Picasa for Mac and FileMaker Pro 10 Released

[betaboy78]

I just saw this for those interested

http://picasa.google.com/mac/

I am so happy now!

[JG271]

Not Found

The requested URL /mac/ was not found on this server.

Not yet...

[dukebound85]

nice i do want an iphoto alternative as i hate iphoto with a passion

Not yet...

working for me

[kgarner]

link is working for me

[betaboy78]

Not yet...

I just downloaded it. Trying it now.

[pivo6]

Not yet...

The URL worked for me.

[lamadude]

link not working for me for the moment, but picasa for mac!! I couldn't be happier

still not working... could it be that google accidentaly released this and pulled it back off so it can announce it at macworld?

[Slash1959]

try this link:

http://picasa.google.com/mac_tools.html

[JG271]

try this link:

http://picasa.google.com/mac_tools.html

EDIT: Thats the web uploader...

First link didn't work for some reason :confused:
I'm thinking the first link only works in the US.

[lamadude]

try this link:

http://picasa.google.com/mac_tools.html

that's just the web uploader for me....

[xUKHCx]

Not yet...

nice i do want an iphoto alternative as i hate iphoto with a passion



working for me

Interesting everyone who said it is working comes from the US. UK here and it doesn't work.

Could go in via a proxy but not that bothered to be honest. Anyone wanting to post a direct link?

[lamadude]

would any of the americans be so kind as to upload it to rapidshare or something like that? How big is the file?

[Diaresi]

Yeah i'm the same, in the UK and it's a no-go :confused:

[smt1192]

The file is 17.2 MB

[ericthered]

http://googlemac.blogspot.com/

[Ludde]

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10906661

This seems to work fine :)

[lamadude]

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10906661

This seems to work fine :)

Yups, that one works, thank you so much!

[xUKHCx]

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10906661

This seems to work fine :)

Works fine for this UKer :). Wonders why google have location based sniffing setup :(

[j/k/Andy]

Intel only:(

[lamadude]

It's importing my pictures right now. The program is probably WINE based like the linux version, but looks good. Feels a lot snappier than iPhoto ;-)

[doug in albq]

Interesting! Great looking app for being free.

After about 10 minutes of playing around with it I noticed Picasa's preview window seems to darken up my .nef and .dng photos that have Adobe RGB as their color space. It did not change my .jpg with sRGB.

When it first imported my pictures their color levels were as I see them in Bridge, or any other App on my mac, then you could see Picasa's viewer darkening them up, one at a time.

I will play around some more with it, but happy enough with bridge...

[JG271]

Intel only:(

On the versiontracker link it says PPC for 10.4 and 10.5.

Works fine now on the versiontracker link too, thanks!

[xUKHCx]

It is fast and the find faces feature is pretty good, even found the faces in statues I have photographed.

It will be interesting to play with this for a while. I wonder if it can replace iPhoto. It is not all fully there just yet but hopefully by the time Picasa 4 rolls out it will be.

[SnowLeopard2008]

iPhoto >>>>> Picasa. I love the UI and features of iPhoto that Picasa lacks.

[fpbecker]

On the versiontracker link it says PPC for 10.4 and 10.5.

Works fine now on the versiontracker link too, thanks!

It is Intel only:

mephisto:~ fpbecker$ lipo -i /Applications/Picasa.app/Contents/MacOS/Picasa
Non-fat file: /Applications/Picasa.app/Contents/MacOS/Picasa is architecture: i386

[dukebound85]

iPhoto >>>>> Picasa. I love the UI and features of iPhoto that Picasa lacks.

meanwhile i love how picasa manages the photo library over iphoto (which is horrid imo)

i hate iphoto like i hate the gators lol

[lamadude]

iPhoto >>>>> Picasa. I love the UI and features of iPhoto that Picasa lacks.

Personally I prefer picasa; but now all mac users can make up their own mind :-) I think iPhoto is much slower, and I don't like how it takes control over my photo library.

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/05/picasa-for-mac-and-filemaker-pro-10-released/)

Google today released Picasa for Mac (http://picasa.google.com/mac/). As detailed in the Official Google Mac Blog entry on the release (http://googlemac.blogspot.com/2009/01/picasas-macworld-debut.html), the beta version of Google's free photo management application provides users with a number of tools for photo manipulation while also providing smooth integration with Picasa's free photo-sharing site.

If you've never tried Picasa before, it's a program that helps you manage, edit, and share your photo collection. It works especially well with Picasa Web Albums, Google's free photo-sharing site, so it can help you manage the photo albums you've shared online with friends and family as well as the photos on your computer. In addition to photo editing tools, the Picasa client includes features like automatic web sync, fast and simple sharing, collage making, and simple movie editing.

Google notes that several features, including geotagging and webcam capture, are not yet functional, but will be added at a later date. Picasa for Mac requires OS X 10.4 or later and an Intel-based Mac.

Today also saw the release of FileMaker Pro 10 (http://www.filemaker.com/products/filemaker-pro/?homepage=fmp10overview). FileMaker's press release (http://www.filemaker.com/company/newsroom/releases/new_filemaker_pro_10_ships_with_sleek_new_interface_and_breakthrough_reporting_and_automating_featur es.html) covers a number of improvements in the database application's interface and new scripting and reporting features. FileMaker Pro 10 is priced at $299 for new users and $179 for users upgrading from FileMaker 8 or later. FileMaker Pro 10 Advanced, which brings additional development and customization tools, is priced at $499 for new users and $299 for upgrade users. Server versions of both packages are also available.

Both of these releases had been expected and were highlighted in our Macworld Rumor Roundup (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/04/macworld-san-francisco-2009-rumor-roundup/).

Article Link: Picasa for Mac and FileMaker Pro 10 Released (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/05/picasa-for-mac-and-filemaker-pro-10-released/)

[Sky Blue]

Good time to release it with a new iPhoto likely out tomorrow.

[xUKHCx]

meanwhile i love how picasa manages the photo library over iphoto (which is horrid imo)

i hate iphoto like i hate the gators lol


To be honest I wish picasa had an option (personal preference, just like iphoto needs the option not to) to move all pictures to a central location because it removes the possibilty of moving/deletng pictures etc. If it had that and the ability to create books then it would almost be a complete replacement.

[lamadude]

Picasa was the only program that I missed from the windows world (appart from some games)

[mikeinternet]

and i just started to get a handle on 'events' in iphoto.

[SydneyDev]

They may find the competition tougher on the Mac than the PC, as every Mac comes with iPhoto in the box.

[fuziwuzi]

the picasa page only lets you download the updater which has been avilable for some time. could anyone actually download picasa?

[Sky Blue]

FM10 looks interesting, we have to use if I can get a download through our work licensing.

[emt1]

how is this better than iPhoto?

[lamadude]

how is this better than iPhoto?

It depends on your taste of course but here are some reasons

-it doesn't take control over your picture library the way iPhoto does
-it has a great integration with picasa web albums, if you use that
-performance, I think it works much smoother, especially with large picture libraries
-It's free

[amac4me]

Nice to see an expanded offering from Google. It only persuades more and more software vendors to release Mac versions of their applications.

[mwjd299]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/05/picasa-for-mac-and-filemaker-pro-10-released/)

Google today released Picasa for Mac (http://picasa.google.com/mac/). As detailed in the Official Google Mac Blog entry on the release (http://googlemac.blogspot.com/2009/01/picasas-macworld-debut.html), the beta version of Google's free photo management application provides users with a number of tools for photo manipulation while also providing smooth integration with Picasa's free photo-sharing site.

Article Link: Picasa for Mac and FileMaker Pro 10 Released (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/05/picasa-for-mac-and-filemaker-pro-10-released/)

I just discovered the Picasaweb plug-in for iPhoto a couple of months ago. I cannot see how this stand alone is better. It is integrated right into iPhoto. You use iPhoto to build your album and edit the photos. Then click export and choose Picasaweb. Give your album a name if you desire and It does the rest. I really like it and it's super easy. :)

[mwjd299]

I just discovered the Picasaweb plug-in for iPhoto a couple of months ago. I cannot see how this stand alone is better. It is integrated right into iPhoto. You use iPhoto to build your album and edit the photos. Then click export and choose Picasaweb. Give your album a name if you desire and It does the rest. I really like it and it's super easy. :)

I just looked at the system requirements for the Picasa for Mac photo app. I would need an Intel Mac to use it. That lets me out since I have PPC iMac. That's OK since the iPhoto plug in works just as well or better IMO. I don't have to import the pictures from my iPhoto library into the Picasa app. ;)

[AHDuke99]

Still no Google Chrome? What gives?

[kgraf6]

Still no Google Chrome? What gives?

I can't wait for Google Chrome.
Although I find Safari quite ok (I hate firefox on mac), Google Chrome is my preferred browser.

[mabhatter]

I just discovered the Picasaweb plug-in for iPhoto a couple of months ago. I cannot see how this stand alone is better. It is integrated right into iPhoto. You use iPhoto to build your album and edit the photos. Then click export and choose Picasaweb. Give your album a name if you desire and It does the rest. I really like it and it's super easy. :)

All the iApps are great i really liked how they worked out-of-the box to make a new computer USEFUL to an average person. That said all the iApps (iLife and iWork) have silly little Apple lock-in applied to them.

iPhoto locks up your photo library in a format no other non-apple program can get to. If you use images from say your camera in other places, you have to "export" them first for any other program to see them... how silly. iTunes/iPods don't search for music folders each start up like Winamp does, want every item placed in it's library file. iWeb only exports to Apple's Mobile Me sites even though it is a nice editor, again with good tying to iPhoto and iMovie. iLife apps work between each other but using imports from other formats requires conversion that "kills" the file so it can't go back EASILY (or you have two versions). The iApps are great apps, but when it's time to start growing, Apple's lock-in attempts are comical and childish.

Anyway, In this case Picassa reads all your images and leaves them exactly where you put them. It just indexes and allows you to tag and arrange while the original images are unchanged/unmoved unless you explicitly tell Picassa to. I use it on Windows along side other stuff... that's the point. If I STOPPED using picassa tomorrow, all my stuff would be right there, just how I left it. That's a good, well-behaved application.

[cmcbridejr]

It's importing my pictures right now. The program is probably WINE based like the linux version, but looks good. Feels a lot snappier than iPhoto ;-)

Dude, it is way faster and snappier than iPhoto.

[BenRoethig]

Great news, Picasa is the best free photo app out there by far. From what I've seen so far, they also seem to do a great job integrated into the Mac platform. Filemaker 10 looks like a pretty good as well.

[rosalindavenue]

Picasa is a high quality app. I used it from 02-06 on a pc and thought it was apple quality in usability, and was better with lots of pictures than any but the most recent iphoto. iphoto could use the competition.

[Mavimao]

Picasa is a wonderful program! I would like to use it, but in all honesty, iPhoto does everything I need it to do.

[SydneyDev]

Anyway, In this case Picassa reads all your images and leaves them exactly where you put them. It just indexes and allows you to tag and arrange while the original images are unchanged/unmoved unless you explicitly tell Picassa to.

iPhoto can also work on your photos in-place, it's in the preferences. So can iTunes.

IMHO there is no lock-in with either of these apps. Your audio and image files are not stored in a custom database, but as simple files on the filesystem. In both programs you can right-click and select "show in Finder" and the file is just there, without exporting.

[xraydoc]

Dude, it is way faster and snappier than iPhoto.

This.

While I think I would still prefer iPhoto, Picasa is very fast - much like the Windows version. Why isn't iPhoto this smooth?

Choice is good.

[iJed]

Picasa seems nice and fast but it doesn't look or feel like a Mac app... I think I'll stick with iPhoto for the time being.

[rick3000]

I don't like iPhoto very much, and this program looks great, but there is no PPC support. I know that they don't sell PPC macs anymore but about half of mac users are still on PPC, and Google is leaving all of them out in the cold.

[StuPidQPid]

iPhoto locks up your photo library in a format no other non-apple program can get to. If you use images from say your camera in other places, you have to "export" them first for any other program to see them... how silly.

Not sure what you mean. You should be able to access all your images in the iPhoto Library (both modified and originals).
If you're having trouble, just right-click (or control-click) on the library and click on "show package contents" - everything is still there and easily accessible without the need for doing any sort of export.

[macfan881]

Great now where is Chrome.
:confused:

[chimerical]

Thank you Google! Picasa for Mac <3

[mkrishnan]

I don't like iPhoto very much, and this program looks great, but there is no PPC support. I know that they don't sell PPC macs anymore but about half of mac users are still on PPC, and Google is leaving all of them out in the cold.

My photos are in Picasa now on an XP box, but I was wondering along a similar line... with an app like Picasa, what would have made it particularly hard to deliver it as a universal binary? Given the install size, it's hardly like the UB size would have been crushing, and wouldn't an app like this have been developed in Cocoa that should be fairly easily made UB?

[fjk]

REJOICE!!

now if only Chrome would come out.....

Picasa >>> iPhoto! :D no more using LR2 just to browse and organize photos!

[tilman]

To be honest I wish picasa had an option (personal preference, just like iphoto needs the option not to) to move all pictures to a central location because it removes the possibilty of moving/deletng pictures etc. If it had that and the ability to create books then it would almost be a complete replacement.

In Picasa for the Mac, you can move pictures into new folders (right or option click after selecting pictures, select "Move to New Folder") , and entire folders (right or option click on the folder, select "Move Folder"). And you can also delete pictures (right click, select "Delete from Disk").

[lamadude]

My photos are in Picasa now on an XP box, but I was wondering along a similar line... with an app like Picasa, what would have made it particularly hard to deliver it as a universal binary? Given the install size, it's hardly like the UB size would have been crushing, and wouldn't an app like this have been developed in Cocoa that should be fairly easily made UB?

It is because the program uses the open source technology WINE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)), this makes it very easy to create linux and mac versions of picasa, but only for intel, a PPC version would require a lot more work.
Wine is also being used in those EA games that only work on intel. Programs like Cider and Crossover use the same technology.

[zephead]

Yes!! All I can say is it's about ****** time. Picasa worked wonders for me when I had my old computer, and I was (and still am) disappointed with iPhoto when I got a Mac. But yaaay, Picasa for Mac is out now! :D

[Razeus]

This is great news. iPhoto is utter trash. Sure it works great out of the box, but Picasa is a much better management app than iPhoto. I can't stand the way iPhoto takes over my library and decides how wants to organize MY stuff. I organize my stuff by Year, then the Event. I don't organize by Event first. I see where Apple is going with their organization, but I personally like to go to the year the event took place FIRST, then go to the Event SECOND. Plus I didn't like the way iPhoto kept every copy of my edits. That's ridiculous. Picasa is a MUCH MUCH better tool. I use it in tandem with Photoshop Elements. I am going to miss the way Myspace and Facebook (with the Facebook tool) will directly upload my iPhoto "Albums" though. It's no biggie since I only upload a few choice pics. I also like how Picasa will move pics into new folders without having me go to "system level" to do it. HURRAY FOR GOOGLE AND PICASA 3!!!

[BornAgainMac]

I won't use it because it uses WINE. I want a real Mac App and not some fake Windows app with less features than the real Windows app.

[Razeus]

I won't use it because it uses WINE. I want a real Mac App and not some fake Windows app with less features than the real Windows app.

what is WINE????


my iPhoto library is in the Trash. The Trash as been emptied. iPhoto has been removed from the dock. I love Picasa on Windows, the only program I missed moving to Mac.

[lamadude]

I won't use it because it uses WINE. I want a real Mac App and not some fake Windows app with less features than the real Windows app.

As long as it works (and works faster than iPhoto), who cares what technology it uses?

[ddTaylor]

Personally I prefer picasa; but now all mac users can make up their own mind :-) I think iPhoto is much slower, and I don't like how it takes control over my photo library.

I agree! I HATE the way iPhone accosts my photos. This is great, save for some UI issues and some hunting around to do things I knew well in iPhoto. Overall this is a great app and did I mention the price! :)

D

[Sijmen]

Any one else noticed the Chrome icon in the Dock in the screenshot?

[MacFly123]

Sorry, it looks ok but I'm not interested. I love iPhoto and especially the books and other things you can make :D

[doug in albq]

Interesting! Great looking app for being free.

After about 10 minutes of playing around with it I noticed Picasa's preview window seems to darken up my .nef and .dng photos that have Adobe RGB as their color space. It did not change my .jpg with sRGB.

When it first imported my pictures their color levels were as I see them in Bridge, or any other App on my mac, then you could see Picasa's viewer darkening them up, one at a time.

I will play around some more with it, but happy enough with bridge...


So no one else is having this issue? Do you all just shoot in .jpg format? Anyone else seeing a darkening of the photos in Picasa? I am a bit unique in that I have a Mac, but I use PC gamma levels. Still, .jpgs look the same and all RAW formats appear darker in the Picasa photo browser...?

[kgraf6]

what is WINE????

WINE is an attempt to bring all of the dependencies, libraries, and all of the core components of windows that are required to run applications to the Linux platform. The same technology has also been ported to Mac for the same purpose.

[pdxflint]

I've been using Picasa (for Windows) on my MBP for several months now via CrossOver (given away free a few months ago... ) and it has worked perfectly in parallel with iPhoto. I'm not sure how the new Mac version works yet, but I will find out soon in a direct comparison on my MBP. I like in Picasa how you can assign folders to "watch" and Picasa will keep an eye on them for any changes to the contents, and display the images without "importing" them.

Now that I'm finally used to the way iPhoto does things, I'm hard-pressed to see any important distinctions between them other than the way they handle photo organization, but I've always liked the interface with Picasa in the past, so I'll probably slowly move away from iPhoto.

[PCFan]

I'm in Canada and the link to download it works just fine.

[lamadude]

my iPhoto library is in the Trash. The Trash as been emptied. iPhoto has been removed from the dock. I love Picasa on Windows, the only program I missed moving to Mac.

Haha nice, I was a little less drastic and kept iPhoto but removed its icon from my dock and replaced it with the picasa icon. If I have no issues in the following weeks I'll trash the iPhoto app as well, and that was the only iLife app I used (except for iTunes which is free anyway)

[dvkid]

FM10 looks interesting, we have to use if I can get a download through our work licensing.

Their trial-download server has been REALLY backed up today. I put in a request for a trial here at the office four hours ago and still haven't seen it. Spoke with somebody in support and they said that everything is bogged down today.

Not a big deal, the 5-user box is on its way already. Just would've liked the trial to get comfy before rolling it out to the others.

[mayanka89]

Picasa for Mac is great. Tried iPhoto when I first got this Macbook in October, but I didn't like how it re-organized my photos from my tree-structured folders.

Also like how Picasa can play the movies that I have taken from my camcorder and edited with iMovie.

Cool feature is to display only the pictures with faces in it.

[mkrishnan]

It is because the program uses the open source technology WINE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software))

Oh, wow, it's running using Wine? I had no idea.

[~Shard~]

Great news, I always liked using Picasa on my Windows box. I do like iPhoto and have never had any issues as far as my needs are concerned, but what I do like is the Picasa Web albums feature, as I do not have a Flickr or MobileMe account as I have never wanted to pay for such a service. Picasa appears to provide 1 GB of free storage, which will meet my needs just fine, for now at least. ;)

Downloading it now, will trial it out afterwards and see how it performs...

Edit: Hmm, just realized that I could have used the Web Albums feature all along, as the Picasa web albums exporter lives right inside iPhoto. Ooops... :o

[andiwm2003]

it's great that Google made Picasa for Mac. But why? Aside of pissing off Apple they gain nothing?

Anyway, i liked Picasa on XP and in a few month I will try Picasa for Mac. By then I'm sure it's stable and there may be import tools to import my iPhoto metadata. If i can sync then the library between a Mac and a PC I'll drop iPhoto.

[boxlight]

I just saw this for those interested

http://picasa.google.com/mac/

I am so happy now!

I'd like to try Picasa for Mac (iPhoto '06 is feeling slow and out-dated) so I started to install it, but I cancelled when it asked me for my admin password.

Since switching to Mac I've come to hate "windows style" installation wizards that require admin privs to complete the install. Why can't I just drag and drop the Picasa icon to the Desktop and run it? I hate the thought that junk is being installed in folders all over my system. And since there's no real "uninstaller", I'll never get rid of it all if I don't want to keep the app.

Come on, google, be a good Mac citizen and provide a drag-and-drop-the-icon installation.

[emt1]

I'd like to try Picasa for Mac (iPhoto '06 is feeling slow and out-dated) so I started to install it, but I cancelled when it asked me for my admin password.

Since switching to Mac I've come to hate "windows style" installation wizards that require admin privs to complete the install. Why can't I just drag and drop the Picasa icon to the Desktop and run it? I hate the thought that junk is being installed in folders all over my system. And since there's no real "uninstaller", I'll never get rid of it all if I don't want to keep the app.

Come on, google, be a good Mac citizen and provide a drag-and-drop-the-icon installation.

Many drag-and-drop style programs install stuff everyone on your computer on first launch. Nothing is pure.

[boxlight]

it's great that Google made Picasa for Mac. But why? Aside of pissing off Apple they gain nothing?

They gain more users of their application and more web based photo albums. More web traffic, more ads, more revenue.

And if they upset Apple, well, competition is good. Picasa for Mac should cause Apple to improve iPhoto, and maybe even make it free (and don't say it is free because it ain't -- i'm still running the pre-installed iPhoto '06 on my iMac because I don't think iPhoto/iLife '08 is worth $80).

[63dot]

We are off to a good start. I wonder what the rest of this week will bring.

[lukechip]

I was one of those people frustrated by iPhoto's lack of organisational tools.

Then I found Keyword Manager, and have never looked back. Check it out:

http://www.bullstorm.se

This is great news. iPhoto is utter trash. Sure it works great out of the box, but Picasa is a much better management app than iPhoto. I can't stand the way iPhoto takes over my library and decides how wants to organize MY stuff. I organize my stuff by Year, then the Event. I don't organize by Event first. I see where Apple is going with their organization, but I personally like to go to the year the event took place FIRST, then go to the Event SECOND. Plus I didn't like the way iPhoto kept every copy of my edits. That's ridiculous. Picasa is a MUCH MUCH better tool. I use it in tandem with Photoshop Elements. I am going to miss the way Myspace and Facebook (with the Facebook tool) will directly upload my iPhoto "Albums" though. It's no biggie since I only upload a few choice pics. I also like how Picasa will move pics into new folders without having me go to "system level" to do it. HURRAY FOR GOOGLE AND PICASA 3!!!

[majorp]

Any one else noticed the Chrome icon in the Dock in the screenshot?

which screenshot?

[marold280]

omg picasa is soooooo much better than iphoto in my opinion !
finally. :) thanks for letting me know macrumours!

[alexbates]

Where is Google Chrome?

It has taken forever for them to develop a version for Mac.

[majorp]

What is google web drive?

[killmoms]

Wow. This has to be one of the most hideous Mac apps ever released.

Was this UI designed by a blind person?

[boxlight]

Many drag-and-drop style programs install stuff everyone on your computer on first launch. Nothing is pure.

My user account does not have admin privs so if an application tries to copy files or modify something outside of "/Users/~" then I get prompted to specify the admin password. If it's an application that I'm not sure I trust or I'm just curious about and evaluating, I usually dump it.

I have lots of drag-and-drop-to-install applications (most of the good ones are like that, actually) in "/Users/~/Applications" that have never prompted me for an admin password. That's the way it should be.

[jonik]

Gotta love it how Google takes into consideration the fact that some users will want to use both iPhoto and Picasa, and apparently they've made Picasa to play nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDKFjc3_wrk (Introducing Picasa for Mac)

[dissdnt]

Come on folks we all know what this is about.

iPhoto is for personal photos, to publish, sync with your iphone etc.

Picasa is for porn.

[mykoljay]

This is great news.

This is definitely something I missed when moving over to Mac this year.
I like the ability to add photos to web album with ease.

[Trip.Tucker]

It depends on your taste of course but here are some reasons

-it doesn't take control over your picture library the way iPhoto does
-it has a great integration with picasa web albums, if you use that
-performance, I think it works much smoother, especially with large picture libraries
-It's free

Conversely:

- iPhoto manages my photo's so I don't have to (I'd rather let iPhoto control my photo's than me have to waste hours futzing around file locations and duplicates) isn't having a Mac about ease of use?

- iPhoto has great integration with .Mac web publishing so I get 1 click photo gallery generation from my albums

- I'm on a Mac pro. I have no issues with large libraries. My wife has a 2nd gen iMac, again no issues with (in her case) VERY large photo libraries.

- iPhoto is free! It came with our Macs.

[Razeus]

Conversely:

- iPhoto manages my photo's so I don't have to (I'd rather let iPhoto control my photo's than me have to waste hours futzing around file locations and duplicates) isn't having a Mac about ease of use?

- iPhoto has great integration with .Mac web publishing so I get 1 click photo gallery generation from my albums

- I'm on a Mac pro. I have no issues with large libraries. My wife has a 2nd gen iMac, again no issues with (in her case) VERY large photo libraries.

- iPhoto is free! It came with our Macs.

if you think iPhoto (or iLife for that matter) was "free" just because it came on your mac when you bought it, you're kidding yourself.

[html]

Roxio announced toast 10 today, too!!!!!:):):):)

[skiwhitman]

What is google web drive?

How did you make that image?

[Trip.Tucker]

if you think iPhoto (or iLife for that matter) was "free" just because it came on your mac when you bought it, you're kidding yourself.

Explain it to me then?

Re: your question regarding WINE. Wine Is Not an Emulator. WINE is used to run Windows applications natively on OS X.

[alexbates]

How did you make that image?

Command-Shift-4 on a Mac. Then just click and drag to select the part of your screen you want to take a screenshot of. You can also do Command-Shift-3 if you want to take a screenshot of your whole screen.

After you do that, an image should appear on your desktop.

[esXXI]

Terrible, terrible UI. It's a shame people let Google get away with it just because it's Google.

if you think iPhoto (or iLife for that matter) was "free" just because it came on your mac when you bought it, you're kidding yourself.
Except it is free bundled with any Mac. In the same way certain "pro" apps come free bundled with MBP and MP.

[twoodcc]

glad to see both of these released for mac, especially picasa. seems like it took forever for it to finally get released for mac

[garty]

I used Picasa on a PC last week and I connected my camera and it asked for a folder name and I'm like WTF? Folder? I don't know what I want to call the folder, why do I care what the folder is called just automatically split everything into events on import would you? Folder? WTF?

[Razeus]

Explain it to me then?

Re: your question regarding WINE. Wine Is Not an Emulator. WINE is used to run Windows applications natively on OS X.

I pretty sure Apple as the iLife $79 price tag built into the Mac's pricing. Of this I'm certain.

[alexbates]

I pretty sure Apple as the iLife $79 price tag built into the Mac's pricing. Of this I'm certain.

I wish Apple would also have iWork included in the price to buy a Mac but I bet that will never happen. I have always stuck with Microsoft Office because I have been using it sense Windows 98 and have never learned all of the features of iWork.

[Trip.Tucker]

I pretty sure Apple as the iLife $79 price tag built into the Mac's pricing. Of this I'm certain.

Well, you're wrong.

[thejadedmonkey]

I have wanted this program for OS X since I switched, almost 2 years ago, and the day it comes out, Apple has my computer in for fixin'. :mad:

Time to go take over the family computer :D

[oyebto]

hm.. maybe tomorrow during macworld a better iphoto will be announced?

cause this picasa totally rocks my socks.

[Razeus]

Well, you're wrong.

care to source your information?

in fact, it would be illegal for them to offer it for "free" because you bought a mac and make sell the same version for $79 in retail.

[gwangung]

care to source your information?

in fact, it would be illegal for them to offer it for "free" because you bought a mac and make sell the same version for $79 in retail.

Hm?

I don't think so. Happens all the time.

[virduk]

meanwhile i love how picasa manages the photo library over iphoto (which is horrid imo)

Plus Picasa can actually read the raw format my camera uses unlike iPhoto.

[hawken king]

I'll chime in with the rest of you. Been waiting for this for years. Probably one of the many who wrote to Google asking for a mac version. I used to use picassa before my HP died, and I loved it.

But my laptop (12") and work machine (G5) are still ppc... so as much as I hate iPhoto, I can't shake it.

[nxtort]

My Quad is crying right now. No wait that's leaking coolant.

[bretm]

Terrible, terrible UI. It's a shame people let Google get away with it just because it's Google.


Except it is free bundled with any Mac. In the same way certain "pro" apps come free bundled with MBP and MP.

Absolutely zero pro apps come bundled on pro machines. In fact, they've classically had less apps.

[Trip.Tucker]

care to source your information?

in fact, it would be illegal for them to offer it for "free" because you bought a mac and make sell the same version for $79 in retail.

No, it is not illegal. That's a ridiculous and illogical statement to make.

[dannychang]

THIs IS AWESOME!!!!!....

The wait is over.

Picasa is on Maccccccccc...AHHHHHHHHHH

[HyperZboy]

Yes, POWERPC is discontinued, but it's just INEXCUSABLE that Google couldn't have released something like Picasa as a Universal Binary.
Even Filemaker Pro is a UB, but Picasa is too complex or costly to do ???

I mean c'mon, probably 25-40% of the Mac user base is still PowerPC and that includes some very expensive and powerful Macs that many people WON'T be replacing in 2009 with the souring economy.

I just can't imagine it would have taken a lot more effort to make Picasa a UB.

And Chrome?

C'mon shameful Mac support from Google. I suspect now that Google has its OWN cell phone initiative, the once cozy Apple/Google relationship is probably now strained, so they're going to release half-azz Mac programs now instead?

Pathetic.

[Desfolio]

Glad to see iPhoto get some competition.

[hitekalex]

It depends on your taste of course but here are some reasons

-it doesn't take control over your picture library the way iPhoto does


What exactly does "take control" mean? iPhoto is perfectly capable of either organizing your photos in its own database, or working with your own file/directory structure. Some people prefer not to worry about physical file structure, and iPhoto is great for that. Other people (myself) are more of control freaks and like their directory structure to be left intact - iPhoto is down with that as well with a simple option set in Preferences.

[odinsride]

Cool I guess, but I'm sticking with Aperture :cool:

[MagnusVonMagnum]

It is Intel only:


I guess I won't be using it then since even though I do have an Intel MBP (and a Windows machine for that matter), all my photo editing, etc. is done on my PowerMac. I guess Photoshop will have to do. Google clearly doesn't want my patronage. They can keep Chrome too.

If I'm not mistaken, doesn't Apple's current developer software and compiler produce PPC code from source code more or less for free (as in free beer) to make it simple for developers to make Universal applications? I mean most software coming out that is not available for PPC are games made through something like Cider where the code was made for a different platform. Maybe that's the case here too? More slow windows wrapper code.

I won't use it because it uses WINE. I want a real Mac App and not some fake Windows app with less features than the real Windows app.

I guess there's my answer....emulated code. That's FAR WORSE than even Cider's method. You might as well just run Parallels or Fusion on your Intel Mac and run the full featured Windows version. Google isn't a large enough company to hire a few Mac programmers to do it right, I guess. I'm glad I didn't buy any stock in them in the past few years. It's been tumbling down and if this is their game, I hope it continues to do so. They don't deserve my support.

I can't wait for Google Chrome.
Although I find Safari quite ok (I hate firefox on mac), Google Chrome is my preferred browser.

You hate Firefox on Mac as in you're implying that maybe you like it elsewhere? It's the same program no matter what and it's completely customizable. I don't know how anyone can 'hate' it. You can make it almost just like Safari if that's what makes you happy (personally I'm no big fan of Safari). Chrome is a 100% Windows experience. What makes you think it'll be good on a Mac if you don't even like Firefox?

Terrible, terrible UI. It's a shame people let Google get away with it just because it's Google.


Except it is free bundled with any Mac. In the same way certain "pro" apps come free bundled with MBP and MP.

It's apparently an emulated (or close enough thereof) version and so of course it's not going to look like it's for the Mac because it's NOT MADE FOR THE MAC. It's made for Windows and they're just using some free open source tools to hack it well enough to run and nothing else. Like I said, just run Windows on an Intel Mac if you need Windows programs. I'd rather give my business to companies that actually support the Mac, not just play wrapper/emulation/conversion, which always looks like a Windows program and always runs much slower than on a Windows machine because it's being translated and little else.

As for 'free', clearly what the guy meant is Apple isn't giving ANYTHING away for free. They simply figure the cost/value of the product and add it into the price of the machine they're selling. Simply put, if they didn't include it, the machine would cost less. So again, you aren't getting ANYTHING for free from Apple. It's kind of like that 'free' credit check offered on TV, but it's NOT free. You have to enroll in Triple Advantage to get the 'free' report so they get your money. That's "free"??? LOL. But as they say, suckers are born every day and clearly those credit check guys are getting a lot of suckers or they would have gone out of business by now. Line them right up with the male enhancement and girls gone wild commercials (and throw them in the dumpster if I had my way). I mean there's the old tried and true pricing at the gas stations of $1.99 9/10. Not ONLY are they using the psychological tool for selling something JUST under a price point that sounds unattractive ($2), but they run it up as close as they possibly can without creating an accounting nightmare (i.e. it's not even $1.99, but that 9/10 means that you only save one cent per $10) and YET people will say it costs $1.99 when they tell their friends when any rounding method in the world would tell you that it's more correct to say it costs $2. But people fall for it hook, line and sinker.

[ipoddin]

Would love to try Picassa as well...if it didn't crash every time I try to import my photos.:mad:

[bwanderson]

It is because the program uses the open source technology WINE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)), this makes it very easy to create linux and mac versions of picasa, but only for intel, a PPC version would require a lot more work.
Wine is also being used in those EA games that only work on intel. Programs like Cider and Crossover use the same technology.

Can you cite a source for this information, please? I took a look in the Picasa package and it looks like a normal Mac application to me. I'm not a coder though, so I might not know what to look for.

[Iamtherealwoody]

Damn Picasa makes the fans on my MacBook go crazy, I do like it though

[bwanderson]

Damn Picasa makes the fans on my MacBook go crazy, I do like it though

My MacBook howled while Picasa was importing, but it quieted down after that.

[patricksan]

I don't change my iPhoto for Picassa.

But it is good that now there is another tool to increase iPhoto upgrades.

[patricksan]

Would love to try Picassa as well...if it didn't crash every time I try to import my photos.:mad:

How many GB do you have?

[patricksan]

Cool I guess, but I'm sticking with Aperture :cool:

That's the best one. I used for more DSLRs pictures.... and iPhoto more for family pictures.

[petvas]

Am I missing something or Picasa doesn't support Smart Albums?

[Gerwin]

Picassa is a nice program, but I will not be installing any Google software for a while. Every time you install something Google, my computer gets filled up with new updater garbage that continuously runs in the background without me being informed about it. I get popups from that, giving me non informative information about failed updates for programs that I don't use. Google is more evil than Windows in this respect. I think I spent half an hour yesterday to remove all Google stuff that was running in the background without me knowing about it. It was everywhere. In my Library, in the systems Library, in my preferences, in Safari's plugins, in my launchdemons, in the system's launchdemons.
I really wish I could remove the Google search window from Safari.

[lamadude]

I guess there's my answer....emulated code. That's FAR WORSE than even Cider's method.

It's not "emulated code" Wine is not an emulator (that is even what the acronym "WINE" stands for) It is a compatibility layer, read the wine wikipedia article for more info. You're not running windows in the background like you would with virtualization programs or emulators. Also it's clearly not "FAR WORSE" than cider since it's the exact same technology.

[lamadude]

Can you cite a source for this information, please? I took a look in the Picasa package and it looks like a normal Mac application to me. I'm not a coder though, so I might not know what to look for.

It is a normal mac application in the sense that you can just drag it to your apps folder and it works. However this does not mean it's not using wine technology.
I can't be 100% sure that it uses wine, but I am 99% sure, it hasn't changed any interface elements and but it looks exactly the same as picasa for linux which is definitely wine based. Also, google has put a lot of resources into improving wine with the exact purpose of making it support picasa 3.

On a side note (in general, not directed to you bwanderson) I think the mac "purists" on this forum should give picasa a chance, and not dismiss it because it uses some technology they barely understand.If the program works, and is fast, and it does a great job of managing your photo library, why would anyone care what technology it uses? Of course, if you don't like picasa by all means don't use it, but if you only don't like it "because it uses wine" that is a very silly reason IMO.

[bananas]

There seems to be a few .exe files under the Picasa folder, so it probably is indeed done with wine.

/Applications/Picasa.app//Contents/Resources/cdautorun/PicasaCD.exe
/Applications/Picasa.app//Contents/Resources/cdautorun/PicasaRestore.exe
/Applications/Picasa.app//Contents/Resources/cdautorun/setup.exe

[Superdelphinus]

Firefox isn't the same on the mac as it is on the PC at all. Well, it's the same in every way except that the scrolling is totally fcked and annoying and so i have to use safari instead

[xUKHCx]

In Picasa for the Mac, you can move pictures into new folders (right or option click after selecting pictures, select "Move to New Folder") , and entire folders (right or option click on the folder, select "Move Folder"). And you can also delete pictures (right click, select "Delete from Disk").

You are misunderstanding me, I want Picasa to move all my photos I import into it to a central location like iPhoto does by default. This way I don't have to worry when using my computer if a file is in my photo library or not because I know that if it is there it is not. With the current way that Picasa is set up I would have to check. Afterall nobody wants every single picture on their computer inside Picasa.

I'd like to try Picasa for Mac (iPhoto '06 is feeling slow and out-dated) so I started to install it, but I cancelled when it asked me for my admin password.

Since switching to Mac I've come to hate "windows style" installation wizards that require admin privs to complete the install. Why can't I just drag and drop the Picasa icon to the Desktop and run it? I hate the thought that junk is being installed in folders all over my system. And since there's no real "uninstaller", I'll never get rid of it all if I don't want to keep the app.

Come on, google, be a good Mac citizen and provide a drag-and-drop-the-icon installation.

Picasa is drag and drop install :confused: It might ask for you admin password if you are not an admin and are trying to place it in the applications folder. Or if you are installing the Picasa web albums plugin for iPhoto as it is a plugin that directly works within iPhoto so needs higher privilidges for the install.

Where is Google Chrome?

It has taken forever for them to develop a version for Mac.

QUite a few people have said this but you need to remember that (Google) Picasa has been available for windows since 2004. Version 2 since 2005, Version 3 since September 2008. Meanwhile Chrome version 1 beta was released in Sepetember 2008.

[needthephone]

I don't understand why you would want picasa on an imac which ahs iphoto??

picasa puts in anb index file so google can see what you have indexed too.

Like someone said I can tolerate google on my PC but it is always updating, you fell always looking at you, it's like installing hal (the evil computer from 2001) its always searching always spying..

[HyperZboy]

It's not "emulated code" Wine is not an emulator (that is even what the acronym "WINE" stands for) It is a compatibility layer, read the wine wikipedia article for more info. You're not running windows in the background like you would with virtualization programs or emulators. Also it's clearly not "FAR WORSE" than cider since it's the exact same technology.

Who cares whether its a compatibility layer or emulated code?

BOTH have disadvantages and Mac users do not like either unless there is no other choice.

Macs are now Windows-compatible, so why should Mac users settle for these substandard done on the cheap alternatives?

With the Mac market growing at the expense of Windows market share, you'd think Google of all smart companies would know better.

Mac users may love having Windows compatibility as a Plan B, but they're NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS going to embrace these Windows based hacks wholeheartedly as a Plan A unless they are forced to.

And of course at LEAST 25-40% of the Mac market can't even use this program since they still have a PowerPC Mac of some kind.

[lamadude]

Who cares whether its a compatibility layer or emulated code?

BOTH have disadvantages and Mac users do not like either unless there is no other choice.

Macs are now Windows-compatible, so why should Mac users settle for these substandard done on the cheap alternatives?

With the Mac market growing at the expense of Windows market share, you'd think Google of all smart companies would know better.

Mac users may love having Windows compatibility as a Plan B, but they're NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS going to embrace these Windows based hacks wholeheartedly as a Plan A unless they are forced to.

And of course at LEAST 25-40% of the Mac market can't even use this program since they still have a PowerPC Mac of some kind.

Look, I would have preferred it if they had develloped picasa for mac from scratch as well, but it's still a great program. And the fact that a program that has been ported "on the cheap" is still way faster than iPhoto should give apple some food for thought.

[knightlie]

iPhoto locks up your photo library in a format no other non-apple program can get to. If you use images from say your camera in other places, you have to "export" them first for any other program to see them... how silly.

This is not true. All my iPhoto-managed pictures are right in the Pictures folder where I put them.


Picasa seems nice and fast but it doesn't look or feel like a Mac app... I think I'll stick with iPhoto for the time being.

The UI is awful. Plus it crashes each time I try to import a folder, so it's now in the trash. iPhoto might be a bit awkward, but at least it's a real Mac app and it works properly.

[Trip.Tucker]

<snip>

I guess there's my answer....emulated code. That's FAR WORSE than even Cider's method. You might as well just run Parallels or Fusion on your Intel Mac and run the full featured Windows version.


As for 'free', clearly what the guy meant is Apple isn't giving ANYTHING away for free. They simply figure the cost/value of the product and add it into the price of the machine they're selling. Simply put, if they didn't include it, the machine would cost less. So again, you aren't getting ANYTHING for free from Apple. <snip>.

1. WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator. Did you not read my post? It's not worse than Cider's method, they are the same approach. Running Parallels or Fusion is a different game again. You need to Google on emulation and read the FAQ at http://www.winehq.org

2. Free is free. No conspiracies, no wink-wink, no secret costs. Free. They don't factor in the cost of the software into the machine. So, you are, in fact, getting something free from Apple.

Maybe you're in the wrong forums? Windows is thattaway....--->

[fxstb2002]

I prefer the management style of iPhoto, once I understood it. I didn't like it at first. However, it works like I work. I am a recent switcher, and used Picasa on Windows previously.

I do prefer the RAW support in Picasa though, and would definately upgrade if iPhoto added this. Aperture is just not what I need though.

[chameleon81]

I used to love Picasa a lot when I was using Windows because it was fast very user friendly and offered free web-upload function.

After I switched Mac I started to use iPhoto.

I can do everything ( nearly everything ,exept collage ) with iPhoto and I'm able to use picasawebalbums.

So my question is why are you so excited with Picasa for Mac? Am I missing sth?

Cheers

[ipoddin]

How many GB do you have?


Have left? 10gb on my hard drive. Where does Picassa store the iPhoto images it's copying over on import? I do have a large iPhoto database but no way to stop the import now that it's started. Every time I restart Picassa it continues the import and crashes.

[GenNovE]

1. WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator. Did you not read my post? It's not worse than Cider's method, they are the same approach. Running Parallels or Fusion is a different game again. You need to Google on emulation and read the FAQ at http://www.winehq.org

2. Free is free. No conspiracies, no wink-wink, no secret costs. Free. They don't factor in the cost of the software into the machine. So, you are, in fact, getting something free from Apple.

Maybe you're in the wrong forums? Windows is thattaway....--->


I disagree with you.
Apple is not giving you nothing for free. Have you ever thought why Macs are more expensive then windows? If you think that apple does not wage in software and hardware cost then you are sadly mistaken.

I use to work for a software company that would sell you their software & 1 year of service for 1 year. Included in the 129.99 was a discounted cost on the software full application & the yearly serivce. But they never advertised their pricing completely they simply sold it as Buy oUR software get 1 year free.

There are a lot of internal business only practices that the end user never knows about. Yeah apple is saying ITS FREE with every purchase BUT TRUST ME THEY ARE CHARGING YOU-Not full price of course but @ a discount.

Plus you have to remember who your dealing with here. Apples head poncho jerked his own friend woz of an atari deal. He told his friend they got paid a certain amount and pocketed the rest.
It woulndt surprise me if such business practice is not applicable in this case. COMPANIES DO IT ALL THE TIME MOST OF US JUST DONT KNOW ABOUT IT.

Business 101 is that way...---------------------->>>>

[Cheffy Dave]

meanwhile i love how picasa manages the photo library over iphoto (which is horrid imo)

i hate iphoto like i hate the gators lol

GO GATORS:D

[Razeus]

2. Free is free. No conspiracies, no wink-wink, no secret costs. Free. They don't factor in the cost of the software into the machine. So, you are, in fact, getting something free from Apple.

Maybe you're in the wrong forums? Windows is thattaway....--->

I'm going to dismiss your statements on this subject. I see you clearly have no knack for business. Me, on the other hand, an accountant by profession and currently an MBA student, will tell you that the price is factor into the price of the Mac.

Wait until I until you this (make sure you're sitting first)....you're OS isn't free either. That cost has too been factor into your Mac's price. Along with your Core 2 Duo, Nvidia chip...

[cogsinister]

Oh, wow, it's running using Wine? I had no idea.

I run on wine as well...........

[lowbatteries]

The new iPhoto announcements made me delete the not-yet-installed version of Picasa I had downloaded this morning. Facial recognition was my a big selling point, but the GPS features are what I've been waiting for! I've been meticulously adding geotags to my photo from my GPS logger for quite a while.

Sorry Google, Apple was just half a day behind you ...

[tilman]

It is a normal mac application in the sense that you can just drag it to your apps folder and it works. However this does not mean it's not using wine technology.
I can't be 100% sure that it uses wine, but I am 99% sure, it hasn't changed any interface elements and but it looks exactly the same as picasa for linux which is definitely wine based. Also, google has put a lot of resources into improving wine with the exact purpose of making it support picasa 3.


Picasa for Mac is a native OSX application, and does not use Wine. Picasa for Linux is using Wine.

[chillywilly]

I will have to give this a try. I've used Piscasa on my Windows PC. We'll see how it works on the Mac.

[knightlie]

Picasa for Mac is a native OSX application, and does not use Wine. Picasa for Linux is using Wine.

It's UI controls are certainly not native.

[yotoad]

could i use iPhoto on my user account and my wife (another user on the same iMac) use Picasa for the same photos? she really enjoyed using picasa on our PC but hasn't touch iPhoto since we switched.

[doug in albq]

After checking out Picasa for a couple of hours I deleted it.

This is an app. geared for the consumer, not the pro, or even the prosumer. If you shoot in .jpg from your point and shoot camera you might be happy with this product.

There is no color management!

.jpg's looked OK in Picasa, any of my .RAW pictures darkened up in Picasa. I could even see it happening one picture at a time. After Picasa initially loaded my pictures I could see it, going from the top to the bottom, darkening up all my .nef and .dmg pictures. I am not sure why this happens and there is little support/information from Google about the app.

To be fair, I do not use iPhoto, so I cannot compare the two. I never like iPhoto either.

Photoshop/Bridge working fine for me

[Trip.Tucker]

I'm going to dismiss your statements on this subject. I see you clearly have no knack for business. Me, on the other hand, an accountant by profession and currently an MBA student, will tell you that the price is factor into the price of the Mac.

Wait until I until you this (make sure you're sitting first)....you're OS isn't free either. That cost has too been factor into your Mac's price. Along with your Core 2 Duo, Nvidia chip...

You've been told by several posters here and you have chosen to ignore the comments being made, so clearly you don't want to pay heed. What you say you do for a living is irrelevant and lends no weight to your statements. You cannot possibly know what I do in business so your statements on that count are also irrelevant.

You're new here and while your attitude has been brash and somewhat arrogant but I'm sure you'll get the hang of the forums soon. Just remember you're speaking to a wide audience from many walks of life and not a bunch of kiddies with a single topic focus.

[ASFx]

This is great news. I've never liked the way iphoto stores all my photos in a database file. I like to maintain the integrity of my folders.

[Bosunsfate]

Just installed Picasa. Not really exicited about it. I have over 5000 photos, and the way iPhoto is organized is much better for me.

If it is better for other people, great. That's why there isn't one thing for everyone.

This is great news. iPhoto is utter trash. Sure it works great out of the box, but Picasa is a much better management app than iPhoto. I can't stand the way iPhoto takes over my library and decides how wants to organize MY stuff. I organize my stuff by Year, then the Event. I don't organize by Event first. I see where Apple is going with their organization, but I personally like to go to the year the event took place FIRST, then go to the Event SECOND. Plus I didn't like the way iPhoto kept every copy of my edits. That's ridiculous. Picasa is a MUCH MUCH better tool. I use it in tandem with Photoshop Elements. I am going to miss the way Myspace and Facebook (with the Facebook tool) will directly upload my iPhoto "Albums" though. It's no biggie since I only upload a few choice pics. I also like how Picasa will move pics into new folders without having me go to "system level" to do it. HURRAY FOR GOOGLE AND PICASA 3!!!

I'm going to focus on your comment Razeus, because I find it interesting when people really make claims that are totally over stated. You can organize your Events in iPhoto by year, and finding things, even in years past takes all of one second. I've seen how Picasa does it, and the difference is negligible in my opinion.

I'm going to dismiss your statements on this subject. I see you clearly have no knack for business. Me, on the other hand, an accountant by profession and currently an MBA student, will tell you that the price is factor into the price of the Mac.

Wait until I until you this (make sure you're sitting first)....you're OS isn't free either. That cost has too been factor into your Mac's price. Along with your Core 2 Duo, Nvidia chip...

I work in the software world, and am more than an MBA student. I know how software revenue recognition works. I'll defend you to the point that when you buy a computer, and there is licensed software on it, that company has built in the license revenue in some form.

But you way very arrogant and don't really explain yourself well at all. Just because the licensable price is $79, doesn't mean that is the revenue Apple claims when a Mac is sold. You would have to get into the specifics of the accounting to know how they actually do that.

But lets assume that Apple has built in the "full price" for all of the licensable software you get when buying a Mac, then compare that with comparable PC purchases, you get a MUCH better value for the Mac. Anyway, don't mean to pick on the newbie too much. But calm and collected posts go much further than being overly brash and arrogant.

[Boxcar Edit]

We and some other businesses we know were hovering waiting to buy Filemaker 10 Server advanced assuming they'd finally expand their live connectivity feature (external sequel sources, or ESS) to include Postgres. ESS seems like a great feature and limiting it to Oracle and mySQL seems silly when there are already good ODBC hooks into Filemaker for other database types.

Reimporting data into Filemaker just to see a few updates and hitting synchronize buttons up to postgres can get old; it would have been great to use Filemaker as a true front-end to PostgreSQL for some of our purposes. Not trying to start a database debate here, but we love postgres for its web serving backend speed and data reliability and we wish FM would hurry up and expand their limited ESS compatibility list!

Has anyone else requested this of Filemaker powers that be?

[Vogue Harper]

Apple is not giving you nothing for free.

Double negative. So they are giving you something for free then?

[TimTheEnchanter]

What is google web drive?

Finally this story has some legs. Saw it on Digg! http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-41094-140-1-1.html

Credits MR, seems there's more to the story. :)