Emo bands

[Dunepilot]

Hi all,

nothing to do with Macs at all, but I just wanted to announce how excited I am about the state of British music at the moment.

Am listening to the new Hundred Reasons album at the moment and I also saw Dustball last night, who are undoubtedly the most underrated band this country has produced in the last ten years.

I feel privileged to have had this rare pleasure. You can hear their MP3s at MP3.com, but there are loads on their site at dustball.co.uk (http://www.dustball.co.uk) . A bunch of seriously talented young men.

Makes me proud to be British.

[arn]

listing now.... not bad...

I always like getting pointed to new music...

The last person I saw in concert was Tanya Donelly... (she was in Belly and Throwing Muses)... it was a great show...

arn

[britboy]

I've just downloaded their sample songs. Pretty good, i must say. Listening to it reminds me a bit of the soundtrack to Cruel Intentions.

I think i'm going to enjoy seeing them emerge, especially if they batter Hear'say into the dust! :p

[Dunepilot]

I really hope they do emerge.

What's great is that Dustball pass the acid test of being better live than on record. They also have an excellent new EP which I bought at the gig, with different songs on it.

You can get their stuff as well as that of other great Oxford bands (and there is a massive scene here) at oxfordmusic (http://www.oxfordmusic.net) , and read stuff at oxfordbands (http://www.oxfordbands.com) .

You can here 3 MP3s (very rough, and a bit out of date) of my band here (http://www.settostun.net) :)

[iGav]

Originally posted by arn
listing now.... not bad...

I always like getting pointed to new music...

The last person I saw in concert was Tanya Donelly... (she was in Belly and Throwing Muses)... it was a great show...

arn

Tanya Donelly is so cool....... as were Belly........ same goes for Juliana Hatfield a much underated solo artist...... so it's always cool to find new bands.......

Dustball are really cool...... I used to follow the new music scene in the uk for years..... trying to find out new music......

Not sure if anybody is interested... but I saw a female solo artist last year at the Spitz in London, her name is Carina Round, and she was just so cool live.... an amazing vocalist..... kind of like a cross between PJ Harvey, Juliana Hatfield and Beth Orton.......

http://www.carinaround.co.uk/

[ponyboy]

Very Good...

Check out http//:www.deepelm.com

There are some insaine bands on that site that get littl recognition

Check out Appleseed Cast, White Octave and Pop Unknown

Also my favorite Emo Band ever Cursive http://www.crankthis.com/cursive.html

Crank is full of good rock

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by ponyboy
Very Good...

Check out http//:www.deepelm.com

There are some insaine bands on that site that get littl recognition

Check out Appleseed Cast, White Octave and Pop Unknown

Also my favorite Emo Band ever Cursive http://www.crankthis.com/cursive.html

Crank is full of good rock

i am borrowing a cursive album from a friend.... i don't like it all that much though. sorry to say

good emo = thursday, sense field, farside, gameface, hot water music, boy sets fire (many of which aren't the typical emo)

bad emo = dashboard confessional, new found glory, new saves the day stuff, etc.

[krossfyter]

where im from all the musicians call emo...

music in which the singer cant sing.


i never gave much that to that untill i heard some so called emo bands.


a bunch suck arse... and others are okay. i havent heard any that stand out to me. i guess because im not a fan of emo music in general....if you want to call it that.

[ponyboy]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
good emo = thursday, sense field, farside, gameface, hot water music, boy sets fire (many of which aren't the typical emo)

I would agree with that and add Small Brown Bike

I'll Also admit that Cursive takes some getting used to I hated thier last album the first time I heard it but after a few listens it is by far the most intricate musically of any of the others or any of the bands listed above.

And about "emo" music the name is lame and I never have liked it indie rock suits it better

[Dunepilot]

'emo' isn't a great term, but people are starting to cotton onto it.

Maybe "post-hardcore" or "melodic hardcore" works better.

Whatever, it certainly isn't a unified scene in any sense.

For my money the best bands I've heard under this umbrella are:

•Get Up Kids
•Hundred Reasons
•Quicksand
•At the Drive-In (some musos have argued this is emo. not too sure myself, but they were awesome)
•and now Dustball

For me it's the occasional wierd chords, unexpected stray guitar lines, time changes and unusual riff lengths that make this stuff enjoyable and challengin

[ponyboy]

how could I forget get up and at the drive in, of course...

I agree it is the switchups that make this music more than just the typical, to bad most of these bands never make enough cake to stay around that long, there are some that hang in there but they are usually not supported by their music

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by iGAV


Tanya Donelly is so cool....... as were Belly........ same goes for Juliana Hatfield a much underated solo artist...... so it's always cool to find new bands.......

http://www.carinaround.co.uk/

juliana hatfield rules...i didn't know anybody else knew about her

i bought a demo tape she made at a used record store many years ago before she was signed to a proper label

[iGav]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


juliana hatfield rules...i didn't know anybody else knew about her

i bought a demo tape she made at a used record store many years ago before she was signed to a proper label

Juliana Hatfield was quite popular in the early 90's here in the england...... she used to be featured alot in the NME and Melody Maker...... I remember hearing one of her songs on the Evening Session and thinking wow, she sounds cool.... then I saw her live supporting Teenage Fanclub and The Poises at the Town and Country Club in Leeds, and she was just really cool..... very powerful live........ actually it was The Juliana Hatfield Three who I saw..... supporting the Become What You Are album.......

I keep waiting for her to come back over to the UK for a tour, but as far as I know.... her record company won't finance it..... which is a total bummer...... :(

So there you go.... there's at least 2 Juliana Hatfield fans in the world..... :D

[Dunepilot]

But, one solo artist I am in awe of is Keith Caputo - he was amazing in Life of Agony and was almost even better as a solo artist on 'Died Laughing'.

If you're a fan of quirky music, check out Keith. He rocks. A hardcore singer gone pop..... cool!:)

[shadowfax0]

EMO! Please people, this is an INSULT, not an actual type of music! Get some REAL punk into your diet! Anti-Flag, Pennywise, Rancid, NoFX (I actually don't like them that much...) AAA, AFI, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, and the DropKick Murphys are only a few I can list off the top of my head!! Heh heh, Blink 182 is emo, but I'm not hoping to convert all of you here, like I'm not about to go into cowboy bars and preach this...becuase it's all gonna end in the same way, I'm gonna be getting some hate mail/some hate bullets flung at me :)

[kishba]

Originally posted by shadowfax0
EMO! Please people, this is an INSULT, not an actual type of music! Get some REAL punk into your diet! Anti-Flag, Pennywise, Rancid, NoFX (I actually don't like them that much...) AAA, AFI, Misfits, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Minor Threat, and the DropKick Murphys are only a few I can list off the top of my head!! Heh heh, Blink 182 is emo, but I'm not hoping to convert all of you here, like I'm not about to go into cowboy bars and preach this...becuase it's all gonna end in the same way, I'm gonna be getting some hate mail/some hate bullets flung at me :)

hehehe... my friend happens to feel the same as you although he did admit to me that if you speed up emo songs they could be classified as punk... i prefer emo but i do enjoy some punk (anti-flag)

to each his own

[shadowfax0]

To each his own, right on :D Just don't speed up the "Dashboard Confessionals" and tell me it's punk... :cool:

[DannyZR2]

Any Pedro the Lion fans or Starflyer 59 fans out there?

I could listen to PTL for days...

[kishba]

Originally posted by shadowfax0
To each his own, right on :D Just don't speed up the "Dashboard Confessionals" and tell me it's punk... :cool:

of course there are exceptions to every theory, dashboard confessionals being one of them...

(i'm afraid to admit i like a few of their songs... but hopefully my enjoyment of a few anti-flag songs makes up for it :))

[Dunepilot]

If you listen to Hundred Reasons they can be incredibly hardcore, but what generally separates this stuff from the rest of punk is songwriting ability.

The Get Up Kids also can write songs, that's all that really counts.

Oh, and Blink 182 are not an emo band. This is heresy.

[jelloshotsrule]

2 things:

1. the get up kids WERE good. i haven't heard their new album. but at a recent concert in december, i was flat out bored. even their old stuff was made boring. the 15 year old girls screaming didn't help. but the music was uninteresting.

2. some say minor threat was the start of emotional music.... at least as far as punk/hardcore go. though i'd say they started hardcore as it came to be in the late 80s and early 90s, and really ian's later bands had more of an emo feel.

small brown bike- i saw them with hwm once, and they were pretty good. will have to check them out.

[ponyboy]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I what generally separates this stuff from the rest of punk is songwriting ability.

Dead on... Think about fugazi they were punk but then they grew up improved thier writing and their latest stuff is insane, I wouldnt call them EMO cause I hate the word.

Blink was good when they were blink... Blink 182 is a totally different band if you ask me but I dislike them for totally different reasons, has to do with why I dumped my girlfriend of 5 years ago.......

[shadowfax0]

BTW, has anyone ever heards of The World/Inferno Friendship Society? They're not *really* punk, but they are in a way... very strange lot they are. I just want to gauge the 'known-ness" of the band...

[Dunepilot]

To be honest, if this thread has taught me one thing, it's how far I'm away from the cutting edge on this sort of stuff, and how spread my genre interest is! I have to admit that I listen to a lot more stoner rock, which is almost the direct opposite of this stuff with its use of blues chords etc.

I'm afraid that I've never heard of The World/Inferno Friendship Society. As I say, I'm just scratching the surface of this kind of music.

I am a massive Kyuss fan though - maybe I should start a stoner rock thread!?

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by DannyZR2
Any Pedro the Lion fans or Starflyer 59 fans out there?

I could listen to PTL for days...


cant say im a fan but yep ive heard of them. starflyer is pretty good for thier genra.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
But, one solo artist I am in awe of is Keith Caputo - he was amazing in Life of Agony and was almost even better as a solo artist on 'Died Laughing'.

If you're a fan of quirky music, check out Keith. He rocks. A hardcore singer gone pop..... cool!:)



now that little guy can sing. his voice is awsome. its because of him i liked LOA. i saw them a long while after they broke up ...they played before type o negetive .... when i saw the lead singer for LOA (i havent seen him before this) i was amazed at how short he was and how much power he has in those chords man. a stark contrast after that was seeing the lead singer for type o negative on stage after wards...that dude is huge.


dig it.

[Dunepilot]

Yeah man,

I've got Keith's album and all of my friends love it (even those who normally dismiss my more 'alternative' music interests). Life of Agony didn't last long once Keith left.

I suppose my world-beating, best-in-the-world-ever singer would combine the delivery of Keith Caputo with the flexibility of Mike Patton (Faith No More) and the beauty of Grant Nicholas (Feeder)

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
Yeah man,

I've got Keith's album and all of my friends love it (even those who normally dismiss my more 'alternative' music interests). Life of Agony didn't last long once Keith left.

I suppose my world-beating, best-in-the-world-ever singer would combine the delivery of Keith Caputo with the flexibility of Mike Patton (Faith No More) and the beauty of Grant Nicholas (Feeder)



dude that be a hellova singer man. wow!

[jefhatfield]

and how about the ramones...they are a pre emo band in a sense to me

but that is going way back in time when punk was different than it is today

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by arn
listing now.... not bad...

I always like getting pointed to new music...

The last person I saw in concert was Tanya Donelly... (she was in Belly and Throwing Muses)... it was a great show...

arn

It's new music you want.... it's new music I'll give ya!

Some great stuff I've fond of late:

Thivery Corporation (down tempo), Farid (dance), Desmond William (acid jazz), Thunderball (down tempo/trip-hop) Ursula 1000 (loungy). All from 18th Street Music. www.eslmusic.com Music can be dl'd from www.emusic.com

Death Cab For Cutie. The next REM. Watch and See! :) www.barsuk.com

Elvis Costello, "When I Was Cruel" might be the album of the year.

The new Wilco album might be a VERY close second.

If you like the whole the female singer thing, and you like cute, 60s-ish summery girl vox, check out Camera Obscura--
http://www.andmoresound.co.uk/cameraobscura/index.shtml

and the Gentle Waves (search for them at www.emusic.com). if you're a pop fan Belle and Sebastian might be the way to go.... http://jeepster.co.uk/

They also have info on the Gentle Waves.

The Stratford 4 is a band on JetSet records and some dl's can be found on emusic. They are the Strokes without all the pre-fab glitter but with a raw energy that Casablancas could never match in a million years. They're possibly the rock saviors.

you should also check out a band called Denali, also findable :) on emusic. They have a very ethereal sound that reminds me of Ida meets Slowdive.

Speaking of Slowdive, Mojave 3 is a band everyone should know, and anyone who likes anything from 4ad (tonya donnelly, mr arn???) should check whatever they can find by them out.

Next up is Karl Mullen. Karl is a local singer-songwriter here in Pittsburgh who was born and raised in Ireland b4 moving to the States. He's fantastic and his range varies OH SO MUCH. www.karlmullen.com Look at his art too. Awesome

And Last but not least, my current "pick" of the moment (next to Thievery) is Pizzicato Five, a group from Japan that's been around forever it seems. They just put all their stuff on www.emusic.com which is great-- I can now replace alot of my P5 vinyl. Or at least preserve it. They are quirky and they're japanese. What more could you want???

[krossfyter]

my opinion....


punk music should be a platform to spring off of and get better and do some original crap rather then use it as your claim to fame.... now a days that is.

[krossfyter]

as for emo...


well its rather boring.



okay pie me.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by krossfyter
as for emo...
well its rather boring.
okay pie me.

i would, but me and you have been over this.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i would, but me and you have been over this.



true that.... home grown! home school! home drone! home spank!


:D

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by krossfyter
true that.... home grown! home school! home drone! home spank!

:D

who am i to question?


some emo sucks. some is good. just like most anything.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


who am i to question?


some emo sucks. some is good. just like most anything.



yeah its all a matter of preference when it comes down to it.


no ones taste is nesacarilly better then the other its just some are more refined... i guess.




dig it.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by krossfyter
when it comes down to it.
no ones taste is nesacarilly better then the other its just some are more refined... i guess.
dig it.

i think saying "more refined" implies "better."

it's all taste. opinions. etc.

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i think saying "more refined" implies "better."

it's all taste. opinions. etc.




okay... yeah it does. i guess im wrong. someones taste can be better then the others. but the question really is ..... how do gauge that?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by krossfyter
okay... yeah it does. i guess im wrong. someones taste can be better then the others. but the question really is ..... how do gauge that?

in my eyes, my tastes are better than yours. in your eyes, mine are worse.

similar to, but not the same level as a person thinking his/her morals are better. in that case however, morals are based on (usually) something more than opinion... so i think it's a bit more proper/understandable for someone to think their morals are better. after all, if they thought they weren't better, why would they have them? ha.

whereas opinions on this type of stuff (music) is just trivial basically and most should see that it's just personal preference.

[krossfyter]

yeah personal preference is the key here....


but there must be a better taste...because man .... THEN we really dont have a case against them britney spear fans !:D



some people just dabble in trying to develop a taste without knowing it. some know thier taste and its full steam ahead.... so in that sense it can be a refining proccess.




dig it home drone!

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by krossfyter
yeah personal preference is the key here....

but there must be a better taste...because man .... THEN we really dont have a case against them britney spear fans !:D


well, in this case, there is something to be said for musical talent or lack thereof. i mean, i might say rolling stones sucks, but i know that musically they far surpass someone like spears.

though body wise.... she has em beat.

i don't dig the blood drained look

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


well, in this case, there is something to be said for musical talent or lack thereof. i mean, i might say rolling stones sucks, but i know that musically they far surpass someone like spears.

though body wise.... she has em beat.

i don't dig the blood drained look



sure if we were talking about talent and musical ability but we are not. we are talking about the fans tastes.


by the way brintney is a prefabricated corporate money making machine used to exploit the bottom rung of people who listen to music and have ears.

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule

whereas opinions on this type of stuff (music) is just trivial basically and most should see that it's just personal preference.

I'd beg to differ. I was watching kids' TV with my girlfriend this morning and realised that most of it is basically free advertising for pop groups which have been created specifically to tap the disposable income and the pressure on parents that a key demographic (i.e. 13-year-old children) can exert.

Music becomes increasingly a matter of people hearing what they keep hearing and therefore only liking it because of repetition, not because they actually have made a conscious choice to like the music.

I guess this is why I find the emo stuff attractive, in that it has tunes and achieves some measure of independence from the great evil marketing machine.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I'd beg to differ. I was watching kids' TV with my girlfriend this morning and realised that most of it is basically free advertising for pop groups which have been created specifically to tap the disposable income and the pressure on parents that a key demographic (i.e. 13-year-old children) can exert.

Music becomes increasingly a matter of people hearing what they keep hearing and therefore only liking it because of repetition, not because they actually have made a conscious choice to like the music.

I guess this is why I find the emo stuff attractive, in that it has tunes and achieves some measure of independence from the great evil marketing machine.

well what i didn't mention is that i don't listen to the radio, ever.

therefore, i wouldn't fall into that.

sure, a lot of the new pop is for that. hence that whole new show just to find a star, just to make money. not find a star, CREATE a star.

anyhoo, i totally agree, i listen to almost all indie music too, which is why i'm not subjected to mainstream except via commercials and whatnot, and thus, i can't be sucked in too well.

but when it comes to the music i like or would hear, it's opinion/personal preference? make more sense?

i only like maybe 10 bands or so that have ever been on the radio.... u2, live, toad the wet sprocket, five for fighting.... and i can't think of others. though some of the emo/indie stuff has gotten on the radio lately. word up

[Dunepilot]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


well what i didn't mention is that i don't listen to the radio, ever.

therefore, i wouldn't fall into that.

sure, a lot of the new pop is for that. hence that whole new show just to find a star, just to make money. not find a star, CREATE a star.

anyhoo, i totally agree, i listen to almost all indie music too, which is why i'm not subjected to mainstream except via commercials and whatnot, and thus, i can't be sucked in too well.

but when it comes to the music i like or would hear, it's opinion/personal preference? make more sense?

i only like maybe 10 bands or so that have ever been on the radio.... u2, live, toad the wet sprocket, five for fighting.... and i can't think of others. though some of the emo/indie stuff has gotten on the radio lately. word up

I haven't listened to the radio in about 5 years either, but music is so pervasive today that you can't go into a shop without being subjected to whatever pop is big at the time (in this country it's been all UK garage -influenced stuff for the past 2 years or so). I still think a lot of people are forced into liking certain musical genres by over-exposure to them.

I used to like Live, but went off them a short while after I bought Secret Samadhi. Very few people in Britain have ever heard of them, despite their size in the US, which is quite wierd.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Dunepilot
I haven't listened to the radio in about 5 years either, but music is so pervasive today that you can't go into a shop without being subjected to whatever pop is big at the time (in this country it's been all UK garage -influenced stuff for the past 2 years or so). I still think a lot of people are forced into liking certain musical genres by over-exposure to them.

I used to like Live, but went off them a short while after I bought Secret Samadhi. Very few people in Britain have ever heard of them, despite their size in the US, which is quite wierd.

yeah i hear ya. i mean, after all, i still know that backstreet boys came first, but got kicked out by nsync, and all that crap.... as for people being forced into liking it. i agree, but those people are easily influenced and don't think for themselves really... which at 13 of course is understandable... but when you get older, it's less excusable. to hear "oops i did it again" and like it...??? yuck.

live's second to last album was quite good. their latest is not so good apparently, though i haven't gotten it... i think if nothing else they've remained true to themselves rather than poppifying further to gain more stardom... at some point, they certainly could have become huge easily..