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vniow
Mar 6, 2004, 06:13 PM
NEW YORK (AP) - Peter Jackson won't be returning to the Shire any time soon. The Oscar-winning director is planning to film "The Hobbit," the prequel to "The Lord of the Rings," trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien, but two studios must first fight over legal rights to the film.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20040306/D814VP480.html

ColoJohnBoy
Mar 6, 2004, 06:20 PM
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20040306/D814VP480.html

I'm glad the AP is so aware of pop culture and Tolkien's works that they can misspell Hobbit as a fun little joke :rolleyes:

The_Dood
Mar 6, 2004, 06:41 PM
Wow... I was always pretty scared by the old animated version of The Hobbit (http://lotr.ugo.com/animation/hobbit/). I always had to close my eyes at some parts, but probably because I was just a kid then. I wonder what Jackson's version would be like...

JesseJames
Mar 6, 2004, 08:36 PM
Isn't everyone Ringed out by now? Is a total nerd-fest.

rickvanr
Mar 6, 2004, 08:42 PM
i remembering downloading a trailer of the what was supposed to be the Hobbit off of the internet... and it had scenes from it which i had never seen in any of the lotr films. Although, i havent watched the extended versions... the one scene i remember the most was that of a dragon attacking the shire... is that a scene from one of the extended versions?

Earendil
Mar 6, 2004, 09:11 PM
i remembering downloading a trailer of the what was supposed to be the Hobbit off of the internet... and it had scenes from it which i had never seen in any of the lotr films. Although, i havent watched the extended versions... the one scene i remember the most was that of a dragon attacking the shire... is that a scene from one of the extended versions?

I don't know about Dragons in the extended version of the Return of the King, But no dragon ever attacked the (hobbit's) shire in any of the books. I don't recall the Silmarillion all that well (only read it twice, when I was 13 and 16) but even then there were no hobbits, and no "shire per say, only the area and whatever it was called back than.

I'd bet you saw a really good spoof :D

Tyler
Earendil

ThomasJefferson
Mar 6, 2004, 09:14 PM
Hope they get this done before Ian (Gandalf) dies. Hes getting old.

Daveman Deluxe
Mar 6, 2004, 09:29 PM
the one scene i remember the most was that of a dragon attacking the shire... is that a scene from one of the extended versions?

One of Gandalf's fireworks at Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday was of a dragon that flew low over the crowd.

wdlove
Mar 6, 2004, 09:39 PM
I certainly hope that the studios can work out the legal issues. It sounds as though it will make a great movie. Thank you for the update vinow.

I'm not sure that I'm all that interested in a remake of "King Kong" but if Jackson is the director then I'll take a look.

solvs
Mar 6, 2004, 09:50 PM
I saw the "trailer" for the Hobbit that rickvanr is talking about. It was a fake. Very well put together... but fake nonetheless. I was reading something where a guy far geekier than myself was dissecting it piece by piece.

So to answer JesseJames' question, no, no one will ever be ringed out. How many of us nerds are still going to see the next Star Wars even after the last couple of crappy ones? At least I won't be camping out overnight, waiting in a long line.

But I know some people who will.

MacNut
Mar 7, 2004, 02:36 AM
Will the agony ever end :mad:

Savage Henry
Mar 7, 2004, 03:35 AM
Will the agony ever end :mad:

Yeah, but it creates a wealth of intelligent discussion because the spectrm of opinion is so spread, both geographically accross the globe, and qualitywise as many argue it's the best thing ever while many say that it's just dire.

Whereas you compare that to the Matrix trilogy, I don't know anybody this side of their medication who can seriously tell me that films 2 and 3 were worth wasting the 5 hours of your life that you will never get back.

hvfsl
Mar 7, 2004, 07:51 AM
If they do the Hobit right, they can easily make $1billion off it (like the LOTR films).

But isnt Peter Jackson doing King Kong next, so if he does make The Hobbit, it probably wont be until around 2006 before he starts tp make it and released around 2008.

Stelliform
Mar 7, 2004, 08:07 AM
Too bad they didn't think of this while they had all of the sets built. :D

After the success of the the other films the making of this one was inevitable.

agreenster
Mar 7, 2004, 08:35 AM
I think they ought to leave it alone. LOTR was awesome...the Hobbitt was really just a Tolkein 'warm-up' to LOTR. In fact, he had to rewrite it several times after completing LOTR to keep in 'in line' with those books. Its a nice little story, but I think it would be anti-climactic for PJ to finish his Middle Earth journey with The Hobbitt.

jeffy.dee-lux
Mar 7, 2004, 09:10 AM
I think they ought to leave it alone. LOTR was awesome...the Hobbitt was really just a Tolkein 'warm-up' to LOTR. In fact, he had to rewrite it several times after completing LOTR to keep in 'in line' with those books. Its a nice little story, but I think it would be anti-climactic for PJ to finish his Middle Earth journey with The Hobbitt.

i totally agree. very anticlimatic. Lord of the Rings is about saving the world from ... well you know. The Hobbit is the story of a bunch of dwarves that wanna have their revenge and get their money back from some dragon.
But maybe the fact that this adventure is somewhat trivial in comparisson doesn't matter. I'm sure it'd still be a cool movie. I'd love to see how they do smaug, and the spider scene would be pretty cool. Who would play Beorn though, that giant bear guy. How bout that huge guy from the green mile and uhh... the kingpin from daredevil. Andre the giant coulda been great too. The bigger the guy, the better the actor! I'd also really like to see how they do the goblin's. I could never really find any description of them in the books. I just picture them as more lanky, angular versions of orcs.
but i dunno, i think i'd really prefer it if they just left it alone, leave it at the LOTR trilogy, don't sell out like everyone does.

Krizoitz
Mar 7, 2004, 10:12 AM
Who would play Beorn though, that giant bear guy. How bout that huge guy from the green mile and uhh... the kingpin from daredevil. Andre the giant coulda been great too. The bigger the guy, the better the actor!

Michael Clarke Duncan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0003817/) is the actor your thinking of.

Also a possibility Robbie Coltrane (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/) who plays Hagrid in the Harry Potter movies, of course since they are ongoing he might not be available.

ColoJohnBoy
Mar 7, 2004, 12:31 PM
Hope they get this done before Ian (Gandalf) dies. Hes getting old.

He's not that old, only 64. Ian Holm, on the other hand, is 73. Hopefully when PJ gets around to making it, he'll be game to play Bilbo again.

jeffy.dee-lux
Mar 7, 2004, 12:39 PM
He's not that old, only 64. Ian Holm, on the other hand, is 73. Hopefully when PJ gets around to making it, he'll be game to play Bilbo again.

isn't bilbo supposed to be like 40 something in the hobbit? I think they'd have to find someone else. I think i'd find the 12 dwarves quite entertaining, same goes for the trolls, what with their thick accents...

MacXP
Mar 7, 2004, 02:39 PM
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20040306/D814VP480.html

You can find further info here: http://www.macminer.com/index.cgi?u=hobbit&ii=1. Seems it's been in the works for some months already.

MacXP

Mantat
Mar 7, 2004, 02:47 PM
Btw, the end battle in the Hobit is as epic as the one in RotK. I guess you will have to read the book again... In my mind, its even more heroic because of the number of parties involved...

AngryLawnGnome
Mar 7, 2004, 03:18 PM
I both love and hate learning about movies in the works. I can't wait to see The Hobbit, but that's exactly the problem. I can't wait. I just have to hope I forget about it soon.

howard
Mar 7, 2004, 06:57 PM
i'm glad there making it, but i'm glad it won't be for awhile...your right we're all "ringed" out... but in 5-10 years from now most everyone will have forgetten about all the hype and it'll be fresh again... just forget about it and then get excited for when you see the previews

(thats what i'm doing with any info on ender's game)

raynegus
Mar 7, 2004, 09:33 PM
At least Leonard Nimoy is supporting the project.

http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/bilbo.mov

:D

Stelliform
Mar 7, 2004, 09:57 PM
i totally agree. very anticlimatic. Lord of the Rings is about saving the world from ... well you know. The Hobbit is the story of a bunch of dwarves that wanna have their revenge and get their money back from some dragon.

Along those lines, maybe he could rewrite the end to return of the king to include the scourge of the Shire. I think it was a much better ending to Sauromon. (I don't think that is how you spell it...) Also I found the bar scene at the end a little awkward. It kind of implied that the Hobbits were just normal in the shire and not the heros that they became. In the book it was much more interesting how they saved the Shire by themselves. (Although my butt was pleading for the movie to end by the time gandalf got to Mt. Doom. :D)

rickvanr
Mar 7, 2004, 10:43 PM
One of Gandalf's fireworks at Bilbo's eleventy-first birthday was of a dragon that flew low over the crowd.

that wasnt it
it didnt look like a real dragon
the one i saw did, and it wasnt a nazgul either...

jeffy.dee-lux
Mar 8, 2004, 07:37 AM
Btw, the end battle in the Hobit is as epic as the one in RotK. I guess you will have to read the book again... In my mind, its even more heroic because of the number of parties involved...


lol, i actually just finished reading it about a month ago...
sure it was a big battle, what with the dwarves, men, elves, goblins, wargs, and the eagles and all... but i dunno, it wasn't nearly as important, and it wasn't at all on the same scale. The were like hundreds of each race, nothing like the 10s of thousands involved in the battle at gondor..., and i mean, common, the oliphaunts! they're so cool, while of course they weren't mentioned in that part of the book... whatever! the dwarves were only coming down to fight the men and elves because of the stupid treasure and all that, then they were all taken by surprise by the real bad guys, didn't even know it was coming. In LOTR, they all kinda knew the end of the world was on the way. oh man, i feel like a nerd, my girlfriend better not see this somehow...

Mr. Anderson
Mar 8, 2004, 07:57 AM
sure it was a big battle, what with the dwarves, men, elves, goblins, wargs, and the eagles and all...

Ah, but see, that's more than enough for the movie to work. There are a lot of things going on, and even if its not as grand a scale, it will still be cool. Also, there's no reason to say there won't be thousands in the battle - and a fire breathing dragon :D

Since he's doing King Kong next, it will give us all a little breather from the Middle Earth for a while and it will be a lot of fun having all the dwarves running around.

D

Hemingray
Mar 8, 2004, 10:33 AM
Also a possibility Robbie Coltrane (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001059/) who plays Hagrid in the Harry Potter movies, of course since they are ongoing he might not be available.

I don't see it being too much of a problem... doing more than one movie at once is fairly common, isn't it?

Sayhey
Mar 8, 2004, 11:17 AM
I'm glad that Jackson is interested in doing it and that he wants McKellen back as Gandalf. I would think that Hugo Weaving returning as Elrond is the only other character that would be necessary. After seeing what Jackson did with the Nazgul, the Balrog, and Shelob, I can't wait to see how Smaug is done.

Josh
Mar 8, 2004, 11:38 AM
This is the best news I've heard all day - really made my day!!

I once believed that I would never see another movie after LOTR - because, well, there is no point since it is the best movie that ever had and ever will be made, surely there was no point in seeing others.

But now, there is a reason to go back!

Smaug will be cool too...(btw...was it Maya that they are doing the animating in??)

crainial77
Mar 8, 2004, 09:46 PM
Along those lines, maybe he could rewrite the end to return of the king to include the scourge of the Shire. I think it was a much better ending to Sauromon. (I don't think that is how you spell it...) Also I found the bar scene at the end a little awkward. It kind of implied that the Hobbits were just normal in the shire and not the heros that they became. In the book it was much more interesting how they saved the Shire by themselves. (Although my butt was pleading for the movie to end by the time gandalf got to Mt. Doom. :D)


I agree, the book ending was so much better and really portrayed the hero in the Hobbits much better. But it would have added at least 30-45 min to the movie and whoa! But they could have squeezed it in, and besides LotR was a long story...

MacNut
Mar 8, 2004, 10:26 PM
Somebody shoot me please, come on enough is enough. You people know the only reason this will get made is to make more money, just like Star Wars it will get old quick.

agreenster
Mar 9, 2004, 09:17 AM
I agree, the book ending was so much better and really portrayed the hero in the Hobbits much better. But it would have added at least 30-45 min to the movie and whoa! But they could have squeezed it in, and besides LotR was a long story...

I remember PJ saying he didnt like the scourge of the shire, and never even shot it and refused to ever produce it. He said he thought it didnt really fit. Dont forget, LOTR was written during WWI+II, and some thought this part was so political in nature and that it was just thrown in. Obviously, the rest of the book was very politcal in its themes of pollution, industry, etc etc, but those themes carried through. The Hobbitts "bad behavior" and ignorance to the happenings of the outside world wasnt something PJ thought fit in his epic.

And yeah, its probably a safe bet that most of their effects and animation work was done in Maya. Maybe some proprietary tools in the mix, and maybe Houdini...but primarily Maya.