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mashinhead
Jan 19, 2009, 12:27 PM
I was wonder if anyone thought there would be a chance of an iPod classic with a larger vertical screen and accelerometer, that would allow you to turn the ipod horizontally and view videos.

to accomplish this they would have to probably have to make the click wheel smaller or make the ipod bigger, or both, but if they did the later they would probably have more space to put a larger battery too.

I don't think i would get a classic as it is now, because i could never watch videos on a screen that small. Personal opinion, i realize there is a need for people who want an external or all there media with them. i just seems like that feature of video watching is really removed by the current design. I would love to see a classic like this.



Tallest Skil
Jan 19, 2009, 12:35 PM
The classic is dead. This design will be the last we see, ever. It will be killed when the iPod touch has 128GB of storage. Nothing new will come on the classic front.

mashinhead
Jan 19, 2009, 01:00 PM
It will be killed when the iPod touch has 128GB of storage.

true but that will take two years. i'm pretty sure they will do something different to it before then.

J the Ninja
Jan 19, 2009, 01:34 PM
true but that will take two years. i'm pretty sure they will do something different to it before then.

160GB HDD

Tallest Skil
Jan 19, 2009, 01:35 PM
160GB HDD

Already been done. They dropped it because no one cared. :p

Michael CM1
Jan 19, 2009, 02:45 PM
The classic is dead. This design will be the last we see, ever. It will be killed when the iPod touch has 128GB of storage. Nothing new will come on the classic front.

I would agree when that 128GB design doesn't cost a bazillion dollars. The 32GB version costs $400 now. If a 64GB design was released tomorrow, it would probably cost $400. The iPod classic costs $250. People who just want a massive amount of storage will still want that classic.

I don't think anything majorly new will be done with the classic. But I think it'll be late 2010 before it dies. Who knows how long it'll take the memory folks to make a 128GB NAND chip.

queshy
Jan 19, 2009, 02:58 PM
I don't think iPod classic is dead. Not everyone wants a touch screen. I think the next classic upgrade will have the accelerometer with 160 gb standard (same thickness).

JonHimself
Jan 19, 2009, 03:10 PM
Already been done. They dropped it because no one cared. :p

Perhaps you're being sarcastic and I'm missing it, but I thought the reason they dropped it to 120 was because of the size of the hard drives and number of platters they could get in one drive. I don't know the technical terms or if I'm using properly, but they were able to keep the 120gb the same size as the 80gb. I figure once they're able to get 160gb in the same size they'll just introduce that and keep upgrading the storage amount until flash because an affordable option.
It's not necessarily fair to compare the price with the iPod touch because there are a number of different options. I wonder what the iPod classic would cost if they just changed from hdd to ssd.

H$R
Jan 19, 2009, 03:26 PM
Perhaps you're being sarcastic and I'm missing it, but I thought the reason they dropped it to 120 was because of the size of the hard drives and number of platters they could get in one drive. I don't know the technical terms or if I'm using properly, but they were able to keep the 120gb the same size as the 80gb. I figure once they're able to get 160gb in the same size they'll just introduce that and keep upgrading the storage amount until flash because an affordable option.
It's not necessarily fair to compare the price with the iPod touch because there are a number of different options. I wonder what the iPod classic would cost if they just changed from hdd to ssd.


No. What he meant was what he said: Already been done.

For some time there was a 160 model next to the 80 gig model. It was slightly bigger but you don't care about 2 or 3 mm if it gives you double the storage.
But it got discontinued for reasons I don't know.

Michael CM1
Jan 19, 2009, 04:33 PM
I don't think iPod classic is dead. Not everyone wants a touch screen. I think the next classic upgrade will have the accelerometer with 160 gb standard (same thickness).

Not everyone wants a glossy screen, but I don't think that stopped Apple.

Here's why eventually the classic will die: App Store. Apple will want EVERY iPod owner possible to have access to that so Apple can make more money. I would also assume most people who don't want a touch screen haven't used one much. You can do all of the simple things that the click wheel allows while having a lot more functionality and more screen space.

H$R
Jan 20, 2009, 04:41 AM
Not everyone wants a glossy screen, but I don't think that stopped Apple.

Here's why eventually the classic will die: App Store. Apple will want EVERY iPod owner possible to have access to that so Apple can make more money. I would also assume most people who don't want a touch screen haven't used one much. You can do all of the simple things that the click wheel allows while having a lot more functionality and more screen space.

And what about the nano?
It doesn't have access to the appstore and with this form factor it doesn't make any sence.

But the Nano is just perfect like it is. (I'am not a fan of the 3rd generation, but the other 3 are perfect). First I only used it for sports because it's so small, shockproof and has the click wheel (there's was once a big discussion about the future of the clickwheel in another thread). The clickwheel is very useful if you don't want to look onto the screen.
But then it started to get my primary iPod.

And you can use the clickwheel with (normal) gloves on. That is important for me and others because I am also using it in colder climates.

queshy
Jan 20, 2009, 06:00 PM
@Michael CM1

The shuffle won't ever have access to the app store. True, not everyone wants a glossy screen. But I'll play the same card...try going to the gym and changing the track on an iPod touch. It's not easy (or safe!)

reubs
Jan 20, 2009, 11:15 PM
I really hope the click wheel doesn't go too far away. I love my touch for surfing and keeping appointments and such, but my 5G is so much more familiar for operating simply for music. I see a clickwheel Nano outlasting the classic form factor, but I hope there not an exclusive touch interface.

Michael CM1
Jan 21, 2009, 01:23 AM
@Michael CM1

The shuffle won't ever have access to the app store. True, not everyone wants a glossy screen. But I'll play the same card...try going to the gym and changing the track on an iPod touch. It's not easy (or safe!)

I exempt the shuffle from anything I ever mention about iPods because it is its own little monster. It was made to just play songs and be cheap, and it does both quite well.

As far as the nano, I think Apple sees it as just a music/video player and it would be kind of impossible to develop a touch screen device that small without being awkward. The classic a a good bit bigger, and it really hasn't gotten much engineering attention since the 5th generation that gave it video. The only advantage it really has is cost per GB and size of storage, both of which relate to it being the only disk-based iPod.

As far as using an iPod touch at a gym, if it comes with the headphones that my iPhone came with, you just use the clicker on the headset.

H$R
Jan 21, 2009, 05:03 AM
As far as using an iPod touch at a gym, if it comes with the headphones that my iPhone came with, you just use the clicker on the headset.

There are people (including me, otherwise I wouldn't mention it) who prefer other headphones than the Apple ones. And the clicker doesn't do everything.

I think the iPod range is good how it is. Sure the iPod Classic hasn't had many improvements but if you already have a pretty good product there's not much room for improvements.
Many other comanies still don't use touch in their devices.
And the selling point for the Classic is the big amount of space.

Years ago I wanted to have something like the current iPod Touch but with 120 GB. But as it's getting more possible every year, I am more and more unsure if I really want it anymore now after playing around with touch devices.

They go a good route with including side buttons to turn up/down the volume. But there is need for some more buttons. But I think Apple will never do that because they don't like to many buttons on their devices. Again, the Apple headset is a nice solution, but not the one I and many want.


Isn't the iPod Nano the most successfull iPod in the line?


Michael CM1 you might read a bit through this thread if you're interested in more arguments for and against touchscreens/click wheel: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=533968

I hope I could show you a few arguments to rethink.

atoothelex
Jan 21, 2009, 06:03 AM
For some time there was a 160 model next to the 80 gig model. It was slightly bigger but you don't care about 2 or 3 mm if it gives you double the storage.
But it got discontinued for reasons I don't know.
Yeah, the reason the 160GB iPod was dropped was because "people don't want fat iPods." Jobs himself says something to that effect in the Keynote back in September. That just pissed me off. I don't even care if there is .03 of an inch more if it gives me so much space!!!! Will Apple ever come to its senses and put the 1.8" 250GB HDD from Toshiba into the old 160GB shell?? How hard would that be???

ChrisA
Jan 21, 2009, 11:19 AM
I was wonder if anyone thought there would be a chance of an iPod classic with a larger vertical screen and accelerometer, that would allow you to turn the ipod horizontally and view videos.

I'd say 100% yes, for sure but it will not be called a "classic". Some day when flash ram gets way cheap we will see a "terrabyte touch" that can hold your entire iTunes library.