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MacBytes
Jan 20, 2009, 08:30 AM
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Link: The Wii is the gaming system Apple would’ve, should’ve created (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20090120093005)
Description:: Now that Apple has Apple is trademarking “OS X” (without the word “Mac”) there’s talk that Apple may be building a gaming console. That's unlikely to happen. Besides, with its Wii system, Nintendo has build a gaming console that could’ve been created by Apple itself.

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Shasterball
Jan 20, 2009, 08:41 AM
Ridiculous story without basis for thought that "Nintendo has buil[t] a gaming console that could’ve been created by Apple itself."

Yvan256
Jan 20, 2009, 08:55 AM
There is a similar point between the two companies, however. They both make their own hardware to run their own software.

alexbates
Jan 20, 2009, 09:08 AM
"Now that Apple has Apple is trademarking “OS X” (without the word “Mac”) there’s talk that Apple may be building a gaming console." -from the article above

This could just mean that Apple is trying to make the iPhone OS also a part of OS X.

A gaming console in the future could be possible though. I am thinking that Apple will create an application store that is separate for the Apple TV. I don't think the same iPhone App Store will be used because the resolution would be bad on an LCD. So developers might have games for the Mac, iPhone and iPod Touch, and Apple TV.

Another possibility is to require developers that want games on an Apple TV to have higher quality (720p or better) games in the App Store. On an iPhone, the game would just seem like normal like when you put an HD movie on an iPhone.

I sure hope that the Apple TV is the next big gaming system. I bet it wont happen for a long time though.

zombitronic
Jan 20, 2009, 09:12 AM
What?? Nowhere in this article does it state that Apple would've, should've created the Wii, other than the title. Let me summarize this:

I like my Wii and so do 10 million other people. Apple tried making a game system once. It didn't do very well. Maybe they'll try again, but probably not, unless it's really cool, then maybe.

It should also be noted that Nintendo is a 120 year old company. They didn't become as influential as they currently are until about 100 years into their history. Look forward to that next industry changing device from Apple during the 2070s.

/sarcasm

shamino
Jan 20, 2009, 10:13 AM
This could just mean that Apple is trying to make the iPhone OS also a part of OS X.
Which it is. According to reports from developers, programming the iPhone is almost identical to programming a Mac. Some frameworks and standard apps (like the Finder) are missing, and some other frameworks have been added, but it is, for all intents and purposes, the same operating system.

Ditto for AppleTV - also runs a build of OS X. Missing some Mac-specific components and adding some AppleTV-specific components, but the same OS.

It makes sense to me for them to trademark "OS X" to refer to the system software that runs in all these products, with "Mac OS X" being the variant that runs on the Macintosh platform.
It should also be noted that Nintendo is a 120 year old company. They didn't become as influential as they currently are until about 100 years into their history. Look forward to that next industry changing device from Apple during the 2070s.
They've been in gaming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nintendo#Electronic_games) for more than 20 years. They started in 1975, distributing the Magnavox Odyssey in Japan. They shipped their first arcade machine in 1978. They shipped Donkey Kong (the game that made them famous) in 1981. So they've been involved in gaming for 28, 31 or 34 years, depending on where you want to start counting.

Even if you want to start counting from when they started shipping game consoles, you're still looking at 24 or 26 years (the Famicom shipped in Japan in 1983; the NES shipped worldwide in 1985.)

Tallest Skil
Jan 20, 2009, 10:18 AM
They've been in gaming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Nintendo#Electronic_games) for more than 20 years.

How is a card game not gaming? They've made games since 1881. They've made electronic games since 1975...

I like putting my Will next to our family's white Core 2 iMac and seeing an identical look between the cases and bases. :D

ryanchandl
Jan 20, 2009, 10:43 AM
if steve jobs still alive, nothing is impossible.

dejo
Jan 20, 2009, 10:54 AM
This could just mean that Apple is trying to make the iPhone OS also a part of OS X.
It already is. Has been since the beginning.

http://web.archive.org/web/20071006005308/http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/index.html#macosx

armoguy94
Jan 20, 2009, 12:23 PM
That's dumb. The Wii is a total gimmick and kids grow out of it after age 11-12. Total waste of money and even more of a reason for people to hate on Apple if they were the creators of the Wii.

Tallest Skil
Jan 20, 2009, 12:24 PM
if steve jobs still alive, nothing is impossible.

xMac. He'll never make one.

That's dumb. The Wii is a total gimmick and kids grow out of it after age 11-12. Total waste of money and even more of a reason for people to hate on Apple if they were the creators of the Wii.

Uh... huh...

They said that about the computer mouse, too, you know.

zombitronic
Jan 20, 2009, 12:41 PM
That's dumb. The Wii is a total gimmick and kids grow out of it after age 11-12.

34.55 million people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Video_game_consoles) disagree with you.

Kilamite
Jan 20, 2009, 01:08 PM
Because it's white?

Yvan256
Jan 20, 2009, 01:08 PM
I also disagree with armoguy94. Playing Metroid Prime 3 with the Wiimote and nunchuck is enjoyable, as opposed to playing such games with two crummy over-sensitive analog sticks tacked onto a gamepad with 8-10 buttons.

Kilamite
Jan 20, 2009, 01:09 PM
That's dumb. The Wii is a total gimmick and kids grow out of it after age 11-12. Total waste of money and even more of a reason for people to hate on Apple if they were the creators of the Wii.

Is that because you're 13 now and bored of the Wii? :rolleyes:

armoguy94
Jan 20, 2009, 01:09 PM
34.55 million people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles#Video_game_consoles) disagree with you.There are about 34.55 million Nintendo fanboys and children who have purchased Wiis

@Kilamite, yes that is the exact reason, way to go (sarcasm)

zombitronic
Jan 20, 2009, 02:55 PM
There are about 34.55 million Nintendo fanboys and children who have purchased Wiis

@Kilamite, yes that is the exact reason, way to go (sarcasm)

Classic. When you can't back up your argument, just drop the "f" bomb.

Scarlet Fever
Jan 20, 2009, 04:57 PM
There are about 34.55 million Nintendo fanboys and children who have purchased Wiis

Is there anyone who is not a fanboy these days? :rolleyes:

It's probably not the best source, but VGChartz.com claim that Nintendo shift almost as many units of the Wii as Microsoft (xbox 360) and Sony (PS3) do combined. The DS outsells the PSP more than 2:1.

Hows this for figures; There have been around 15 million Wii consoles sold in America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#System_sales). There are about 300 million people living in america. That means about 1 in every 20 people in America own a Nintendo Wii.

armoguy94
Jan 20, 2009, 05:02 PM
Classic. When you can't back up your argument, just drop the "f" bomb.haha yup. but that's just my opinion that it really is a gimmick. you pay $250 for a system that can't play DVDs without using some sort of hack, poor graphics, doesn't have iPod support which I believe the PS3 and xbox can play your iPod while you're in games, for motion sensors that are not even used so much in games to the extent that it gets you "fit" or it's "healthy" for you as Nintendo claims, and more.. I also highly doubt Wii Fit will actually get you fit and healthy to any noticeable extent, the only good thing I see about the Wii is the classic games from the wii shop, and mario games really

TwinCities Dan
Jan 20, 2009, 05:05 PM
haha yup. but that's just my opinion, it really is a gimmick. you pay $250 for motion sensors that are not even used so much in games to the extent that it gets you "fit" or it's "healthy" for you as Nintendo claims. And I highly doubt Wii Fit will actually get you fit and healthy to any noticeable extent, the only good thing I see about the Wii is the classic games from the wii shop, and mario games really


:rolleyes: You don't like it, so what?

Move along....

armoguy94
Jan 20, 2009, 05:09 PM
:rolleyes: You don't like it, so what?

Move along....I stated my opinion and people start to defend Nintendo, lol. To restate the whole purpose of me bringing this up I think it's a very good thing that Apple didn't create the Wii, as there would be even more Apple haters and yet again it would be another overpriced product they'd be selling if it was for $250

Belly-laughs
Jan 20, 2009, 07:25 PM
I sort of agree. Incidentally I tried the Wii for the first time today (45 mins with projector), and I was wondering how on earth people can compare it [the software] to Apple. And the remotes are hardly sophisticated, although a very good idea. Not arguing people shouldn´t like it, I just don´t see the parallels people draw to Apple.

apsterling
Jan 20, 2009, 07:56 PM
I stated my opinion and people start to defend Nintendo, lol. To restate the whole purpose of me bringing this up I think it's a very good thing that Apple didn't create the Wii, as there would be even more Apple haters and yet again it would be another overpriced product they'd be selling if it was for $250

The Forum Boards Guide to "How To Get Shows You're Incorrect"

Steps:
- State your opinion
- List invalid reasons to back up your opinion
- Get showed the invalid reasons
- List more
- Pull the 'f' bomb
- Claim the defense of Nintendo as a reason the Wii shouldn't have been made by Apple.

The Wii would have been a rather solid product from Apple, however the interface would need to be less of a toy, and more of a workforce to really seem like an Apple device.

The price of the Wii really isn't that much over a good level, considering the PS3 still starts at higher than $300.

DMann
Jan 20, 2009, 10:46 PM
There have been around 15 million Wii consoles sold in America (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#System_sales). There are about 300 million people living in america. That means about 1 in every 20 people in America own a Nintendo Wii.

This is impressive. The same could likely be said for the iPhone.

TwinCities Dan
Jan 21, 2009, 12:09 AM
Imagine all the "I threw my iPhone through my bigscreen TV" complaints... ;) :p

zombitronic
Jan 21, 2009, 08:54 AM
I sort of agree. Incidentally I tried the Wii for the first time today (45 mins with projector), and I was wondering how on earth people can compare it [the software] to Apple. And the remotes are hardly sophisticated, although a very good idea. Not arguing people shouldn´t like it, I just don´t see the parallels people draw to Apple.

The Wii's menu is organized as a grid of "screens" with everything available at first glance, unless you've filled up the first page. In that case, you slide over to the next page. Any channel is available with a simple pointing of the remote.

The iPhone's menu, in comparison, is organized as a grid of icons with everything available at first glance, unless you've filled up the first page. In that case, you slide over to the next page, as well. Any program is available with a simple touch of a finger.

The Wii's remote is much more sensitive than most games take advantage of. Try WarioWare: Smooth Moves. This is one of the few games that takes advantage of the built in accelerometer and the sensor at the same time. Or try Super Mario Galaxy. It's one of the only platform games for the system that has been made to feel that it was developed specifically for the Wii.

One of the biggest failures of the Wii, in my opinion, are the third party games. There are more bad games than good games. I've played very few great games for this system that haven't been developed by Nintendo, other than Guitar Hero or Lego: Star Wars. The "gimmick" of the system comes from these third party games that just don't get it. These are the developers that make you shake the controller to jump (TMNT) or make you turn in a FPS by aiming the remote at the edges of the screen (Red Steel). Most games developed by Nintendo, on the other hand, have been done beautifully and have seamless controls.

In the same sense, the iPhone has a lot of crap software. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of great programs out there by third party developers and I don't mean to discredit those apps. Out of the thousands of apps, however, many are "gimmicky" apps that don't take full advantage of the hardware or useless apps that lack in terms of software.

roach
Jan 21, 2009, 10:36 AM
Wii does have impresive numbers. I got one and a lot of my friends also got one, but I must say its been collecting dust. I buy mostly 360 games and the only time take out the Wii is if the family (with younger kids) are over for a party...same goes with my friends. Wii still gets good game sale number because number of Wii sold out weighs those Wii that are hardly used. Though, 360 have better game sale power ratio than Wii.

james-thescalie
Jan 23, 2009, 07:51 PM
Unlucky (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WrrvkPo7TZ4)

j26
Jan 23, 2009, 08:08 PM
Unlucky (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WrrvkPo7TZ4)

Seen that before - love the way he taps the top of the screen to fix it :D