Lord of the Rings doesn't deserve to win

[MacNut]

It would be an outrage for LOTR to win, I mean come on half of the movie is special effects. Its ashame that the academy is overlooking true actors and moviemaking and instead awarding an over the top fantasy. And yet the Academy still wont elect a comedy for any awards. I hope it goes to Bill Murray and Lost In Translation.

[sparkleytone]

i too hope the award goes to lost in translation, but get over it. the lord of the rings trilogy was awesome. amazing. breathtaking. so what it had special effects out the wazoo? it also had great acting all around and a legendary plot. the 'back to basics' argument doesn't work for me. everything evolves. if it doesn't, its the same old stuff.

[dho]

Well as of yet they havn't lost a singl award. we will see

[teabgs]

are you suggesting that animators don't count for anything? Animators are actors that act through a different character...either by puppets, pencils, or computers. They have to be able to act MANY roles in the same film...even in the same shot. Let's see the "real" actors do that.

and it isn't as if they just push a button and BAM, theres half the movie.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean LOTR should not win. "true moviemaking" huh? sounds like someone needs to learn about filmmaking before they start shouting off their mouth...

[MacNut]

Ok than whats wrong with having a comedy for best picture?

[janey]

Its ashame that the academy is overlooking true actors and moviemaking and instead awarding an over the top fantasy.
its a shame that the academy is overlooking most excellent foreign/indie films. its a shame that the academy is biased. its a shame that the oscars only gives awards to a small portion of movies worldwide, regardless of the fact that this is an american awards show. its a shame that such stupid films get so many awards for something it wasnt great at. its a shame that the academy only consists of an elite few from the movie industry. blah blah, so on.
LIVE WITH IT! you wont be able to change the way the oscars are run.
so ****, this is a caucasian-driven and horribly biased awards ceremony for a handful of movies.

GO LOTR!!!! 8 wins out of 8 from a possible 11 so far :D :D

[teabgs]

Ok than whats wrong with having a comedy for best picture?

Absolutely nothing.

However, the academy is all politics, and it is more important "who's turn" it is, than "who deserves".

Most comedies are not example of "good filmmaking" anyway...there are MANY MANY that actually are very well made...but most are not. Most of my favorite films are comedies, and a lot of the time comedies ARE better than say, Dramas. BUT, that doesn't matter because the academy is politics.

They only recently started the animated feature award....give it time.

[sparkleytone]

the inherent nature of a movie that can be pigeonholed into the category of 'comedy' keeps it from being considered as a best movie candidate. comedy is generally accepted as, in the long run, a farce. any movie that is funny AND cinematically significant can't really be called a comedy.

edit: unless its a woody allen movie. ;)

[MacNut]

You Cant Honeslty Say That Lotr Is The Best Movie Of The Year Consideing All Of The Movies Nominated, Just Because It Make A Ton Of Money Does Not Make It Worth Best Picture

[janey]

You Cant Honeslty Say That Lotr Is The Best Movie Of The Year Consideing All Of The Movies Nominated, Just Because It Make A Ton Of Money Does Not Make It Worth Best Picture
man honestly, read my post. :p

[RBMaraman]

I don't think "Lord of the Rings" deserves to win either. Why? Well, let's look at what Best Picture means:

1. Excellent Acting.
2. Excellent Story.
3. Excellent Directing.

Personally, I hate the LOTR story. I just never got into those fantasy type stories. I didn't think the acting in the film was that good. The directing was actually well done.

Now lets look at my pick for Best Picture, "Mystic River." It has a great story, acting that is absolutely amazing, and the best work ever done by director Clint Eastwood.

I question why people are pulling for "Lord Of The Rings." Is it because they think it's the best picture, or are people so in love with the story that they want their favorite childhood books to win? I think you'll find that people are pulling for the film(s) only because they love the story.

I know why I don't want LOTR to win. Not because it isn't a good film, but simply because their are better ones nominated.

[janey]

i must admit all the movies nominated for best picture are excellent (well the ones ive seen so far (3/5)), but honestly is the only reason why half of you dislike LOTR winning best picture based on the fact that this is a novel?

If you havent read the trilogy or the Hobbit, i suggest you do so. JRR Tolkien was a very gifted writer.

The only reason why I'm supporting LOTR for Best Picture? It was the first movie ever that made me cry. I see a lot of movies. Once a week. Maybe two or three or even four a week. LOTR was good. It was the only one that everyone I knew loved. "Composited with Shake". :) Its quite an excellent trilogy, especially compared to crap like The Matrix (original was good, but nothing else was).

[markjones05]

You Cant Honeslty Say That Lotr Is The Best Movie Of The Year Consideing All Of The Movies Nominated, Just Because It Make A Ton Of Money Does Not Make It Worth Best Picture

lol thats your opinion. and yes i can honestly say that i think LOTR is the best movie of the year. And thats my opinion, if you dont like the story thats fine, if you do thats cool too. I dont think money has anything to do with it. And fankley i don't really beslieve you know what your talking about... thats also my opinion ;)

[MacNut]

i must admit all the movies nominated for best picture are excellent (well the ones ive seen so far (3/5)), but honestly is the only reason why half of you dislike LOTR winning best picture based on the fact that this is a novel?

If you havent read the trilogy or the Hobbit, i suggest you do so. JRR Tolkien was a very gifted writer.

The only reason why I'm supporting LOTR for Best Picture? It was the first movie ever that made me cry. I see a lot of movies. Once a week. Maybe two or three or even four a week. LOTR was good. It was the only one that everyone I knew loved. "Composited with Shake". :) Its quite an excellent trilogy, especially compared to crap like The Matrix (original was good, but nothing else was).


If thats the first movie to make you cry you havent seen many good movies have you. Second i think the Matrix was a great trilogy. It was far more original than LOTR which is really a new age remake of Star Wars

[janey]

If thats the first movie to make you cry you havent seen many good movies have you. Second i think the Matrix was a great trilogy. It was far more original than LOTR which is really a new age remake of Star Wars
ive seen many good movies. ROTK was the first one that emotionally moved me.
Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions sucked ass.

my explanation: i'm not easily moved by movies. movies like a beautiful mind, 21 grams and gone with the wind, not to mention others like mulholland drive and the pianist, didnt move me emotionally in almost any way.

[gwuMACaddict]

it is probably a token award, since i personally felt like the first one was the most well done. but they couldn't ignore how good the trilogy was, so they saved it till the end. who cares? the oscars don't mean anything...

[MacNut]

the oscars don't mean anything...

I think the Oscars mean a great deal to an actors career

[janey]

pwned!!!! rotk wins!!!! awesome :D :D :D :D
11 out of 11 oscars :D

[markjones05]

it is probably a token award, since i personally felt like the first one was the most well done. but they couldn't ignore how good the trilogy was, so they saved it till the end. who cares? the oscars don't mean anything...


The oscars don't mean anything to.....? You make no sense.

[MacNut]

Hollywood has offically hit a new low

[janey]

Hollywood has offically hit a new low
its always been at a low all throughout its history. please read my first post in this thread.

[Steradian]

Hollywood has offically hit a new low

How so? I think that Peter Jackson and his editing crew deserve the award, the amount of work that Jackson put into those films is mind boggling, just watch the appendices of the films, and you can get an idea. They cut the editing down to the deadline everytime, making use of every moment that the studio gave them. 11 is what they were nominated for, 11 is what they received cheers to them.

[MacNut]

Chew on this What is the best movie ever in your opinion. Titanic, Ben Hur, Lord Of The Rings or other

[Steradian]

It was far more original than LOTR which is really a new age remake of Star Wars

Wha? I know that the studio strayed from the story on a few accounts, but it is certainly not a remake of star wars, star-wars had horrible acting, just LOOK at the piss poor job that Mark Hamel did, i find it sort of insulting calling The LOTR series a star-wars remake. However, if you mean to compare them in a trilogy set, then I can see your point, but comparing it to indiana jones would be far more realistic in my mind. Do remember that when J.R.R Tolkein wrote LOTR he wasn't really writing for others too much, he was writing for himself. It is also amazing that Jackson and his crew managed to take a story that broke the rules of modern writing and put it to film, a very challenging task that needed to be commended. Lost in translation is an AWESOME film, and a victim of circumstance, had it appeared any-other year I am sure that it would have received it's due, I am sorry that you are upset about the results of the oscars, but like Über said, it's pretty much all political.

[G4scott]

Well, at least we didn't have another full blown Michael Moore (although some did try...) during the awards. I did like what they did with him during the intro, though :cool:

I really don't see what some people have against the LOTR Trilogy. OK, so you didn't like the books, but that doesn't mean that it's not a good movie. Even then, the Academy Awards are still extremely biased... There were only 5 main movies up for nominations... Either way, the LOTR Trilogy was an amazing undertaking in moviemaking. It's soundtrack is incredible, and most people who watch it are stunned by almost everything else about the movie. I think the movie was awesome in depicting an epic tale between good and evil originally written in a masterful series of novels by an amazing author.

So if you don't like it, that's fine. That's your opinion. Personally, I think all movies nominated are fine movies, even if they didn't win an oscar.

[Steradian]

It was far more original than LOTR which is really a new age remake of Star Wars

Wha? I know that the studio strayed from the story on a few accounts, but it is certainly not a remake of star wars, star-wars had horrible acting, just LOOK at the piss poor job that Mark Hamel did, i find it sort of insulting calling The LOTR series a star-wars remake. However, if you mean to compare them in a trilogy set, then I can see your point, but comparing it to indiana jones would be far more realistic in my mind. Do remember that when J.R.R Tolkein wrote LOTR he wasn't really writing for others too much, he was writing for himself. It is also amazing that Jackson and his crew managed to take a story that broke the rules of modern writing and put it to film, a very challenging task that needed to be commended. Lost in translation is an AWESOME film, and a victim of circumstance, had it appeared any-other year I am sure that it would have received it's due, I am sorry that you are upset about the results of the oscars, but like Über said, it's pretty much all political.

[janey]

ebert and roeper made a good point tonight.

LOTR: ROTK got the 11 Oscars *because* the first two (Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers) only got several nominations and one or two actual wins.

ROTK got those awards for being the ending movie in an epic trilogy. The 11 Oscars were for the entire trilogy as a whole, not just for ROTK. Much better than Ben Hur, Titanic, The Matrix or Star Wars. ;)

[ColoJohnBoy]

Hollywood has offically hit a new low

How about a new high? One of the only years where the awards were dealt where they were due.

Thank God 'Lost in Translation' didn't win. It was an interesting premise. It was very beautiful. Bill Murray was great when he was doing what he's been doing for the past 30 years. The problems? Terrible dialogue, when it was actually present. Sequences devoid of purpose or positive contribution to the movie as a whole. No plot. (A premise doesn't count as a plot). It was SO subtle and nuanced that it actually wasn't. Get it? It's like engraving the word on a brick and beating someone to death with it. Ultimately, it's biggest problem was it was completely and utterly boring. I still don't understand how this was a comedy. I laughed a couple times at Bill Murray when he was doing his own thing, and chuckled whenever Anna Faris was on screen - the rest of the time I was bored to tears. Boring. Mediocre. Flat. Expressionless. It was pretty much anything except deserving of Best Picture. Thank God it didn't win.

[kiwi_the_iwik]

Hey - I'm just gutted Johnny Depp didn't get Best Actor...

Although I think Sean Penn was pretty darn good, Depp was feckn' phenomenal for Pirates of the Caribbean (it was nice to see a character who was modelled off Keith Richards finally make it to the big screen!).

:D

[MacNut]

How about a new high? One of the only years where the awards were dealt where they were due.

Thank God 'Lost in Translation' didn't win. It was an interesting premise. It was very beautiful. Bill Murray was great when he was doing what he's been doing for the past 30 years. The problems? Terrible dialogue, when it was actually present. Sequences devoid of purpose or positive contribution to the movie as a whole. No plot. (A premise doesn't count as a plot). It was SO subtle and nuanced that it actually wasn't. Get it? It's like engraving the word on a brick and beating someone to death with it. Ultimately, it's biggest problem was it was completely and utterly boring. I still don't understand how this was a comedy. I laughed a couple times at Bill Murray when he was doing his own thing, and chuckled whenever Anna Faris was on screen - the rest of the time I was bored to tears. Boring. Mediocre. Flat. Expressionless. It was pretty much anything except deserving of Best Picture. Thank God it didn't win.

First of all Lost In Translation isnt a usuall comedy and if you went into it expecting Caddy Shack you will be disapointed. To find it boring well maybe you dont understand true cinema, it all doesnt have to have stuff blow up to make it entertaining.

[the future]

And to think I believed the Academy couldn't sink any lower after giving Titanic 11 awards...

To the person who said comedys never deserve to win Best Picture: Lost In Translation should have won in 2004 (instead of LOTR); As Good As It Gets should have won in 1997 (instead of Titanic); Some Like It Hot should have won in 1960 (instead of Ben Hur). So much for the 11-awards-pictures.

To the person who said LOTR was the first movie to make her cry: this almost made me cry. I'm just stunned and feel sorry for you. I can't even begin to imagine at which point in which of the 3 parts you started to cry.

To everyone else: LOTR is pure black-and-white-morals, style-over-substance, special-effects-driven, primitive escapism for the popcorn-munching masses. I was extremely bored, other people enjoy this kind of thing; fair enough. But it sure as hell isn't Academy Award material. Well, in a better world it isn't...

[Krizoitz]

I think that LOTR absolutely deserves ALL 11 wins. It was an epic trilogy with fantastic actors, none of whom overshadowed each other, where most movies have your story that revolves around one actor. It was epic special effects that were used to enhance the movie not just for their own sake. I felt overwhlemed by the movie sometimes because i felt like I was IN it unlike I ever have before. The special effects where the icing on the cake of a fantastic group of actors and a story.

Its also about time a fantasy/sci-fi movie one. Hollywood has this pretentious attitude that only pretentious "artsy" movies that take themselves to seriously and have to have 48 layers of deep meaning can win.

Then again the academy awards is just the academy awarding themselves, so we can't expect much objectivity. I prefer the peoples choice awards because they reflect the most important group of people, the ones who make the movies work, the fans.

[Savage Henry]

Let's face it, the Oscars© should never even pretend to award what is "Best". It only ever been a question of flavour of the month and not the quality of the films in question.

Example 1, Forrest Gump instead of Pulp Fiction for Best Film is just riddiculous as time has provedn: PF is considered a modern classic from which films in it's genre are now compared, whereas FG is currently loitering in bargain DVD counters for £4.99.

Example 2, Beautiful Mind, though I hated, about the mathematician genius, the mans life, the mans work, the mans beliefs, the mans loves, the mans hopes, the mans dreams. It won the award for film, director, supporting actress, adapted screenplay, but managed not to award the actor who played the Man, purely because Mr Crowe went mental at an awards ceremony producer a month earlier when he found out they had cut his acceptance speech poem out.

LotR only won because the members of the Academy have got no imagination. Every year they are given the opportunity to go someway to redeem themselves, this year being City of God, but every year they fail.

[Stike]

pwned!!!! rotk wins!!!! awesome :D :D :D :D
11 out of 11 oscars :D

I think this is the revenge for all oscars LotR did not get with the first two movies. If you take all categories together in which LotR has won Oscars, you see the true amount of Oscars earned by that movie! I would count it that way, since LotR is nothing else than a 11+ hours long movie.

[kiwi_the_iwik]

OK - I'll admit it. I cried during LOTR too...

I fell asleep - and my slush-puppy melted. Really got me upset (I can't STAND wasteage).

<sob!>

Well - the bloody movie was SOOOOOO LONG, I couldn't help it...

:(

[arn]

http://www.popcorn.dk/imagez/l/l069_1.jpg

[the future]

http://www.popcorn.dk/imagez/l/l069_1.jpg

Yeah...

[the future]

I think that LOTR absolutely deserves ALL 11 wins. (...) Hollywood has this pretentious attitude that only pretentious "artsy" movies that take themselves to seriously and have to have 48 layers of deep meaning can win.

Well, one layer of meaning would be nice, though, wouldn't it...? :)

[virividox]

i guess that will fullfill the quota for effect laden fantasy movies in the oscars for aw hile

[Savage Henry]

Well, one layer of meaning would be nice, though, wouldn't it...? :)

On that subject, I remember my lass telling me that she was shown an article written in a Catholic publication (The Tablet, I think, but I'm not sure), which had espoused LotR as being full of Catholic virtues. Now without getting into deep theological discussion or of the religious persuasion of Mr Tolkien, I think that it just goes to show that it actually had quite a lot of meaning for some people. While for others it was just 10 hours of CGI battles interspersed with helicopter shots of the New Zealand landscape.

Either way, it was better than a film about a fairground pony that's ridden by Spiderman and owned by The Big Lebowski. ;)

[MrMacMan]

Hollywood has offically hit a new low

No.

NO!!

Titanic was a new Low.

Titanic is the OLD Low. Titanic was HORRIBLE and never should have won 11 awards.
i guess that will fullfill the quota for effect laden fantasy movies in the oscars for aw hile

Yes, now they don't have to give any awards to fantasy for atleast... how about 30 years? :rolleyes:

LOTR was a great movie, maybe it didn't deserve to win 11 oscars, but Titanic sure as hell didn't... and JUST to burry that record that was why they got so many. :o

[the future]

(...) just 10 hours of CGI battles interspersed with helicopter shots of the New Zealand landscape(...)

Now that should have been LOTR's tagline!

[Hemingray]

It would be an outrage for LOTR to win, I mean come on half of the movie is special effects. Its ashame that the academy is overlooking true actors and moviemaking and instead awarding an over the top fantasy.

Did you see LOTR:ROTK nominated for any acting? Didn't think so. So you can't even apply the "overlooking true actors" argument. Plus, all of the main characters in LOTR WERE live actors, not CG!

Too late, LOTR walked away with 11 Oscars. And I, for one, think they rightly deserved it.

[agreenster]

This immature whining is annoying.

This seems more to me like backlash against a movie that swept the oscars, instead of a fair critique of a film. The movie was ferociously more than battle sequences and helicopter shots of NZ.

Its okay that you didnt like the film, but it sure appears that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences sure liked it, as well as the rest of the international film community. If you dont like heroes, and humor, friendship and loyality, action and adventure, drama and suspense, and seeing a body of work that has been tirelessly and artistically crafted beyond anything ever done come to life onscreen, then no, you wouldnt like this movie.

Backlash all you want, but this film deserved all these awards.

And no, Im not a fan of fantasy, but this movie just blew me away.

[Savage Henry]

This immature whining is annoying.

This seems more to me like backlash against a movie that swept the oscars, instead of a fair critique of a film. The movie was ferociously more than battle sequences and helicopter shots of NZ.

Its okay that you didnt like the film, but it sure appears that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences sure liked it, as well as the rest of the international film community. If you dont like heroes, and humor, friendship and loyality, action and adventure, drama and suspense, and seeing a body of work that has been tirelessly and artistically crafted beyond anything ever done come to life onscreen, then no, you wouldnt like this movie.

Backlash all you want, but this film deserved all these awards.

And no, Im not a fan of fantasy, but this movie just blew me away.

I have to admit that I did like it, and I'll be buying the extended DVD in 9 months time. But objectively I don't think it deserved to win that many. The Acadamy took the view on voting for the trilogy rather than the single relased film. The films are so similar in production there is no reason why the first two were not equally awarded 11 each.

But my big grumble is the fact that it got the editing award. Did you see the final 30 minutes :confused: It was sloppy and ill-flowing. It was as though Jackson spent all his time by annoying Christopher Lee and replacing his piece in the beginning with the story of Speigal, which meant he ran out of time and rushed the editing of ending.

They are just my own gripes. I just felt I was owed more after 10 hours of story.

[agreenster]

Thanks for the polite post

I think you're right--the reason people are upset is because it won SO many oscars. If it had won maybe 3, then they wouldnt be so upset. But the truth is, it deserved the ones it won. It didnt win for acting, and credits for the song must go in part to Annie Lennox. (SP?) I mean, was there really a better adapted screenplay? Special Effects? Art Direction? Costume Design? Director? Makeup? Score? Sound? I mean cmon. Its not like it won for cinematography or best actor or best original screenplay.

As far as the editing goes, I think the film was edited better than the competition, especially when considering that this wasnt a normal film to edit. Trying to keep all the winding stories comprehensible, was a very difficult task to say the least.

[wdlove]

ebert and roeper made a good point tonight.

LOTR: ROTK got the 11 Oscars *because* the first two (Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers) only got several nominations and one or two actual wins.

ROTK got those awards for being the ending movie in an epic trilogy. The 11 Oscars were for the entire trilogy as a whole, not just for ROTK. Much better than Ben Hur, Titanic, The Matrix or Star Wars. ;)

I agree übergeek. LOTR deserved to win for a the completion of the trilogy that was years in the making. Now with its 11 Oscars it ties with "Ben Hur" & "Titanic."

[the future]

This immature whining is annoying.

Why exactly is it immature to not like LOTR and voice this opinion? As opposed to, say, escaping from reality into LOTR's easy, empty fantasy?


This seems more to me like backlash against a movie that swept the oscars, instead of a fair critique of a film.

Yeah, I just loved LOTR before it got 11 awards, but not anymore...


The movie was ferociously more than battle sequences and helicopter shots of NZ.

Must have fallen asleep during the other parts, then.


Its okay that you didnt like the film, but it sure appears that the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences sure liked it...

And they *never* give awards to horrible movies, we all know that...


...as well as the rest of the international film community.

I have read quite a few critics who begged to differ.


If you dont like heroes...

Only those with more than one (cartoonish) dimension, sorry.


...and humor...

Now where was *that* supposed to be?


...friendship and loyality...

Got some of that, only a trillion times more subtle and touching, in Lost In Translation, thank you very much.


...action and adventure...

Just a little, please, but not 11 mind-numbing hours.


...drama and suspense...

Hitchcock is crying a silent single tear... suspense... in LOTR...


...and seeing a body of work that has been tirelessly and artistically crafted beyond anything ever done come to life onscreen...

I'm just speachless. How OTT can you go?


...then no, you wouldnt like this movie.

And I don't. I hope I'm allowed to.

[SiliconAddict]

It would be an outrage for LOTR to win, I mean come on half of the movie is special effects. Its ashame that the academy is overlooking true actors and moviemaking and instead awarding an over the top fantasy. And yet the Academy still wont elect a comedy for any awards. I hope it goes to Bill Murray and Lost In Translation.

At least your user name is appropriate. At least the last half. Lord of the Rings is all about grandiose battles. It’s THE quintessential good vs. evil story. It is, debatably, the story that spawned sci-fi epic worlds. You say that its predominantly special effects. Duh. Get a clue. Lord of the Rings can't be done without special effects. The imagry is that large in scope. The reason Tokein sold the rights to LotR in the first place is because he didn't believe that anyone could accomplish the scenes laid out in his books and at that time he was right. Heck even 10 years ago, probably even 5 years ago, it wouldn't have been doable. Too many people **** on LotR even though they have never read the books. I just finished FotR and TT (Working on RotK now.) and the movies did a good job of the translation. The people who are LotR fans that wanted everything from the books need to get a huge clue. It's not doable unless Jackson made a 48 part miniseries out of it. The scope is literally too large for 3 movies. Thank god for the fact that the initial pitch that Jackson made to Miramax (Think it was Miramax.) for 2 movies and they offered 1. LotR in one 2 hour movie. Ummmm riiiight. :rolleyes:
Considering the tools, time, talent, and resources Jackson had at his disposal he did a fantastic job. And those that **** on his effort then please go out and do a better job. You are so brilliant of course the studios would put you on the task of making the hobbit.

[Neserk]

All I know about LOTR is that it has a fanatical following and that I couldn't sit throught the first movie. There are very few movies that has happened. I found it boring. Although I've been told that the 2nd one was better. I'm not sure I'm willing to risk it.

[virividox]

i liked the movie
it deserved oscars

11? maybe a little much, but they are technical categories, and more objective than acting awards. so i mean if they won they won

[agreenster]

Why exactly is it immature to not like LOTR and voice this opinion? As opposed to, say, escaping from reality into LOTR's easy, empty fantasy?




Yeah, I just loved LOTR before it got 11 awards, but not anymore...




Must have fallen asleep during the other parts, then.




And they *never* give awards to horrible movies, we all know that...




I have read quite a few critics who begged to differ.




Only those with more than one (cartoonish) dimension, sorry.




Now where was *that* supposed to be?




Got some of that, only a trillion times more subtle and touching, in Lost In Translation, thank you very much.




Just a little, please, but not 11 mind-numbing hours.




Hitchcock is crying a silent single tear... suspense... in LOTR...




I'm just speachless. How OTT can you go?




And I don't. I hope I'm allowed to.

Umm. Yeah. I take my comment about immature whining back. That certainly wasn't appropriate...

:rolleyes:

[DavisBAnimal]

I have read quite a few critics who begged to differ.


Not sure what critics you're referring to, but a quick visit over to RottenTomatos.com shows Return of the King reviewing at an average of 9.2 out of 10, with only 9 out of 207 critics saying they didn't like it. If you look at the "cream of the crop" - pro critics in high esteem - the average rating of the movie goes up to 9.4 out of 10, with 97% saying they liked it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheLordoftheRingsTheReturnoftheKing-1127213/

The critics liked it, there's no denying that.

I feel like a lot of those people who didn't like the movie are probably a little too hopped-up on the image of their own tastes to be able to provide an objective opinion - one of those things where people hate something just to be different, and just cause everyone else really digs it. Same thing with those idiot music snobs who rag on Dave Mathews for no reason other than the fact that he's adored by millions of screaming, pathetic 12 year olds, when really all the Belle and Sebastian riffs they rave about are nothing but recycled touches of Under the Table and Dreaming.

It's sad and pathetic to base your tastes after the image they create - the subject position it places you in - and that goes for everyone buying the Britney Spears album cause they saw in on the MTV, and anyone who refuses to admit they dug, or refused to let themselves dig, the Lord of the Rings just cause it's oh so obvious and lame.

You don't like movies, you just like acting like you're better than everyone else because they don't like the right movies, but you do.

Davis

[janey]

And to think I believed the Academy couldn't sink any lower after giving Titanic 11 awards...
To the person who said comedys never deserve to win Best Picture: Lost In Translation should have won in 2004 (instead of LOTR); As Good As It Gets should have won in 1997 (instead of Titanic); Some Like It Hot should have won in 1960 (instead of Ben Hur). So much for the 11-awards-pictures.
(snip)
To the person who said LOTR was the first movie to make her cry: this almost made me cry. I'm just stunned and feel sorry for you. I can't even begin to imagine at which point in which of the 3 parts you started to cry.
(snip)
But it sure as hell isn't Academy Award material. Well, in a better world it isn't...
will you people PLEASE read my original post in this thread. Its that one with "DEAL WITH IT" in gigantic letters..
It's happened, you cant change it, and stop bitching about it. By all means, if you think teh LOTR trilogy sucked ass, why dont you people produce/direct/whatever a new movie that'll beat the **** out of the trilogy. One that gets more than 11 oscars. one that appeals to almost everyone. The movies that have gotten 11 oscars werent great, but you know what? many many MANY MANY good movies were not considered for even a NOMINATION because of what the Academy believes, or the subject matter, or some other factor.
I said ROTK was the first movie to make me cry. Starting from that part where Pippin sings the song to Denethor the Steward of Gondor, while Denathor's only remaining son Faramir goes off to battle. That song was absolutely heavenly. In fact I've seen the movie more than 4 times. I cried each time. Yeah, I might be a teen, but the fact that this movie was the ONLY one that moved me to the point where I started crying is unbelievable for me. It's probably because I am a big Tolkien fan.
but you know what? essentially, this is MY OPINION and you cant do anything about it. I dont give a damn about what you people think about my reaction to ROTK.

And, again, I didnt see anyone complain when Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers didnt win (or won, depending on what you think of the movies). Like I said, and like what most other people said about ROTK getting 11 Oscars for the ENTIRE TRILOGY is probably correct.

[QCassidy352]

LOTR really is horribly overrated, both individually and as a series... I mean, they're fun to watch, but beyond that, come on... :rolleyes:

And I'm not a film snob at all, I think plenty of mainstream movies are great. LOTR really just has nothing special to it. For what it is, it's well made, well acted, and enjoyable. But what it is is still a fairly generic fantasy story, and one that took 9 hours to tell, at that. I enjoy it for the things it does well, but talking about it as one of the best movies ever... well honestly, that's a joke.

[evoluzione]

Second i think the Matrix was a great trilogy. It was far more original than LOTR which is really a new age remake of Star Wars


are you serious??? the original Matrix was fantastic. an awesome movie. the second sucked big time, it was just so so poor. the only thing i enjoyed was the highway car part. some of the effects were diabolical too.

I for one was not interested in seeing the whole LOTR trilogy, but i'm so glad i did, i even read The Hobbit after i saw the first two (amazing book by the way). they really are three fantastic films (films, not movies).

oh, and i didn't watch the awards, they don't interest me one bit. yes there's plenty of deserving choices, but, it is hollywood don't forget.

[QCassidy352]

will you people PLEASE read my original post in this thread. Its that one with "DEAL WITH IT" in gigantic letters..
It's happened, you cant change it, and stop bitching about it. By all means, if you think teh LOTR trilogy sucked ass, why dont you people produce/direct/whatever a new movie that'll beat the **** out of the trilogy. One that gets more than 11 oscars.

ubergeek, you're acting like what you have to say is the definitive statement on the issue - as if the fact that it made you cry says all that needs to be said, and as if your first post is so complete that no one else could possibly have anything to say. Sorry, no.

This is a thread to discuss LOTR and the oscars and for people to express their opinions, including the opinion that the movie did not deserve the award. As you said, you have your opinion, which is very clear at this point. Why do you think others shouldn't express their opinions also?

And btw, the "so you do it better" argument is so immature and absurd that I almost don't want to address it, but...
Just because I can't hit a baseball better than a professional doesn't mean I have to think every professional ballplayer is doing a good job. I can have an opinion without being able to do better personally.
And the fact that the LOTR got 11 oscars doesn't prove how great it is and that any film that doesn't equal 11 oscars is worse. That was kinda the point.

[janey]

But what it is is still a fairly generic fantasy story, and one that took 9 hours to tell, at that. I enjoy it for the things it does well, but talking about it as one of the best movies ever... well honestly, that's a joke.
um my copy of the LOTR books is around 1100 pages long. I think my original was longer, but that one fell apart and I had to replace it. My point is that the three books are long when put together. For 9 hours, thats pretty good, especially compared to something like Harry Potter.
And its not really generic. Its a wonderful story. Anyone who hasnt read it should. Tolkien is a gifted storyteller.

[janey]

ubergeek, you're acting like what you have to say is the definitive statement on the issue - as if the fact that it made you cry says all that needs to be said, and as if your first post is so complete that no one else could possibly have anything to say. Sorry, no.
This is a thread to discuss LOTR and the oscars and for people to express their opinions, including the opinion that the movie did not deserve the award. As you said, you have your opinion, which is very clear at this point. Why do you think others shouldn't express their opinions also?
Its not. I didnt say it was. But it states some truths on what the Academy, the Oscars and Hollywood is like right now. And yeah sure this is a thread discussing people's opinions, but it seems as though half of you are stating the same thing again and again, or you only saw one or two of the movies in the trilogy, or you're saying this because you dislike the fact that a fantasy gets so many Oscars compared to Lost in Translation. You guys arent really stating your opinion. You're bashing a trilogy that took lots of time and effort to make, and you're comparing it to a movie you guys seem as though you are willing to die supporting, for some reason I can't quite comprehend. I'll get back to you on that once I finish watching Lost In Translation though. So far, however, I feel like nuking the DVD. It's not bad, but its not great either. I will change my opinion if it differs if I successfully finish watching it.
And btw, the "so you do it better" argument is so immature and absurd that I almost don't want to address it, but...
Just because I can't hit a baseball better than a professional doesn't mean I have to think every professional ballplayer is doing a good job. I can have an opinion without being able to do better personally.
And the fact that the LOTR got 11 oscars doesn't prove how great it is and that any film that doesn't equal 11 oscars is worse. That was kinda the point.
Again, you people aren't stating opinions. You're bashing a pretty decent movie. What is the only reason why half of you are sticking up for Lost In Translation based on the fact that Sofia Coppola is attractive and half of you would like to **** her? Just because you didnt like a movie doesnt mean you have to bash the fact that it successfully got 11 Oscars. Yeah, you make a good point, but maybe us LOTR fans would support you more when you have a valid opinion, backed up with facts and statements, rather than "OMFG LOTR SUCKED LOST IN TRANSLATION ROCKED LOTR DIDNT DESERVE THOSE OSCARS!!!"

[MacNut]

Ubergeek I think you might be overlooking other great movies because you are too much of a fan of LOTR to watch any other movie objectively. You are on way to much of a defensive saying no other movie is as good as LOTR. Watch some classic movies and than come back and say LOTR is best picture, it wont come close to other great films.

[MacNut]

And another thing, next years best picture might be Pasion of The Christ

[jxyama]

oscars is awards presented by the film academy. it does not (rather, should not) determine the value of the movies or what the movies mean to different people. i don't think great movies need any validation or vindications of winning Oscars to be considered great.

i don't think it's healthy for awards to carry so much weight that it is used as means to validate something. it should be an occasion for celebration of the cinema - not a popularity contest or a flame war.

just to show how arbitrary the whole oscars thing is, why is it an annual thing? what's calendar year got to do with quality of movies?

i saw lost in translation. it was hilarious and wonderful. (i understand japanese, so that gave me a different perspective.) not winning oscars doesn't mean much to me - i think the movie is great.

liking a movie that won 11 oscars doesn't make one any better than people liking a movie that won none.

not liking a movie that won 11 oscars doesn't make one a movie idiot.

[jelloshotsrule]

Again, you people aren't stating opinions. You're bashing a pretty decent movie. What is the only reason why half of you are sticking up for Lost In Translation based on the fact that Sofia Coppola is attractive and half of you would like to **** her? Just because you didnt like a movie doesnt mean you have to bash the fact that it successfully got 11 Oscars. Yeah, you make a good point, but maybe us LOTR fans would support you more when you have a valid opinion, backed up with facts and statements, rather than "OMFG LOTR SUCKED LOST IN TRANSLATION ROCKED LOTR DIDNT DESERVE THOSE OSCARS!!!"

wow, calm down and find the caps lock key please...

first of all, i think lord of the rings was awesome. thought it deserved at least most of the awards it got.

second, you are no better expressing your opinion (though with more *'ed out words and caps and bold and large font) than anyone you are attacking.

third, lost in translation was freaking awesome and in most any other year, i'd say it should win... bill murray was great as well.


you are taking this just a bit too personally.....

[anubis]

LOTR kicks ass.

Personally, I've never seen a finer piece of cinematic mastery. Every aspect of the 3-movie trilogy was brilliantly executed. The art, the passion, the emotion, everything brilliantly captured by Peter Jackson.

You just don't like it because it's a fantasy film.

Get over it. LOTR kicks ass.

[krimson]

Lost in translation was great at the start, after the commercial shoot, i think it went downhill.. i almost fell asleep towards the end... in fact, 2 of the ppl i was watching it (the 2nd time) did fall asleep.

[janey]

Ubergeek I think you might be overlooking other great movies because you are too much of a fan of LOTR to watch any other movie objectively. You are on way to much of a defensive saying no other movie is as good as LOTR. Watch some classic movies and than come back and say LOTR is best picture, it wont come close to other great films.
take a look at all the movies i named in your "favorite movies" thread. if you're saying that they're not classic or great, i think you're on something...

[jxyama]

Lost in translation was great at the start, after the commercial shoot, i think it went downhill.. i almost fell asleep towards the end... in fact, 2 of the ppl i was watching it (the 2nd time) did fall asleep.

understandable, if you were expecting a typical bill murray comedy.

it was more of a drama, with just enough touch of murray's comical moments. in fact, the seriousness and the "reality of life" kind of sadness of the soul searching that went on in the movie was greatly enhanced through the contrast they made from the funny parts.

[agreenster]

You don't like movies, you just like acting like you're better than everyone else because they don't like the right movies, but you do.

Davis

I think this happens every year after the oscars. People who's favorite movie didnt win get very defensive against fans of the movies that won, and all of a sudden the movie that won totally sucks, and anyone who likes that movie has no taste. Its really weird. Then people get all, "Oh it isnt as good as -insert classic movie here-" and you kids dont know what good movies are. Sheesh. How do you know the person you are talking to didnt go to film school and have a doctorate in filmology? C'mon, have a little tact.

This is why awards suck.

[AngryLawnGnome]

LOTR is godly. Yes it does---did.

[MacFan26]

liking a movie that won 11 oscars doesn't make one any better than people liking a movie that won none.

not liking a movie that won 11 oscars doesn't make one a movie idiot.

I agree with you, I'm sure there are people out there who actually liked Gigli. I however was disappointed that The Last Samurai didn't get a nomination for Cinematography or Hans Zimmer's music. I also thought that Pirates of the Caribbean should have won one of the sound awards, but, that's just me.

[Dippo]

Why exactly is it immature to not like LOTR and voice this opinion? As opposed to, say, escaping from reality into LOTR's easy, empty fantasy?

Isn't escaping reality what movies are all about???


Yeah, I just loved LOTR before it got 11 awards, but not anymore...


I hope this was sarcastic because if not, then that would be the stupidest reason in the world not to like a movie.

Everyone has a differest "taste" in movies but the oscars always reward films that do well at the box office whether good or bad. I think LOTR was one of the good films while Titanic was one of the bad.

[jxyama]

I'm sure there are people out there who actually liked Gigli.

well, there are limits to how much personal taste can make up for sheer badness... :D

[womencantsail]

Grow up all of you. How in the hell cares what movie wins what award. If you like the movie, spend your money and go see it/buy it. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. Stop complaining because your favorite movie didn't win. If you did like me, and not watch the damn thing, you wouldn't be having this problem. But no, you have to be so interested in this crap that it consumes your life.

[AngryLawnGnome]

Grow up all of you. How in the hell cares what movie wins what award. If you like the movie, spend your money and go see it/buy it. If you don't like it, then don't watch it. Stop complaining because your favorite movie didn't win. If you did like me, and not watch the damn thing, you wouldn't be having this problem. But no, you have to be so interested in this crap that it consumes your life.

Better watch your tail, sailor, or you'll get yelled at by a mod, and SHAMED! :eek:

[MacNut]

It appears I hit a nerve here with this thread. A little conversation among adults can be a good thing. :)