Apple Announces iLife '09

[MacRumors]

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At MacWorld San Francisco today, Apple announced a major update to its iLife suite of applications (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06ilife.html). iLife '09 will be available by late January 2009. Upgrade costs are $79, with a family pack at $99. It is shipping on all new macs. Here's a quick breakdown of some of the standout features of the new apps:

iPhoto '09
Faces: Addition of facial recognition to events. Photos can be tagged to recognize faces, as in Facebook.
Places: Uses geotagging to find information about the latitude and longitude of a photo. This information can be supplied either by a newer camera with built-in gps capabilities, or manually by user input.
Slideshow Themes: Uses facial detection to properly position pictures in a slideshow. There's also support for Facebook and Flickr, with built-in geotagging.

iMovie '09
Dynamic Themes: Context-sensitive menus for clips, along with animated travel maps
Automatic Image Stabilization: Helps reduce motion in shaky video
Precision Editor: Video and audio
Advanced Drag and Drop: For placing video wherever you want it in the timeline
Video Effects: Brings back special effects to iMovie

GarageBand '09
Learn to Play: Teaches how to play an instrument with video instruction from professionals/celebrities. Nine basic lessons included, with additional downloads available at $4.99 each from within the app.

Since OS X 10.5.x is required to run the new iWork, Apple is also offering a package of OS X 10.5, iLife '09 and iWork '09 for $169. This "Mac Box Set" will ship in late January when iLife '09 ships.



Article Link: Apple Announces iLife '09 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/06/apple-announces-ilife-09/)

[akbc]

The Mac Box Set sounds like a great value.

I just hope they do the same with the Snow Leopard and iLife/iWork '09s :)

[wheezy]

I wish I had more uses for iWork, I'm not a heavy MSOffice user and I'm a big fan of iWork; Keynote just makes PPT look like a joke.

Why didn't they release a iWork/iLife combo pack for all of us already on Leopard?

[habubauza]

It's nice to see Apple still listening to it's customers.

[BruceEBonus]

The iMovie changes are enough for me to upgrade .. BUT my wife got a new Macobook 3 weeks ago ... no way am I paying to upgrade the full price from 08. I presume Apple will give a discount upgrade price? Anyone?

[tbrinkma]

Crap. I *just* bought iLife '08 because I got a new DSLR with a RAW format not supported in '06! Wouldn't be a big deal, but my wife is learning guitar, so the teaching feature is right up our alley at the moment.

[TDM21]

Nice, PowerPC is still supported. iMovie requires a G5 processor like '08 did, but that is probably hackable. Thank you Apple for giving me one more year of use out of my PowerBook.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/systemrequirements.html

[dwd3885]

so you walk into an apple store today or tomorrow and they are selling the EXACT SAME THINGS they were selling yesterday. WHAT A TERRIBLE MACWORLD

[slu]

Facebook recognizes people's faces?

I know you can manually tag people in photos, but that is it. Seems like iPhoto will automatically look for the same person in other photos in your libaray...which is not something Facebook can do, unless I am missing something.

Looks like a good update to me. I think I will spring for it for the GarageBand update alone, which is by far my most used iLife app.

[dalvin200]

got email confirmation that i should receive ilife by 6th feb :eek:

looking fwd to the updates anyway...

[MacSamurai]

I presume Apple will give a discount upgrade price? Anyone?

i hope so !!!:confused:

[slu]

The iMovie changes are enough for me to upgrade .. BUT my wife got a new Macobook 3 weeks ago ... no way am I paying to upgrade the full price from 08. I presume Apple will give a discount upgrade price? Anyone?

You would be wrong. It'll cost you $79 bucks or just get the family pack for $99.

[Tallest Skil]

Notice that iDVD had NOTHING done to it. NOTHING new. :confused:

[arkmannj]

iDVD '09 ?
a whopping $8.00 off for education price on iLife and iWork

and the matt screen only available on 17" ? and it costs 50.00 ?

yes I'm complaining.

[jaw04005]

So, like every year, I get both upgrades. However, since I already own Leopard should I get the two stand-alone iLife and iWork packages or spend the extra $11 and get the Mac Box Set?

I guess I could then sell my Leopard copy on eBay.

iDVD '09 ?

Macworld said it was updated along with iWeb, but they just didn't mention it.

[Mike Teezie]

I am most interested in the lessons. Apple has a chance to really hit one out of the park with this concept.

In addition to pop stars teaching you to play their songs, they should find a talented, non-famous teacher that you can buy generic lessons from.

That would be amazing.

[sterlingindigo]

Garage Band Lessons are sweet! Phil looks like he has lost weight though:D-I'm just sayin'...

[ziwi]

The boxed set is nice for those who do not have Leopard, but wouldn't a combo set of just iLife and iWork be nice too?

Lack of lower level updates is disappointing.

ilife updates look cool, but they continue to find ways to make you part with cash (garageband lessons).

iWork updates are OK - and the only interesting thing will now be a pay service.

Overall - a bit letdown.

[Spades]

The only downside I see is that I have to wait to get the new iLife.

[mkaake]

Apple never offers discount upgrade prices for iLife - according to their site (and the liveblog), $79 is the upgrade price, as all macs come with iLife to begin with.


Second, there were some minor changes to iWeb as well - it looks like you can finally update one site at a time, rather than having to update all of your sites. Not sure if it was there in '08, but there's built in FTP now too (I use Transmit, so I've never really checked in '08 for FTP). There's a few other changes too, but not much.

<edit> On a personal note, I think this is the first time that I've seen an update to iLife (been using it since the start) that I didn't feel the urge to run out and buy it *right now*. It would be nice to have a few of the features, but I'm not really clamoring for them either. Of course, on my G4 beast of an eMac, the features I'd be most curious in trying out wouldn't work anyway, so maybe that's part of it... (garageband lessons and the new iMovie - this one looks like it might not suck!)

[dalvin200]

Notice that iDVD had NOTHING done to it. NOTHING new. :confused:

yeah, that is strange.. you would of thought they would add some new themes or something at least...

maybe they think dvd is phasing itself out? i haven't created a dvd in a years or so... so not really bothered about that

[Saladinos]

iWeb has been updated, iDVD is the same as before.

Only iLife 09 requires Leopard. iWork 09 will work on OSX 10.4.11.

[cxny]

A little underwhelmed, no wonder Steve took the day off. Still, I'll watch it tonight, the demos are actually quite good tutorials.

[thefamousgrouse]

Didn't notice any mention of easier AVCHD editing with iMovie, except for one somewhat confusing mention of AVCHD archiving in the 'new features' section on Apple.com. Anyone else hear/see anything that would give hope to AVCHD users not wanting to 'import' their video ag 8x - 10x the size of the original?

[theBigD23]

iLife requires an Intel processor. Anyone else think that Snow Leopard will support PPC? This looks like it will be with almost 100% certainty that it will not.

[Rojo]

The iLife updates are nice additions, I guess...just not sure if they're ENOUGH to want me to upgrade at $79.
If there had been ANY update at all to iWeb (seriously -- will this program EVER advance above what it is now??), I would probably get this. As it is, the only useful thing for me is Flickr/Facebook integration. And while that's nice, I think I'll keep my eighty bucks.

iWeb has been updated

Where do you see that?

[ChrisA]

The Mac Box Set sounds like a great value.

I just hope they do the same with the Snow Leopard and iLife/iWork '09s :)

Great value for who? I'd think most people by now who wanted Leopard would have already upgraded and anyone who bought a Mac recently would not need it. I think the market forthis is small.

What it says to me is that you NEED leopard to use the new iLife/iWork 09 software. I bet this is the reason for the bundle. Thios still on Tiger will need to upgrade to Apple is making is easier for them

[riversky]

No mention of Snow Leopard.

This assures us it won't come out until after the WWDC in June!

[mattraehl]

Facial recognition/autotagging + Facebook integration = EPIC WIN

I would pay $79 to upgrade for this feature alone. Yummy! :D

[wschutz]

Great...

I just bought a MBP on the 23th, Dec which was delivered on the 24th, Dec... but I have had to return it for a replacement (the charger was making a strange sound, and the screen was leaking light when completely dark) on the 30th, Dec... and I'm getting the replacement on the 8th, Jan (that's this thursday).

And Apple says that to be able to be elegible for iLife '09 I have to buy the computer (which I can return at no cost for me) today....
I'm calling Apple tomorrow (today is holiday in Spain) and have a talk... and discuss what it's more profitable for them... return the MBP which I have yet to receive (and that's some money for Apple) and wait for them to refund the money and then buy it again (and again... more shipping costs for Apple as well as credit card's costs) or that I pay the 9 euros for iLife's P&P...
Will see :)

[pohl]

so you walk into an apple store today or tomorrow and they are selling the EXACT SAME THINGS they were selling yesterday. WHAT A TERRIBLE MACWORLD

That's only true if 'exact' no longer means "not approximated in any way", or "accurate and correct in all details".

[tgynther]

Hopefully iMovie doesn't use single-field processing anymore. It was total turnoff for HD video with iMovie '08 (HD footage is processed internally at 960-by-540 pixels at most)

[Stella]

iPhoto, iMovie and GB updates look good.

However, iWeb is still pretty limited and lame, with no way to create your own templates etc.

[ChrisA]

The iLife updates are nice additions, I guess...just not sure if they're ENOUGH to want me to upgrade at $79.

If the there is real content in the artist lessens in GB then it is worth $79. But if it is just "fluff" then no. Actual I'd buy iLife just for the ability to tag my photos to people's names. If there is a way that I can use iPhoto's face recognition to tag my Aperture library then I'll buy it. I have many thousands of photos that were scanned from film that I have yet to tag. I'll be hapy to pay $79 if it will save me 100 hours of work.

[jaw04005]

Where do you see that?

It's on Apple's Web site, http://www.apple.com/ilife/

[pohl]

iLife requires an Intel processor. Anyone else think that Snow Leopard will support PPC? This looks like it will be with almost 100% certainty that it will not.

From http://www.apple.com/ilife/systemrequirements.html ...


iLife ’09 System Requirements

Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
iMovie requires an Intel-based Mac, Power Mac G5 (dual 2.0GHz or faster), or iMac G5 (1.9GHz or faster).

[slu]

Extremely disappointing. Apple has lost touch with its customers.

I plan on buying a PC and installing Linux, where everything is driven by what I and other users want, and not by a company with a no longer justifiable large ego.

Sheesh people, CALM DOWN. I still think the mini and iMac will be upgraded soon and Apple can't be all things to all people and still maximize profits. Remember Apple has no one to answer to but their shareholders.

If you think you can find anything as remotely as good as iLife on Linux, then more power to you. If Apple does not fit your needs then don't use their products and have fun with your PC.

One more question: Do you just complain on anonymous forums or do you ever send feedback to Apple? If you don't ever send them feedback, your voice will never be heard. I send Apple feedback when I am not happy about something. If enough people ask for a feature or complain about something, there is a good chance it will be fixed or changed.

[mozadek]

Too bad iPhoto still doesn't have coverflow browsing.

[chameleon81]

Multiple websites and built in FTP client. Sweet !



Is it 79 to upgrade from iLife08 ( I bought my macbook 2 months ago )

[macthetiger85]

The iMovie changes are enough for me to upgrade .. BUT my wife got a new Macobook 3 weeks ago ... no way am I paying to upgrade the full price from 08. I presume Apple will give a discount upgrade price? Anyone?
http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

[qwerty2k]

is there any difference between ilife normal and family pack other than apple graciously allowing me to install it on more than 1 pc? ie, is it only my moral conscience that stops me from buying non family pack and installing it on more than 1 mac?

[sp44]

Crap I have a Macbook arriving tomorrow and now have to pay $79 to upgrade iLife. This sucks.

[msb65]

Sheesh people, CALM DOWN. I still think the mini and iMac will be upgraded soon and Apple can't be all things to all people and still maximize profits. Remember Apple has no one to answer to but their shareholders.

If you think you can find anything as remotely as good as iLife on Linux, then more power to you. If Apple does not fit your needs then, have don't use their products and have fun with your PC.

One more question: Do you just complain on anonymous forums or do you ever send feedback to Apple? If you don't ever send them feedback, your voice will never be heard. I send Apple feedback when I am not happy about something. If enough people ask for a feature or complain about something, there is a good chance it will be fixed or changed.

Where is the best place to send feedback? I have heard of people actually emailing SJ. What is his email?

FYI I love Apple products. However I don't think people want cutesie **** right now. If I am paying money I want innovation, not a drum lesson from Neil Peart. Go to the library and rent one of his movies for free.

[slu]

is there any difference between ilife normal and family pack other than apple graciously allowing me to install it on more than 1 pc? ie, is it only my moral conscience that stops me from buying non family pack and installing it on more than 1 mac?

That is all it is. Only your conscience prevents that.

[Sky Blue]

is there any difference between ilife normal and family pack other than apple graciously allowing me to install it on more than 1 pc? ie, is it only my moral conscience that stops me from buying non family pack and installing it on more than 1 mac?

Nope

[Deefuzz]

I was going to easily pass on the iLife update, but then I got to the Garageband lessons part, now it seems hard to say no to :(

EDIT: Nevermind, only 2 instruments to choose from. A little easier to pass on.

[qwerty2k]

i hate having a conscience and paying extra for stuff :(

[slu]

Where is the best place to send feedback? I have heard of people actually emailing SJ. What is his email?

FYI I love Apple products. However I don't think people want cutesie **** right now. If I am paying money I want innovation, not a drum lesson from Neil Peart. Go to the library and rent one of his movies for free.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

And if you don't like the updates to iLife, don't buy it. You are not forced to so you are not paying any money for anything. Innovative or not.

[wschutz]

Crap I have a Macbook arriving tomorrow and now have to pay $79 to upgrade iLife. This sucks.

Welcome :) We are on the same boat ;) (Read #35 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6881652&postcount=35))

[jaw04005]

Heh. You can get iLife 09, iWork 09 and 10.5 Leopard for 5 Macs of your choice for the same price of a single-license of Vista Premium ($229). :D

[wordmunger]

Crap I have a Macbook arriving tomorrow and now have to pay $79 to upgrade iLife. This sucks.

You bought a macbook to arrive the DAY AFTER the keynote and now you're surprised something new was announced at MWSF?

Did you order a John McCain T-shirt on November 3, too?

[linuxophile]

Extremely disappointing. Apple has lost touch with its customers.

I plan on buying a PC and installing Linux, where everything is driven by what I and other users want, and not by a company with a no longer justifiable large ego.

That's right; they just lost me. I won't wait for a mini or a netbook. For 400$ I get a PC with 4gb, 1Tb hd and core 2. Install kubuntu or knoppix.
For another 400 I get a eee (if I only find a reseller!)

Anyway, my experience with Apple hardware has been less than memorable (so far none of the machines lasted more than 3yrs).

[freeny]

The iLife updates are nice additions, I guess...just not sure if they're ENOUGH to want me to upgrade at $79.
If there had been ANY update at all to iWeb (seriously -- will this program EVER advance above what it is now??), I would probably get this. As it is, the only useful thing for me is Flickr/Facebook integration. And while that's nice, I think I'll keep my eighty bucks.



Where do you see that?

http://www.apple.com/ilife/iweb/

added widgets and a few other bells, little different interface but basically the same app.
I too was hoping for more in iWeb. Great app but navigating through a site built in iWeb uses waaaaaaay too much bandwidth...
my website built in Flash uses only 25% of the bandwidth that the same site built in iWeb used.

[GregE]

The iLife Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchased a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after January 6, 2009 for a shipping and handling fee of $9.95 (US).

That's just not right. My MacBook Pro is not even 2 weeks old. Had I known this was coming, I could have waited 2 weeks to order it. They should go back 30 or 60 days to cover recent purchases. That would be no big deal to them. I don't mind paying the $9.95 to cover shipping.

Come on Apple. You can do better than that.

[herocero]

that's the sound of:
a) a horrible "one more thing"
b) tony bennet closing out the keynote.

no mini? no iMac? no Mac pro? no snow leopard? i thought this was supposed to be about MACS?

[rick3000]

Everyone needs to go check out the new iWeb. Being able to publish to different web addressed was at the top of my list and they listened. The new iLife looks great, I hope they release Snow Leopard soon, so I can get iLife and SL with a new 17" MBP.

I wonder if iPhoto faces works on animals, I have a lot of pictures of my dog and cat?

To the above poster, I think today means they will be holding a SL and hardware event in the next few weeks/months.

[SONET]

I want to 'switch'. I want to run all Apple gear in my business. But as it stands, none of Apple's desktop offerings are a reasonable value (choices: outdated iMac or prohibitively expensive Mac Pro).

I have been waiting almost three months for Apple to announce a new iMac today or at least update the hardware in some way. A small part of me was hoping for a 'consumer level' mini tower, but I knew that was out of the question. An iMac update seemed like a sure thing. I was so sure it was going to happen that I even transferred all the necessary funds to my debit account to order all the new gear today.

I am in shock.

Thanks for the new software offerings, Apple. I guess I'll have to build hackintoshes to run it.

--SONET

[sp44]

You bought a macbook to arrive the DAY AFTER the keynote and now you're surprised something new was announced at MWSF?

Did you order a John McCain T-shirt on November 3, too?

I ordered it because it was a good deal that only lasted half the day.

[Deefuzz]

FYI I love Apple products. However I don't think people want cutesie **** right now. If I am paying money I want innovation, not a drum lesson from Neil Peart. Go to the library and rent one of his movies for free.

Don't worry, you won't be getting any drum lessons. Only guitar and piano are available according to the website.

[bankshot]

<edit> On a personal note, I think this is the first time that I've seen an update to iLife (been using it since the start) that I didn't feel the urge to run out and buy it *right now*.

Hmm, I felt that way about iLife '08. It may be the only version that I didn't buy separately from getting a new computer.

This, on the other hand, seems like a worthwhile upgrade with the new Faces and Places features in iPhoto. Just the other day I started the arduous task of going through my thousands of photos and tagging them with names of all the people in them. I think I'll hold off now until I can get a copy of '09.

Hopefully the places feature will allow you to tag individual photos with lat/lon (since none of my cameras have GPS). It's unclear from the Macworld (magazine) keynote article (http://www.macworld.com/article/137730/2009/01/expo_live.html) whether it will let you do that - the article only talks about events:
You can assign a location to existing events by just typing in where you went (integration with Google Maps).
Ahh, but Apple's page (http://www.apple.com/ilife/iphoto/#places) seems to suggest individual photos:
Add locations to your photos by typing the name of a place, entering an address, or dropping a pin on a map.
Cool.

Facebook integration will be nice for the wife, but I'm too old for that stuff. :p

[NoSmokingBandit]

Im sad about GB 09. All they did was add lessons. Free lessons can be found anywhere on the internet, i was hoping for an actual upgrade to the software itself.

[MacBoobsPro]

I'm quite... no... very disappointed at the iLife upgrade. Nothing really new, just a few bits of candy really. I was hoping iWeb would get a big update with some cool features.

I never get my hopes up with these kind of things as I know that all the hype distorts everything and we always seem underwhelmed but to be honest this one was pretty lame. :(

All I wanted was a good update to iLife and a new MacPro. I won't be buying iLife because its not worth the effort of buying it never mind the price. It's a shame because I have the moolah ready for it right here.

I guess I'll go spend it on hookers and booze.. oh wait... forget the booze.

The choice of songs (The best is yet to come and I left my heart in San Francisco) and lack of SJ seems point to something in the near future. Maybe a special event in San Fran.

[oliverlubin]

The default GarageBand teacher is Tim Blane (http://www.timblane.com). Awesome artist.

iTunes Link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist?id=72986490)

[slu]

that's the sound of:
a) a horrible "one more thing"
b) tony bennet closing out the keynote.

no mini? no iMac? no Mac pro? no snow leopard? i thought this was supposed to be about MACS?

So you don't think iLife, iWork, and MacBook Pro announcements are about Macs?

You may not like the announcements and you may not see any value in them, but to say they were not about Macs is just plain stupid.

[Rojo]

http://www.apple.com/ilife/iweb/

added widgets and a few other bells, little different interface but basically the same app.
I too was hoping for more in iWeb. Great app but navigating through a site built in iWeb uses waaaaaaay too much bandwidth...
my website built in Flash uses only 25% of the bandwidth that the same site built in iWeb used.

Yeah, just looked over the iWeb page -- and I barely see any differences. At least any MAJOR differences. iWeb needs a big overhaul like they did with iMovie (though hopefully for the better, unlike iMovie 08 which made some things worse). You're right -- iWeb sites seem bloated and can take too long to load compared to other sites. Plus, iWeb needs a LOT more functionality to be at all useful. It's shocking to me that it doesn't even have basic stuff like forms or menus. I'm not even asking for super-advanced stuff here, just a few more ways to make your iWeb site a little more interesting. I can't believe it will be at least another year until Apple MAYBE adds more functionality to it. By that time, your average website will be lightyears ahead of anything iWeb can do, making iWeb pages look like something from the Dark Ages. It's a real shame...

[MacSamurai]

i see how it says basic lessons...i wonder if they'll make advance lessons available sometime soon

[swissmann]

Where are all the iWeb enhancements?

I was really hoping for a major update with iWeb that would integrate with MobileMe.

Among other things lets just throw out the idea of having a webform that could be created in iWeb for emailing (PHP) or gathering data (SQL). Integration with Filemaker would be great as well.

[msb65]

That's right; they just lost me. I won't wait for a mini or a netbook. For 400$ I get a PC with 4gb, 1Tb hd and core 2. Install kubuntu or knoppix.
For another 400 I get a eee (if I only find a reseller!)

Anyway, my experience with Apple hardware has been less than memorable (so far none of the machines lasted more than 3yrs).

Yes I agree. I would like to support Apple because I used to love their products. However, they are not giving me what I want.

Linux on the other hand is not static, and is constantly improving. I will gladly sacrifice expensive music lessons (that won't make you any better), face recognition, batteries that can't be replaced, etc for a computer that get's **** done. And with all the money I save I'll buy a new drumset and practice it in real life. At the end of the day I will have gotten **** done and will be out drumming getting chics while you all are getting aroused by an $1800 17 inch waste of money.

[Robjw]

$79 or £69. Ouch.

[Old Muley]

I'm hoping the updated version of iMovie is an improvement over the last one ('08). My wife just bought a new video camera that only outputs in AVCHD, which doesn't play nice with iMovie '06 on my G5 desktop. Of course I'm still going to have to update to an Intel mac at some point...

[B. Hunter]

iWeb has been updated, iDVD is the same as before.

Only iLife 09 requires Leopard. iWork 09 will work on OSX 10.4.11.

Geez I just went to the Apple site. Very small updates to iWeb. And yes there is nothing new about iDVD from what I could tell.

Ok there is more. FTP for iWeb. About time.
And it has more widgets.

[slu]

Yes I agree. I would like to support Apple because I used to love their products. However, they are not giving me what I want.

Linux on the other hand is not static, and is constantly improving. I will gladly sacrifice expensive music lessons (that won't make you any better), face recognition, batteries that can't be replaced, etc for a computer that get's **** done. And with all the money I save I'll buy a new drumset and practice it in real life. At the end of the day I will have gotten **** done and will be out drumming getting chics while you all are getting aroused by an $1800 17 inch waste of money.

I hate to keep picking on you, but your posts makes no sense to me.

What exactly can't you get done with the current Apple products that you could have gotten done with the Apple products you "used to love"?

Again, I am not saying you have to like the updates or even be happy about them, but you keep saying the same stuff with no real details.

So my question to you is what real "stuff" can't you get done on a Mac that you can do on a Linux box?

And if your answer is going to be a something about no Mac mini upgrade or iMac upgrade or a mini-tower or no netbook, you still have not answered the question, which is, again, what stuff can't you get done?

[Mac Dummy]

I'm too shocked by the lack of a new Mac mini or iMac to post.

Me too, I would have thought this would have been a gimme, maybe later in the year.

[swissmann]

No new iDVD would make me think that Apple is even further away from supporting Blu-Ray than I did before the keynote.

I was hoping that something about snow leopard would be mentioned that proved blu-ray support would added at that point. It would make sense that iDVD would also get an upgrade with it to allow burning to Blu-Ray discs.

I want a 1080p option!

[mogzieee]

$79 or £69. Ouch.

I just ordered iLife '09 with my education discount. It was £37.38 in total:

£30.00 (Item)
£4.88 (VAT)
£2.50 (Shipping)

Edit: Although remember, since it's going to ship in late January:

We estimate that your order will be dispatched by post on or before 02 Feb, 2009.
We expect your order will arrive by post to your shipping address on or before 05 Feb, 2009.

[Robjw]

I just ordered iLife '09 with my education discount. It was £37.38 in total:

£30.00 (Item)
£4.88 (VAT)
£2.50 (Shipping)

Shows as £58.65 if I choose the school option. :confused: I can't choose FE/HE as I'm not on a campus network (and I'm not eligible either!)

[gnortenjones]

I have to wonder if this is the reason Apple is bowing out of Macworld. It's kind of obvious that they really didn't have much ready to announce this time around, which is the downside to being forced onto a convention's schedule to announce new products. What if your products just aren't ready?

I'm kind of surprised about the complaining about the Mini. I'd have figured that on a Mac based message board, most of the people posting would have gone for a higher level product than a mini. Guys, I have a sneaking suspicion that the mini is a dead end product. It's kind of obvious that Apple isn't interested in supporting it.

I'm not too disappointed by the announcements, but then I'm not in the market for a new device. Having treated myself to an iPhone for Christmas, I'm actually kind of glad they didn't announce anything new for it. :)

[FoxHoundADAM]

I want to 'switch'. I want to run all Apple gear in my business. But as it stands, none of Apple's desktop offerings are a reasonable value (choices: outdated iMac or prohibitively expensive Mac Pro).

I have been waiting almost three months for Apple to announce a new iMac today or at least update the hardware in some way. A small part of me was hoping for a 'consumer level' mini tower, but I knew that was out of the question. An iMac update seemed like a sure thing. I was so sure it was going to happen that I even transferred all the necessary funds to my debit account to order all the new gear today.

I am in shock.

Thanks for the new software offerings, Apple. I guess I'll have to build hackintoshes to run it.

--SONETI was in pretty much the same boat. Was going to make the switch, saved for months, and my wife and I didn't even get Christmas girfts for each other as a new Mac was going to be our present to each other. Now I need to decide if I just just say f it and buy another PC or wait....and frankly I'm tired of waiting.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I have to wonder if this is the reason Apple is bowing out of Macworld. It's kind of obvious that they really didn't have much ready to announce this time around, which is the downside to being forced onto a convention's schedule to announce new products. What if your products just aren't ready?

I'm kind of surprised about the complaining about the Mini. I'd have figured that on a Mac based message board, most of the people posting would have gone for a higher level product than a mini. Guys, I have a sneaking suspicion that the mini is a dead end product. It's kind of obvious that Apple isn't interested in supporting it.

I'm not too disappointed by the announcements, but then I'm not in the market for a new device. Having treated myself to an iPhone for Christmas, I'm actually kind of glad they didn't announce anything new for it. :)Well franly most of us have no need for a Mac Pro and really $2,800 for a laptop is a lot no matter how much you use it. Dead end product or not it's pretty clear Apple has a market they are doing little to satisfy, which means there are lots of dollars they aren't getting as a result.

[illegallydead]

That's just not right. My MacBook Pro is not even 2 weeks old. Had I known this was coming, I could have waited 2 weeks to order it. They should go back 30 or 60 days to cover recent purchases. That would be no big deal to them. I don't mind paying the $9.95 to cover shipping.

Come on Apple. You can do better than that.

Dude, you are listed as a MacRumors "Regular". Meaning you have been with the site for a while. Meaning that you should know that there is the posibility that things will be upgraded at MWSF, and that you are crazyto buy anything shortly before that (either because you will get a free upgrade to '09 with your purchase of new hardware, not to mention there could have been new or newish hardware that would either be something that you would bitch about not getting, or would further drop the price of that MBP you got if they were updated (althoug they obviously were JUST updated).

Long story short: stop bitching about lack of "Price Protection" or "they should give me a free upgrade"l you bought it when you did, get over it. Welcome to the world of technology. Things change fast, and you are naive if you think that something you buy today won't be obsolete within a few weeks (especially if you have the resources to see that the change is potentially coming)

[yetanotherdave]

$79 or £69. Ouch.


Wow, 08 was £55?
I'll wait for a new mac or ebay it from a US seller...
I wonder how iphoto facial recognition will cope with my two, very similar, and obviously growing, kids

[Shiner]

I was in pretty much the same boat. Was going to make the switch, saved for months, and my wife and I didn't even get Christmas girfts for each other as a new Mac was going to be our present to each other. Now I need to decide if I just just say f it and buy another PC or wait....and frankly I'm tired of waiting.

I was on the fence with both of you. Here is my advice. Do not wait. Go buy a nice PC desktop or build it yourself. Save some money and get a bigger faster machine. If you need a laptop pick up a sony vaio. They have some great machines on the market for much less than apple. Really the only reason I stick with apple is their software and today is was just fluff. I like what I have but apple needs to try something different or some people are simply going to move away. Like a previous poster said my current software from apple is fine there is really no need to upgrade to this new hello kitty software.

[AtHomeBoy_2000]

Did I miss it? Is there STILL no customizable DVD chapters in iMovie?

[mogzieee]

Shows as £58.65 if I choose the school option. :confused: I can't choose FE/HE as I'm not on a campus network (and I'm not eligible either!)

Hmmm, strange. I remember seeing that figure somewhere else too. I was trying to find a link but couldn't see the new iLife in the UK education store, and so I opened up one of those chat windows with someone who sent me a link to a £30< page....

What was also strange was that they didn't ask me for identity of my school or anything, maybe they just match it up with my bank details or something? Strange...

[linuxophile]

I hate to keep picking on you, but your posts makes no sense to me.

What exactly can't you get done with the current Apple products that you could have gotten done with the Apple products you "used to love"?

Again, I am not saying you have to like the updates or even be happy about them, but you keep saying the same stuff with no real details.

So my question to you is what real "stuff" can't you get done on a Mac that you can do on a Linux box?

And if your answer is going to be a something about no Mac mini upgrade or iMac upgrade or a mini-tower or no netbook, you still have not answered the question, which is, again, what stuff can't you get done?

Well, "what you can do with Apple products?" merely boils down to: "What you can do with OSX". It is not hardware, it is purely software. And the answer is -of course- that OSX can do anything that a Linux box can do and then some. It is simply an issue of price: a linux (windows) box with similar specs costs half.

I love OSX and iLife, but the hardware side of "Apple products" is lagging in terms of the ratio power/price.
The Mini is the most blatant example.

Another example: why there is still no tablet? It would seem to me such a perfect fit for Apple. Your options lie in HP or Samsung.

Another example: why they pulled firewire from macbooks? Now I can't buy one since my camcorder uses a firewire!

[Mac Dummy]

I have to wonder if this is the reason Apple is bowing out of Macworld. It's kind of obvious that they really didn't have much ready to announce this time around, which is the downside to being forced onto a convention's schedule to announce new products. What if your products just aren't ready?

I'm kind of surprised about the complaining about the Mini. I'd have figured that on a Mac based message board, most of the people posting would have gone for a higher level product than a mini. Guys, I have a sneaking suspicion that the mini is a dead end product. It's kind of obvious that Apple isn't interested in supporting it.

I'm not too disappointed by the announcements, but then I'm not in the market for a new device. Having treated myself to an iPhone for Christmas, I'm actually kind of glad they didn't announce anything new for it. :)

I was kinda hoping to put a new Mac Mini in my home theater setup and hook it up to my new Elgato EyeTV 250 Plus TV tuner and record live TV with it, beats having to set my Macbook on the floor because I can't cram it into my entertainment center along with my new 40 " HDTV.

[sickmacdoc]

I'm hoping the updated version of iMovie is an improvement over the last one ('08). My wife just bought a new video camera that only outputs in AVCHD, which doesn't play nice with iMovie '06 on my G5 desktop. Of course I'm still going to have to update to an Intel mac at some point...

Keep in mind one thing I noted on the iLife 09 page- AVCHD can only be dealt with using an Intel based Mac with a Core 2 Duo processor or better, so your G5 will still do iMovie, but not AVCHD footage.

[gnortenjones]

Well franly most of us have no need for a Mac Pro and really $2,800 for a laptop is a lot no matter how much you use it. Dead end product or not it's pretty clear Apple has a market they are doing little to satisfy, which means there are lots of dollars they aren't getting as a result.

But there are less expensive offerings than the pro line. This isn't a case of "spend $3000 or nothing." I'm just surprised by how vocal the complaining is for a lack of a $400 barebones option.

As far as the market is concerned, I agree with you about it's a market Apple isn't really going for. I'm not sure if it's because of Jobs obvious disdain for cheap computers, or , more likely, the fact that a fully updated mini would probably canibalize some of the imacs sales.

[MakGeek]

Anyone find out how much additional lessons are going to cost?

[B1gMac]

Is iCal not even in iLife anymore?

[gnortenjones]

I was kinda hoping to put a new Mac Mini in my home theater setup and hook it up to my new Elgato EyeTV 250 Plus TV tuner and record live TV with it, beats having to set my Macbook on the floor because I can't cram it into my entertainment center along with my new 40 " HDTV.

Will the current Mini not do that? Seriously, I'm curious. It seems like an entertainment center is the perfect use for a mini, but I'm not sure if there are hardware limitations that would stop the current mini from serving that purpose.

[FreeState]

Is iCal not even in iLife anymore?

Its part of OSX.

[Chandler Adaway]

I'm excited for the new products!

[OPsDad]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

[FreeState]

Anyone find out how much additional lessons are going to cost?

From the article your posting on:

"GarageBand '09
- Learn to Play: Teaches how to play an instrument with video instruction from professionals/celebrities. Nine basic lessons included, with additional downloads available at $4.99 each from within the app."

[Stella]

Is iCal not even in iLife anymore?

iCal never was.. its apart of OSX.

[jayeskreezy]

I am most interested in the lessons. Apple has a chance to really hit one out of the park with this concept.

In addition to pop stars teaching you to play their songs, they should find a talented, non-famous teacher that you can buy generic lessons from.

That would be amazing.

I too am excited about these lessons....I'd love to learn piano.

[mobilehavoc]

Got iLife '09 pre-ordered for $70 with tax/shipping so why not. Mainly excited about iMovie and iPhoto...never use the other junk.

[arkitect]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft.

iLife/iWork '08 suddenly stopped working? :eek:
Boy… bad Apple.
:rolleyes:

[blackmondo]

I'm amazed at the negativity expressed here. After watching the Faces demo on the iPhoto page at Apple.com, I'm absolutely blown away by this feature, and it goes FAR beyond extra "eye-candy" as one person put it.

I am going to save a TON of time not having to manually tag people in photos in facebook, and not having to leave iPhoto to manage these albums is even better. I also use flickr as well so the Flickr integration is even better again!

How can anyone say "I thought this event was about Macs??" - features like this in iPhoto would absolutely bring the masses who use facebook across to the Mac in my opinion.

I wonder what people are thinking of Google's new (very average looking) Picasa Mac client after the keynote?

I'm sure updates to the Mac Mini / iMac etc are still coming...

[Sky Blue]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

Call Apple and tell them your iLife and iWork has suddenly stopped working and you can't use it anymore.

[Chandler Adaway]

I just bought a Macbook on the referb list (in fact, it's still in transit) and I called Apple to see if I could still qualify for the $9.95 update disk and they negotiated with me and said they could give me return labels and return it and then re order it and qualify for the disk, but the lady could not verify if they would have to wait for another Macbook like mine to come in stock again (which took forever the first go-around) so I just denied it.

But they were VERY polite with me, so it's okay.
I can't say I expected it to be a happy ending when I called.

Still kind of sucks though.

It was funny though, I called as soon as the keynote was over and the lady had no clue what I was talking about at first, and she was a specialist. She didn't know anything about the new products out, which is understandable.
You would think that they would be informed. :p

[alphaod]

Phil looks like he has lost weight though:D-I'm just sayin'...

Think he's dying too?

Oh, that's no joking matter.

[wankey]

Yes I agree. I would like to support Apple because I used to love their products. However, they are not giving me what I want.

Linux on the other hand is not static, and is constantly improving. I will gladly sacrifice expensive music lessons (that won't make you any better), face recognition, batteries that can't be replaced, etc for a computer that get's **** done. And with all the money I save I'll buy a new drumset and practice it in real life. At the end of the day I will have gotten **** done and will be out drumming getting chics while you all are getting aroused by an $1800 17 inch waste of money.

You mean $2800..

Wow... for that amount of money I can
a) pay for half my university tuition
b) buy a second hand car
c) buy a **** load of new clothes
d) Go on a hugely expensive wasteful vacation with my gf
e) Buy massive amount of stuff for my gf
f) refurnish my room
g) spend half of it buying an equally good computer... and the other half on buying an equally good computer for my gf
h) not have to worry about rent for the next 7 months

Or I can get a laptop without a removable battery, pay extra for the matte screen. Gee, lemme think.

[alphaod]

Got iLife '09 pre-ordered for $70 with tax/shipping so why not. Mainly excited about iMovie and iPhoto...never use the other junk.

I'm waiting for the release, so hopefully they will let me upgrade for the discounted price.

[Eidorian]

You mean $2800..

Wow... for that amount of money I can
a) pay for half my university tuition
b) buy a second hand car
c) buy a **** load of new clothes
d) Go on a hugely expensive wasteful vacation with my gf
e) Buy massive amount of stuff for my gf
f) refurnish my room
g) spend half of it buying an equally good computer... and the other half on buying an equally good computer for my gf
h) not have to worry about rent for the next 7 months

Or I can get a laptop without a removable battery, pay extra for the matte screen. Gee, lemme think.I see you have your priorities straight.

[alphaod]

You mean $2800..

Wow... for that amount of money I can
a) pay for half my university tuition


Wow $2800 for half your tuition? I wish I only had to pay much. :(

That's like 1/20 of mine! :mad:

And like Eidorian said, good job on that order.

[sanPietro98]

I'm too shocked by the lack of a new Mac mini or iMac to post.

But you just posted.

[OPsDad]

Call Apple and tell them your iLife and iWork has suddenly stopped working and you can't use it anymore.

It hasn't quit working. But it is OBSOLETE, as I mentioned.
I guess the point of these posts is that the software I bought still works, so I'm unreasonable to complain.
I guess the service I got from Microsoft left me with expectations that are unreasonable on Planet Mac.
My Bad.

[msb65]

You mean $2800..

Wow... for that amount of money I can
a) pay for half my university tuition
b) buy a second hand car
c) buy a **** load of new clothes
d) Go on a hugely expensive wasteful vacation with my gf
e) Buy massive amount of stuff for my gf
f) refurnish my room
g) spend half of it buying an equally good computer... and the other half on buying an equally good computer for my gf
h) not have to worry about rent for the next 7 months

Or I can get a laptop without a removable battery, pay extra for the matte screen. Gee, lemme think.

yeah sorry $2800. Oh and if you want a faster processor and 8GB of memory it's >$4000! Wowza.

[killerwhack]

I ordered it already.

[kironin]

Yeah, just looked over the iWeb page -- and I barely see any differences. At least any MAJOR differences. iWeb needs a big overhaul like they did with iMovie (though hopefully for the better, unlike iMovie 08 which made some things worse). You're right -- iWeb sites seem bloated and can take too long to load compared to other sites. Plus, iWeb needs a LOT more functionality to be at all useful. It's shocking to me that it doesn't even have basic stuff like forms or menus. I'm not even asking for super-advanced stuff here, just a few more ways to make your iWeb site a little more interesting. I can't believe it will be at least another year until Apple MAYBE adds more functionality to it. By that time, your average website will be lightyears ahead of anything iWeb can do, making iWeb pages look like something from the Dark Ages. It's a real shame...

I recently had a new business owner pay me to fix his website that he had paid his daughter's former boyfriend to make. Turns out the guy had used iWeb to make the website. Pretty, but totally impractical, totally bloated, very inefficient, in general a total mess. Forms stuff was broken, etc. It used lots of duplicate copies of images that were 10x larger than they needed to be, etc. just simply awful.

[Sky Blue]

I guess the point of these posts is that the software I bought still works, so I'm unreasonable to complain.


Yup. 7 weeks ago is not recent.

[Chandler Adaway]

Yup. 7 weeks ago is not recent.

Yeah, I mean I bought my Macbook 4 days ago and I don't even qualify for the $9.95 upgrade. It hasn't even arrived at my house and I don't qualify for it!

I'm not mad at Apple or anything, I mean I KNEW there was going to be a Macworld conference. It wasn't a big shocker or anything.

[Sky Blue]

Yeah, I mean I bought my Macbook 4 days ago and I don't even qualify for the $9.95 upgrade. It hasn't even arrived at my house and I don't qualify for it!

I'm not mad at Apple or anything, I mean I KNEW there was going to be a Macworld conference. It wasn't a big shocker or anything.

I'd return the MacBook, or at least call and see if you can get the upgrade price.

[slu]

Well, "what you can do with Apple products?" merely boils down to: "What you can do with OSX". It is not hardware, it is purely software. And the answer is -of course- that OSX can do anything that a Linux box can do and then some. It is simply an issue of price: a linux (windows) box with similar specs costs half.

I love OSX and iLife, but the hardware side of "Apple products" is lagging in terms of the ratio power/price.
The Mini is the most blatant example.

Another example: why there is still no tablet? It would seem to me such a perfect fit for Apple. Your options lie in HP or Samsung.

Another example: why they pulled firewire from macbooks? Now I can't buy one since my camcorder uses a firewire!

So basically it boils down to "Macs are over priced". Never heard that one before. You are free to feel that way about the hardware and the software. Some of us also find value in OS X and the design of the machine and all the little things like MagSafe, etc. and we find it is worth the price.

And just because the mini and iMac were not updated today doesn't mean they never will be. And there is no tablet because the market is very small.

I know I am coming off as an apologist here, but I am realistic. Apple will never make products that everyone on the planet is happy with. Hell, I was pissed about no Firewire in the new Macbooks for the same reason you were. So I didn't get one. I got an old version at a closeout price and I sent Apple feedback about it.

The statement "Macs are over priced" is not fact. It is opinion.

Just like saying today's iLife update is garbage or not worth the money is opinion.

And I am still waiting for the person to respond that can't get **** done...

[Bosunsfate]

Well, "what you can do with Apple products?" merely boils down to: "What you can do with OSX". It is not hardware, it is purely software. And the answer is -of course- that OSX can do anything that a Linux box can do and then some. It is simply an issue of price: a linux (windows) box with similar specs costs half.

I love OSX and iLife, but the hardware side of "Apple products" is lagging in terms of the ratio power/price.
The Mini is the most blatant example.


Would you please provide a specific example where a similar spec'd linux/windows box is cheaper than a Mac?

There have been many discussions already about disproving your statement. So, I'd like a specific example.

[OPsDad]

Yup. 7 weeks ago is not recent.

Again, like I said, Microsoft's service left me with expectations that are unreasonable on the Mac side. My bad. I'll just have to be more careful about spending money with Apple in the future, and research when they might be updating and wait for a new version.
Didn't have to worry with MS. They always upgraded free for several months.
Let's see. That's about 30 dollars a week for the use of current software. 1500 dollars a year, more or less, at that rate. Plus the 3 grand I spent on the hardware.
It may be a better computer, but I'm doubtful whether it's a better value.

[curmi]

It hasn't quit working. But it is OBSOLETE, as I mentioned.
I guess the point of these posts is that the software I bought still works, so I'm unreasonable to complain.
I guess the service I got from Microsoft left me with expectations that are unreasonable on Planet Mac.
My Bad.

I'm interested OpsDad - how would Microsoft have behaved? I ask that seriously, as I don't use Windows.

I looked up prices on the net, and isn't an upgrade for Office 2007 (say) US$200+, depending on the version?

Isn't iWork '09 US$69? Yes, it doesn't have as much stuff as Office, but it is also considerably cheaper.

As for iLife, don't the MS equivalent applications come with the OS, so you'd have to buy a new version of the OS (or upgrade) to get a new Movie Maker or whatever they call their movie application?

Or are you saying that MS would have given you all these updates for free because you bought the previous version almost 2 months ago?

[ari gold]

I just woke up and am being a little slow, I know 09 will be released in late Jan and shipping on new macs; do new macs bought today include 09 or do they mean new macs in a few weeks?

[swissmann]

Apple has a two week upgrade policy if I remember correctly. If you bought in the last 2 weeks take it into a store or give the online store a ring. Process a fake return and then a fake re-buy and get your stuff.

Knowing that new stuff often comes at Macworld (or if you didn't the information is easily available) don't buy right before it then complain.

Unlike Microsoft Apple is pretty consistent with their upgrades - iLife comes out about once a year. I think it would be a slightly different story if you had bought a 3-4 year old piece of software a few weeks before a new piece of software replaced it for the next 3-4 or more years.

If you had tracked the history it would have been obvious that these were due for an update. Also the price you pay for the update is not very much relatively speaking. Last time I checked Microsoft Office upgrade was hundreds of dollars.

Apple is different from other companies - I personally like their way most of the time.

Oh yeah you might find this site helpful:
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

[Kuska]

Kids appearances change a huge amount over the first 16 years - going to have fun seeing if faces can keep up with my clan !!!

[Chandler Adaway]

I'd return the MacBook, or at least call and see if you can get the upgrade price.
I just bought a Macbook on the referb list (in fact, it's still in transit) and I called Apple to see if I could still qualify for the $9.95 update disk and they negotiated with me and said they could give me return labels and return it and then re order it and qualify for the disk, but the lady could not verify if they would have to wait for another Macbook like mine to come in stock again (which took forever the first go-around) so I just denied it.

But they were VERY polite with me, so it's okay.
I can't say I expected it to be a happy ending when I called.

Still kind of sucks though.

It was funny though, I called as soon as the keynote was over and the lady had no clue what I was talking about at first, and she was a specialist. She didn't know anything about the new products out, which is understandable.
You would think that they would be informed. :p
;)

[Bosunsfate]

I haven't seen anyone comment on this yet. And I've just finished looking it over on the Apple site.

This seems extremely useful to me and something certainly innovative. Especially the faces part. I have a photo library of over 5000 pics. I used to spend lots of time adding keywords, tagging photos to make note of me, family members etc.

This just seems like an awesome way to find photos of people/friends that I've taken. For me, that feature alone is about worth the upgrade price.

[Bosunsfate]

Kids appearances change a huge amount over the first 16 years - going to have fun seeing if faces can keep up with my clan !!!

Interesting point. I wonder if many photo's can "make up" a face? That way, a picture of your child at 5 would be included with ones at 16.

But something else is that its likely to segregate the 5 year old versions from the 16 year old versions.

I bet you could then create a smart album that merged the two.

[GregE]

Dude, you are listed as a MacRumors "Regular". Meaning you have been with the site for a while. Meaning that you should know that there is the posibility that things will be upgraded at MWSF, and that you are crazyto buy anything shortly before that (either because you will get a free upgrade to '09 with your purchase of new hardware, not to mention there could have been new or newish hardware that would either be something that you would bitch about not getting, or would further drop the price of that MBP you got if they were updated (althoug they obviously were JUST updated).

Long story short: stop bitching about lack of "Price Protection" or "they should give me a free upgrade"l you bought it when you did, get over it. Welcome to the world of technology. Things change fast, and you are naive if you think that something you buy today won't be obsolete within a few weeks (especially if you have the resources to see that the change is potentially coming)

I'm not bitching. I'm just disappointed with the way they handle this upgrade. Like you noted, I bought my MBP because it was just recently updated. If not, I would have waited. I love it!! For a $79 piece of software that they include with a system, I would think they could do better than making people that buy a computer the day it's release to have to pay S&H for it. Why not take care of the people that recently bought a system too. Not having it won't kill me though. I definitely don't have to have it.

[Sky Blue]

I haven't seen anyone comment on this yet. And I've just finished looking it over on the Apple site.

This seems extremely useful to me and something certainly innovative. Especially the faces part. I have a photo library of over 5000 pics. I used to spend lots of time adding keywords, tagging photos to make note of me, family members etc.

This just seems like an awesome way to find photos of people/friends that I've taken. For me, that feature alone is about worth the upgrade price.

Agreed. Don't think it's particularly innovative, Picasa and other photo apps have had something similar before. however, all my photos are well organized in iPhoto so this is going to help.

[Mac Dummy]

Will the current Mini not do that? Seriously, I'm curious. It seems like an entertainment center is the perfect use for a mini, but I'm not sure if there are hardware limitations that would stop the current mini from serving that purpose.

The Mac Mini should fit fine, depending on how big the space your planning to put it in is.

http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html

I recently got an email back from Ara Derderian of the HDTV & Home Theater Podcast @ htguys.com and he said that the Mini was fine for HD resolutions except it didn't like 1080i. 1080p and 720p signals were OK though. Probably has something to do with the GMA 950 integrated graphics card.

If you want know more about using the Mini in a home theater you might like to check out this episode of the Maccast podcast with Adam Christianson.

http://www.maccast.com/2008/11/16/maccast-20081116-mac-mini-home-theater-revisited/

[Mac21ND]

I ordered it already.

Same here. Really liked the upgrades to the software; nothing absolutely necessarily, but fun ways to be creative with my family photos, videos, etc;.

[maxvamp]

This should be a resounding message to Apple. One of the big products of this show is iWork, and in the audience they had a real hard time trying to generate excitement from even just a few people ( based on the clapping from the audience ) .

I think they need to expand a little on their product line. Improving the current products is nice, but if they want an Office competitor, they need expand a little. One of the most wanted and badly missed applications missing on OS X is a **good** Visio competitor. Apple has an opportunity here to make a program called Flow that could help not only basic flowcharting as found in Visio, but also offer workflow design and integration for media use such as storyboarding, or application flow. This would truly tie the iLife apps together, and with a little work, the Pro apps too.

Just a though,

Max.

[OPsDad]

I'm interested OpsDad - how would Microsoft have behaved? I ask that seriously, as I don't use Windows.

I looked up prices on the net, and isn't an upgrade for Office 2007 (say) US$200+, depending on the version?

Isn't iWork '09 US$69? Yes, it doesn't have as much stuff as Office, but it is also considerably cheaper.

As for iLife, don't the MS equivalent applications come with the OS, so you'd have to buy a new version of the OS (or upgrade) to get a new Movie Maker or whatever they call their movie application?

Or are you saying that MS would have given you all these updates for free because you bought the previous version almost 2 months ago?

In my experience, upgrades for sotware purchased within a few months was always free, and typically, they'd put it on the old version box a few months ahead.
But even when it didn't, I usually ended up with free upgrades for a lot of stuff, but I have enough Microsoft and Cisco certs to make a can of alphabet soup (admittedly with a lot of "M"s) and with certs came a lot of freebies. But upgrading myself and my wife on just iLife and iWork will be well over 300 dollars, and being off on temporary disability currently, that's a big hit, and I bought hers just before Christmas, so it was more like 3 weeks.
Apple certainly could be more proactive in letting folks know that they're about to come out with an upgrade, at a minimum.
Lesson learned. I'll figure out their rhythm, and not spend any dollars with them when they're due for a new version relatively soon.

[MHerstand]

Anyone know if musicians will be able to upload tutorials to the Garageband store themselves like they can with music on iTunes? That could make the Garageband store a gold mine if it really was a community, grassroots-based system instead of just having Apple contact labels to get some celebrities posting videos. Also, I feel like the $1.99 (or $2.99) TV show price would be a better price point for these videos at least from a market perspective, because that's basically what these are (even though there is some added interactivity in Garageband). I mean, it makes it more of an impulse buy to have it be 2 or 3 dollars instead of 5.

[OPsDad]

This should be a resounding message to Apple. One of the big products of this show is iWork, and in the audience they had a real hard time trying to generate excitement from even just a few people ( based on the clapping from the audience ) .

I think they need to expand a little on their product line. Improving the current products is nice, but if they want an Office competitor, they need expand a little. One of the most wanted and badly missed applications missing on OS X is a **good** Visio competitor. Apple has an opportunity here to make a program called Flow that could help not only basic flowcharting as found in Visio, but also offer workflow design and integration for media use such as storyboarding, or application flow. This would truly tie the iLife apps together, and with a little work, the Pro apps too.

Just a though,

Max.

Max,
Good point. But they should call it iFlow, shouldn't they? ;-)
Regardless, I agree on the need for a Visio-like product. I have to start my VM Vista when I need to to that kind of work -- a hassle!

[Sky Blue]

But upgrading myself and my wife on just iLife and iWork will be well over 300 dollars

iLife Family Pack: $99
iWork Family Pack: $99

$198 + tax

[137489]

Max,
Good point. But they should call it iFlow, shouldn't they? ;-)
Regardless, I agree on the need for a Visio-like product. I have to start my VM Vista when I need to to that kind of work -- a hassle!

Can I say Omnigraffle?

[OPsDad]

iLife Family Pack: $99
iWork Family Pack: $99

$198 + tax

Hmm. Where you getting these prices? I looked 30 or 40 minutes ago, and iWork family pack was showing 149 + tax.

I'll check educational pricing, too, since I am a faculty member.

EDIT: I just checked. The prices you quote ARE the educational prices.

[Eidorian]

This should be a resounding message to Apple. One of the big products of this show is iWork, and in the audience they had a real hard time trying to generate excitement from even just a few people ( based on the clapping from the audience ) .

I think they need to expand a little on their product line. Improving the current products is nice, but if they want an Office competitor, they need expand a little. One of the most wanted and badly missed applications missing on OS X is a **good** Visio competitor. Apple has an opportunity here to make a program called Flow that could help not only basic flowcharting as found in Visio, but also offer workflow design and integration for media use such as storyboarding, or application flow. This would truly tie the iLife apps together, and with a little work, the Pro apps too.

Just a though,

Max.I'd like a workflow design application as well with iWork. It'd be a good reason to upgrade alongside the updates to the other apps.

[neonblue2]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

Well here's what you've done wrong.

You bought iLife even though it comes bundled on every Mac
You bought before a Macworld (which you should have known was coming, you are on Mac Rumors after all)

[Eidorian]

Wow $2800 for half your tuition? I wish I only had to pay much. :(

That's like 1/20 of mine! :mad:

And like Eidorian said, good job on that order.US$1,100-1,300 a semester when I was in school. Remember to fill out your FAFSA. It was $2,100 higher then that beforehand.

www.purdue.edu

Remember to take advantage of student discounts while you can as a student or staff. (I've been both.) You might have a corporate discount as well.

[DavidLeblond]

Hmm. Where you getting these prices? I looked 30 or 40 minutes ago, and iWork family pack was showing 149 + tax.

I'll check educational pricing, too, since I am a faculty member.

Nope, iWork family is $99.

[maxvamp]

Can I say Omnigraffle?

You can, but I said a **good** Visio replacement. Apple would also offer better integration into iWork, like MS has with Office. :)

Max.

[Bosunsfate]

Can I say Omnigraffle?

I thought the same thing. Avid user and highly recommend. Only thing I wish Apple would let the OmniGroup do is get access to the Media drawer like in iLife applications.

[OPsDad]

Well here's what you've done wrong.

You bought iLife even though it comes bundled on every Mac
You bought before a Macworld (which you should have known was coming, you are on Mac Rumors after all)


Look again. I signed up today! I really didn't know about the Macworld thing. Like I say, though -- lesson learned.
Moratorium on Apple Software purchases from October until January from now on!

[maxvamp]

I thought the same thing. Avid user and highly recommend. Only thing I wish Apple would let the OmniGroup do is get access to the Media drawer like in iLife applications.


I am not sure what the effect is, but my experience with omnigraffe is you either really like it or really hate it. I am an avid Visio user for DB design and I personally hate OmniGaffe.

Just my 2 cents.:D

Max.

[Bosunsfate]

You can, but I said a **good** Visio replacement. Apple would also offer better integration into iWork, like MS has with Office. :)

Max.

You have some points there on the integration front. But I'm sorry I use Visio and I use OmniGraffle. In my opinion OminGraffle is so much better than Visio.

*Looks like our posts crossed in the ether. To each their own.

[maxvamp]

You have some points there on the integration front. But I'm sorry I use Visio and I use OmniGraffle. In my opinion OminGraffle is so much better than Visio.

I can appreciate your preference for one product over another.

I would hope Apple would be able to make something cool enough to use and be something you would want to buy no matter which of the products you use.

Max.

[Sky Blue]

Hmm. Where you getting these prices? I looked 30 or 40 minutes ago, and iWork family pack was showing 149 + tax.

I'll check educational pricing, too, since I am a faculty member.

EDIT: I just checked. The prices you quote ARE the educational prices.

No, they ARE NOT. Family Pack for both is $99 each as they have always been, not education prices. Probably even cheaper when listed on Amazon.

[OPsDad]

Well here's what you've done wrong.

You bought iLife even though it comes bundled on every Mac
You bought before a Macworld (which you should have known was coming, you are on Mac Rumors after all)


You're absolutely right, it did come bundled. i just looked at the invoices from my MBP and wife's MBWhite and sure enough, no charges on there for the iLife. I did think they charged me, but it must have been the MobileMe I was thinking of.
Of course, sometime soon I also have to scrape together about 400 for the Apple Care for our two Macs, too. I've been told by a friend who is a long time Mac user that I shouldn't be without it, especially after 3 months.
I'm reminded of the theme song for "The Apprentice".

[Fast Shadow]

I'm too shocked by the lack of a new Mac mini or iMac to post.

Seriously? The Mini is dead, guys. It's been dead for over a year. Get over it, already.

[OPsDad]

No, they ARE NOT. Family Pack for both is $99 each as they have always been, not education prices. Probably even cheaper when listed on Amazon.

Hmm. My hallucination is not looking like yours, I just double checked.
Haven't checked Amazon yet, but on Apple's site, I'm not getting the same results you are unless I go to my college's store for educational pricing!

Must be the 60's coming back on me again.

[GregE]

Of course, sometime soon I also have to scrape together about 400 for the Apple Care for our two Macs, too. I've been told by a friend who is a long time Mac user that I shouldn't be without it, especially after 3 months.

You do know to look for it on e-bay? That's what I plan to do.

[Chandler Adaway]

Hmm. My hallucination is not looking like yours, I just double checked.
Haven't checked Amazon yet, but on Apple's site, I'm not getting the same results you are unless I go to my college's store for educational pricing!

Must be the 60's coming back on me again.

I'm getting $99.
I wonder why yours is more than that.

[GregE]

Hmm. My hallucination is not looking like yours, I just double checked.
Haven't checked Amazon yet, but on Apple's site, I'm not getting the same results you are unless I go to my college's store for educational pricing!

Must be the 60's coming back on me again.

http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=family+pack

[GregE]

bump

I think new Macs bought today have iLife 08 but you can get iLife 09 for $9.95 S&H later.

[Sky Blue]

bump

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

[~Shard~]

Nice update to the suite. So, no major iWeb or iDVD updates, but this isn't unexpected. I don't think I'll be buying the new iLife just for the iPhoto updates though, so I'll either have to wait until I buy a new Mac (which by that time iLife '10 will no doubt be out!) or unless Apple offers a subsequent box set, with the new iWork, iLife and Snow Leopard for $169 in a few months. ;) :cool:

[elppa]

I remember when iPhoto was a free download on the Apple website and the whole package came on the Panther install CDs.

I think Apple should get back to offering iPhoto either cheaper or free. I imagine many more people take photos than do any of the other stuff with the suite. I took all the other apps off my HDD to save space when I got a MacBook with the '06 suite on.

If you don't play and instrument and don't own a video camera (not uncommon) then that renders 3/5 apps next to useless.

[mandoman]

I hope they at least added chapter markers to imovie 09...

[OPsDad]

http://store.apple.com/us/search?find=family+pack

Thanks, Greg. That link worked.

I wonder why I kept seeing another price? Strange.

Of course, it was probably a problem with the chair to keyboard interface.

[ari gold]

I think new Macs bought today have iLife 08 but you can get iLife 09 for $9.95 S&H later.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/

Thanks guys

[html]

Would anybody mind attaching PDFs of the pages to the feed? I'm unable to view the new pages (dang web filter).

[Dagless]

I wonder how good the face recognition works? Sounds utterly brilliant but 2 of my best (and therefore most photographed :D) friends are twins, and my girlfriends a triplet!
This should be fun.

An grr, bought my MB just under a month ago. Should have waited and got iLife for cheap :o

[OPsDad]

You do know to look for it on e-bay? That's what I plan to do.

It doesn't have to be purchased from an Apple Authorized Reseller?

[GregE]

It doesn't have to be purchased from an Apple Authorized Reseller?

Nope. I've read on many buying it on e-bay and saving some money. Just make sure it is a reputable seller. That is what I am going to do for my MBP.

[ricosuave]

Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but what would this beloved company of ours going to do with our faces and the cloud?

[Sky Blue]

Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but what would this beloved company of ours going to do with our faces and the cloud?

What Cloud?

[~Shard~]

Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but what would this beloved company of ours going to do with our faces and the cloud?

I'm sure it all ties into some Skynet-related initiative Apple is undertaking. :p :cool:

[tibi08]

I'm looking forward to seeing how iPhoto "Faces" works with my identical twin brothers..... :D

[maxvamp]

I'm sure it all ties into some Skynet-related initiative Apple is undertaking. :p :cool:

SkyNet is a Mac?? Hmmmm I would have thought it ran on VISTA.

Max.

[grahamwright1]

It hasn't quit working. But it is OBSOLETE, as I mentioned.
I guess the point of these posts is that the software I bought still works, so I'm unreasonable to complain.

I think it's unclear why you assume that the software you were using happily(?) yesterday is suddenly obsolete ("old; no longer in use or valid or fashionable" according to Visual Thesaurus) and you are no longer happy with it.

This is the car manufacturers brainwashing - if you don't have the current model year you are missing out of something important, but the reality is that what worked yesterday still works today.

[~Shard~]

SkyNet is a Mac?? Hmmmm I would have thought it ran on VISTA.

No no, it's an efficient system... :p :D

[maxvamp]

No no, it's an efficient system... :p :D


Yes, but VISTA is evil!!! Maybe SkyNet is a Hackintosh??!!:D

Max.

[~Shard~]

Yes, but VISTA is evil!!! Maybe SkyNet is a Hackintosh??!!:D

Ah, gotcha, I see what you meant - fair point. ;)

Anywho, can't see myself buying iLife 09 anytime soon, since all I'd really need it for is iPhoto, and I'm quite happy with iPhoto '08s feature set and performance. If there is an updated "box set" with Snow Leopard, Ilife and iWork then maybe I'd consider it, but I think the likelihood of that offering coming to be is low the more I think about it...

[twoodcc]

looking forward to getting this update. especially imovie 09. can't wait

[thaytis]

The iMovie changes are enough for me to upgrade .. BUT my wife got a new Macobook 3 weeks ago ... no way am I paying to upgrade the full price from 08. I presume Apple will give a discount upgrade price? Anyone?

I agree.... I just spent 2k on a MBP two weeks ago.... there is no way that I'm paying to upgrade to iLife '09. I'll wait until Snow Leopard.... when its included.

[ricosuave]

I agree.... I just spent 2k on a MBP two weeks ago.... there is no way that I'm paying to upgrade to iLife '09. I'll wait until Snow Leopard.... when its included.

Usually iLife is not included in the OS DVD. You get it for free with the computer.

[~Shard~]

Usually iLife is not included in the OS DVD. You get it for free with the computer.

This is correct - you will be paying for a new OS, not new application suite. If you want both Snow Leopard and iLife you will have to pay for both of them. You only get iLife for free when you purchase a new Mac. The only other thing you could hope for is a revision to the "box set" offering, with Snow Leopard, iLife and iWork for $169, but I doubt Apple will offer this package unless Snow Leopard is announced in the very near future, which I don't see happening since we didn't even hear a peep about it today.

[Bosunsfate]

No no, it's an efficient system... :p :D

Yes, but VISTA is evil!!! Maybe SkyNet is a Hackintosh??!!:D

Max.

Ah, gotcha, I see what you meant - fair point. ;)


You know, the evil system in Wall-E that destroyed the planet was OSX.

[~Shard~]

You know, the evil system in Wall-E that destroyed the planet was OSX.

It's all starting to make sense now... ;) :D

[EricNau]

I wish we'd see a box set option for iLife, iWork, and OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard). It's about the only way I see myself upgrading to all three. In lieu of this option, I'll probably just buy iLife.

[~Shard~]

I wish we'd see a box set option for iLife, iWork, and OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard). It's about the only way I see myself upgrading to all three. In lieu of this option, I'll probably just buy iLife.

This has already been discussed a fair bit in associated threads. Although I would consider buying tis option if it were made available, I doubt it will be a reality, simply due to the release date of Snow Leopard. If it was in the next month or so, then possible, but if we don't see it until June or July (which is what I'm guessing) then Apple will argue iLife and iWork have been out long enough, blah blah blah, and will come out with their standard $129 charge for the new OS. I see this as more of an upgrade option for Tiger, Panther etc users who want the new iSuites as opposed to buying 10.5 itself, whereas a Snow Leopard bundle would target Leopard users primarily wanting the new OS (in general).

[georgi0]

what iphoto 09?

check out iphoto 2010 !!


http://picasa.google.com/mac/
easiest way to make a simple movie slideshow at last.

:D

[~Shard~]

what iphoto 09?

check out iphoto 2010 !!


http://picasa.google.com/mac/
easiest way to make a simple movie slideshow at last.

:D

Yep, Picasa is a sweet app, no doubt about it. iPhoto is no slouch though at the end of the day. I just downloaded the Mac beta of Picasa and will play around with it to see which app I prefer.

[mrrydogg]

It's funny....no one really cared about the Mac Mini a month ago until "rumors" started floating around. Now everyone is up in arms? Please.

There is a reason Mac Mini is not a hot seller, it's like AppleTV...a work in progress. It will be updated or discontinued soon, either way it's a niche market at this point. Those of you that are "furious" are either real Mac Mini users or more likely just mad at yourself for believing a rumor.

Fact is Apple is pulling out of Macworld. They put together some nice software updates to address the masses, released the much anticipated update to the 17" MBP and satisfied the hardcore music lovers too. By their own admission they want to do their own product releases and media events on their own time. So the fact that this may of been underwhelming to some only points to the reason they are abandoning this event in the first place!

[Kuska]

Interesting point. I wonder if many photo's can "make up" a face? That way, a picture of your child at 5 would be included with ones at 16.

But something else is that its likely to segregate the 5 year old versions from the 16 year old versions.

I bet you could then create a smart album that merged the two.

I think you are spot on, that is probably the way to manage it - what will be interesting, is when faces 'loses' the match i.e if you start with a 5 year old as the target photo, at what point or which developmental change 'throws the code'

[burningbright]

The presentation started off so well- was really impressed by the face recognition stuff. It made me think 'great, all it really needs now is geotagg.. YES!' iMovie also seems a really impressive upgrade. But it kind of petered out from there on. GB lessons seems nice, but it's really limited at the moment. Then iWeb and iDVD seemed to get no attention. I reckon they're probably stringing out the length of time it takes iLife to become a fully mature set by concentrating on half the set each time. I'm not paying out twice for two half upgrades. Having said that, if iLife '10 gives iWeb as an impressive an upgrade as '09 gave iPhoto, I'm there!

iWork '09 seemed a bit lame- paid cloud service? I'll go with Google Docs for that, thanks... Other than that the most useful new feature for me was full screen no-distractions mode. Woo! Where's the task manager, where's the planner, where's the database? C'mon Apple!

[KilljoyPBN]

Instead of buying iLife 09, couldn't I just wait until they release Snow Leopard and it will come with the OS?

Am I wrong here?

[citi]

Yep, Picasa is a sweet app, no doubt about it. iPhoto is no slouch though at the end of the day. I just downloaded the Mac beta of Picasa and will play around with it to see which app I prefer.

Having said, if that face recognition is solid, than that will be my app of choice. I think there could be a need for both and because picassa accesses alot of the iphoto data, we may have a win win.

[citi]

Instead of buying iLife 09, couldn't I just wait until they release Snow Leopard and it will come with the OS?

Am I wrong here?

yes you are...the only thing you get in the OS upgrade is itunes, ical, and mail. Everything else is an add-on

[KilljoyPBN]

Hmm I will see what people say when they get delivery of iLife and make my judgment then.

[iRebecca27]

I am in love with the new iMovie.

I am a frequent YouTuber, and although easy to make great vids in '08, i had to frequently edit in HD. Hopefully an upgrade is due (:

[iRebecca27]

Instead of buying iLife 09, couldn't I just wait until they release Snow Leopard and it will come with the OS?

Am I wrong here?

you still need to get this, sorry, it does not come with the operating system unless you buy the pack of Leopard, iLife and iWork. or unless you get a new computer

[iRebecca27]

iWork '09 seemed a bit lame- paid cloud service? I'll go with Google Docs for that, thanks... Other than that the most useful new feature for me was full screen no-distractions mode. Woo! Where's the task manager, where's the planner, where's the database? C'mon Apple!

iWork looked sick, i want to get my hands on it right now, and make up random spreadsheets and charts

what company but Apple can make someone itch to handle data?

[surferfromuk]

Hi Apple,

Put me down for a Snow Leopard/iWork09/iLife09 family pack box set.

:)

[Khryz]

I still have iLife '06.

Should I run out and get this? I mostly use iMovie to make quick YouTube Machinima.

[skiesforme]

I use iPhoto most of the time. Rest of the iLife softwares are of no major use to me.
$79 for some fancy stuff.... :confused: :(

[burningbright]

iWork looked sick, i want to get my hands on it right now, and make up random spreadsheets and charts

what company but Apple can make someone itch to handle data?

Haha, I must admit I am a fan of Keynote and I never thought a spreadsheet could look sexy! Just disappointed by the lack of progress since '08 (based just on what info we have.) Maybe I'm just being greedy though!

[~Shard~]

Hi Apple,

Put me down for a Snow Leopard/iWork09/iLife09 family pack box set.

:)

I would definitely consider that package as well, however I fear the likelihood of it materializing is slim to none... :o

[Palliser]

Blah... just got '08 in my macbook unibody, oh well... cool features, but I don't really need any of them.

[Mike in Kansas]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

So every time M$ created a new version of Windows, Office, etc. you'd immediately upgrade (for free no less) because the old version was obsolete? Wow...

[Snowy_River]

While it does seem to be true that iDVD has had little, if anything done to it, it is not true that iWeb has been completely neglected.

First, one of my most wanted features has been added: internal FTP. So, now iWeb can publish directly to my web server. Also, it seems that Apple has built on the HTML snippet and Google Map inserts, and created a whole slew of "widgets" that can be easily added to a website in iWeb. These look like very nice additions.

Now, that being said, I will grant that there are some things that I'd REALLY like to see, and we'll have to wait and see if the new version addresses any of these. First, repeated graphics. Every page of my website uses the same graphic as a background. So, why does iWeb need to have a separate file for each page? It would speed up page load speeds SO much if it only had to load the background once on the first page visited, rather than every single time.

Second, a bit more control over compression on graphic files. Again, this is a page load speed issue.

In any event, I think that iLife looks like it's easily worth the price.

I'm not quite sure, yet, about iWork...

[ibosie]

The Mac Box Set sounds like a great value.

I just hope they do the same with the Snow Leopard and iLife/iWork '09s :)

I'd buy the box set with Snow Leopard but since I'll be wanting to install on at least 3 machines my conscience knows I'll need to pay for individual family packs. I'm quite pleased with the updates, especially iMovie although I have Final Cut it's not always possible to dedicate the extra time such complex software deserves. I'm not sure why iWork.com is not featured with Mobile Me though - having a separate URL outside of the cloud family.

[duklaprague]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

How do you mean obsolete? Has it stopped working? And why did you buy iLife when it was already installed on the machine you bought? D'oh!

Anyway, I've always had a soft spot for iLife as it was a big factor in switching back in 04, and I did a bit of freelance stuff producing DVD slideshows for wedding photographers.

I guess it depends which bits you use, but I'm liking the new Faces and Places thing - great way of organising stuff. I guess the Places will have to be done manually, but hey.

From the video tour of iMovie, it looks much improved with the precision editing - whilst the example with the two scenes being cut together, the big question for me is whether or not it reintroduces the timeline functionality from iMovie HD and will allow better audio editing. It looked as though it probably did - is anyone any clearer on that?

Shame iDVD seems to be the poor relation these days - I guess maybe they see things as moving to wireless technologies. Which is a shame, as I always enjoy doing the holiday DVDs for the folks!

[msw123307]

Can someone help me here - if I just bought an open-item macbook from Best Buy 4 days ago - will I be eligible for iLife 09?

[Bosunsfate]

I think you are spot on, that is probably the way to manage it - what will be interesting, is when faces 'loses' the match i.e if you start with a 5 year old as the target photo, at what point or which developmental change 'throws the code'

Interesting. But if I follow you correctly, that means you'll be using iPhoto09 for quite some time. ;)

I did see in the demo video some interesting aspects.
1. It has adaptive learning in what you say is and is not the correct photo.

2. You can manually find photos, and add that "face" to an existing person. Then that too will go into the algorithm for step 1.

[APPLENEWBIE]

I want to 'switch'. I want to run all Apple gear in my business. But as it stands, none of Apple's desktop offerings are a reasonable value (choices: outdated iMac or prohibitively expensive Mac Pro)... A small part of me was hoping for a 'consumer level' mini tower, but I knew that was out of the question.

Unless you do heavy duty graphics intensive work in your business, which seems unlikely if you were considering a "consumer level mini-tower" the "outdated" iMac is a powerful machine that is up to most tasks. I have two of them and have yet to max them out... No offense, and I'm not trying to be a smart**s but just because the iMac has not been updated in a few months does not take away the fact that it, and most modern computers, have more capacity than most of us need.

[SandynJosh]

Phil looks like he has lost weight though:D-I'm just sayin'...

I totally agree. I'll bet he's got some dire disease or pacreatic cancer. I'm just saying, y'know.

[rKunda]

Can someone help me here - if I just bought an open-item macbook from Best Buy 4 days ago - will I be eligible for iLife 09?

I doubt it. I bought my new Macbook on the 29th, and after speaking with multiple Apple people I've given up on iLife 09 for free, or the cheaper upgrade price, or for iWork 09 for $49.

You may have better luck, but for me it looks like retail or ebay.

[SandynJosh]

I wish we'd see a box set option for iLife, iWork, and OS 10.6 (Snow Leopard). It's about the only way I see myself upgrading to all three. In lieu of this option, I'll probably just buy iLife.

Possibly the reason why Apple is making this option available with Leopard is that the upcoming Snow Leopard may only run on the Intel Macs. My introducing this package they can support all the old G3/G4 owners with iLife09 that would be shut out if/when the OS no longer will run.

just guessing on the upcoming Snow Leopard's spec change

[zweigand]

Didn't notice any mention of easier AVCHD editing with iMovie, except for one somewhat confusing mention of AVCHD archiving in the 'new features' section on Apple.com. Anyone else hear/see anything that would give hope to AVCHD users not wanting to 'import' their video ag 8x - 10x the size of the original?
ALong those same lines ...I am wondering if iMovie works better with h.264 files. I'm looking to compress all of my DV files to save a lot of space. The problem is the current version of iMovie is useless with those files.

[NeonKingKong]

This is awesome! Wow garageband looks tight. Wayyyy cooool.

[walala]

gahhhhh. I was hoping they would allow HD editing in iMovie '09. I have a Canon HV30 that I would love to use in the new iMovie. How hard would it be to allow for this compatibility?

I know they want you to make the jump to Final Cut Express or FCP, but I don't need all those features. I just want to make cool videos that happen to be in HD (to upload to sites like Vimeo).

Please please please

[linuxophile]

Would you please provide a specific example where a similar spec'd linux/windows box is cheaper than a Mac?

There have been many discussions already about disproving your statement. So, I'd like a specific example.

Here you go:
Mac Mini vs
Dell Studio Hybrid.

On one corner the Mini:
1.8 ghz C2duo, 1 gb, 80 gbhd = 645$ (canadian)

On the other corner Dell:
2ghz C2duo, 2gb, 160gbhd (you have to custom add the wifi and wireless keyboard/mouse = 635$ (Canadian).


Plus, the Dell is as cute as the mini (-opinion-)

one/zero

[Bosunsfate]

Well, I've reviewed the details of what they did in iPhoto and iMovie. And its impressive.

It is exactly what I would expect from Apple. Clean, well thought out. and well designed.

Does it do everything people might think? I don't know, it does more than I expected.

And most importantly, there are features in here I can use and I'll get immediate gratification from.

Note, I currently use iLife08 and was very happy with it. This just improves that experience.

[Bosunsfate]

Here you go:
Mac Mini vs
Dell Studio Hybrid.

On one corner the Mini:
1.8 ghz C2duo, 1 gb, 80 gbhd = 645$ (canadian)

On the other corner Dell:
2ghz C2duo, 2gb, 160gbhd (you have to custom add the wifi and wireless keyboard/mouse = 635$ (Canadian).


Plus, the Dell is as cute as the mini (-opinion-)

one/zero

When was that Dell released? What software do you get with that dell? You are only comparing the hardware.

Also, the Mini is what you want to compare? Something that has not been updated in nearly two years?

*EDIT* Just noticed that you think this is some kind of competition. Since that is how you want to view that then, please compare every model that Apple has on current release with the comparable Dell model. If that total goes to you....then you shall win.

[spydr]

The biggest bummer for me is still there is no native editing of AVCHD! :eek:

When they pulled away the firewire port, they gladly referred about how common AVCHD camcorders have become and how all of them are USB only.

They forgot to mention that in order to edit AVCHD footage in iMovie, you will have to convert your it into Apple Intermediate Codec format via a lengthy import process which also makes the files several fold larger than the original.

After waiting for iMovie 09 to bring this capability, I am really very disappointed. All else they showcased seemed to me as merely more fluff.

[n3xt3volution]

This whole iLife 09 thing is bunk! Since last December I've bought an iPhone, a MacBook, the 1TB Time Capsule and all the gizmos, gadgets, accessories and random items they can sell me at the Apple Store in Manhattan Beach. Then I buy the iPhone 3G after spending half of August in line just to get my hands on one. But I didn't stop there, I bought more accessories, cables and crap to dress up the little man. Not to mention all the money I've spent on iTunes...

But I couldn't stop myself on January 1st when I walked in and without hesitation laid down my hard-earned money on a new MacBook Pro. I had found love and wanted to take it home.

What has me all wound up is this:
Five days after I buy the new MacBook Pro, Apple announces iLife 09 and specifically states that the only eligible systems for the free upgrade (just pay shipping) are those purchased on or after January 6th, 2009. You mean Apple couldn't have made the upgrade offer available to anybody that purchased a computer on January 1st, 2009. I have an idea...How about Apple offers the free upgrade of iLife 09 to all those that purchased a new system in 2009. It makes sense, huh?

I was five days shy, I should have just waited. Next time I will give more thought to my expensive impulses.

[SandynJosh]

I came across in mid-November from the Windows world.
At that time I bought iWork, iLife, and bunches of other software.
6 weeks later, it's obsolete, and no free upgrade for recent purchasers.
I'm beginning to miss the way I was treated by Microsoft. They'd have given recent purchasers a free upgrade path, I've been there dozens of times over the past 3 decades.

I'm more than slightly miffed.

I've been bumping along with iLife06 until now and been reasonably happy. The new features of 09 may have finally pushed me into upgrading. While the latest and greatest is fun to have, it's expensive to chase the technology curve just to have the bragging rights. P.S. the box set has come along at a good time for me since I still hadn't moved to 10.6 because 10.5 did +90% of what I needed for work and home.

I've been using Macs since OS 1.1g and have found that lagging the curve somewhat has saved me a lot of money; even keeping in mind that the Mac OS was a free upgrade for most of it's incremental life.

[Bosunsfate]

This whole iLife 09 thing is bunk! Since last December I've bought an iPhone, a MacBook, the 1TB Time Capsule and all the gizmos, gadgets, accessories and random items they can sell me at the Apple Store in Manhattan Beach. Then I buy the iPhone 3G after spending half of August in line just to get my hands on one. But I didn't stop there, I bought more accessories, cables and crap to dress up the little man. Not to mention all the money I've spent on iTunes...

But I couldn't stop myself on January 1st when I walked in and without hesitation laid down my hard-earned money on a new MacBook Pro. I had found love and wanted to take it home.

What has me all wound up is this:
Five days after I buy the new MacBook Pro, Apple announces iLife 09 and specifically states that the only eligible systems for the free upgrade (just pay shipping) are those purchased on or after January 6th, 2009. You mean Apple couldn't have made the upgrade offer available to anybody that purchased a computer on January 1st, 2009. I have an idea...How about Apple offers the free upgrade of iLife 09 to all those that purchased a new system in 2009. It makes sense, huh?

I was five days shy, I should have just waited. Next time I will give more thought to my expensive impulses.

Well, while it is not free, you still can upgrade for under $10.

But a lesson you should certainly learn. Watch this site. When announcements are pending, wait on purchases.

But don't wait forever (*ala Mac Mini). Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and get what you want and don't stress about what comes out a week later. :D

[linuxophile]

When was that Dell released? What software do you get with that dell? You are only comparing the hardware.

Also, the Mini is what you want to compare? Something that has not been updated in nearly two years?



Re: what software. I think Home vista premium.

Re: "mini not updated in two years".
Whose fault is this?
They are selling it as of now, so it is only fair to compare it with today's models by other manufacturers.
Well, the imac does not score much better. There is a Sony in a similar form factor, I think with a touch screen, that costs less than a 20in imac. I'll leave you the pleasure of googling.


Re: "comparing what".
Of course I am comparing the hardware! That is what we were talking about (at least what I was talking about).


The software is not comparable: it would be comparing Apples and Oranges.
Too much emotional involvement to actually make an objective comparison.
You can install kubuntu for free.
Maybe even hack-intosh it.

[trickytrev]

nothing new in imovie except for the globe. imovie 08 had the imovie 6 effects removed. glad to see them back...

still a very very average "high quality" that apple advertise... very soft exports and dvd renders... hope this is fixed in '09, but didn't see it in the "new features"

Is it a quicktime, idvd, or iMovie thing??? this seriously has to be sorted out!
if it's imovie, then it would be better to buy final cut express perhaps?

apple must lift their game!

[bondjw07]

Anyone done the update from the online apple store? I'm wondering if you get an immediate download or if you have to wait for them to ship you the disks.

[MhzDoesMatter]

This is why reading this thread has convinced me leaving Macworld is best for Apple....

Anyone who says the improvements to imovie is Fluff obviously doesn't use the previous iteration of the program regularly and more than that knows little to nothing about video editing. Even an FCPro junkie can see that '09 vs '08 is an amazing jump in utility for such an entry level program.

Call the new iPhoto eye candy if u want. But people like Candy. And Geotagging and Facetagging are the NEW IT in pop web culture. Facebook and Twitter are huge phenomenons. Apple is catering to what will help sell the platform.

The MacMini wasn't upgraded. So? The only reason u thought it would be upgraded was because Arn told u it would be. Go bitch and complain to him. But don't pointlessly denounce Apple in a rumor site for not doing what u wanted them to do when you wanted them to do it. That really is whining. No, not expressing yourself; whining.

If you just bought a $2800 dollar laptop and are now complaining about a $79 upgrade, then you are either a d**chebag or think your $2800 dollars purchased you an entitlement. In that case, you're over estimating your importance and the significance of your mere $2800 to Apple. A couple grand is not enough to buy you the treatment you obviously think you deserve. So you actually would do better to take your "nickels and dimes" to a company who isn't so interested in getting them all one by one.


This is all why Apple can't be a part of Macworld. Expo's breed this sort of behavior; unrealistic expectations, entitlement, invisible deadlines, and images of fanboy's sitting on forum boards talking about what the company didn't do. In order to gain real mass appeal which is better in terms of long term profitability, Apple is, rightfully imo, cleaning out all the dark corners where this kool-aid zealot mentality grows.

Good riddance.

[Shadow%20Mac]

I've been bumping along with iLife06 until now and been reasonably happy. The new features of 09 may have finally pushed me into upgrading. While the latest and greatest is fun to have, it's expensive to chase the technology curve just to have the bragging rights. P.S. the box set has come along at a good time for me since I still hadn't moved to 10.6 because 10.5 did +90% of what I needed for work and home.

I've been using Macs since OS 1.1g and have found that lagging the curve somewhat has saved me a lot of money; even keeping in mind that the Mac OS was a free upgrade for most of it's incremental life.

There is no 10.6 yet. 10.6 will be snow leopard, idiot. 10.5 is leopard, and the current version. You meant to say you are running 10.4, and you haven't upgraded to 10.5

[Peace]

Anyone done the update from the online apple store? I'm wondering if you get an immediate download or if you have to wait for them to ship you the disks.

iLife 09 isn't out yet.

[bondjw07]

iLife 09 isn't out yet.

Gotcha, I was just confused because it lists iLife as Buy Now as opposed to Pre-Order on their site. Thx

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB966?mco=MzA3MDc5Mg

[Peace]

Gotcha, I was just confused because it lists iLife as Buy Now as opposed to Pre-Order on their site. Thx

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB966?mco=MzA3MDc5Mg

nor does it say "Buy Now". It does say "Ships: January Free Shipping Add to cart". :)

[bondjw07]

nor does it say "Buy Now". It does say "Ships: January Free Shipping Add to cart". :)

Wow... I fail at reading

[Half Glass]

why are the iLife '09 up to date details not being revealed until Jan 12th?

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/


Perhaps more hardware then?

...dreaming...

--HG

[~Shard~]

why are the iLife '09 up to date details not being revealed until Jan 12th?

http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/


Perhaps more hardware then?

...dreaming...

Not necessarily dreaming - new Mac mins and iMacs are definitely in the cards, and we could be seeing them sooner than some people might think. That being said, announcements by January 12 to coincide with the above are probably pushing it.

[Bosunsfate]

Re: what software. I think Home vista premium.

Re: "mini not updated in two years".
Whose fault is this?
They are selling it as of now, so it is only fair to compare it with today's models by other manufacturers.
Well, the imac does not score much better. There is a Sony in a similar form factor, I think with a touch screen, that costs less than a 20in imac. I'll leave you the pleasure of googling.


Re: "comparing what".
Of course I am comparing the hardware! That is what we were talking about (at least what I was talking about).


The software is not comparable: it would be comparing Apples and Oranges.
Too much emotional involvement to actually make an objective comparison.
You can install kubuntu for free.
Maybe even hack-intosh it.

I realize that you only want to complain about the MacMini not being updated. I think MhxDoesMatter said it best

This is why reading this thread has convinced me leaving Macworld is best for Apple....

Anyone who says the improvements to imovie is Fluff obviously doesn't use the previous iteration of the program regularly and more than that knows little to nothing about video editing. Even an FCPro junkie can see that '09 vs '08 is an amazing jump in utility for such an entry level program.

Call the new iPhoto eye candy if u want. But people like Candy. And Geotagging and Facetagging are the NEW IT in pop web culture. Facebook and Twitter are huge phenomenons. Apple is catering to what will help sell the platform.

The MacMini wasn't upgraded. So? The only reason u thought it would be upgraded was because Arn told u it would be. Go bitch and complain to him. But don't pointlessly denounce Apple in a rumor site for not doing what u wanted them to do when you wanted them to do it. That really is whining. No, not expressing yourself; whining.

If you just bought a $2800 dollar laptop and are now complaining about a $79 upgrade, then you are either a d**chebag or think your $2800 dollars purchased you an entitlement. In that case, you're over estimating your importance and the significance of your mere $2800 to Apple. A couple grand is not enough to buy you the treatment you obviously think you deserve. So you actually would do better to take your "nickels and dimes" to a company who isn't so interested in getting them all one by one.


This is all why Apple can't be a part of Macworld. Expo's breed this sort of behavior; unrealistic expectations, entitlement, invisible deadlines, and images of fanboy's sitting on forum boards talking about what the company didn't do. In order to gain real mass appeal which is better in terms of long term profitability, Apple is, rightfully imo, cleaning out all the dark corners where this kool-aid zealot mentality grows.

Good riddance.

[linuxophile]

The MacMini wasn't upgraded. So? The only reason u thought it would be upgraded was because Arn told u it would be. Go bitch and complain to him. But don't pointlessly denounce Apple in a rumor site for not doing what u wanted them to do when you wanted them to do it. That really is whining. No, not expressing yourself; whining.


The Mini wasn't upgraded. That is objectively disappointing.
And the reasons are: people like the form factor, like the OS but not the price for such old specs.

Whining? Of course! That exactly the same you are doing in your post about others' whining. That is the only purpose of this discussion: venting and whining.

You've got to admit there is some value in it, for otherwise you yourself wouldn't do it...

[the zahir]

My question is... can I create my own music lessons in garageband-- cause that would really be revolutionary! But if it's only basic piano/guitar lessons purchased from apple, nice, not but that great.

Oh, and added instruments templates for lessons-- clarinets, saxophones, violins, drums...

[dalvin200]

Does anyone know yet if you have existing iMovie 08 projects can they be used with the new iMovie 09?

Or do you have to re-import everything just like iMovie 06 -> iMovie 08?

Thanks

[joeshell383]

Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, but what would this beloved company of ours going to do with our faces and the cloud?

Truth be told, you're right on. Anyone who accesses the computer (physically or via network) has access to all the identified photos of friends and family, and places the owner has travelled...

[weckart]

iWeb has been updated, iDVD is the same as before.

Only iLife 09 requires Leopard. iWork 09 will work on OSX 10.4.11.

iWork also requires your Leopard or Tiger installation be up to date.

System requirements
A Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (500MHz or faster) processor
512MB of RAM (1GB recommended)
32MB of video memory
Mac OS X v10.4.11, or Mac OS X v10.5.6 or later
QuickTime 7.5.5*or later
1.2GB of available disk space
DVD drive required to install

[fiver55]

If the there is real content in the artist lessens in GB then it is worth $79. But if it is just "fluff" then no. Actual I'd buy iLife just for the ability to tag my photos to people's names. If there is a way that I can use iPhoto's face recognition to tag my Aperture library then I'll buy it. I have many thousands of photos that were scanned from film that I have yet to tag. I'll be hapy to pay $79 if it will save me 100 hours of work.

Same here, if there is any way to do that, they'll get my money...

[numbersyx]

Not much in the new iLife to interest me. Sure organisation by Faces is neat but is it a reason to upgrade?

At least Apple are trying to rectify their mistakes re: iMovie..

[johnnyjibbs]

I'm buying this for iMovie 09 alone. iPhoto is icing on the cake but it is disappointing that they didn't give iWeb a much-needed update.

iMovie 09, however, seems to have got everything we could have dreamed of - now going beyond feature parity with iMovie 06 (seems archaic doesn't it? ;)).

I noticed the following snippet hidden in the advanced drag and drop capabilities: "Drag-and-drop editing includes advanced options like cutaways, picture-in-picture and green-screen effects."

Green screen? Picture in picture? Looks like I might be able to finally drop Final Cut Express, which still feels like it is stuck in Mac OS 9. I've already liked what I've seen from iMovie 08 with the ease and simplicity with which to make simple cuts (it's not just for YouTube (yawn) you know!)

Furthermore, the new effects and titles appear to lose their "iMovie-ness" i.e. they look professional enough and customisable enough not to look like yet another iMovie movie, iDVD DVD or iWeb website. I'm itching to get into it.

And finally - the ability to perform simple edits easily. With iMovie 08 it was almost impossible to decouple the sound from a clip and offset it without getting into a complete mess.

One thing - does anyone know if iMovie 09 includes the ability to adjust the speed of a clip? I find its omission in 08 unbelievably frustrating!

EDIT - found it - YES to adjusting clip speed! :)

[Fibbons]

This is $169 right? So in England you would expect about £100, perhaps £120.

But its going for £200?! That's like 350 dollars!

What a jip.

[johnnyjibbs]

This is $169 right? So in England you would expect about £100, perhaps £120.

But its going for £200?! That's like 350 dollars!

What a jip.

You are mistaken - it is £149 - but I agree that even that is a complete rip-off. When is Apple going to wake up to the fact that the combined international market is much larger than the US??!! Imagine the profits if even just Mac market share in Europe matched the US?! :eek:

Looks like Apple has adjusted its exchange rates owing to the weak pound. Up until now we've been getting $1 = 59p * which has recently (last 3-4 months) been advantageous. Now, however, they have ramped it up to $1 = 89p with the new box set!!!

Our prices do include VAT however whereas US prices don't, but it went down - did you hear that Apple? It went down to 15%!!!


* except iTunes, which uses the $0.99 = 79p rate - tut tut Apple!

[Kaptajn Haddock]

Once again iPhoto has more advanced features than Aperture. Please bring Face Detection to Aperture :)

[spydr]

Once again iPhoto has more advanced features than Aperture. Please bring Face Detection to Aperture :)

I know... I hope I don't have to wait till version 3 for that. In fact I would like all the iPhoto organization features in Aperture... Faces, Places, Events etc

[johnmcboston]

I'm buying this for iMovie 09 alone. ...it seems to have got everything we could have dreamed of - now going beyond feature parity with iMovie 06 (seems archaic doesn't it? ;)).


Agreed, but I'd still like to play with it in a store first. What the manual says and how it works are two different things :)

Looks like I might be able to finally drop Final Cut Express, which still feels like it is stuck in Mac OS 9

I too had to buy FCE when the new imovie came out, in hopes to get features and ease of editing. While it is powerful, the interface does leave a lot to be desired. Maybe if you grew up using analog editing equipment it would make more sense.

With iMovie 08 it was almost impossible to ...


Aside from lack of editing control, my big problem with im08 was the fact that all movie clips showed up in the clip window - no way to folder-ize them or anything. So trying to find the one clip I want in this mass of 200 clips, all of which are expanded to show the whole clip, is the worst nightmare of all...

[spydr]

I have an idea...How about Apple offers the free upgrade of iLife 09 to all those that purchased a new system in 2009. It makes sense, huh?

I was five days shy, I should have just waited. Next time I will give more thought to my expensive impulses.

You can still 'return' it to the store and they won't charge restocking fee if you are buying it back again – your purchase date will become upgrade eligible.

[princigalli]

important things are lacking.


iDVD is horrible and unusable, Apple should integrate the Toast 9 software instead. They would save in (bad) development costs and make huge advances in quality.

Final Cut Studio is seriously obsolete and needs an update very badly. DVD Studio Pro is unchanged since Final Cut Studio 1, while Compressor should be corrected in many ways. Final Cut Pro itself needs serious updates. Of course many are considering move to Adobe CS4, which makes sense, not just because it is more advanced, but mainly because I am confident Adobe is more committed to keeping their software package up to date.

Apple updated Final Cut Studio once in a while, if their development team is not busy with Itunes or Iphone, and if Steve Jobs is in the mood for video. This is no way to make us feel safe in the long run when investing on Apple Editing solutions.

[Saladinos]

You are mistaken - it is £149 - but I agree that even that is a complete rip-off. When is Apple going to wake up to the fact that the combined international market is much larger than the US??!! Imagine the profits if even just Mac market share in Europe matched the US?! :eek:

Looks like Apple has adjusted its exchange rates owing to the weak pound. Up until now we've been getting $1 = 59p * which has recently (last 3-4 months) been advantageous. Now, however, they have ramped it up to $1 = 89p with the new box set!!!

Our prices do include VAT however whereas US prices don't, but it went down - did you hear that Apple? It went down to 15%!!!


* except iTunes, which uses the $0.99 = 79p rate - tut tut Apple!

That said, iTunes doesn't seem to be increasing song prices in the UK. I've found no mention of the new tiered system anywhere on Apple's UK site. There's mention of it on the US site's "Hot News" section, but the UK "Hot News" markedly omits the last few sentences about price changes in April.

If that's true, we're getting DRM-free for the same price even after April. Sweet!

[numbersyx]

Once again iPhoto has more advanced features than Aperture. Please bring Face Detection to Aperture :)

Yes but a different audience in Aperture which is heavy duty enhancement as opposed to a more consumer family approach in iLife. I use Aperture and wouldn't be bothered using events based on faces or places...

[numbersyx]

That said, iTunes doesn't seem to be increasing song prices in the UK. I've found no mention of the new tiered system anywhere on Apple's UK site. There's mention of it on the US site's "Hot News" section, but the UK "Hot News" markedly omits the last few sentences about price changes in April.

If that's true, we're getting DRM-free for the same price even after April. Sweet!

I'd wait and see on that one. Apple has a trend of charging higher European prices for their services...

[numbersyx]

Here you go:
Mac Mini vs
Dell Studio Hybrid.

On one corner the Mini:
1.8 ghz C2duo, 1 gb, 80 gbhd = 645$ (canadian)

On the other corner Dell:
2ghz C2duo, 2gb, 160gbhd (you have to custom add the wifi and wireless keyboard/mouse = 635$ (Canadian).


Plus, the Dell is as cute as the mini (-opinion-)

one/zero

You forgot to add that the Mini has Mac OS X and that the Dell has Windows Vista. Sort of balances it a bit.