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motulist
Jan 2, 2009, 07:00 PM
I'm looking for a professional looking letter-writing font that's similar to, but better than, Times New Roman. I like times new roman, but I remember going through all the fonts in my system one day and finding some that looked even better and more legible, but of course I never wrote down their names.

So, which fonts are like times new roman, but better?



manram
Jan 2, 2009, 07:01 PM
I'm looking for a professional looking font that's similar to, but better than, Times New Roman. I like times new roman, but I remember going through all the fonts in my system one day and finding some that looked even better and more legible, but of course I never wrote down their names.

So, which fonts are like times new roman, but better?


Arial, Helvetica, Myriad Pro (Apple uses this, I'm pretty sure)

Those are the ones that I use.

motulist
Jan 2, 2009, 07:04 PM
Arial, Helvetica, Myriad Pro (Apple uses this, I'm pretty sure)

Those are the ones that I use.

Arial and helvetica are nothing like times new roman, they don't even have serifs! And myriad pro isn't installed with leopard. I do appreciate you trying to help, but you've totally missed the mark on this one.

EDIT: perhaps you were misled by my not mentioning my intended purpose. I'm looking for a font for professional letter writing. I've added this to my original post.

manram
Jan 2, 2009, 07:05 PM
Oh sorry on this one. I thought you wanted fonts that were better than Times. Sorry about that. I guess my eyes are going.

Str8edgepunker
Jan 2, 2009, 07:09 PM
Erm, no offense to you manram but all of the fonts you stated above are Sans-Serif fonts. Times New Roman is a Serif font. Also, Apple uses Lucida Grande in Mac OS X.

Honestly, this would be a question better asked in the Design and Graphics forum rather than this one. And try Sabon, Minion Pro or Garamond when you get the chance.

Edit: Oh good, I see it got moved. Thanks!

Jim Campbell
Jan 3, 2009, 07:26 PM
Honestly, this would be a question better asked in the Design and Graphics forum rather than this one. And try Sabon, Minion Pro or Garamond when you get the chance.

+1 for Garamond from me. Also: New Century Schoolbook, which is slightly spikier than Times, or Bookman, which is easier on the eye and absolutely lovely in italic.

Cheers

Jim

LeviG
Jan 3, 2009, 07:37 PM
agree on garamond

it might also be worth looking at
cambria - another ms office (word) default (headings)
calibri - its the default (body) ms office (word) font now iirc
arno pro - loads of different weights
maiandra gd
Palatino Linotype
Kozuka Mincho Pro - loads of different weights here too

ezkimo
Jan 3, 2009, 11:01 PM
Garamond is not a good choice. It's rather repulsive.

"Garamond looks like a typeface with bell bottoms. All the proportions are wrong and when it bends down, you can see its butt cheeks.” Erik Spiekermann (http://www.designobserver.com/archives/entry.html?id=205)

motulist
Jan 4, 2009, 01:28 AM
Garamond is not a good choice. It's rather repulsive.

"Garamond looks like a typeface with bell bottoms. All the proportions are wrong and when it bends down, you can see its butt cheeks.” Erik Spiekermann (http://www.designobserver.com/archives/entry.html?id=205)

Hah, I'm far from a font expert, but I too looked at garamond and felt that it was ugly, even though I couldn't say why.

bbeers
Jan 6, 2009, 10:43 AM
I have always liked Minion Pro

and Garamond Pro is not bad, but might not fit your needs.

Brendan

Jim Campbell
Jan 6, 2009, 11:56 AM
Garamond is not a good choice. It's rather repulsive.


In your opinion.

I particularly like Garamond Narrow (as did Apple for many, many years) which looks entirely lovely when coupled with a leading value of 1.5-2x the point size.

YMM, obviously, V.

Cheers

Jim

ezkimo
Jan 6, 2009, 01:35 PM
In your opinion.

I particularly like Garamond Narrow (as did Apple for many, many years) which looks entirely lovely when coupled with a leading value of 1.5-2x the point size.

YMM, obviously, V.

Cheers

Jim

You're right in that there are some variants that are nicer looking.

ITC Garamond, which is one of the more popular variants, was designed in the 70's and looks it. It's a dated and bastardized version of the original and is, as far as I'm aware, generally considered a fairly nasty iteration. There's a reason Apple dropped Garamond. As I said, there are variants that are better looking but overall many designers I know think Garamond as a whole is not the best selection.

usclaneyj
Jan 6, 2009, 04:55 PM
As others have stated, Minion Pro. I believe it's a system font so you should already have it, and it's got similar enough proportions to Times New Roman, but it flows with more ease and elegance.

ezekielrage_99
Jan 6, 2009, 06:46 PM
My recommendations would be:

- Adobe Carlson PRO
- Adobe Garamond PRO
- BodoniXT
- Cardo (free font)
- Hoefler
- Minion Pro
- Palatino

Melrose
Jan 6, 2009, 08:46 PM
Second for Adobe Caslon Pro - that's a very classy looking serif font.

I like Riven - it's on the free sites (http://www.dafont.com/search.php?q=riven&nb_ppp_old=10&page=1&text=Graceful%2C+slender+%28But+watch+the+V%29&nb_ppp=10&psize=m&classt=alpha) - it's slim, slender, graceful - you just have to swap out the capital V with something similar (more's the pity).

klymr
Jan 10, 2009, 02:43 AM
Garamond is not a good choice. It's rather repulsive.

"Garamond looks like a typeface with bell bottoms. All the proportions are wrong and when it bends down, you can see its butt cheeks.” Erik Spiekermann (http://www.designobserver.com/archives/entry.html?id=205)

If you are going to quote Spiekerman, at least quote the entire thing. What he really said was, "ITC Garamond looks like a typeface with bell bottoms." ITC Garamond was introduced in the 1970s. The original Garamond was designed sometime in the late 1400s to early 1600s. There is some debate about who the true designer was by what I've read. I'm a fan of the Adobe Garamond Pro myself. Beautiful typeface in my opinion.

ezkimo
Jan 10, 2009, 10:08 AM
If you are going to quote Spiekerman, at least quote the entire thing. What he really said was, "ITC Garamond looks like a typeface with bell bottoms." ITC Garamond was introduced in the 1970s. The original Garamond was designed sometime in the late 1400s to early 1600s. There is some debate about who the true designer was by what I've read. I'm a fan of the Adobe Garamond Pro myself. Beautiful typeface in my opinion.

If you read my second post I referenced that fact and said there were nicer looking variations, such as Adobe Garamond.

klymr
Jan 10, 2009, 10:35 AM
If you read my second post I referenced that fact and said there were nicer looking variations, such as Adobe Garamond.

Sorry, it was late and I'll admit I didn't read all the posts carefully.

ezekielrage_99
Jan 11, 2009, 01:17 AM
Second for Adobe Caslon Pro - that's a very classy looking serif font.

I like Riven - it's on the free sites (http://www.dafont.com/search.php?q=riven&nb_ppp_old=10&page=1&text=Graceful%2C+slender+%28But+watch+the+V%29&nb_ppp=10&psize=m&classt=alpha) - it's slim, slender, graceful - you just have to swap out the capital V with something similar (more's the pity).

I like Riven... But hate the V...

SFVCyclone
Jan 11, 2009, 06:00 PM
Copperplate Gothic is a good one.

design-is
Jan 12, 2009, 08:27 AM
arno pro - loads of different weights

+1 for Arno Pro. Can't get enough of that typeface.

AlexisV
Jan 14, 2009, 08:11 AM
http://www.linotype.com/2227/bookmagazinefonts.html?PHPSESSID=4c224788d93c7be4125029afd51f676a

Melrose
Jan 14, 2009, 09:36 AM
I like Riven... But hate the V...

I hear you. I wish I had one of type making apps I'd fix it (for my own use, of course)

bsheridan
Jan 14, 2009, 09:42 AM
I find Bookman Old Style is easy on the eyes
(+ its free with MS office!)

Purple Puppy
Jan 14, 2009, 10:15 PM
Garamond is good. Personally I like the variant known as Adobe Garamond Pro (comes with adobe software).

As of now, the serif font I regularly use is Warnock Pro, but that too is a commercial Adobe font (and doesn't come with adobe software... purchased separately).

Some nice fonts include:

Hoefler Text (famously used to typeset "Wikipedia" on the wikipedia logo)
Palatino (or Book Antiqua... which is based on Palatino)
Minion Pro
Caslon Pro
Baskerville (famously used to typeset the "Canada" wordmark)

Other nice fonts in MS Office 2007/2008 include:

Constantia
Cambria

An excellent free font would also be Computer Modern - it is the font used in LaTeX, and is released freely under the LaTeX license.

Have fun choosing typefaces.