND/OR (ii) DECODE AVC VIDEO THAT WAS ENCODED BY A CONSUMER ENGAGED IN A PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERICAL ACTIVITY AND/OR WAS OBTAINED FROM A VIDEO PROVIDER LICENSED TO PROVIDE AVC VIDEO. NO LICENSE IS GRANTED OR SHALL BE IMPLIED FOR ANY OTHER USE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE OBTAINED FROM MPEG LA, L.L.C SEE HTTP://WWW.MPEGLA.COM

[nanofrog]

32-bit is 2.4 GB, 64-bit 3.2 GB.

Thanks. :)

[Nermal]

The mp3 patch is there because Windows 7 uses the H.264 AVC mpeg-4 standard now.

I didn't even bother with downloading that. "Looks like a licence, I'll just smile and nod" :p

[Peace]

I didn't even bother with downloading that. "Looks like a licence, I'll just smile and nod" :p

Ya I know what you mean. It's only interesting because it appears Windows is getting with the times and using H.264 now. Which is a good thing.:)

[Stridder44]

Ya I know what you mean. It's only interesting because it appears Windows is getting with the times and using H.264 now. Which is a good thing.:)

From what I hear WMP (12? Whatever newer version is in Windows 7) can handle pretty much any codec (save Quicktime and Real). No more need for VLC or Media Player Classic!

[Nermal]

I put in a Blu-ray and it recognised it and attempted to play it. I'm running in VMware which likely lacks the required acceleration etc but it was still interesting. Will try an HD DVD on real hardware later (no BR drive in my other machine).

[Andrmgic]

It won't play things in .mkv containers and it will not play apple lossless audio formats.. but it plays pretty much everything else I've tossed into it.

Here are some of my favorite things about Wmp 12 and Windows 7

Libraries and homegroup integration... the libraries on my other networked windows 7 machines show up on the left automatically and I can create playlists of content that resides on different machines.

If I dump a new avi file or some such into any of the folders I've included in my videos library on my desktop, my alu macbook's wmp window automatically updates to reflect the change in a couple seconds.

I also like that I can send media to be played on different networked devices.. if I'm in another room with my notebook and want to play something out of the stereo in the living room from my pc, I can use my notebook as a remote to control what plays on my desktop. I can send a whole playlist, mixed with music, video and photos to any other machine on my network that has wmp open and has been allowed to receive media.

With the talk of "smart" tvs that do more in the future.. if a television could work as an extender or a networked media device that could receive media from any of my computers, that would be incredibly sweet.

[MacRumorUser]

I actually really like Windows 7 (beta 1) so far.

Surprisingly stable, peformance is vastly improved on Vista, and running even on my atom netbook its speedy, responsive and very easy to use.

Aero works a charm, I like the new taskbar and icon display / information.

So far so good, and this is only BETA 1 ? God I hope they don't balls this up like they did vista....

[Stridder44]

I actually really like Windows 7 (beta 1) so far.

Surprisingly stable, peformance is vastly improved on Vista, and running even on my atom netbook its speedy, responsive and very easy to use.

Aero works a charm, I like the new taskbar and icon display / information.

So far so good, and this is only BETA 1 ? God I hope they don't balls this up like they did vista....


From what I've heard, the Vista beta worked nothing like this. Far worse in fact. So this is a pretty good sign.

[SolRayz]

Here is what I did.

Fresh bootcamp install of build 7000 on Blackbook 2.4
-install took about 20 minutes.
-all bootcamp 2.1 drivers working except audio.
-dl Realtek driver vista_213.exe and voila.
-no issues

Upgrade option on MBP SR 2.4 from Vista SP1 bootcamp.
-upgrade took one hour.
-all programs/games (including GTA IV) transferred and working except daemon tools.
-all bootcamp 2.1 drivers working/no issues

VMware Fusion
- forced to uninstall and then reinstalled VMware Fusion 2.0.1 inorder to update my bootcamp partition virtual config. Set Windows 7 in VMware with Windows Server 2008 configuration with no problems and all VMware drivers working. Very snappy compared to Vista in VMware Fusion. Unity working well!

In both instances the install/upgrade was simple and relatively painless. I already enjoy Windows 7 over Vista SP1 in terms of speed and performance. Despite some discussion and debate on the efficacy of the new taskbar, I like it, somewhat copying the ideas from Mac OS. The OS looks clean and refined. Me thinks Microsoft is heading in the right direction with this one.


For GTA IV fans...

I only briefly tested GTA IV after the upgrade with the default bootcamp 167.XX drivers and surprisingly the game actually runs with no texture loss, poor fps, but runs. Not the case under Vista. I have not yet tried the 180.84 DOX Optimized drivers as of yet.:D

[gumbyx84]

I am enjoying Win7 Beta myself. Running it in VMWare Fusion on BootCamp partition and it runs without much issue (when I do, it can be associated to the VM).

One bug I found though: Whenever I (and a co-worker) run MineSweeper, the system hangs. You can move the mouse pointer around, but the system doesn't respond to anything. I am going to try it out while in BootCamp. Funny problem if you ask me. Anyone else find this "bug"?

@SolRayz and other VMWare Fusion users: You don't need to uninstall Fusion to get it to recognize your new BootCamp Partition. You just need to delete the config file for it. Point Finder to <user>->Library->Application Support-> VMWare Fusion->Virtual Machines->Boot Camp. Delete the contents of the folder, then launch Fusion. When you try to start the Boot Camp VM, it should reconfigure it for your "new" Boot Camp partition

[decob]

I installed win 7 on my bootcamp partition on my 1st gen macbook - fresh install. Via bootcamp works fine. Then tried using it with vmware fusion - but neither the wireless card or the ethernet port are being recognises - well in the ethernet case it's appears as an invalid driver. Any one else having these problems or found a solution.

[Cask]

Just downloaded Windows 7 beta last night and installed. Everything seems to be working much better than it ever did in Vista. Everything seems smoother and faster. I already submitted a couple of bugs I've found but nothing major. I really like the new task bar, but the libraries are taking me some time to get used to.

I was also a tester for Vista, and God what a difference. Not even RC1 was close to Windows 7 beta, and this is only beta 1 (only beta?). If they continue like this I'm sure they could release it by June or July.

[SolRayz]

I am enjoying Win7 Beta myself. Running it in VMWare Fusion on BootCamp partition and it runs without much issue (when I do, it can be associated to the VM).

One bug I found though: Whenever I (and a co-worker) run MineSweeper, the system hangs. You can move the mouse pointer around, but the system doesn't respond to anything. I am going to try it out while in BootCamp. Funny problem if you ask me. Anyone else find this "bug"?

@SolRayz and other VMWare Fusion users: You don't need to uninstall Fusion to get it to recognize your new BootCamp Partition. You just need to delete the config file for it. Point Finder to <user>->Library->Application Support-> VMWare Fusion->Virtual Machines->Boot Camp. Delete the contents of the folder, then launch Fusion. When you try to start the Boot Camp VM, it should reconfigure it for your "new" Boot Camp partition

Good to know for future reference. I never understood why VMware disables the delete function from the gui for bootcamp partitions?

[Nermal]

Not even RC1 was close to Windows 7 beta, and this is only beta 1 (only beta?).

If you're asking what I think you're asking then yes, this is the only planned beta.

[amt2002]

Guys, anyone installed windows 7 64-bit on unibody alu macbook and got everything to work?

[jaw04005]

Anyone managed to get the Apple-developed Boot Camp drivers specifically the function keys to work?

By the way, I love how Apple artificially stops the Boot Camp setup from running if Windows Vista or XP is not detected. :rolleyes:

Isn't there a command to have the drivers extracted?

It would be nice to be able to control sound through the function keys.

[gumbyx84]

Anyone managed to get the Apple-developed Boot Camp drivers specifically the function keys to work?

By the way, I love how Apple artificially stops the Boot Camp setup from running if Windows Vista or XP is not detected. :rolleyes:

Isn't there a command to have the drivers extracted?

It would be nice to be able to control sound through the function keys.

....... What are you talking about? My BootCamp drivers installed without a problem with Build 7000. Win7 is viewed as Vista by most apps, so even if Apple did "artificially stop(s) the Boot Camp setup from running if Windows Vista or XP is not detected", it wouldn't be tripped by Win7.

[Peace]

I installed win 7 on my bootcamp partition on my 1st gen macbook - fresh install. Via bootcamp works fine. Then tried using it with vmware fusion - but neither the wireless card or the ethernet port are being recognises - well in the ethernet case it's appears as an invalid driver. Any one else having these problems or found a solution.

Windows 7 has a new Marvel/Yukon driver for the ethernet. Do an update.

[yehgermeister]

i'm am REALLY tempted to update my xp partition to windows 7. i only use xp for gaming, so i was wondering if windows 7 will cause a decrease in framerates in the games i play, since vista does and 7 is supposedly more or less like vista. or it's supposed to be vice versa since 7 is faster than xp and vista? what should i do?

btw, i have a early 08 macbook pro, 2.4 ghz, 4gb ram, 256mb 8600m gt. i use it to play cod4, l4d, spore, and other source games.

[BenRoethig]

The early benchmarks I've seen online have indicated that Win7 is faster than XP in gaming and virtually every other department and uses fewer resources.. For lack of a better comparison, its much like a windows version of Snow Leopard

[Tallest Skil]

i'm am REALLY tempted to update my xp partition to windows 7. i only use xp for gaming, so i was wondering if windows 7 will cause a decrease in framerates in the games i play, since vista does and 7 is supposedly more or less like vista. or it's supposed to be vice versa since 7 is faster than xp and vista? what should i do?

btw, i have a early 08 macbook pro, 2.4 ghz, 4gb ram, 256mb 8600m gt. i use it to play cod4, l4d, spore, and other source games.

Windows 7 uses DirectX11, so some older games won't work.

[nanofrog]

Windows 7 uses DirectX11, so some older games won't work.

They actually didn't give it backward compatibility with DirectX10.1? Wow. :cool: :p

[Pegsinho]

Might be a bit of a thick question, but can anyone tell me how to get the file onto a DVD having downloaded the .iso file?

I'm using Toast, and just need to know what sort of file it needs to be burned as in order to get the computer to pick it up as an installation disc.

Cheers.

[MKnight]

Might be a bit of a thick question, but can anyone tell me how to get the file onto a DVD having downloaded the .iso file?

I'm using Toast, and just need to know what sort of file it needs to be burned as in order to get the computer to pick it up as an installation disc.

Cheers.


Just burn the ISO to DVD and you are done. You can do that with Toast or even with Disk Utility.

[NoSmokingBandit]

For lack of a better comparison, its much like a windows version of Snow Leopard

This is a good thing. By now, there arent really many features people want out of their OS except speed, so i think its great that both big OS developers are working toward a leaner system. I've not tried 10.6 yet, but if its anything like the jump from vista to win7 i will be upgrading right away.

[Pegsinho]

Just burn the ISO to DVD and you are done. You can do that with Toast or even with Disk Utility.

I tried that mate and in Boot Camp it just says "The installer disc couldn't be found"

If I open the disc it's just a picture of the .iso file, is that right?

[MKnight]

I tried that mate and in Boot Camp it just says "The installer disc couldn't be found"

If I open the disc it's just a picture of the .iso file, is that right?

Can you try burning it with Disk Utility? When you open Disk Utility click on 'Burn" and select the .iso and burn it to a DVD.

[dalvin200]

i had an iso my friend (msdn subscriber) gave me.. as i just couldn't get the download link today at all...
saved the iso to my desktop for faster install...

after about an hour now windows 7 is up and running on my alu macbook via vmware fusion 2

the mistake i was making was using the "easy install" option in vmware as it kept crapping out on the serial number i had provided (all zero's) for some reason..

using the manual setup went a lot smoother :) and vmware tools installed fine and i have internet and sound and didn't have to do anything else at all to be honest..
even the 2 tap right click on the glasspad works :)

just installed firefox 3 ;) haha... (isn't that what everyone does on a fresh windows install?)
actual install took about 15-20 mins.. fusion crashed out once at the first reboot..

windows 7 crashed when i clicked on "solitaire" (i think someone else had issues with minesweeper!)

i haven't really used vista at all.. just comin from xp.. and it does seem a big step forward in terms of UI and GUI..

i'll be testing it a bit more though..

but i can say this.. it's no OS X!!!

[gumbyx84]

.....
windows 7 crashed when i clicked on "solitaire" (i think someone else had issues with minesweeper!)
.....


That would be me. Seems to happen ONLY in Fusion. Minesweeper worked fine when I ran it in with Win7 native.

[chewietobbacca]

DX11 is backwards compatible. Meaning that you can play DX10 or earlier games no problem. Since there are no DX11 games out yet (or GPUs for that matter), you won't be running DX11 itself though.

Fortunately, win 7 seems to detect all the Vista versions of the drivers (since they're using the same driver model anyways) so no real issues yet on my desktop PC.

I am absolutely lovin the small physical and virtual footprint of this OS though - and it's already feeling way faster than XP was (and certainly Vista). Looks like MS is finally going in the right direction. I'm very impressed with the beta

[Pegsinho]

Can you try burning it with Disk Utility? When you open Disk Utility click on 'Burn" and select the .iso and burn it to a DVD.

Nice one mate! Worked perfectly! Cheers.

[MKnight]

Nice one mate! Worked perfectly! Cheers.

:D

[Blakely028]

How did you all get your product keys?

I got to the "Error - The site is currently experiencing technical difficulties." page, and then I downloaded via another link on another website.

Just wondering y'know...

[Hot Snowboarder]

Web slices ..... Web Clips
New Taskbar .... THE DOCK
The new 'shake' and clear desktop functions .... expose.

I also didn't know that Microsoft had Windows Gurus. Why couldn't they just call them experts... no it had to share some similarity with Genius.

iLife 09 makes me laugh at Windows Live Essentials.

And thats my fanboy rant. Not the first, and certainly not the last. ;)

[dalvin200]

How did you all get your product keys?

i used all zero's which worked fine :) that's what my friend told me he used for his install...

[Blakely028]

i used all zero's which worked fine :) that's what my friend told me he used for his install...

Did that actually work..? I'm suprised haha :p

[dalvin200]

Did that actually work..? I'm suprised haha :p

yup...

[NoSmokingBandit]

Web slices ..... Web Clips
New Taskbar .... THE DOCK
The new 'shake' and clear desktop functions .... expose.


The only thing here that makes sense is the Web Clips/Slices. Tell me, what functionality did the new taskbar take from the dock? Does the new takbar suck at managing multiple windows of one app? No. Ergo, its not a copy of the dock. It also has no magnification, the system tray hold all the info which the dock hasnt seen since 10.2(?), it doesnt expand/contract based on the number of icons present.
New taskbar!= dock.

I can shake a window all day long on OSX and nothing happens. Btw, ever hit Winkey+D on windows? It clears the desktop. Then apple gives us expose and it has a desktop function too. It seems like apple doesnt invent every computer idea ever.... MS did implement something that remembers where your windows were so you can put them back when you are done on the desktop, but thats really about it. I have yet to find a way to make Expose clear all but my current window.... Seems like thats something else MS didnt take from Apple.

Seriously guys, Apple didnt invent everything that exists on modern computers. Hate MS all you want, but they contribute to the evolution of OS's just as much as everyone else.

[Blakely028]

The Win7 download page: (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx) has now changed to "coming soon". :rolleyes:

Wonder what's going on....

[The Flashing Fi]

The Win7 download page: (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx) has now changed to "coming soon". :rolleyes:

Wonder what's going on....

People hammered the site. You couldn't get in to download.

[Stridder44]

They actually didn't give it backward compatibility with DirectX10.1? Wow. :cool: :p

This is how false information gets spread. Yes, of course it's backwards compatible.

[Hot Snowboarder]

The only thing here that makes sense is the Web Clips/Slices. Tell me, what functionality did the new taskbar take from the dock? Does the new takbar suck at managing multiple windows of one app? No. Ergo, its not a copy of the dock. It also has no magnification, the system tray hold all the info which the dock hasnt seen since 10.2(?), it doesnt expand/contract based on the number of icons present.
New taskbar!= dock.

I can shake a window all day long on OSX and nothing happens. Btw, ever hit Winkey+D on windows? It clears the desktop. Then apple gives us expose and it has a desktop function too. It seems like apple doesnt invent every computer idea ever.... MS did implement something that remembers where your windows were so you can put them back when you are done on the desktop, but thats really about it. I have yet to find a way to make Expose clear all but my current window.... Seems like thats something else MS didnt take from Apple.

Seriously guys, Apple didnt invent everything that exists on modern computers. Hate MS all you want, but they contribute to the evolution of OS's just as much as everyone else.

I meant they've animated the jump to desktop part. Windows dissapear except for shadows. Same as how apple animated them flying to edges of screen.
The new taskbar is like the dock as now it just has icons of your applications. Applications you use all the time you can just drag straight into it. If you left click on an application in the apple dock you get all the current open windows. You can choose which ever you like. Expose also lets you easily jump between open windows of ONE application as well as ALL.

And for hating microsoft, I don't. Office is an awesome app, although i now prefer pages and keynote. But excel is still top dog. I just don't like how microsoft OS's seem to be playing catch up. With billions of dollars at their disposal, they should be at the forefront of innovation.
I personally don't like the windows file system (too messy) and the vista/7 GUI... again its too messy, should be simpler and more elegant. I don't cling to XP though, I'm running Vista on my home PC at the moment.

[Tallest Skil]

This is how false information gets spread. Yes, of course it's backwards compatible.

He was joking, but I wasn't. I have not been able to get at least one game that uses DirectX8 and DirectX9 to work.

[damaster102]

yo i reallly need help i just got this iphone (some dude was selling it in the street) and umm the screen is cracked but not the lcd screen.and the camra well sometime it just show a black screen and other times it show a messed up picture its green and black and stuff like that and i tryed calling apple but the phone waz already register. any one can give me there serial number so that i can change this iphone or somthing.

[00Penguin]

So is the public beta actually being able to be downloaded yet?

[Tallest Skil]

So is the public beta actually being able to be downloaded yet?

I have both the 32- and 64-bit versions on DVDs ready to be installed.

So yes.

[00Penguin]

Ok i just can't get a download link that will give me anything

[gumbyx84]

I have both the 32- and 64-bit versions on DVDs ready to be installed.

So yes.

Problem is that you don't get a key with that download, which sucks.

[00Penguin]

Do they have any download links that actually work?

[Tallest Skil]

Problem is that you don't get a key with that download, which sucks.

Supposedly all zeroes works.

[Cole Slaw]

Do they have any download links that actually work?

Try here:http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/09/windows-7-public-beta-released-remember-to-patch

[gumbyx84]

Supposedly all zeroes works.

You can actually enter no key at all (just leave the field blank) and it will install. However, unless you activate it with a valid key, it will only work for 30 days.

[00Penguin]

I'm not worried about the key I just want to download it

[angemon89]

The neowin.net link works!

I'm downloading it right now.

[00Penguin]

Thanks

[NoSmokingBandit]

I meant they've animated the jump to desktop part. Windows dissapear except for shadows. Same as how apple animated them flying to edges of screen.
The new taskbar is like the dock as now it just has icons of your applications. Applications you use all the time you can just drag straight into it. If you left click on an application in the apple dock you get all the current open windows. You can choose which ever you like. Expose also lets you easily jump between open windows of ONE application as well as ALL.

The taskbar has had Quicklaunch since the dawn of time. Thats no different than how it is now, the icons are just bigger. Really, the taskbar/dock comparison needs to stop. Even linux users are claiming MS stole it from them... In vista/xp/2000 (did 98 and 95 have program gourping?) you could right-click on one item in the taskbar and see what windows were open for it. If you had Grouping on, that is. This isnt a new feature and they did not steal it form apple. . (extra period for emphasis)
"oh noes! ms made something that looks good, they cant have though tof the idea themselves!"
-_-

[Sam Yikin]

i installed windows 7 on boot camp and everything seems to be working fine, except my graphics card. It seems it didn't install any driver for it, tests come up with something like "Generic VGA Adapter" and all the games that came with it tell me they're using software acceleration. any help?
Edit: aluminum imac with the Nvidia 8800
Edit 2: Nevermind, Windows Update found a driver download for me.

[ltldrummerboy]

Tallest Skil, I'm running Halo and I'm not having any problems. It's DX9, right?

[WPB2]

I have both the 32- and 64-bit versions on DVDs ready to be installed.

So yes.

Share the wealth.

Where can I get my copy? I keep trying to download from http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/09/windows-7-public-beta-released-remember-to-patch and getting to ~80% complete then "error failed to mount"

[stainlessliquid]

Share the wealth.

Where can I get my copy? I keep trying to download from http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/09/windows-7-public-beta-released-remember-to-patch and getting to ~80% complete then "error failed to mount"

torrent

[Tallest Skil]

*******

That's not where we point people, thanks.

Tallest Skil, I'm running Halo and I'm not having any problems. It's DX9, right?

Halo? I don't know... :p If it works, that's great. My friends were having trouble with MapleStory and DX8 things, mainly, I guess.

[stainlessliquid]

and how is it any different than a mirror?

[Tallest Skil]

and how is it any different than a mirror?

It's peer-to-peer. Every site associated with said material is also used for illegal purposes.

[r.j.s]

and how is it any different than a mirror?

Neowin isn't mirroring, it is just linking to the files on MS's servers.

[chewietobbacca]

That's not where we point people, thanks.



Halo? I don't know... :p If it works, that's great. My friends were having trouble with MapleStory and DX8 things, mainly, I guess.

Have them run it in Windows XP compatibility, that usually takes care of older games (or win95 for the real old ones).

[stainlessliquid]

It's peer-to-peer. Every site associated with said material is also used for illegal purposes.

thats about as silly as not talking about google because you can search for porn on it

[Tallest Skil]

thats about as silly as not talking about google because you can search for porn on it

Not really, as that's also forbidden here.

[amt2002]

I've got hold of an advance copy of the windows 7 beta and am installing now.

I'll be interested to hear how you go about getting the licence key now the public beta has been made available

[Tallest Skil]

I've got hold of an advance copy of the windows 7 beta and am installing now.

I'll be interested to hear how you go about getting the licence key now the public beta has been made available

From Microsoft.

[drlunanerd]

IMHO I think Windows 7 looks like crap with its poor facsimile of the Dock. I prefer Vista in all honesty. I mean, great if they've improved under-the-hood performance, but the eye candy ain't there for me.

But the upshot is that today I've fallen in love with Leopard again - done a ton of multi-tasking, virtual machines, listening to music, watching video, email, web and it's never skipped a beat. Amen to that.
:) :apple:

[jaw04005]

....... What are you talking about? My BootCamp drivers installed without a problem with Build 7000. Win7 is viewed as Vista by most apps, so even if Apple did "artificially stop(s) the Boot Camp setup from running if Windows Vista or XP is not detected", it wouldn't be tripped by Win7.

Really, then why when I run the Boot Camp setup.exe does it say "Windows Vista or XP required for install." and shut down?

You can get to all the other basic drivers by installing them manually from the drivers folder on the Leopard disc. However, the brightness and function keys are controlled by Apple's tray program. The tray program is not included the drivers folder on the Leopard disc.

You also can't run the update for Boot Camp drivers because it requires the Boot Camp.exe to be installed before running.

Edit: Doesn't work if you copy the setup.exe to your hard drive and force it to run as administrator and Vista compatibility mode either.

[Dany M]

I got this when i try to portion it for 32gb for windows 7....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/DOA4/Picture1-28.png

[jaw04005]

I got this when i try to portion it for 32gb for windows 7....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a174/DOA4/Picture1-28.png

Either move a substantial amount of data off your hard drive onto an external drive, reformat and reinstall Leopard or buy a defrag program like iDefrag.

It's a fragmentation issue.

[NoSmokingBandit]

IMHO I think Windows 7 looks like crap with its poor facsimile of the Dock. I prefer Vista in all honesty. I mean, great if they've improved under-the-hood performance, but the eye candy ain't there for me.

But the upshot is that today I've fallen in love with Leopard again - done a ton of multi-tasking, virtual machines, listening to music, watching video, email, web and it's never skipped a beat. Amen to that.
:) :apple:

Its a poor copy of the dock because (wait for it....) ITS NOT A COPY OF THE DOCK!!!!
Its still the taskbar, still functions like the taskbar, and always will be the taskbar. What the hell is wrong with people that they think its trying to be the dock?

[Daveway]

So when I try to install the bootcamp drivers on my macbook, I get an x64 error. I'm guessing it will only work on 32bit Windows7?

[drlunanerd]

Its a poor copy of the dock because (wait for it....) ITS NOT A COPY OF THE DOCK!!!!
Its still the taskbar, still functions like the taskbar, and always will be the taskbar. What the hell is wrong with people that they think its trying to be the dock?

OK OK, slowly put down the gun and take a deep breath :eek: ;)

The new... taskbar... still looks like crap.

[willardhlp]

I just barely went to this link https://www.microsoft.com/betaexperience/productkeys/win7-64/enus/default.aspx while logged into my windows live account and it gave me my key. the 32 bit link still gave me an error but it looks like they are coming back on line.

[axforts]

Hey guys, on my aluminum Macbook, I used bootcamp to create a partition 20gb for Win 7 beta x64 edition. Ive had a number of problems-

first, I couldnt burn the ISO with Burn or Disc Utlility. I was able to do it in Toast 9.

After doing it with Toast 9, i used the boot camp assistant to initiate the installation. it appeared to be working, and I went to take a piss, to find the installer crashed with an error code. Rebooted, and couldnt get back into OSX. Figured out that, came back to OSX.

Redid the partition, burned a new DVD for Win 7, could not be found by Boot camp, disc just keeps spinning in the drive like its attempting to run, but cant.

Any suggestions all? My ISO couldve been corrupt I guess, got it from Microsofts technet website though, redownloading both the x86 and x64. Any ideas guys?

[Peace]

There should be more servers this time around. Microsoft didn't have enough servers to handle the load so they added more. Folks might try now or a little while later.

[Hot Snowboarder]

OK OK, slowly put down the gun and take a deep breath :eek: ;)

The new... taskbar... still looks like crap.

Hahahahaha. Amen!

[Nermal]

My ISO couldve been corrupt I guess, got it from Microsofts technet website though, redownloading both the x86 and x64. Any ideas guys?

Use a tool (such as DropHash (http://www.idleloop.com/programs/)) to verify the SHA-1 checksum of your download.

File Name: en_windows_7_beta_dvd_x64_x15-29074.iso Date Posted (UTC): 12/30/2008 4:26:48 PM
SHA1: E09FDBC1CB3A92CF6CC872040FDAF65553AB62A5 ISO/CRC: 8E2FAD39

File Name: en_windows_7_beta_dvd_x86_x15-29073.iso Date Posted (UTC): 12/22/2008 2:41:15 PM
SHA1: 6071184282B2156FF61CDC5260545C078CCA31EE ISO/CRC: AABA5A48

[angemon89]

I installed the 64 bit version on my iMac and everything seems to be working find except for the sound and the mapped keys on my Apple slim keyboard.

When I insert my OSX install disc 1, it tells me that "Boot Camp x64 is unsupported on this computer model"

[Stridder44]

Its a poor copy of the dock because (wait for it....) ITS NOT A COPY OF THE DOCK!!!!
Its still the taskbar, still functions like the taskbar, and always will be the taskbar. What the hell is wrong with people that they think its trying to be the dock?


Don't let them get to you. They drink the Apple kool-aid. Doesn't matter how good it is, if Apple didn't make it it's crap to them.

[axforts]

7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO 64bit
SHA1-e09fdbc1cb3a92cf6cc872040fdaf65553ab62a5

and

7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.ISO 32bit
SHA1 = 6071184282b2156ff61cdc5260545c078cca31ee

Have successfully downloaded!

Time to try burning to DVD and using boot camp. Anyone got specific instructions that worked for them on an alum macbook? Ie, what software to burn ISO and how.

[Tallest Skil]

Time to try burning to DVD and using boot camp. Anyone got specific instructions that worked for them on an alum macbook? Ie, what software to burn ISO and how.

Do it in Disk Utility for free.

[axforts]

Tried that last time, didnt think it would work this time. But i gues my old file was corrupt, because this one appears to be burning fine in disk utility :)

[WPB2]

I installed the 64 bit version on my iMac and everything seems to be working find except for the sound and the mapped keys on my Apple slim keyboard.

When I insert my OSX install disc 1, it tells me that "Boot Camp x64 is unsupported on this computer model"

I get the same error on my Alu macbook 2.4. Is there a fix yet? I am typing this on x64 "7" but it looks like crap. I need the drivers for x64. can someone post a link to apple downloads for the Macbook pro drivers?

[axforts]

The disc burned fine in Disk utility(which it didnt before) Im using 64bit.

The installer disc could not be found.
Insert your Windows installer disc and wait a few seconds for the disc to be recognized.

Its in the drive :S

Not sure if it matters, Im burning to a DVD+R, brand new. To eject it, it keeps attempting to get read, I had to run drutil tray open. Then it said I had a blank cd inserted, and asked what I wanted to do, I chose eject. The CD is readable on a windows machine fine.

The drive is fine as well, other discs work. I dont get it. The SHA1 checksums were fine, the disc burned fine in disk utility, whats wrong? is it possible that I have to rename the file to the names that Nermal was using? I shouldnt think so...

[limo79]

Hi !

I prepared modified msi Apple Boot Camp 2.0/2.1 32/64-bit installers to avoid "Error 2229" during Apple Boot Camp drivers installation on Windows 7 32/64-bit.

I also modified KbdMgr.exe (Apple Boot Camp 2.1) to fix audio latency issue on 32-bit Vista/Windows 7 described here:

http://alexpopovich.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/macbook-rev-f-audio-skipping-in-vista-analisys-and-solution/

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1433080&start=0&tstart=0

http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=591

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=614302

Modified KbdMgr.exe should work fine also on Macs with Boot Camp 2.0 drivers on 32-bit Windows.
I am rather sure that this file WILL NOT WORK on 64-bit Windows Vista/Windows 7.

Tool to check latency on your Macs:
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Here is a download link to "Apple_Boot_Camp_patch_LIMO.zip":

http://www.speedyshare.com/404462147.html

Enjoy !

[WPB2]

Hi !

I prepared modified msi Apple Boot Camp 2.0/2.1 32/64-bit installers to avoid "Error 2229" during Apple Boot Camp drivers installation on Windows 7 32/64-bit.

I also modified KbdMgr.exe (Apple Boot Camp 2.1) to fix audio latency issue on 32-bit Vista/Windows 7 described here:

http://alexpopovich.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/macbook-rev-f-audio-skipping-in-vista-analisys-and-solution/

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1433080&start=0&tstart=0

http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=591

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=614302

Modified KbdMgr.exe should work fine also on Macs with Boot Camp 2.0 drivers on 32-bit Windows. Please note that this file DO NOT WORK on 64-bit Windows Vista/Windows 7.

Tool to check latency on your Macs:
http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Here is a download link to "Apple_Boot_Camp_patch_LIMO.zip":

http://www.speedyshare.com/404462147.html

Enjoy !

Thanks for that.

How do I apply the patch?

[limo79]

Thanks for that.

How do I apply the patch?

All installation notes are included in ZIP file.

First please to check what version of BootCamp do you have (2.0 or 2.1 ?). According to this information JUST COPY & OVERWRITE existing in Drivers\Apple "BootCamp.msi" and "BootCamp64.msi" files from specified directory related to your Apple Boot Camp version :)

[WPB2]

All installation notes are included in ZIP file.

First please to check what version of BootCamp do you have (2.0 or 2.1 ?). According to this information JUST COPY & OVERWRITE existing in Drivers\Apple "BootCamp.msi" and "BootCamp64.msi" files from specified directory related to your Apple Boot Camp version :)

I am trying to download the .zip file for 20 minutes now. It will never download. should i do it in OS X or WIN 7?

[BenRoethig]

I get the same error on my Alu macbook 2.4. Is there a fix yet? I am typing this on x64 "7" but it looks like crap. I need the drivers for x64. can someone post a link to apple downloads for the Macbook pro drivers?

Apple only has 64-bit bootcamp drivers for a handful of machines. Really, except for those running Mac Pros, I'd install the 32 bit version for boot camp.

[angemon89]

Yeah, I'm gonna start over but this time install the 32bit version. I need the correct drivers for a pleasant experience.

BTW, anyone know how big the 32 bit install of Windows 7 is? The 64bit one was roughly 11 GB's for me.

[BenRoethig]

Yeah, I'm gonna start over but this time install the 32bit version. I need the correct drivers for a pleasant experience.

BTW, anyone know how big the 32 bit install of Windows 7 is? The 64bit one was roughly 11 GB's for me.

If the compression ration is the same somewhere in the 8-9 range.

[WPB2]

All installation notes are included in ZIP file.

First please to check what version of BootCamp do you have (2.0 or 2.1 ?). According to this information JUST COPY & OVERWRITE existing in Drivers\Apple "BootCamp.msi" and "BootCamp64.msi" files from specified directory related to your Apple Boot Camp version :)

Wow!!! Thanks alot. This worked like a charm. I can't believe it.
+1 for you for sure.

[imac9556]

Runs under VMWare very well! Almost faster than Windows XP. I am impressed

[Brien]

So is the x64 version running fine on the unibody pro's?

[r!ggaman]

So is the x64 version running fine on the unibody pro's?

I have the x64 version running on my unibody macbook. I simply used the patch limo posted earlier and followed the instructions...took a while to install the drivers but after that it has been running fine. I even installed fallout 3 to see how it would run and it actually ran better than under xp, im actually impressed with windows 7 :eek:

[mike31mets]

there seems to be a lot of confusion over the new taskbar in Windows 7. i found this little piece from a wikipedia article discussion pretty helpful. it explains the differences in the Dock and the new taskbar. Not to mention, the fact that this is nothing that MS stole, rather something that they sort of went back to since they came up with the idea a long time ago.

I'm running Windows 7 with the new taskbar, and Mac OS X Leopard on the same machine; my opinion is that they aren't really all that similar, except for superficial visual stuff. There are a lot of differences; for example, if you click on an icon of a visible application on the Windows 7 taskbar, the application is hidden. On OS X, the same action does nothing. OS X uses a blue oval underneath an icon to denote that an application is running; Windows 7 draws a box around it, makes the background behind the icon darker, and uses a shadow on the box to give the impression that the box is sitting on top of the taskbar. Windows 7 has a start button, OS X doesn't. OS X minimizes windows to a separate section on the right-hand side of the dock; Windows doesn't. The taskbar extends all the way across the side of a screen; the OS X dock doesn't unless you tell it to. Right-clicking the dock icon of a running application in OS X gives you a menu of commands that you can send to the application; right-clicking the taskbar icon in Windows 7 gives you the same old "Maximize/Minimize/etc/Close" menu that has been on taskbar items since Windows 95. You have to left-click the area to the right of the icon to see these commands in Windows . The Windows 7 taskbar can be configured to show the window's title beside the icon, so that it look and works more like the taskbar in prior versions of Windows; OS X only shows the name of the application if you hover the mouse over an icon. Windows 7 lets you represent each distinct window with a separate icon; OS X doesn't. You can put the trash can on the OS X dock, but you can't put the recycling bin on the taskbar in Windows 7. The Windows 7 taskbar has icons for sound, network and security; OS X puts these sorts of things on the menu bar at the top of the screen. Same with the clock. Oh yeah, and the Windows 7 taskbar can be placed at the top of the screen, but the dock can't. You can resize the OS X dock to any arbitrary size; you can't in Windows 7. The dock in OS X is reflective, the taskbar in Windows 7 has partial transparency but only if you are using the Desktop Window Manager. The dock is centered; the taskbar is left-justified; neither of these are configurable.

I could go on, because there's quite a bit more, but I think I've made my point well enough -- they really aren't that similar. About the only similarities I can see between the OS X dock and the Windows 7 taskbar, is that you click on an icon to start an application, and that icon becomes the running representation of the application. Otherwise, Windows 7 works more or less along the principle of taking the Quick Launch and the taskbar (both of which first appeared in Windows), and mashed them together into one thing.

[Dejavu]

If I am installing Windows 7 64-bit on a Mac Pro, do I need a special version of Boot Camp? I have Boot Camp 2.0 installed that originally came with my current Windows XP installation.

[gumbyx84]

So when I try to install the bootcamp drivers on my macbook, I get an x64 error. I'm guessing it will only work on 32bit Windows7?

There should be x64 Boot Camp drivers for Vista that should work fine. Are you using the drivers on your OS X install disk or ones you downloaded from Apples site?

[gumbyx84]

Really, then why when I run the Boot Camp setup.exe does it say "Windows Vista or XP required for install." and shut down?

You can get to all the other basic drivers by installing them manually from the drivers folder on the Leopard disc. However, the brightness and function keys are controlled by Apple's tray program. The tray program is not included the drivers folder on the Leopard disc.

You also can't run the update for Boot Camp drivers because it requires the Boot Camp.exe to be installed before running.

Edit: Doesn't work if you copy the setup.exe to your hard drive and force it to run as administrator and Vista compatibility mode either.

I don't know why it didn't work for you or anyone else, but it worked fine for me. I have attached as proof. I did not use any patches. Just used OS X install Disk 1 that I got with my MBP.

PS Has anyone manually downloaded the updated Boot Camp drivers from apple and tried those? Just curious.

PSS I just thought of something. I know the original Boot Camp drivers (2.0.0) would install even if you used it on a regular PC (I did this to get my wired Apple Keyboard to work on my PC at work; KVM to Mac Pro and Dell box). I wonder if that is why it worked in Win7 for me.


(Sorry for double-post; just wanted to get this info up)

[trekkie604]

I don't know why it didn't work for you or anyone else, but it worked fine for me. I have attached as proof. I did not use any patches. Just used OS X install Disk 1 that I got with my MBP.

PS Has anyone manually downloaded the updated Boot Camp drivers from apple and tried those? Just curious.

PSS I just thought of something. I know the original Boot Camp drivers (2.0.0) would install even if you used it on a regular PC (I did this to get my wired Apple Keyboard to work on my PC at work; KVM to Mac Pro and Dell box). I wonder if that is why it worked in Win7 for me.


(Sorry for double-post; just wanted to get this info up)
Wow, you should really run the Performance Rating so you can enable the Glass/Aero UI.


P.S. I have he x86 version of Windows 7 installed on my MB with no problems whatsoever as well :)

[gumbyx84]

Wow, you should really run the Performance Rating so you can enable the Glass/Aero UI.


P.S. I have he x86 version of Windows 7 installed on my MB with no problems whatsoever as well :)

Oh it works fine. I just opened it in Fusion to get the screenshot. When I boot into it natively, Aero works without a problem.

[BenRoethig]

If I am installing Windows 7 64-bit on a Mac Pro, do I need a special version of Boot Camp? I have Boot Camp 2.0 installed that originally came with my current Windows XP installation.

I would install the 2.1 update, but the MacPro is one of the few machines Apple supports windows x64 on.

[axforts]

The disc burned fine in Disk utility(which it didnt before) Im using 64bit.

The installer disc could not be found.
Insert your Windows installer disc and wait a few seconds for the disc to be recognized.

Its in the drive :S

Not sure if it matters, Im burning to a DVD+R, brand new. To eject it, it keeps attempting to get read, I had to run drutil tray open. Then it said I had a blank cd inserted, and asked what I wanted to do, I chose eject. The CD is readable on a windows machine fine.

The drive is fine as well, other discs work. I dont get it. The SHA1 checksums were fine, the disc burned fine in disk utility, whats wrong? is it possible that I have to rename the file to the names that Nermal was using? I shouldnt think so...

Anyone have any ideas?

7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO 64bit
SHA1-e09fdbc1cb3a92cf6cc872040fdaf65553ab62a5
^^The one Im trying to use. 64bit

and

7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.ISO 32bit
SHA1 = 6071184282b2156ff61cdc5260545c078cca31e
^^tried this also, burned in diskutility, same error.

The DVD's are bootable on other windows computers. Not a burning issue.
I can use my Win XP SP2 Home 32bit edition fine.

I was able to boot off my Mac OS X Dvd, so its not a read issue. Its something with the specific file or disc. I have no idea what to try next. Neither the 32bit or 64bit is even read by my computer. The more I think about it the more Im thinking its the disc itself, possibly an issue with the super drive and DVD+R? Or my Fujifilm DVD+R's? The discs sped?(up to 16x) I mean the discs are read by other computers, my computer reads like all other discs fine except this one, wtf?

[rankl]

I downloaded yesterday's (01/09/2009) Public beta 64 bit Win7 and also able to get key after a long long refreshing.

I burned Win7 disk using diskutility.

I had vista on my MBP already so I backed up and used boot camp to erase windows portion then started a new install for Win7.

After partitioning, when I inserted the Win7 DVD and it is asking for CD boot type __ my key board is not working so I can input either 1 or 2 ?

How can I resolve this ? Does any one have any idea,

Your help is appreciated.
Thanks

[WPB2]

I have the x64 version running on my unibody macbook. I simply used the patch limo posted earlier and followed the instructions...took a while to install the drivers but after that it has been running fine. I even installed fallout 3 to see how it would run and it actually ran better than under xp, im actually impressed with windows 7 :eek:

Does your glass trackpad work properly (2 finger scrolling, and 2 finger tap for secondary menu)?

I also have Unibody MB 2.4. I installed LIMO's patch, but thats my prob. I need to scroll, and bring up shortcut menus.

[dkeninitz]

I downloaded yesterday's (01/09/2009) Public beta 64 bit Win7 and also able to get key after a long long refreshing.

I burned Win7 disk using diskutility.

I had vista on my MBP already so I backed up and used boot camp to erase windows portion then started a new install for Win7.

After partitioning, when I inserted the Win7 DVD and it is asking for CD boot type __ my key board is not working so I can input either 1 or 2 ?

How can I resolve this ? Does any one have any idea,

Your help is appreciated.
Thanks

Where can one download it? It seems to have been removed from the MS site, supposedly temporarily?

[Andrmgic]

Oh it works fine. I just opened it in Fusion to get the screenshot. When I boot into it natively, Aero works without a problem.

Completely unrelated.. but what series/movie did that wallpaper come from?

It looks really cool :)

[rankl]

Where can one download it? It seems to have been removed from the MS site, supposedly temporarily?


Try these links:
for x86
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.iso

x64 version
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO

[gumbyx84]

Completely unrelated.. but what series/movie did that wallpaper come from?

It looks really cool :)

Wallpaper came from promo art for Megaten: Imagine Online. Go by there website to grabs it and others.

[dkeninitz]

Try these links:
for x86
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULFRE_EN_DVD.iso

x64 version
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/3/3/633118BD-6C3D-45A4-B985-F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO

Thanks, I'm downloading the x64 version now - I assume that's the 64-bit version. I've been using Macs for 6 years and PC's for 20, but am completely new to installing Windows on a Mac. When the download finishes, do I expand or burn it to a DVD to install?

[NoSmokingBandit]

Thanks, I'm downloading the x64 version now - I assume that's the 64-bit version. I've been using Macs for 6 years and PC's for 20, but am completely new to installing Windows on a Mac. When the download finishes, do I expand or burn it to a DVD to install?

Just burn to a dvd and boot from it.


Anyone know how to get an activation code from MS, or will that come back up when the new download servers are ready?

[nanofrog]

Got it downloaded, finally got a key, and then discovered I have to go get DVD-R's. :rolleyes:

Grr...

Just burn to a dvd and boot from it.


Anyone know how to get an activation code from MS, or will that come back up when the new download servers are ready?
Go to this (http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/10/psstheres-how-to-get-your-windows-7-beta-key) link, and follow the directions.

I got a key this way, so it does work. :)

[basaltfd]

when i hit help button left tab under internet settings
says IE bete 8?

im a newbie to computers do i even need ie 8 betea
and what the hell is 128 bit?
what happened to 32bit or 64 bit ur talking about

[BenRoethig]

That way is working very well this morning.

[NoSmokingBandit]

Go to this (http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/01/10/psstheres-how-to-get-your-windows-7-beta-key) link, and follow the directions.

I got a key this way, so it does work. :)

Thanks, got a key right away!

Another question (last one, i swear): How long does this code keep win7 activated?

[Tallest Skil]

Thanks, got a key right away!

Another question (last one, i swear): How long does this code keep win7 activated?

Until the beta dies on August 1, 2009.

[nanofrog]

Thanks, got a key right away!

Another question (last one, i swear): How long does this code keep win7 activated?
Good Question, but I don't know the answer yet myself. :o (I'm only aware of the 30 days if no key is used).

Ahh... Thanks Tallest Skil. :) Now I can quit looking. ;)

[Tallest Skil]

Good Question, but I don't know the answer yet myself. :o (I'm only aware of the 30 days if no key is used).

If another member can answer this, I'd truly appreciate it. :)

Got it covered^. ;)

[nanofrog]

Got it covered^. ;)
Thanks. :)

I edited my previous post, then this one was available. :D :p