New Imacs Set To Arrive In Febuary

[panatha]

apparently new iMacs are set to be realeased in febuary with new specs but same design. I hope so. What do you guys think?

[Apocrathia]

apparently new iMacs are set to be realeased in febuary with new specs but same design. I hope so. What do you guys think?

This is the rumor that is floating in 700 other threads. I really hope it's true. A lot of us are riding on the 27th of this month for a silent update. Only time will tell.

[Soxy]

apparently new iMacs are set to be realeased in febuary with new specs but same design. I hope so. What do you guys think?

ugh I hope a mod deletes this thread before it spawns another 8 months of idiocy.

[gr81mgbgt]

This is just speculation. You cant wait for every update. You will be waiting every year.

[fat daddy]

Ya know. I have read this forum every day since October. Back when I decided to buy a iMac. The first thing I read is, wait until November, a update will happen. So I wait. Then nothing happens. Then it's wait until Macworld, a update will happen. Then nothing happens. What I have learned from all this is.... I am a idiot.

[gr81mgbgt]

haha.... so do i. I'm not waiting anymore.

[Lesser Evets]

it is ALWAYS better to wait.

When you purchase on a pissy-fit the time flies and three months later you are holding some crap while the new-shiny laughs in your broke face.

Just take it easy guys.

[AlexisV]

What they going to put in it? No interesting Core 2 architecture and a GPU upgrade isn't going to set things on fire.

The logical thing would be for an upgrade when mobile Core i7 comes out in the spring.

If anything, I'd expect i7 Mac Pros in Feb and iMacs with Snow Leopard in April.

[rust.puppet]

im hoping for i7's, nvidia chips standard, max 8gig ram or higher, higher ghz models, LED's whatever.... im just hoping they are out in february or sooner. i cant live with this 1.5ghz laptop with 1/4th a gig of ram.

[stuarthatto]

Its always better to wait.

Just think, back in 1981 if you had bought one of those shiny newfangled IBM PC 5150's you would be kicking yourself now when you could have waited for an iMac.

Wait a couple more years I am sure Apple will bring out something better for you.
:)

[avionicsman]

The new USB ver 3.0 is set to release 2nd quarter of 09. Maybe the new iMac will have this technology when they are released in June???

[AGSHender]

Its always better to wait.

Just think, back in 1981 if you had bought one of those shiny newfangled IBM PC 5150's you would be kicking yourself now when you could have waited for an iMac.

Wait a couple more years I am sure Apple will bring out something better for you.
:)

It's not always better to wait. If you have immediate need for something, I say buy. If you suspect an update is coming soon and you can wait, then wait. There have been a lot of hints that the iMac and Mac Mini will have new releases early in the year, so any trepidation about waiting is probably anticipation and not about a lack of need.

[Tallest Skil]

The new USB ver 3.0 is set to release 2nd quarter of 09. Maybe the new iMac will have this technology when they are released in June???

Uh, no it isn't. USB 3.0 won't be out until 2010.

im hoping for i7's, nvidia chips standard, max 8gig ram or higher, higher ghz models, LED's whatever.... im just hoping they are out in february or sooner. i cant live with this 1.5ghz laptop with 1/4th a gig of ram.

APPLE DOESN'T USE DESKTOP CHIPS. There won't be a Nehalem iMac until 2010!

What they going to put in it? No interesting Core 2 architecture and a GPU upgrade isn't going to set things on fire.

The logical thing would be for an upgrade when mobile Core i7 comes out in the spring.

If anything, I'd expect i7 Mac Pros in Feb and iMacs with Snow Leopard in April.

You'd better mean next spring. They'll put Montevina-clocked chips in it, because it doesn't use Montevina-clocked chips yet.

[avionicsman]

you are right Tallest! USB 3.0 in 2010. Guess the kids can have my iMac then and I will get the new one in June 2010.

[Applenewbie99]

What do people think of the posability of a hardware update announced by mid March??:)

[uicandrew]

apparently new iMacs are set to be realeased in febuary with new specs but same design. I hope so. What do you guys think?

since you don't know it, shouldn't you add a question mark to the end of your statement?

so it is more of a question instead of a declaration.

Why don't I start a thread that is titled

"New imacs set to arrive on Feb 3rd"

[kurosov]

since you don't know it, shouldn't you add a question mark to the end of your statement?

so it is more of a question instead of a declaration.

Why don't I start a thread that is titled

"New imacs set to arrive on Feb 3rd"



Its more speculation than a question. The sentence starting with "apparently" showsa that. A question mark at the end would be nonsensical.

[Soxy]

Its more speculation than a question. The sentence starting with "apparently" showsa that. A question mark at the end would be nonsensical.

Actually apparently makes it sound like you have some real evidence, source or inside knowledge that puts across the perception to readers that you know something for sure.

Semantics are important. Make it clear you don't know anything and are just posting random stuff, thanks!

[nitrotg]

Here we go again with the guesswork.. No way im waiting anymore.. placed an ordre yesterday..

and im sure ill be glad for it.. even though it take 3 weeks to arrive :/

[Mikeymyk11]

No matter what everyone always says its always gonna be next month.. doesnt come in November, it'll be December.. not december, January at Macworld, Not January, itll be february, no one knows but lets hope its this month or Feb or im giving up

[Enigmafan420]

it is ALWAYS better to wait.

When you purchase on a pissy-fit the time flies and three months later you are holding some crap while the new-shiny laughs in your broke face.

Just take it easy guys.

Except for using that logic-you would NEVER buy anything new (at least any new electronics device) ever again.

I have been buying computers since my first Apple 2+ in 1981. Clearly things have changed since then. If you choose to wait for the best, you will only have it for 6 months anyway.

I want a new mini really bad because my old 1.83 would be PERFECT in the living room as a media server for the TV. That being said, I don't NEED it. If I did, I would buy one now. If you need it now, get it. If you want the newest/best, be prepared to be disappointed no longer than 6 months after your purchase.

[Hellhammer]

Except for using that logic-you would NEVER buy anything new (at least any new electronics device) ever again.

I have been buying computers since my first Apple 2+ in 1981. Clearly things have changed since then. If you choose to wait for the best, you will only have it for 6 months anyway.

I want a new mini really bad because my old 1.83 would be PERFECT in the living room as a media server for the TV. That being said, I don't NEED it. If I did, I would buy one now. If you need it now, get it. If you want the newest/best, be prepared to be disappointed no longer than 6 months after your purchase.

You're right man. You don't need newest if it doesn't have anything that you want to wait. If you just surf in the net and send e-mails you don't need much from your computer.

[stuarthatto]

It's not always better to wait. If you have immediate need for something, I say buy. If you suspect an update is coming soon and you can wait, then wait. There have been a lot of hints that the iMac and Mac Mini will have new releases early in the year, so any trepidation about waiting is probably anticipation and not about a lack of need.

I guess sarcasm is wasted on some.

I was *joking*. No-one NEEDS the next greatest shiniest Mac - Apple haven't yet created the need. People who NEED the latest and greatest only need it for one reason - badges, trophies, medals.

[Hellhammer]

I guess sarcasm is wasted on some.

I was *joking*. No-one NEEDS the next greatest shiniest Mac - Apple haven't yet created the need. People who NEED the latest and greatest only need it for one reason - badges, trophies, medals.

There are people who needs the best like gamers and graphic people.

[kurosov]

There are people who needs the best like gamers and graphic people.

No, they dont. They did perfectly fine before the latest and greatest was released.

Not even games have been pushing the limits of todays latest and greatest hardware.

[stuarthatto]

No, they dont. They did perfectly fine before the latest and greatest was released.

Not even games have been pushing the limits of todays latest and greatest hardware.

Thank you - very well put...

[amk29j]

Here's my philosophy...

Unless you need it immediately, wait until the next release. If you buy it when it is just updated it will be newer longer. If they update it and you don't like the update, you can usually find the older version refurbished or at a reduced price and you should get that. This way you win either way. You get the newest for longer or you get the older for cheaper.

I wouldn't get an iMac now unless I really needed it (or I could afford it). I'd wait, even if the next update is in June. If I think the update isn't worth the price, I'd get the iMacs they have now for a cheaper price hopefully.

[iMacmatician]

This is the rumor that is floating in 700 other threads. I really hope it's true. A lot of us are riding on the 27th of this month for a silent update. Only time will tell.That or end of February. I'm hoping for the 65 W quad-core CPUs, although the worst case is that we'll have a 133/267 MHz speed bump.

[Apocrathia]

That or end of February. I'm hoping for the 65 W quad-core CPUs, although the worst case is that we'll have a 133/267 MHz speed bump.

I'm more interested in getting DDR3 & the Nvidia chipsets than a speed bump. The 3.06 is more than enough power.

[ncbill]

Forget the iMacs - Apple's had a hard time making one without defects lately (vertical lines class-action lawsuit coming up!)

When will we see the new Minis?!

[bilbo--baggins]

What do people think of the posability of a hardware update announced by mid March??:)

I'd be really surprised and disappointed if they didn't. Would seem more likely a quiet revision than a big media presentation though. Even if they added Blue-ray across the range it would be embarrassingly late to make a big deal of it.

[Soxy]

No, they dont. They did perfectly fine before the latest and greatest was released.

Not even games have been pushing the limits of todays latest and greatest hardware.

No, you're wrong, a 9800 in the iMac would be a vast improvement for gamers.

I'm holding out on buying this generation for that exact reason.

[WChurchill]

Following this and other Mac site rumors accompanied by inaction on the part of Apple has given me pause in my inclination to give Mac a try.

As this is a Mac site I must state (confess?) that I have been a PC type since they came into existence (I am older than many on this site I suspect). In fact I have purchased millions of dollars (no lie) worth of PC's on behalf of my employer. I am not a propeller head (no offence intended), just a mid level manager.

Blah, blah, blah...in any event...just my two bits...I very accidently ended up getting sold on the iPhone last summer, then an iPod. I liked them so much that I started researching other Mac products (personal, not for work), however if Apple is reading this my opinion means dollars. I liked what I saw and spoke to a few friends who echoed the much stated phrase..."once you go Mac you never go back".

Sooooo....being moderately tech savvy and interested in new tech experiences...I started monitoring the Apple site as well as related sites such as this. All looked good and I put away few $ for a venture into the world of Mac (My current PC is at outer edge of its lifecycle).

Since then I have experienced the same agony as many others I have read on this site and others. I speak of those interested in either switching from PC or upgrading with another Mac. Most seemed to wonder what is taking so long as most PC vendors upgrade with great fluidity, ie: far more market responsive.

I don't have any questions, or answers for that matter...Just wanted to state for the record, somewhere, that what Apple is not doing may cost them interested and potentially lucrative clients in the future.

Regards....W

[Mike in Kansas]

Following this and other Mac site rumors accompanied by inaction on the part of Apple has given me pause in my inclination to give Mac a try.

As this is a Mac site I must state (confess?) that I have been a PC type since they came into existence (I am older than many on this site I suspect). In fact I have purchased millions of dollars (no lie) worth of PC's on behalf of my employer. I am not a propeller head (no offence intended), just a mid level manager.

Blah, blah, blah...in any event...just my two bits...I very accidently ended up getting sold on the iPhone last summer, then an iPod. I liked them so much that I started researching other Mac products (personal, not for work), however if Apple is reading this my opinion means dollars. I liked what I saw and spoke to a few friends who echoed the much stated phrase..."once you go Mac you never go back".

Sooooo....being moderately tech savvy and interested in new tech experiences...I started monitoring the Apple site as well as related sites such as this. All looked good and I put away few $ for a venture into the world of Mac (My current PC is at outer edge of its lifecycle).

Since then I have experienced the same agony as many others I have read on this site and others. I speak of those interested in either switching from PC or upgrading with another Mac. Most seemed to wonder what is taking so long as most PC vendors upgrade with great fluidity, ie: far more market responsive.

I don't have any questions, or answers for that matter...Just wanted to state for the record, somewhere, that what Apple is not doing may cost them interested and potentially lucrative clients in the future.

Regards....W

It does appear that many of the Apple computers are on a longer life cycle than their PC counterparts. But do the constant upgrades that the PC makers put out really amount to a better user experience? Or are they just jamming 10 pounds of computer crap into a 5 lb. bucket? Apple on the other hand not just updates the processors, but also tries to make design improvements in their upgrades.

The way that the PC makers keep one-upping each other smacks of the megapixel wars that the camera manufacturers are fighting. Putting 10+ megapixels into a point and shoot is ridiculous, as you can't hardly get a noise free image above ISO 400. Trying to convince the public that you need a 24 megapixel full frame sensor in a DLSR is just as bad, yet Canon, Nikon and Sony are doing just that.

I decided last August to stop waiting and just get the iMac, even though at that time the rumor mill suggested that there would be a silent upgrade in September. Here is is January and still nothing has happened. But I have had 5 months of bliss with my new iMac and have loved moving away from PC over these past 5 months. I shoot and process 12 megapixel RAW images, shoot and process mpeg files from a HDD camcorder, and game. The 24" 2.8 iMac has been a gem, and doesn't hold me back at all.

[tMac85]

god. no offense but newbies need to be on here for a while, not allowed to post and read read read.

[Vanilla Thunder]

New iMacs in September..no October...no November...no etc. ad infinitum reductio ad absurdum.

[jammyf]

god. no offense but newbies need to be on here for a while, not allowed to post and read read read.

That's fairly rude to be honest. A large number of posts on here is in no way correlated to knowledge.

[tMac85]

sorry i didnt mean it towards knowledge.

just the fact that most of the time their questions and new threads can be found through previous threads.

sorry if it came of rude. but its true . youll see if you stick around!:D

[jammyf]

sorry i didnt mean it towards knowledge.

just the fact that most of the time their questions and new threads can be found through previous threads.

sorry if it came of rude. but its true . youll see if you stick around!:D

no dramas..fair point. I agree on the searching...:)

[Alex72]

im hoping for i7's, nvidia chips standard, max 8gig ram or higher, higher ghz models, LED's whatever.... im just hoping they are out in february or sooner. i cant live with this 1.5ghz laptop with 1/4th a gig of ram.

I'm assuming you mean you have a G4/1.5 with 256MB of RAM..? If that's the case, you might want to bump it up to at least 768MB or more (might as well max it out -- I think you can go up to 2GB in the 15", 1.25GB in the 12"). The performance improvement should be fairly dramatic. It would buy you some real breathing room while waiting for the new iMacs.

[TheSelfishGene]

APPLE DOESN'T USE DESKTOP CHIPS.

Apple doesn't, but Dell does.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-xps-a2420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&ref=dthp&s=dhs

[Flying Dutchman]

Apple doesn't, but Dell does.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-xps-a2420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&ref=dthp&s=dhs

...SO?

[stratosigma]

god. no offense but newbies need to be on here for a while, not allowed to post and read read read.

That would have been most interesting had the site begun that way.

[Tallest Skil]

Apple doesn't, but Dell does.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/desktop-xps-a2420?c=us&cs=19&l=en&ref=dthp&s=dhs

Having absolutely nothing to do with anything that Apple will ever do.

[TheSelfishGene]

Having absolutely nothing to do with anything that Apple will ever do.

It puts pressure on them to design a quad-core iMac.

[Tallest Skil]

It puts pressure on them to design a quad-core iMac.

Sure it does. Just like Blu-ray in desktops and laptops puts pressure on Apple to give OS X HDCP support.

Just like good graphics cards in i7 gaming rigs puts pressure on Apple to release current GPUs in the Gainestown (NOT Core i7) Mac Pro...

Just like FireWire in digital cameras puts pressure on Apple to have FireWire ports on their computers.

Just like eSATA ports on a lot of better computers puts pressure on Apple to add eSATA to the Mac Pro.

[Flying Dutchman]

Sure it does. Just like Blu-ray in desktops and laptops puts pressure on Apple to give OS X HDCP support.

Just like good graphics cards in i7 gaming rigs puts pressure on Apple to release current GPUs in the Gainestown (NOT Core i7) Mac Pro...

Just like FireWire in digital cameras puts pressure on Apple to have FireWire ports on their computers.

Just like eSATA ports on a lot of better computers puts pressure on Apple to add eSATA to the Mac Pro.
Ok, so even though Tallest Skil keeps being quite the sarcasm bastard (really its annoying), he has a point. ***** the whole idea of anybody putting any pressure on Apple any time at all. Netbooks; Apple chills. Monteniva? Apple just gives a semi update. And you know what, its working out just fine, 'caus, you can say whatever you like about their strategy, everybody is still buying their stuff.

[Lesser Evets]

Except for using that logic-you would NEVER buy anything new (at least any new electronics device) ever again.


By your logic I would still be using my first Apple II+ from 1983....

OH WAIT! I AM!

[xgman]

I assume apple doesn't like to leak when bumps are coming because it would slow current stock sales. regardless of the rumors it would seem likely for some sort of bump soon and therefore warrant a bit more waiting if you are in the market and can hold off a bit longer.

[Soxy]

It puts pressure on them to design a quad-core iMac.

eh, generally I hate to agree with Tallest Skil just because of how confrontational he is, but he's pretty right in this respect.

While it's true Apple cannot straightup ignore external pressures from those perceived as competitors, it's nowhere near the sort you'd expect between say, Dell and Acer, Apple are pretty free to follow their own schedule.

Obviously this would be nullified if they left their technology behind 10 years, but all you need to do is look at their history to recognise 6 or even 12 months is really nothing.

Nobody would buy a Dell Desktop for £1500 if it had a C2D, 2GB of DDR2667 and an 8800 which are also essentially laptop components, yet current gen iMac's sell like ****ing hotcakes at the same price. The customer base is quite different.

[TheSelfishGene]

Blu-ray actively competes with AppleTV and iTunes. That's why it will not be included for a very, very long time (whatever SJ says publically).

SJ has always been anti-gaming, and gaming capacity has never been anything but a ephemeral desire with Apple. Apple wants gaming in the sense that gaming should come to Apple on Apple's schedule. And having a high-end card gives the Mac Pro another selling point to the hardcore (note the occasional poster on Macrumors saying they got the Mac Pro instead of an iMac).

Apple has always had Firewire, as a holdover from it's graphic artist days. It's starting to drop Firewire to save money in a recession, not because it's an inferior protocol.

Quad-core is a pretty big selling point to the average consumer however.

[Tallest Skil]

Ok, so even though Tallest Skil keeps being quite the sarcasm bastard (really its annoying), he has a point. ***** the whole idea of anybody putting any pressure on Apple any time at all. Netbooks; Apple chills. Monteniva? Apple just gives a semi update. And you know what, its working out just fine, 'caus, you can say whatever you like about their strategy, everybody is still buying their stuff.

I'm truly sorry that what I say just happens to be reality.

No, seriously, I am. I want them to be pressured into actually being innovative and ahead of the curve on things other than just design again. They focused on EVERYTHING with the original iMac. They were incredibly forward thinking with that thing; no floppy, no legacy ports, crazy design...

They just need to catch the "bleeding-edge hardware" wave again, is all.

Get us some USB 3.0 before anyone else, give the Mac Pro FireWire 3200, pop some eSATA on the pro products...

But not Blu-ray. That's just dumb. :cool:

[XboxEvolved]

It is completely possible that Apple puts an i7 in there. The i7s are scheduled for gaming laptops in the summer of 09, so putting it in something bigger than a laptop is completely feasible, and Apple getting an intel product before hand is completely possible also.

These updates using an nVidia board aren't speculation, they are fact, and chances are that the nvidia tech in the iMac will use something like SLI when it is used. If I had to guess the "low end" 24 in will replace the lowend 20 specs, and the highest end iMac will be at least an i7 with a nVidia chipset, and probably a nVidia 9800GT 512MB. It is incredibly possible to do this, especially at the price of the highend iMac.

Now I don't think they will use nothing but i7s, but I also don't think they will go to the lowerend quadcores iNtel has been using either.

As for Blu-Ray, Apple will have to comply and put Blu-Ray burners in at least the Mac Pro. It will probably be incredibly costly, but it will happen this year.

[Ambrose Chapel]

Is some variant of quad-core still the most likely processor to end up in this next iMac rev? Or is there really nothing else they can get but a small Penryn speed bump? I'm not too up-to-speed on the current Intel lineup.

Also, Tallest Skil- why are you so certain Nehalem won't be put in an iMac until next year? I thought Calpella / Clarksfield is still due to be shipping in Q3/Q4 '09. Wouldn't that be the iMac-friendly flavor of Nehalem?

Maybe I'm just hoping against hope, but I really was counting on that for 2009...

[Soxy]

Is some variant of quad-core still the most likely processor to end up in this next iMac rev? Or is there really nothing else they can get but a small Penryn speed bump? I'm not too up-to-speed on the current Intel lineup.

Also, Tallest Skil- why are you so certain Nehalem won't be put in an iMac until next year? I thought Calpella / Clarksfield is still due to be shipping in Q3/Q4 '09. Wouldn't that be the iMac-friendly flavor of Nehalem?

Maybe I'm just hoping against hope, but I really was counting on that for 2009...

The quadcore in the speedbump is unlikely, I can see them putting quadcores (none-i7) in the lower end models once the iMac goes i7 but not before, such an architecture change would be too much work for a bump.

Nehalem could be in 6 months, it could be in 12, it could be in 18, the only thing that suggests they'll come sooner rather than later is how the current iMac doesn't have much life left in it in way of upgrades.

They could put true Montevina chips in the current iMac (Right now they're Penryn's overclocked to pretty much the same spec) with a bit of a ghz boost and better consumption, that combined with a memory upgrade up to a max of 6 or 8gb, and 9xxx graphics cards would be a decent bump.

They'll either speedbump then wait till the end of 09/first half of 2010 or ignore the speedbump and get those i7's in late summer/autumn.

[Tallest Skil]

The i7s are scheduled for gaming laptops in the summer of 09...

Q3 2009.

and Apple getting an intel product before hand is completely possible also.

They got Woodcrest two weeks early. That's it. I don't see why they would get anything else early.

As for Blu-Ray, Apple will have to comply and put Blu-Ray burners in at least the Mac Pro. It will probably be incredibly costly, but it will happen this year.

They don't have to comply with anything. It won't happen until 2015. Don't question me; I have a logical argument.

Also, Tallest Skil- why are you so certain Nehalem won't be put in an iMac until next year? I thought Calpella / Clarksfield is still due to be shipping in Q3/Q4 '09. Wouldn't that be the iMac-friendly flavor of Nehalem?

Yeah, Clarksfield is due for Q3/Q4, but I take it that it will be Q4 before production, so it would be a late Q4 release if it's this year.

[Ambrose Chapel]

thanks for the info. i guess i'll just keep my fingers crossed that intel can start pumping out clarksfields in time for a holiday 09 iMac refresh... COME ON INTEL!!

[iMacmatician]

If I had to guess the "low end" 24 in will replace the lowend 20 specs, I'm assuming you mean the other way around? Although I'd say that's a fairly optimistic spec bump.

and the highest end iMac will be at least an i7No Core i7. Too hot.

Now I don't think they will use nothing but i7s, but I also don't think they will go to the lowerend quadcores iNtel has been using either.We'll be lucky if we get any quad-core in any iMac besides the highest-end one.

Is some variant of quad-core still the most likely processor to end up in this next iMac rev? Or is there really nothing else they can get but a small Penryn speed bump? I'm not too up-to-speed on the current Intel lineup.Either one will work, depending on what Apple wants to put in there. Quad-core prices I believe are similar or lower than equivalent GHz dual-cores. But we may not see quad-cores in the 20" iMacs for heat reasons.

[spcdust]

Q3 2009.

....It won't happen until 2015. Don't question me; I have a logical argument.

Oh joy, how I remember the arrogance of being a 19 year old:p:p:p

spcdust

[Apocrathia]

Oh joy, how I remember the arrogance of being a 19 year old:p:p:p

spcdust

+1, lol.

[superbungalow]

Oh joy, how I remember the arrogance of being a 19 year old:p:p:p

spcdust

Epic win.

[Tallest Skil]

Oh joy, how I remember the arrogance of being a 19 year old:p:p:p

Apple doesn't like the licensing and HDCP. While I haven't read too much into it, I don't see a change in the Blu-ray DRM policy any time soon. Perhaps it won't even happen until the 400GB Blu-ray disks are mainstream and we're watching Super Hi-Vision movies with them. Little segue here: Super Hi-Vision compressed to MPEG-2 is 600Mb/s. I don't want to get into all the conversions and size changes here, but this will be available as a release on Blu-ray disks FAR before the U.S. broadband network can manage something of this nature for downloads (much less STORAGE on a computer as Apple wishes!); heck, FIOS maxes out at only 50Mb/s right now! Now, when our televisions are 7680x4320 (Super Hi-Vision resolution), 1080p video downloads in iTunes will have just become available to everyone (available in terms of the affordability of broadband speeds fast enough to handle such a download in a reasonable amount of time, in addition to having computers with the storage to hold said videos in iTunes... We'll have seen the demise of the 20" iMac by then, because it would be bad marketing in Apple's eyes to make a screen below 1920x1200 resolution). But, as I said, the availability of 1080p for download on the fly (hard to imagine now) will be made somewhat insignificant by the onset of 7680x4320 movies on disks and such a download would take over 10x the time needed to go to Wal-Mart and buy a 400GB Blu-ray disk with said resolution movie on it.

So, in a roundabout way of saying it, when Super Hi-Vision is the new standard for video resolution, that is when we will see Blu-ray in Macs, because nationwide broadband will NOT be able to catch up in time barring the discovery of a true room temperature superconductor. And not the one they have right now. That thing just barely hits what scientists call "room temperature" (room temperature to them is "above the liquefaction point of nitrogen" so that the material–a ceramic, in this case–can be cooled to the point of superconductivity very cheaply).

Wait... where was I going? Okay, Super Hi-Vision... 400GB Blu-ray disks... a room-temperature superconductor for nationwide broadband infrastructure... oh, yeah.

We'll see Blu-ray in Macs around 2015. :D This date is based on the first adoption of Super Hi-Vision as a broadcast format (Japan in 2012 for TV), a cheapening of those 400GB Blu-ray disks (because of mass production), and TV manufacturers' greed toward the American people, because once we ALL have HDTVs, they'll break out the "Oh, 1080p sucks! Here! Look at 4320p!" argument and we'll start to see that resolution of TV come out. Of course, the first 7680x4320 Blu-ray movies will have to have 1920x1080 copies on the disk as well, for backwards compatibility for people without Super Hi-Vision TVs yet.

But... we MIGHT see it earlier. I just think my argument has a decent level of merit. I hope it wasn't too confusing! :o



Whoo! More typing! Okay, Blu-ray isn't the "little guy". Blu-ray is the next majority. Blu-ray is the next tyrant. Blu-ray is the next DVD. Blu-ray will be the format for disks for YEARS to come, thanks to its continued expandability. Sure, we have 25 and 50GB disks now, but there are 400GB disks (read the above for more) in the works, as well as a 1TB version later on (for those longer Super Hi-Vision movies :D).

Happy?

[spcdust]

Happy?

I'm very happy thank you for asking;)

However quoting your own previous posts doesn't actually justify your conjecture and you really need to learn to edit an argument more concisely to prevent it bordering on a rant - the point you are trying to make gets lost in the word count.

Also, why is it that when ever any one mentions Blu-Ray people immediately assume we all want it for HD video. In the hear-and-now Blu-Ray is pretty handy for archiving data of any description such as, in my case, FCP projects.

spcdust

[Hellhammer]

No, they dont. They did perfectly fine before the latest and greatest was released.

Not even games have been pushing the limits of todays latest and greatest hardware.

1. There is no such a computer that can run GTA IV smoothly. Not even the latest can run it at high graphics.

That's the cruel truth man

[Tallest Skil]

Also, why is it that when ever any one mentions Blu-Ray people immediately assume we all want it for HD video. In the hear-and-now Blu-Ray is pretty handy for archiving data of any description such as, in my case, FCP projects.

People assume we want it for HD video because that would be the deciding factor in getting Apple to give it to us. They care about the consumer–the home user.

In case you hadn't looked around recently, Apple couldn't care less about the professional scene. I talked briefly in another thread about how important backups are still done on magnetic tape cartridges. An 800GB/1.6TB cartridge runs around $40. How much do those just-beginning-to-be-produced 400GB Blu-ray disks run?

The deciding factor here is still cost. Apple is operating under the impression that anyone who needs to be doing important backups will be using magnetic tape drives connected to their local server (the data being backed up over the network) and not using 25GB Blu-ray disks. It will be easy for them to keep this idea going even after 400 and 500GB Blu-ray disks are produced en masse because of their continued high cost. I kept the full content of my other post because each of those points is important for its own reason. Now I'm even having to add information regarding tape cartridges. I could trim transitions, but it doesn't flow as well that way.

The point is, Apple is looking at more than just HDCP in their decision to exclude Blu-ray from their machines. I'm not saying that they're right in not just giving it to us, but rather that they're thinking about it... perhaps even too deeply.

[superbungalow]

Happy?

You still lose. spcdust's comment was just too win.

[Tallest Skil]

You still lose. spcdust's comment was just too win.

Mhmm... well, I suppose this goes back to that old addage: "All your carefully researched arguments based in fact can be easily ignored."

[iMacmatician]

Mhmm... well, I suppose this goes back to that old addage: "All your carefully researched arguments based in fact can be easily ignored."Epic win for you.

[Tallest Skil]

Epic win for you.

Thanks, iMacmatician. Did you set aside an hour to read my first huge post and second bit on tape backups? What did you think about my Blu-ray rationale?

[MrZebra]

Mhmm... well, I suppose this goes back to that old addage: "All your carefully researched arguments based in fact can be easily ignored."

They wouldn't if you spent a little care on trying to come across as nice as possible.

[Tallest Skil]

They wouldn't if you spent a little care on trying to come across as nice as possible.

You've confused being nice with being an Apple Realist. Years of nothing but disappointing computer updates either makes you jaded to the idea that Apple might actually release anything that some people deem "good" or it makes you into a "kool-aid drinker", constantly defending Apple on their decisions.

I try to deliver the truth as flatline as possible, but if people refuse to see that Apple no longer cares about computers, then it's best to keep them from getting their hopes up for no reason based on fact.

[MrZebra]

Years of nothing but disappointing computer updates either makes you jaded to the idea that Apple might actually relese anything that some people deem "good" or it makes you into a "kool-aid drinker", constantly defending Apple on their decisions.

It shows ;)

[Touchy]

IMHO the iMac will disappear. It's never been anything more than a Macbook in a bigger enclosure. Now that the MacBook/Pro and the 24" screen are available the iMac is redundant. Glad I didn't buy one.

[Tallest Skil]

IMHO the iMac will disappear. It's never been anything more than a Macbook in a bigger enclosure. Now that the MacBook/Pro and the 24" screen are available the iMac is redundant. Glad I didn't buy one.

So... they're going to get rid of the computer that saved them from bankruptcy in exchange for a more expensive, convoluted, not-all-in-one-and-therefore-against-Steve's-wishes system?

Oh, and in the process remove a desktop from their line?

Mhmm.

The Mac Mini is a desktop MacBook. The iMac is a desktop MacBook Pro.

[mcmonkiez]

Well new iMac set to arrive in feb or jan.. no body knows except APPLE.

and yes needs an update on that but it wont be huge update on imac in terms of design wise .. yeah nvidia chip set to be in imac but lets not forget.. just the macworld conference just finish and if imac is close to released they would have released in the conference on the 6th Jan or talk about it and tell us about the changes.. well there is was no talk about imac and inside news is imac wont be coming out very soon as apple have released their notebooks just little while ago and as a financial point of view its not good time to released any more product..

and imac the high spec is fantastic with speedy processor with speedy video card 24" LCD... great machine!


there will no imac update very soon as last update was in April 2008 and it will be in mid of this year now

there will be always new imac new macbook pro new macbook .. we wont be able to decide ever if we keep thinking that way.. get your self a machine what you need for

at this point i think 3.06 imac is fantastic machine with 4 gb ram nvidia video card for games, video editing and other hard core work you want to do.

thanks..
PS.. just generally speaking.. whats wrong with current models anyway that user are can;t go to sleep to get their hands on new imac?

[Tallest Skil]

just the macworld conference just finish and if imac is close to released they would have released in the conference on the 6th Jan or talk about it and tell us about the changes..

Except the whole point of them LEAVING the conference was to allow them to set their own release schedule.

...inside news is imac wont be coming out very soon as apple have released their notebooks just little while ago and as a financial point of view its not good time to released any more product..

Why?

[iMacmatician]

Thanks, iMacmatician. Did you set aside an hour to read my first huge post and second bit on tape backups? What did you think about my Blu-ray rationale?Read them both, I'm a fast reader.

I guess I agree somewhat on your Blu-ray rationale. If Blu-ray is going to be really "big" in the future, then it makes sense that Apple adopts it. I agree with the high cost too. Not to mention that external hard drives are quite cheap.

IMHO the iMac will disappear. It's never been anything more than a Macbook in a bigger enclosure. Now that the MacBook/Pro and the 24" screen are available the iMac is redundant. Glad I didn't buy one.That costs more.

there will no imac update very soon as last update was in April 2008 and it will be in mid of this year now So a 1~1.5-year wait before an update? Unlikely if you ask me.

at this point i think 3.06 imac is fantastic machine with 4 gb ram nvidia video card for games, video editing and other hard core work you want to do.It's not the specs as much as it is the price.

PS.. just generally speaking.. whats wrong with current models anyway that user are can;t go to sleep to get their hands on new imac?The high possibility that waiting a month or two can give us a model that is better for the same price or cheaper for similar specs.

[Touchy]

IMHO, the future is smaller, portable, virtual computing. The iMac is going to go out with a whimper! Why are the "towers" from other manufacturers that have incredible computing power so cheap and getting cheaper? It's a dying model of computing. The iMac can't hold a candle to many of them, is incredibly more expensive, and will die!

[FoxHoundADAM]

IMHO, the future is smaller, portable, virtual computing. The iMac is going to go out with a whimper! Why are the "towers" from other manufacturers that have incredible computing power so cheap and getting cheaper? It's a dying model of computing. The iMac can't hold a candle to many of them, is incredibly more expensive, and will die!So does the future also mean poor keyboard, poor screen positioning and glare, slow touchpad cursor movement, constant charging (with non removeable battery) and all with a huntched over posture?

If so count me out.

[menu]

apparently new iMacs are set to be realeased in febuary with new specs but same design. I hope so. What do you guys think?

Apparently? What/who is your sourse?

No matter what everyone always says its always gonna be next month.. doesnt come in November, it'll be December.. not december, January at Macworld, Not January, itll be february, no one knows but lets hope its this month or Feb or im giving up

Great post! Your post made me laugh. I predict the release will occur sometime after today's date! LOL :) Seriously though I am guessing the release for new MACS will happen after March 28th, 2009.

My "source" (actually guess) comes from the link from page about buying a Mini. There is a link located below the Mini picture: "Learn how to get iLife '09 for your new Mac." http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTE3MDI

iLife Update Program http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/
"iLife '09, a significant upgrade to Apple's award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications, features major new versions of iPhoto, iMovie, and GarageBand and includes iWeb and iDVD.
If you buy a qualifying Mac between January 6, 2009, and March 28, 2009, and it does not include iLife '09, you're eligible to receive iLife '09 for just $9.95 plus tax."

I hope my prediction wins me a Free Mac Mini!!! :apple: Oh how I could dream!!!

[stratosigma]

My "source" (actually guess) comes from the link from page about buying a Mini. There is a link located below the Mini picture: "Learn how to get iLife '09 for your new Mac." http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTE3MDI

iLife Update Program http://www.apple.com/ilife/uptodate/
"iLife '09, a significant upgrade to Apple's award-winning suite of digital lifestyle applications, features major new versions of iPhoto, iMovie, and GarageBand and includes iWeb and iDVD.
If you buy a qualifying Mac between January 6, 2009, and March 28, 2009, and it does not include iLife '09, you're eligible to receive iLife '09 for just $9.95 plus tax."

I hope my prediction wins me a Free Mac Mini!!! :apple: Oh how I could dream!!!

Just to fan the flames...what if they already have the new iMacs ready to go for a launch on the 25th anniversary and some of them don't have iLife '09 on them, but all production runs since MacWorld should be shipped well before March 28th?

[Touchy]

So does the future also mean poor keyboard, poor screen positioning and glare, slow touchpad cursor movement, constant charging (with non removeable battery) and all with a huntched over posture?

If so count me out.

1) Only if you are a masochist.
2) Think 10 (even 5 years) years ahead. Voice control, faster chips (or some other form), small local storage needs, virtual screens, etc
3) I'll bet "dollars to donuts" Apple and the others are looking ahead and not sticking with the format "that saved Apple". That was visionary thinking then but they have to continue that and they have better minds than mine to do it but I am looking forward to the next level.

[MacAgent84]

How many people here think Apple is waiting to release iLife '09 with the new iMacs? What a surprise that would be.

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[lukey37]

I'm sure they coming soon. John Lewis (Leading UK department store) have no stock of the Mac Pro and iMac (both 20" and 24"). It seems odd to me that such a big retailer wouldn't have any stock.

[Soxy]

I'm sure they coming soon. John Lewis (Leading UK department store) have no stock of the Mac Pro and iMac (both 20" and 24"). It seems odd to me that such a big retailer wouldn't have any stock.

Those retailers are always falling in and out of stock of all kinds of things, including Apple products, it's called being a retailer :x

[PeterQVenkman]

No, they dont. They did perfectly fine before the latest and greatest was released.

Not even games have been pushing the limits of todays latest and greatest hardware.

I disagree. With each new computer I get, it is solely to do things I could do not on the old machine.

Faster CPUs, more RAM capacity, boot camp. All of these things have a massive impact on CG work.

[iMacmatician]

New iMacs and Mac minis coming…

Was on Apple Store temporarily after a "Down for Maintenance". Wasn't there long...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dbjuyc.png

These will be announced soon but released when iWork available. [Best guess]

[Soxy]

New iMacs and Mac minis coming…

When does iLife ship?

[Tallest Skil]

When does iLife ship?

We don't know, but the 20th is looking good, apparently.

Also, if the new iMac and Mac Mini are to be released simultaneously with iLife, assuming that iLife is to be released on the 20th, then tomorrow we should see the press invitations for the conference on the 20th.

Just saying. I don't believe it will happen. :p:(

[zedsdead]

We don't know, but the 20th is looking good, apparently.

Also, if the new iMac and Mac Mini are to be released simultaneously with iLife, assuming that iLife is to be released on the 20th, then tomorrow we should see the press invitations for the conference on the 20th.

Just saying. I don't believe it will happen. :p:(

Some have mentioned that the 27th is the anniversary of the Mac, which would be perfect for a Desktop Mac-centric event.

Tallest Skil: You're pretty knowledgeable about the Intel Chips, are there any Quad-Core chips that can go in the iMac that are currently shipping.

[Tallest Skil]

Some have mentioned that the 27th is the anniversary of the Mac, which would be perfect for a Desktop Mac-centric event.

The new Mac Mini is actually the 25th Anniversary Macintosh, retailing for $9,999!

[iMacmatician]

Also, if the new iMac and Mac Mini are to be released simultaneously with iLife, assuming that iLife is to be released on the 20th, then tomorrow we should see the press invitations for the conference on the 20th.Or maybe on the 20th, we'll see the invitations for the conference on the 27th. :D

Or maybe Apple will throw us a curveball and release said invites on the 15th or 22nd, like they did with the October 14 event. :p

[keenan wolf]

Ok, Tallest Skil keeps being quite the sarcasm bastard (really its annoying),

i couldnt agree more:cool:

[NyMetsFan08]

I just hope it does happen either on the 20th, 27th, or Feb 3rd that would be awesome!!! If they were going to have an event I think they should have it on it on the 27th since that is the Mac anniversary isn't it? event or no event hopefully it happens very soon.

[gamer2502]

im hoping for i7's, nvidia chips standard, max 8gig ram or higher, higher ghz models, LED's whatever.... im just hoping they are out in february or sooner. i cant live with this 1.5ghz laptop with 1/4th a gig of ram.

please upgrade your ram 256mb is not acceptable:apple:

[Yamcha]

New iMacs and Mac minis coming…

That's not proof, someone could've just used photoshop and added the new tags =/

[iSamurai]

I haven't typed anything in the forum for a while... :P I'm also waiting for the new iMac for uni! (most unis begin in Feb below the equator)


I can just imagine someone in Apple is reading this thread and ROFLing his head off especially if they are not going to release new iMacs in Feburary.

Anyway. I went to an Apple store a few days ago, asked the Apple guy whether he knew new iMacs are coming. He responded quite generously telling me that it might only be in June as Apple usually does it then. Well, that's what he says, somewhat unreliable but you won't be disappointed if Apple doesn't release the iMac in Feb.

[Tallest Skil]

Anyway. I went to an Apple store a few days ago, asked the Apple guy whether he knew new iMacs are coming. He responded quite generously telling me that it might only be in June as Apple usually does it then. Well, that's what he says, somewhat unreliable but you won't be disappointed if Apple doesn't release the iMac in Feb.

Yeah, the people in the Apple Store know no more than we do. He's an idiot. Apple won't wait until WWDC to update.