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MacBytes
Mar 5, 2004, 10:10 AM
Link: The Warez Scene: Interview With Shoe from ShoeWarez (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040305111029)

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Plastic Chicken
Mar 5, 2004, 02:48 PM
I don't like how this article puts the warez scene in a positive light. It's not a positive "industry". It's criminal.

I don't think this interview should have been posted.

applextrent
Mar 5, 2004, 03:07 PM
I don't like how this article puts the warez scene in a positive light. It's not a positive "industry". It's criminal.

I don't think this interview should have been posted.

I realize the controversy of the topic, but that was the point of the article. It was to shine light on the other side you never hear about. The "warez industry" has always been, and always will be. However, the Mac warez scene is not like the mafia/porn ran warez scene of the PC world. Most of the Mac scene is made up of communities ran by people just like you and I, there is no business slant, and there is no profit being made.

Keep in mind, this is just the first article of this column. I left a lot to be explained, and I plan to explain things from many perspectives in the articles to come. Obviously this issue passes the stand up test, so it just makes it's points worth discussing.

--Trent L.
CEO of Apple-X.net

GaelDesign
Mar 5, 2004, 10:50 PM
I don't think this interview should have been posted.

Uh, ever hear of free speech? If Apple-X.net wants to post this, they darn well should be able to.

Jared

MrMacMan
Mar 5, 2004, 11:50 PM
Uh, ever hear of free speech? If Apple-X.net wants to post this, they darn well should be able to.

Jared

Its okay...

Every single Apple-X article is posted here... its like a perment link to their site...

Sorry Trent -- Its very true.

Plastic Chicken
Mar 6, 2004, 01:20 AM
Uh, ever hear of free speech?

Just because one can, doesn't mean one should.

applextrent
Mar 6, 2004, 03:48 AM
Its okay...

Every single Apple-X article is posted here... its like a perment link to their site...

Sorry Trent -- Its very true.

Ha. Actually, if you look under "Other Sites", there is a permeant link to my site. ;)

Anyways, a lot of our stuff does not make it on MacBytes, just typically the more interesting articles. I wish every article was. We try to post at least two articles a day on my site. So it just means my job is being done right if they are covered by other sites, such as this one. I think the bulk of our content is valid and worth while, so I don't see a problem with it.

To Plastic Chicken: I don't understand your reasoning for censorship on an issue that is real. I am not making anything up, and I not promoting warez. I am just addressing what DID happen just a few years ago. So to represent a perspective of it, I interviewed a person who helped create it. For your information, I plan to do other interviews with representatives from any respected company willing. This is a real issue and I have every right to address it, MacBytes has every right to post it, and everyone has the right to read it. If you don't like it, don't read it.

--Trent L.
CEO of Apple-X.net

nagromme
Mar 6, 2004, 04:15 AM
I see in the article comments, the same defense of piracy that you see among iTunes haters who think music should be free. To paraphrase:

"'Stealing' is an informal term for piracy, not the legally accurate phrasing. Therefore pirating someone's creation--against their will and without compensation--is ethical."

OK.... :D

Plastic Chicken
Mar 6, 2004, 09:31 AM
I imagine it won't be promoting warez once the whole suite of articles are up, but by itself this article does actually, though perhaps not explicitly, promote warez.

Firstly, it inspires interest in the topic. Those who may have given only a passing effort at finding warez and failed may try again. Those who never knew that warez existed (or perhaps those that knew that they existed but never considered them something personally obtainable) may now try to get them.

Secondly, the interview portrays warez in a very real light, and more than simply real, it has the *tone* that warez is normal and acceptable. Its illegality is implied in passing but never emphasized. If the purpose of the article is to educate, it this important point its due.

Yes it's real, and yes it's truth, that's good, but _currently_ it's very one sided.

Now that being said, this may all be cleared when you add more articles to the series.

applextrent
Mar 6, 2004, 03:56 PM
I see in the article comments, the same defense of piracy that you see among iTunes haters who think music should be free. To paraphrase:

"'Stealing' is an informal term for piracy, not the legally accurate phrasing. Therefore pirating someone's creation--against their will and without compensation--is ethical."

OK.... :D

It saddens me it even has to come to this but:
The Apple-X Network is not responsible for the content of 3rd party links, or material (including interviews). The Apple-X Network is also not responsible and can not be held responsible for the claims and/or actions of advertisers/advertisements (including 3rd party press releases). The comments are property of their posters, all the rest 2001-2004 Apple-X Network.

It is on the footer on every page of my site. I don't know what else to tell you.

--Trent L.
CEO of Apple-X.net

applextrent
Mar 6, 2004, 04:45 PM
I imagine it won't be promoting warez once the whole suite of articles are up, but by itself this article does actually, though perhaps not explicitly, promote warez.

Firstly, it inspires interest in the topic. Those who may have given only a passing effort at finding warez and failed may try again. Those who never knew that warez existed (or perhaps those that knew that they existed but never considered them something personally obtainable) may now try to get them.

Secondly, the interview portrays warez in a very real light, and more than simply real, it has the *tone* that warez is normal and acceptable. Its illegality is implied in passing but never emphasized. If the purpose of the article is to educate, it this important point its due.

Yes it's real, and yes it's truth, that's good, but _currently_ it's very one sided.

Now that being said, this may all be cleared when you add more articles to the series.

I do not fear that people will be inspired to go on a witch hunt for warez because of this interview. The sites and people mentioned do not participate in the warez communities anymore. Sites like ShoeWarez do not exist anymore, and most likely never will. The tone of the article was intended to capture the feelings and perspectives of the time period, and I think they were captured successfully. I do agree the tone of the interview from the interviewee's perspective was one of simple realities, because thats what happened. 3-4 years ago the moral issues of downloading software were few and far between. You did not have companies screaming foul play, or the RIAA suing everyone, this was back in the Napster days remind you. People passed around warez as if they were MP3's without any moral questioning. The idea that this was illegal was foreign at this time. Thats what amazes me so much about this time period, and thats why I thought this column would be of interest to many.

Obviously a lot has changed since these days. Plus, my editor and I made several notes on the illegal nature of what we were addressing. I have also contacted several companies to get statements on their position on warez. Once I get some replies I plan to put together another article with the opposing perspective. This is a very controversial issue and has many perspectives behind it. Thats why I am taking the time to produce as many articles as necessary to try and fully cover the issues. Its called journalism.

--Trent L.
CEO of Apple-X.net

nagromme
Mar 6, 2004, 09:15 PM
I never blamed Apple-X for reader comments, and I said nothing at all about the article itself (although I can see some sense in all sides posted in this thead). Just to clarify: my paraphrase wasn't in reference to the article but to one of the comments below it.

My criticism of a posted comment didn't say anything against Apple-X.

applextrent
Mar 9, 2004, 12:12 AM
I never blamed Apple-X for reader comments, and I said nothing at all about the article itself (although I can see some sense in all sides posted in this thead). Just to clarify: my paraphrase wasn't in reference to the article but to one of the comments below it.

My criticism of a posted comment didn't say anything against Apple-X.

Hehe, ok. Sorry if I jumped down your throat a bit there, just a little defensive I guess. No worries. :)

--Trent L.
CEO of Apple-X.net