Who will be updating to Snow Leopard? Why/why not?

[Xapphire13]

Just wondering who will be updating their Alu MacBooks, and who will be sticking with Leopard.

[the Western zoo]

I don't think I'll be buying Snow Leopard, but I do plan to buy a aluminium Macbook sometime later this year... So I'll get it then! :)

[Sky Blue]

I will. One word:

Entourage

[Xapphire13]

I ordered my first Mac on the 16th Dec and I am still waiting for it. Just don't know if the features are any better than what will come with the MacBook in the first place.

[JamesGorman]

ill upgrade..Snow leopard is focusing mainly on the underlying aspects of a new OS, and by that i mean making it run more efficiently without any major appearance differences. I also believe it will have a smaller footprint. so not only will we get more HD space, but well also get a system that runs more efficiently, ill be upgrading solely for those purposes.

[tubbymac]

Without actually seeing Snow Leopard I can only answer this with maybe. When Apple publicly releases it I'll have a better idea.

[smooth]

ill upgrade..Snow leopard is focusing mainly on the underlying aspects of a new OS, and by that i mean making it run more efficiently without any major appearance differences. I also believe it will have a smaller footprint. so not only will we get more HD space, but well also get a system that runs more efficiently, ill be upgrading solely for those purposes.

+1

It's been stated pretty clearly that we're not going to see all that many changes, but the system will just run better. So I'll definitely upgrade.

[Tallest Skil]

Can I talk about this in the context of other computers?

I'll be updating my Nehalem Mac Pro if it doesn't come with Snow Leopard, because...

Come ON. 8 physical cores, 16 logical cores... Snow Leopard will use ALL of them.

Oh, and the best GPUs that OS X has to offer... even if they ARE a series behind everyone else. That won't matter with Snow Leopard.

[danvan21]

Can I talk about this in the context of other computers?

I'll be updating my Nehalem Mac Pro if it doesn't come with Snow Leopard, because...

Come ON. 8 physical cores, 16 logical cores... Snow Leopard will use ALL of them.

Oh, and the best GPUs that OS X has to offer... even if they ARE a series behind everyone else. That won't matter with Snow Leopard.

word

[JML42691]

To be honest, I don't really see how you can ask this before we have heard of what the new features and spec requirements will be.

But I most likely will be, depending on when it is released and when I am planning on updating computers, if it is released within 5-6 months of when I'm planning on updating my computer, then I probably won't upgrade to SL.

[ayeying]

I would just because it's most likely gonna be faster then the current Leopard.

[GfulDedFan]

I'll most likely pre-order a family pack for my household just like I did for Leopard but I don't have an AlumiBook. We have my MB, 2 PB, 1 MBP, and a Mini.

[reebzor]

I installed panther the day it was released.
I installed tiger the day it was released.
I installed leopard the day it was released.
I will be installing snow leopard the day it is released.

[fuzzycuffs]

ill upgrade..Snow leopard is focusing mainly on the underlying aspects of a new OS, and by that i mean making it run more efficiently without any major appearance differences. I also believe it will have a smaller footprint. so not only will we get more HD space, but well also get a system that runs more efficiently, ill be upgrading solely for those purposes.

As far as the smaller footprint goes, I think that might be because it will be solely Intel after that (no more universal binaries). I'm guessing you could do the same with Xslimmer or whatever to get rid of PPC binaries if you don't need them.

(But this is just conjecture, it might actually have a "smaller footprint" disk wise, I dunno)

[nope7308]

Thanks to a friend, I can get a free copy of SL when it's released. I'm also going to buy an SSD the same day I install SL... that is going to be one HUGE performance increase :D

[Xapphire13]

Thanks to a friend, I can get a free copy of SL when it's released. I'm also going to buy an SSD the same day I install SL... that is going to be one HUGE performance increase :D

How will your friend get you it for 'free'??

[juanster]

depending how long it will take to get all the apps i have to be updated to SL, when iknwo for sure tehy will all work then i will do it that day

[Tallest Skil]

How will your friend get you it for 'free'??

How do you think?

[Xapphire13]

How do you think?

Torrents come to mind...

[Hawkeye411]

LOL .. funny thread :D

[EmperorDarius]

I'll just wait until some stabilizing update and general feedback about the initial versions, then install. Of course, after paying so much for a Macbook Pro, you can't expect me to pay for it too, can you?;):D

[Tallest Skil]

Torrents come to mind...

Bingo, scooter. :cool:

[Xapphire13]

Bingo, scooter. :cool:

As i dont own a Mac yet i have some questions, when installing OSX do you have to provide Serial Codes and activate it like on Windows?

[Sehnsucht]

Thanks to a friend, I can get a free copy of SL when it's released. I'm also going to buy an SSD the same day I install SL... that is going to be one HUGE performance increase :D

Personally, I'd rather obtain a copy of SL legitimately (i.e. by paying for it) ;) and steal the SSD instead. :D

[Xapphire13]

Personally, I'd rather obtain a copy of SL legitimately (i.e. by paying for it) ;) and steal the SSD instead. :D

Second that ;)

[Sigur]

If Snow Leopard will run on a 2006 MacBook CoreDuo 2,0 Ghz and a white iMac CoreDuo then I will update all five Macs :-D

[Tallest Skil]

As i dont own a Mac yet i have some questions, when installing OSX do you have to provide Serial Codes and activate it like on Windows?

No, but it's still illegal to install it on more machines that the license allows.

(Normal OS X=1 computer, Family Pack=5 computers in the same house)

And to the post above mine, don't get your hopes up that Snow Leopard will run on Core Duo machines.

[Sigur]

No, but it's still illegal to install it on more machines that the license allows.

(Normal OS X=1 computer, Family Pack=5 computers in the same house)

And to the post above mine, don't get your hopes up that Snow Leopard will run on Core Duo machines.

Do you actually get 5 CDs when you buy the Family Pack?

[Xapphire13]

No, but it's still illegal to install it on more machines that the license allows.

(Normal OS X=1 computer, Family Pack=5 computers in the same house)

And to the post above mine, don't get your hopes up that Snow Leopard will run on Core Duo machines.

Isn't that almost destined for Apple to be ripped off then? If they dont have a method of preventing multiple installations... :confused:

[Roy Hobbs]

Isn't that almost destined for Apple to be ripped off then? If they dont have a method of preventing multiple installations... :confused:

It's always been this way

[Xapphire13]

It's always been this way

Seems strange to me (Current Windows user), but I guess Apple make more than enough with hardware sales.

[nope7308]

Actually, the free copy of SL is coming from a friend (not a torrent). He is enrolled in an art and design school where Macs are mandatory. As a result, he pays a fee on his tuition to get free OS upgrades and system software.

Thanks to him, I already have the CS4 suite :D

[Tallest Skil]

Actually, the free copy of SL is coming from a friend (not a torrent). He is enrolled in an art and design school where Macs are mandatory. As a result, he pays a fee on his tuition to get free OS upgrades and system software.

Thanks to him, I already have the CS4 suite :D

That's illegal, you know.

[nope7308]

That's illegal, you know.

Am I supposed to care?

[Xapphire13]

Actually, the free copy of SL is coming from a friend (not a torrent). He is enrolled in an art and design school where Macs are mandatory. As a result, he pays a fee on his tuition to get free OS upgrades and system software.

Thanks to him, I already have the CS4 suite :D

Isn't that breaking licensing laws? You may as well be torrenting anyway...

[Tallest Skil]

Am I supposed to care?

If you're going to be a member of this community, you'll care.

[nope7308]

Isn't that breaking licensing laws? You may as well be torrenting anyway...

Actually, I think he was given a special license for CS4 so he could install it on multiple computers. It's some special student copy that has most of the apps. They said he could install it on his home computer as well. Personally, I prefer a legit copy over a torrent for simple peace of mind.

I have absolutely no guilt about using his copy of SL. Apple charges a high premium, I'm sure they can afford it. Additionally, I'm not sure if it's technically breaking the law. He won't be installing it on his computer and he did technically pay for it. I guess it would be considered a gift... and FYI, he is passing it on because he's buying a new Mac mid-2009, presumably with SL pre-installed.

[Tallest Skil]

Actually, I think he was given a special license for CS4 so he could install it on multiple computers. It's some special student copy that has most of the apps. They said he could install it on his home computer as well. Personally, I prefer a legit copy over a torrent for simple peace of mind.

I have absolutely no guilt about using his copy of SL. Apple charges a high premium, I'm sure they can afford it.

No such license exists.

Premium over... what? Ubuntu? There is NO cheaper alternative.

[nope7308]

No such license exists.

Premium over... what? Ubuntu? There is NO cheaper alternative.

Oh well, then I guess I did break the licensing agreement. When I said 'premium', I was referring to the general observation that Apple usually charges more than most other companies. I'm not talking just computers - peripherals, games, etc.

I know it's not right, I just don't care. I'll end this mini-thread now. Have a good one!

[Tallest Skil]

When I said 'premium', I was referring to the general observation that Apple usually charges more than most other companies. I'm not talking just computers - peripherals, games, etc.

Apple... doesn't sell games.

And this in no way has anything to do with the fact that OS X is around 60% cheaper than Vista Ultimate.

[nope7308]

Apple... doesn't sell games.

And this in no way has anything to do with the fact that OS X is around 60% cheaper than Vista Ultimate.

Yeah they do... through the online store.

Like I said, I'm not talking about any specific product, I'm talking about Apple's pricing in general. Sure, the OS is cheaper than Vista, but can you find that OS on similarly priced hardware? No. It's a simple fact that Apple charges more than other companies.

I really don't understand why this gets people's panties in a knot...

[Neil321]

And to the post above mine, don't get your hopes up that Snow Leopard will run on Core Duo machines.

I know its only rumors at the mo but can you point me to some reference on this please?, as I've read loads on the topic but it all goes round in circles with nothing concrete ( not that it would be ).Some yes their dropping 32bit some say no both 32bit & 64bit will be supported but dropping PPC, reason being i have a core Duo MBP that i keep as a spare but wouldn't mind getting a 5 user license and installing it on it when SL is released

[BornAgainMac]

I would update today if I could. I am ready to give them $199 for it too for the family pack.

[Tallest Skil]

I know its only rumors at the mo but can you point me to some reference on this please?, as I've read loads on the topic but it all goes round in circles with nothing concrete ( not that it would be ).Some yes their dropping 32bit some say no both 32bit & 64bit will be supported but dropping PPC, reason being i have a core Duo MBP that i keep as a spare but wouldn't mind getting a 5 user license and installing it on it when SL is released

Steve said that Snow Leopard would be the first fully 64-bit OS.

The betas we've seen are available for all Intel computers, but have to run some apps in "32-bit mode".

So I'm just assuming that they'll drop Core Duo support along with PowerPC support so as to make the OS be truly 64-bit.

[Neil321]

Steve said that Snow Leopard would be the first fully 64-bit OS.

The betas we've seen are available for all Intel computers, but have to run some apps in "32-bit mode".

So I'm just assuming that they'll drop Core Duo support along with PowerPC support so as to make the OS be truly 64-bit.

Ok thanks Skil, gotta hope your wrong though

[Sigur]

Steve said that Snow Leopard would be the first fully 64-bit OS.

The betas we've seen are available for all Intel computers, but have to run some apps in "32-bit mode".

So I'm just assuming that they'll drop Core Duo support along with PowerPC support so as to make the OS be truly 64-bit.

Thank you for the information!

Ok thanks Skil, gotta hope your wrong though

And I'm gonna hope the same.

[sk8mash]

By Core Duo do you mean Core 2 Duo as in what is currently shipping in iMacs and Macbooks etc?

[Tallest Skil]

By Core Duo do you mean Core 2 Duo as in what is currently shipping in iMacs and Macbooks etc?

By Core Duo I mean Core Duo. It came before Core 2 Duo.

2≠Duo.

Core Duos were 32-bit processors; Core 2 and the Nehalem line are 64-bit processors.

[sk8mash]

By Core Duo I mean Core Duo. It came before Core 2 Duo.

2≠Duo.

Core Duos were 32-bit processors; Core 2 and the Nehalem line are 64-bit processors.

Alright good, so my iMac is safe for now :)

[aaquib]

Do you actually get 5 CDs when you buy the Family Pack?

The family pack is the exact same as the standalone edition. The only difference is that Apple trusts that you'll buy the family pack if you install it on more than 1 Mac in your house.

[edgew8]

By Core Duo I mean Core Duo. It came before Core 2 Duo.

2≠Duo.

Core Duos were 32-bit processors; Core 2 and the Nehalem line are 64-bit processors.

Isn't the G5 a 64bit processor? why are we being excluded from the speed improvements and awesomeness!!!??

[Tallest Skil]

Isn't the G5 a 64bit processor? why are we being excluded from the speed improvements and awesomeness!!!??

Yes, it was. Because it's PowerPC.

[aaquib]

Isn't the G5 a 64bit processor? why are we being excluded from the speed improvements and awesomeness!!!??

There's a lot of code in the OS and all the apps that are required for PowerPC. Removing that code and making the OS intel only provides for a smoother experience with a smaller, overall footprint.

[synth3tik]

If it was not for the main work being done at the system level I wouldn't have bothered. Having a pure 64-bit OS with all Legacy code gone is going to be the best OS X update since Apple introduced Core Audio.

Although I must note that "Snow Leopard" is a really lame name coming on the heals of "(non snow) Leopard".

[Ploki]

core audio is awesome.

ill buy the bastard when its released. cant wait. if i cant max out CPU now how will i then?! :D

[juanster]

I also am looking forward to SL, one thing that's not really clear to me is...( I seriously know nothing about coding and os this so may come out really stupid, but my curiosity wins on this one so here we go) fromw hat i understand teh new os will also take advantage of the gpu, meaning some stuff that the cpu would normally do can also be done by the gpu? so it's close to having more cpu power? am I right? and if so.. will this be a whole os thing, any app can take advantage of this or only certain gpu heavy apps will be using this improvement?

[Buskape]

Maybe, maybe not, i don't know yet...

I will check the reviews first and see if Snow Leopard is usefull to me. What i will benefit from it and stuff, i'm not taking the risk to upgrade a 100% working machine for gaining 1 sec to open iphoto ;)

[bozz2006]

I'm gonna do it.

[MrChurchyard]

I can't wait for SL. I work for a company where almost all employees use Macs, but we also use MS Exchange and Entourage kills my usual Mail.app-based workflow.

[Roy Hobbs]

Alright good, so my iMac is safe for now :)

Did you really think Snow Leopard wouldn't be compatible with what Apple is shipping today?

[sk8mash]

Did you really think Snow Leopard wouldn't be compatible with what Apple is shipping today?

no.

[neiltc13]

Can we wait for the final feature list to actually be revealed before asking this question?

It's pretty obvious there will be a few totally new elements in there, because they couldn't possibly convince people to buy if it was just a "maintenance" release.

Also, why post this in the MacBook forum when it really has nothing to do with a particular model of computer?

[ELMI0001]

Steve said that Snow Leopard would be the first fully 64-bit OS.

The betas we've seen are available for all Intel computers, but have to run some apps in "32-bit mode".

So I'm just assuming that they'll drop Core Duo support along with PowerPC support so as to make the OS be truly 64-bit.

I agree with this belief. This also plays on the idea that the name is similar - the OS's will be similar but Snow Leopard will be an under the hood improvement for those with 64 bit Mac's while those without can still run a very similar OS.

[Santabean2000]

... Although I must note that "Snow Leopard" is a really lame name coming on the heals of "(non snow) Leopard".

But that was entirely the point, to show the connection:rolleyes:

No really any flash new features; much of the same, just better/faster/smaller! I'm hoping that it'll come at a lower price for that reason.;)

(Yes, I'm getting it. Why not?! :eek:)

[yousoldtheworld]

I will probably get it. I might wait a few weeks to see what issues pop up, and will then upgrade.

[kastenbrust]

100% speed increase on my Macbook Pro + Double graphics perfomace.

Bought.

[iTone]

I probably won't. I plan on getting a new MacBook early next year so hopefully it will be included by then.

[Chundles]

I'll update my MacBook because it's something new - give me something to do for a few hours.

Probably do a clean install too - made my iBook G4 so much faster when I put Leopard on it so I'm hoping it'll be the same on the MacBook.

[zorahk]

I will acquire it.

[falterego]

I'm running a beta of 10.6 on my first generation CD 2.0 GHz MacBook. No real improvements have come up for me, but I don't know how old the beta is. Under system profiler it lists the system version as Mac OS X 10.6 (10A96). I did notice a smaller footprint for the OS, but that's about it. Most third party programs crash frequently, and some don't even install. I'm going to chalk that up to an old beta on the oldest MacBook.

I'm going to backup and do a clean install of Leopard to get some of my old programs back, and put the 10.6 upgrade money into a fund to buy a new aluminum MacBook when they do the next round of processor upgrades, or a MacBook Pro depending on how much I get saved.

[NewMacbookPlz]

I'll more than likely upgrade. With my old iBook I held off one upgrading to Tiger, and it ended up being a pain in the ass later on with the laptop being stuck at 10.3.9.

Plus, the Grandcentral feature sounds pretty slick!

[ntrigue]

I appreciate finer engineering in all things.

Whether that means a Ducati 996 - a Belgium Ale - a piece of software.

[toonnyc]

I will just so I can get rid of Entourage. The MACBU should be ashamed that after five years (eons in computer time) they still can't produce a decent Exchange client. Anything that keeps them from getting any more of my money is a good thing.

[gotzaiPhone]

I think I will, just for something new.

[amrk47]

im going to wait till at least 10.6.2 before i upgrade

i remember when i upgraded right when leopard came out and how crappy it was

[drichards]

I was going to buy it just because one of my ex's has my Leopard disc...

[alphaod]

I have absolutely no guilt about using his copy of SL. Apple charges a high premium, I'm sure they can afford it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUgB0hNf0bs

Additionally, I'm not sure if it's technically breaking the law. He won't be installing it on his computer and he did technically pay for it. I guess it would be considered a gift... and FYI, he is passing it on because he's buying a new Mac mid-2009, presumably with SL pre-installed.

That violations the contracted agreement that prohibits giving/selling student versions to other people. That is legally enforceable.

[bozz2006]

I'd like to personally thank you, nope7308, for completely abusing Apple's education programs and ruining it for legit students, like myself.

[shiftmx05]

Just bought my first mac last year (alu macbook 2.0), but I think I will upgrade to SL just for the fact that it will be more stable. Don't really care for any more quirky features or a different look.

[iTeen]

If you're going to be a member of this community, you'll care.
And just who are you to say this? I sure as hell don't care.
Don't infer that we are all like you.

Anyway, I do plan to upgrade to SL, if I have the money.
I skipped Leopard and am getting really tired of Tiger. :rolleyes:

[vendettabass]

I'll be updating for the multi-core enhancements + to make use on my 9400 GPU :-)

Cocoa Finder will be awesome, as will be the smaller footprint. Waiting for more details on Quicktime X!

[Tallest Skil]

And just who are you to say this? I sure as hell don't care.
Don't infer that we are all like you.

Don't infer that we're all supposed to follow the rules of the forum?

[Mikey B]

Steve said that Snow Leopard would be the first fully 64-bit OS.

The betas we've seen are available for all Intel computers, but have to run some apps in "32-bit mode".

So I'm just assuming that they'll drop Core Duo support along with PowerPC support so as to make the OS be truly 64-bit.

I don't see Apple coming out with a major OS upgrade that leaves 3 year old machines out in the cold.

I'm definitely going to upgrade... I'm salivating at the possibilities SL will bring. I think it has the potential to be an all time high of OS X revs.

[mac jones]

Ill be upgrading because I imagine it's better.

At least I hope it is. :D

[numbersyx]

I'm hoping to buy it newly installed on my newly acquired newly released Mac Pro .... sometime this year I hope...

[MacBook - 13]

I think the performance of my MacBook 2.4Ghz aluminium is great, but if Snow Leopard will improve it even further - I'm all in :cool:

[bbaham]

I plan to do a clean install of SL on a new 500gb hard drive. This will give me plenty of room for Ubuntu 8.10 (maybe 9.04) as well as Windows 7....