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Triangel7D
Jan 6, 2009, 12:47 PM
I wasn't very hopeful to begin with, but there were no new high-capacity iPods announced today (I was hoping against hope for a 240-250GB Classic).

Does anyone know if there are any upcoming events where Apple might announce new products? In other words, if I run out and get a 120GB Classic, will I get screwed when Apple announces a bigger one (or 64GB iPod Touch) in the next few months?



HiFiGuy528
Jan 6, 2009, 12:48 PM
I could have told you that. :)

Triangel7D
Jan 6, 2009, 01:02 PM
I could have told you that. :)

Should have listened to you back in Sept. Although my situation is much more desperate now since my 40GB 4G died in early December. Is the next predictable product announcement date September now?

Big Willie
Jan 6, 2009, 01:24 PM
Should have listened to you back in Sept. Although my situation is much more desperate now since my 40GB 4G died in early December. Is the next predictable product announcement date September now?

Refurb 160 gb for $249 (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FB150LL/A?mco=MjE0NTU0MQ)

EdBanger37
Jan 6, 2009, 02:48 PM
Uggg, i'm so dissapointed. I was hoping for at least a price cut on the current iTouch. More than likely I won't be able to get now until the end of June, and by then it'd be too soon to the update to even bother getting that and just waiting til' September..

:(

Triangel7D
Jan 6, 2009, 02:54 PM
On February 5, 2008, Apple quietly released new iPod Touches, despite after introducing the product in September 2007. Would they release more iPods this year at that time?

phairphan
Jan 6, 2009, 03:02 PM
I don't think you'll see much of a size increase for the iPod in the near term. Since Apple reduced the capacity of the Classic last fall, it seems pretty clear that they don't plan to reintroduce dual-platter models. You'll be limited to whatever single-platter increases the drive manufactures can come up with. Right now the largest single-platter drives are 120 GB. We probably won't see a single-platter drive exceed 160 GB soon. I'd pick up a refurb 160 GB.

Triangel7D
Jan 6, 2009, 03:27 PM
I don't think you'll see much of a size increase for the iPod in the near term. Since Apple reduced the capacity of the Classic last fall, it seems pretty clear that they don't plan to reintroduce dual-platter models. You'll be limited to whatever single-platter increases the drive manufactures can come up with. Right now the largest single-platter drives are 120 GB. We probably won't see a single-platter drive exceed 160 GB soon. I'd pick up a refurb 160 GB.

I think your reasoning sums it up. Although I have to get the 120GB since a) I'm addicted to Genius and b) I need it to record voice memos well, and it's an excuse to get the new in-ear headphones with mic.

But just in case, I'm buying it on sale from Best Buy (online, in-store pick-up), and holding onto it until early Feb. Am I crazy?

phairphan
Jan 6, 2009, 03:52 PM
I'd open it as soon as you get it. Hard drive manufacturers haven't even announced single-platter drives over 120 GB, much less reached a production point where it would be feasible for Apple to include them in iPods. I think the chance of seeing an iPod update before February with a capacity increase over 120 GB is effectively nil (and the chance of seeing -any- iPod updates before February isn't much better).

tsice19
Jan 6, 2009, 03:56 PM
Doesn't the iPod thing usually happen in September?

Triangel7D
Jan 7, 2009, 07:39 AM
I'd open it as soon as you get it. Hard drive manufacturers haven't even announced single-platter drives over 120 GB, much less reached a production point where it would be feasible for Apple to include them in iPods. I think the chance of seeing an iPod update before February with a capacity increase over 120 GB is effectively nil (and the chance of seeing -any- iPod updates before February isn't much better).

Phairphan -- Just want to pick your brain a little further as to why you think Apple has given up on dual-platter. Particularly this one:

http://gizmodo.com/5047611/toshibas-18+inch-120gb-and-240gb-drives-appear-uh-wheres-the-240gb-ipod

The reasoning back in the fall was that the 240GB was not in full production, so that's why it wasn't the second classic. But I also seem to recall reading something that Job's has a thing for "thin."

Bought the 120GB last night. Haven't opened it yet. I'm stalling by taking on a huge a project of using TuneUp to clean up my album art and metadata first (so Coverflow and Genius will work to full capacity).

sushi
Jan 7, 2009, 07:44 AM
Doesn't the iPod thing usually happen in September?
Generally, that is when Apple releases updates on their iPod line.

Nothing says that can't change, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

IMHO, the first update we will see is 32GB iPhone and 64GB iPod touch models released.

Holiday sales indicate that the iPod touch is the most popular version in the iPod line up. Plus it supports the app store. IMHO, this is where Apple will be focused on updates.

kevzy
Jan 7, 2009, 09:31 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we are to see a few minor updates over the coming weeks or months.

I remember that for a few Tuesdays after Macworld 2008 there were a number of small updates. I can't remember all of them but they included the pink iPod nano, the 2GB iPod shuffle and the 32GB iPod touch.

I definitely believe that we will see a 32GB iPhone and 64GB iPod touch before September 2009.

phairphan
Jan 7, 2009, 11:23 AM
Phairphan -- Just want to pick your brain a little further as to why you think Apple has given up on dual-platter. Particularly this one:

http://gizmodo.com/5047611/toshibas-18+inch-120gb-and-240gb-drives-appear-uh-wheres-the-240gb-ipod

The reasoning back in the fall was that the 240GB was not in full production, so that's why it wasn't the second classic. But I also seem to recall reading something that Job's has a thing for "thin."

Bought the 120GB last night. Haven't opened it yet. I'm stalling by taking on a huge a project of using TuneUp to clean up my album art and metadata first (so Coverflow and Genius will work to full capacity).


Because last fall, for the first time in iPod history, they -reduced- the capacity of an iPod line when they cut the 160 GB Classic. Previously they offered 80 GB and 160 GB (the dual-platter version) models. They cut the 160 and bumped 80 to 120, currently the largest single-platter drive available.

They cited poor sales as the reason for the elimination of the 160. While the market for the 160 outside of us music and video junkies probably isn't that large, my guess is the decision was also motivated by the desire to simplify the Classic production line and Apple's fanatical obsession with "thin." The dual-platter Classic (and the dual-platter models before it) are thicker and therefore require a different casing than the single-platter models. Having to support a second case size adds to production and support costs compared to having just one type of case. So if it wasn't selling well, Apple would rather have that money sitting in the bank.

In light of the reason given by Apple and my speculation for the elimination of the 160, the availability of a 240 GB drive doesn't change the situation: too much iPod for most consumers, a second case size to produce and support, and a "fat" iPod. Apple will probably keep up with size advances in single-platter models until availability and price of suitably large flash chips allows them to scrap the disk-based models entirely.

Triangel7D
Jan 7, 2009, 12:56 PM
Because last fall, for the first time in iPod history, they -reduced- the capacity of an iPod line when they cut the 160 GB Classic. Previously they offered 80 GB and 160 GB (the dual-platter version) models. They cut the 160 and bumped 80 to 120, currently the largest single-platter drive available.

They cited poor sales as the reason for the elimination of the 160. While the market for the 160 outside of us music and video junkies probably isn't that large, my guess is the decision was also motivated by the desire to simplify the Classic production line and Apple's fanatical obsession with "thin." The dual-platter Classic (and the dual-platter models before it) are thicker and therefore require a different casing than the single-platter models. Having to support a second case size adds to production and support costs compared to having just one type of case. So if it wasn't selling well, Apple would rather have that money sitting in the bank.

In light of the reason given by Apple and my speculation for the elimination of the 160, the availability of a 240 GB drive doesn't change the situation: too much iPod for most consumers, a second case size to produce and support, and a "fat" iPod. Apple will probably keep up with size advances in single-platter models until availability and price of suitably large flash chips allows them to scrap the disk-based models entirely.

I just rewatched the iPod Classic segment of the September Keynote. Jobs really is obsessed with "thin" and thinks everyone wanted the thin 80GB. So yeah, I think you might be right on the money with the new classic when single platters get bigger. Although Jobs did say "so that is the iPod Classic for the Christmas Season." Blarg, why can't Apple just tell you what's in the works?!?!?